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"You see, you thought you found an omission. But what you didn't realize was you revealed just how dumb you are. You didn't get the bigger point that LL was the teacher all along. It's right there for you. It's right there. How did you miss it? Hope no one else missed it. Dr. Guts 1003 writes, presumably Val Kilmer had set up the island to have all sorts of clues to help the team profile and capture his imaginary puppeteer killer. So how come outside of the initial mannequin corpse crime scene, they never come across anything else that is connected to the simulated crime? That's a great question. I would imagine it's because they are running for their lives. I mean, they are full on in panic mode. It would have been great if they found a clue and then realized it was just a decoy clue. I would have liked that as a twist. But I don't think this movie was smart enough to handle anything that complex. I think the minute a real serial killer is on the island, everything is out the window and we're off to the races. You would have thought that maybe Val Kilmer would have had a couple other people with them, maybe hide now on that. Nope, nope, nope. I mean, honestly, the mine hunters should have killed some more innocent people as what I'm saying. Dr. Guts also writes that I thought it was worth mentioning that running Harlan dropped out of directing another How Did This Get Made Classic, a sound of thunder to film mine hunters instead. Ooh, interesting. If you don't remember a sound of thunder, I believe that that is the time travel movie where someone steps on a butterfly and then like they're running from dinosaurs. Where are they running from dinosaurs? They're dinosaurs and there's butterflies. I know that. I know that someone steps on a butterfly, but it's not the butterfly effect with my man, the Kutch. Um, Arkham player writes, I'm not exactly in shape, but as a wheelchair user, I question Vint's ability to hold himself up on the pipes for so long. Upper body strength and wheelchair users is kind of a myth unless you're training for like the Paralympics or a marathon. Wheelchairs are meant to make moving easier and not meant to be a device in which people improve their upper body strength. Now, I'm not saying I'm willing to test this out on myth busters anytime soon, but the tires on a wheelchair are made of rubber, so Vint's would have been grounded protecting them for getting shocked by electricity. Wow, Arkham player, first of all, thank you for giving us a really solid fact check. Yeah, I would imagine that the wheelchair for him is probably the safest place. Uh, maybe I can't quite figure out the logic here either, except for the fact that they just wanted him to hang from pipes and that pipe scene was so exciting, I guess. All right, please do not test this theory out. Uh, Arkham player already has told me he won't, but I don't want anyone else to try to electrocute themselves in a wheelchair. We will let the professionals deal with that. All right, let's go to the phones with Jay from Ohio. Hey, Paul June and Jason, just a note on mine, hunters, you all remarked at the beginning about the scenario of Alcumae put them in when he was more of a tactical exercise versus the profiling one. Uh, this is true. FBI profiler training is more psychological and the rating part of kitchen killers would probably fall more to a dedicated FBI tactical unit or even a local law enforcement swatheem. That said, uh, profilers are typically, uh, still special agents or criminal investigators who have resting powers in our armed, uh, depending on the nature of a warranted search. They may actually be the one that doing knocking on the door as well. They also do train them certain scenarios like, like this, where force may be required. Uh, they use simulated firearms that shoot chalk-like projectiles, which I can say hurt like hell. I've actually assisted on some of these posing as anything from an aggressive protester to a convenience screwdriver. Um, it's, it's actually kind of fun. Uh, that said, none of the training I've observed or taken part in was as elaborate as they said. And it seems like some fraud waste and abuse investigations are required on the part of Alcomer's character. So keep up the great work. Uh, PS Paul, my wife and I both love your books. Thanks. Bye. Oh, man, Jay, thank you so much for reading my book. Um, also, whoa, these chalk pellets, are you shooting them or are you getting shot with them? Either way, I guess what you're saying is this movie not really based in reality. Well, I was on your side. And then I got this phone call from my friend, Stoddard. Stoddard, take it away. Hello, Paul. This is about my hunters and where to begin so many things to talk about. But there's one that I think I have a specific insight into in the military. I was on a swat team and I was a detective. And when I went to the detective academy, they actually had a place called scenario bill that was abandoned military housing. And in those houses, they would set up crime scenes with dummies and fake blood. Sometimes with real blood, if they want you to test, you know, use one of the kits to detect blood, broken windows, weapons or items laying around. So that way you would be able to go in and actually sketch your crime scene and make your measurements. And then take all your photographs and collect the crime scene evidence correctly. That way you would be trained and you would be tested in the same area. And although it wasn't as elaborate as what is in the film, certainly. It was kind of crazy watching it and going, it's not that far off. It's just cranked up to 11 is what they did in the film. And it just turned it up to 11. You know, it was pretty crazy when I was doing it. I remember thinking this is kind of bizarre. But they've just made an entire crime scene and then you've got instructors to kind of stand around watching you or they'd be watching you on a camera like in the movie. So yeah, there you go. A little insight information. Love the show. Take care. Scenario bill. I love it. I love it. But it wasn't that. Like it seems like what you're doing there is like crime scene. Like evidence collecting that. That feels normal to me. I don't think that they create full on like like hunting. Like they weren't sending you out to knock on doors. Were they? Maybe they were. I don't know. I like scenario bill. Is it like Lars van Trier's dogville? No. All right. This makes sense. The movie obviously based in reality. But guess what else? It's based in. Played tourism. Check it out. All when from London coming in hot. Take it away. Hi there. I was not familiar with Mindhunter's before the most recent episode. But what's familiar with was Agi de Christi's book and then there were none. And the more I listened to the sweet episode, the more familiar some of the plot of elements of Mindhunter became. There are both about exclusive people trapped in the island being picked off one by one by the killer who is someone among them. And as it was just that, I probably wouldn't have thought about it. But it clicked for me when you mentioned on the pod the way each person is killed in the movie plays on their vice. And in the Agi de Christi, each person is being killed with punishment for something terrible they've done. There's also elements of each of the death being foreshadowed ominously. It happened in 900 times like it's the clock in Christi's with an eerie poem that the book takes the title from. There's also the tension of the group turning on each other's more people are eliminated and sufficient to grow. And very specifically in both is a message projected over audio designed to scare people. And then finally at the risk of spoiling the book, there's the plotters of the killer being someone who fakes their own death, but halfway through the killings only to return alive at the end. So it seems beyond the realm of coincidence at this point, I'm probably to find more if I watch the movie. And I have to wonder if 900 is actually just a way worse ripoff of Agi de Christi's. And then there would not be love to hear your thoughts. All when you are 100% right, this is a direct ripoff of, and then there were none and great job putting together those context. Because I've seen that. I didn't even put that together. I'm seeing it. Well, yeah, I've seen it. I didn't read it. And I'm not going to lie about that. I've seen the movie. And you're completely right. So many websites call this out. I don't know how they got away with not, saying it was based on that story, but I guess they added enough stuff to it that just kind of pushed that out of sight. I mean enough serial killer tropes. And that's kind of what they're saying is that they overlaid a lot of 90s stuff on top of Agi de Christi. So all one way to go for being well read and getting it just from a few context clues. Next up and finally, Liz from Wisconsin. Hi Paul, Jim and Jason. I just listened to the Mind Hunter episode. And I was listening to talk about the liquid nitrogen attack. I am a physics teacher and I, in college, we did experiments with liquid nitrogen. And I just thought I'd share a little bit about my experience there. Because your instincts that it shouldn't do what it did in the movie are absolutely correct. It shouldn't have done really anything at all. It would evaporate really quickly. We used to have a, you know, a doer, like a cylinder, a full-eliquid nitrogen, to use for experiments. And people would kind of dare each other to stick their hands in it. And like you shouldn't do that. And it was important to, you know, take off any rings or metal jewelry or wearing."
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