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Welcome to the Ringer NFL Show. I'm your host, Shiel Kapadia.

Super Bowl 60 in the books the Seattle Seahawks are Super Bowl champions.

We'll talk about it all.

Was it a good game? Are they a worthy champ? Are the patriots frauds?

And then we go in a bunch of different directions as always.

So we got Billy Gill, Deontay Lee joining me. Let's take a break. We'll come back. We'll talk Super Bowl.

All right. We are back on the Ringer NFL Show, Shiel Kapadia here with my friends, Deontay Lee.

And Billy Gill, the Seattle Seahawks are Super Bowl champions, 29-13.

I think the weirdest thing for me, guys, is that kind of what everybody expected to happen or what it felt like everybody expected to happen is what actually happened.

I'm not saying nobody picked the Patriots, but we were all in San Francisco and you're talking to a lot of people.

And my friends were sending me, hey, everybody on the Ringer picked the Seahawks. It's like, oh, you know, I started thinking before the game.

This is going to go poorly, but in the end, Deontay was just like the beat down from the Seahawks.

Like many of their games have been dominant defensive performance offense doing enough.

That's just kind of how the game played out.

I agree. And I think it comes back to a lot of conversations that we've had on the show all year, right?

Is that the teams who have had the advantage in the trenches.

Ultimately, have been the ones that have moved along in this process. New England was a outlier to that.

They had kind of been skating by in the playoffs with some poor offensive performances.

Our offensive line really struggling and them having turnover issues.

And they happen to run into the one team that was not going to give the ball right back to them, right?

And ultimately, I think that the story of this game, while I think that Seattle was able to move the ball pretty effectively,

just not punching it in into the end zone.

I think ultimately what we're going to remember is a dominant defensive performance, especially up front.

Are you going to remember anything from this game, Billy?

Was this a good Super Bowl?

Was this like, you know, this is one of those for like five years from now.

So I'm going to be like, hey, Billy, do you remember who won the Super Bowl after the 2025 season?

And you'll be like, no, I have no idea what happened in that game.

So we were talking before the week about whether or not like this was a Super Bowl that didn't have a lot of excitement.

We had it into it, right?

And through three quarters, it kind of was like that Jack who, you know, worked for us here.

Came up and he said, this Super Bowl is actually living up to the expectations we had for it,

which wasn't like a good thing at that point.

And it would be kind of exciting, right?

There were a couple of touchdowns in the fourth quarter, but I don't know.

I mean, if you'll have defense, you could have loved this game, right?

But it was a boring little bit.

It was, yeah, it was a little bit more.

I mean, I'm a defensive guy.

I was born.

I mean, the Seahawks defense was incredible.

It doesn't mean that they weren't dominant.

They weren't incredible.

They were, but from an entertainment value.

Yeah, this isn't one that we'll be talking about years from now.

Like, Ravel, is this supposed to be the stuff guy?

Like, why was it not more aggressive coming out of halftime?

I mean, down 12, nothing.

They had a, but it was like fourth and three, fourth and one, fourth and three.

And they never went for it.

They didn't do anything that signified, like, hey, it's going to be hard today.

We need to have a wrinkle.

Wasn't a trick play all game long, right?

I kept calling it to Deontan was wrong every about seven times.

Like, this is the possession.

You know, they're going to do a double pass.

They didn't do anything.

Fourth and one, they punted.

Yeah, they kind of early on, I understood it because he was like, all right.

We're stealing each other out.

You know, we're not going to make the big mistake earlier.

Put that, that gets us down.

But then in the second half, it's like, dude, there's like seven minutes left in the third quarter.

You're going to have to score at some point.

Yeah.

Ravel, yeah, for all the game management, love he got.

And I don't know that there's anything he could have done for them to actually win the game.

But if I'm a Patriots fan, I would have been like, it would have been nice to try some more stuff in this game.

Right. That doesn't mean you have to go full bin Johnson.

And like, every fourth down we get in the first half, we're going to go for it.

But it was pretty clear, I think, after the first quarter, that it was going to take a different level of urgency.

If they wanted to change the flow of the game, all those fourth downs that Billy mentioned all around midfield

are in plus territory, where it would have been justifiable, even if you had failed to at least take the shot.

Especially once you're chasing 12, right?

Because now it's a two possession game.

You're going to have to chase points one way or the other.

But they kept playing as though the expectation was that they were going to outlast.

This Darnell turnovers coming.

That's how they played the game.

That's how they played the game.

Yeah.

And it's not a strategy, right?

Hope is not a strategy.

Not in the Super Bowl.

It just seemed like the Patriots just kept hoping that this game would play out the way the rest of the postseason have played out for them.

That if we just sit back long enough, no matter what's going on with our offense, we'll force the turnover, we'll get the field position where we wanted to.

And truthfully, I mean, they did have Seattle backed up for a good chunk of the game, which is really where the game started to lose its juice.

Because they were always inside.

They're on 25s, they're on 30 and couldn't get much going.

But I think that them waiting and waiting and waiting for Sam Darnell to ultimately hand them a win.

It proves to be a mistake.

And I think that what we really got out of this is that what we had seen for the first few weeks of this playoff run was true.

That Sam had done a much better job.

I think of avoiding turnovers.

Now there were some risky throws, especially early in this one.

But I think that after kind of those jitters in the first quarter war off, they really were able to handle business.

And I think that Clint Cooby, I did a good job of managing his quarterback throughout.

I don't think they had a turnover in the playoffs.

I think I read right.

That's kind of crazy.

It felt, yeah, you're right.

It felt early on.

I was like, ooh, Sam's kind of feeling himself here.

And the Patriots were just jumping every round.

I'm like, it was an interception coming.

It never came in Sam Darnell now, Billy, just like a one-of-one career.

I mean, it's crazy.

I mean, the quarterbacks were drafted in his draft class.

And he beat all of them to not only get to a suitable win.

It's insanity.

Like this guy, you were saying it during the game.

Has there been anyone that's had a bad career for that long?

No.

And then he goes on and wins his Super Bowl.

I don't think so.

I can't think of one.

I mean, normally, like, he had like a five-year sample.

You know, sometimes a guy gets one year or two years and then they get yanked.

And you're like, well, give him another chance later.

He had like a five-year sample that just statistically was one of the worst you would find

from a starting quarterback.

And so I look at that and I go, well, I'm looking throughout history.

And there's not a guy who's turned it around after that to even be like competent

for a stretch of their career, let alone win a Super Bowl.

It really is a one-of-one career.

And I mean, we've said it before.

He seems like a normal guy.

He seems like a nice guy.

He's being interviewed after the game.

And he's like, hey, 12.

He's here for the defense.

You know, DK was getting all emotional in the theater.

Like, clock, he's not even now.

He's pointing to the defense here.

But I think he's right.

I think if you root for Sam Darnold, you're like, I love this guy.

100%.

Yeah.

I mean, totally deferential the entire way through even after the NFC championship game

where he was pretty clearly.

He needed him in the driving force to get them to the Super Bowl.

He still was kind of given credit to the coaching staff, to the defense,

to the running game throughout this whole process.

And I think that that's why most people have kind of rallied around the idea that like,

hey, man, good for Sam.

Yeah.

Because it hasn't been trying to reshape what happened in New York or in Carolina

or what the meltdown was at the end of last season in Minnesota.

It seemed like he's done a pretty good job of just owning where his shortcomings have been.

I think that he was never a quarterback that was any different than who he had always been.

And we just happen to see a longer arc than we typically see for quarterbacks

who struggle the way that he did earlier in his career, get connected with the good coach

and now you get to see, I guess, the fruits of that labor.

Only QB with no haters, Billy.

What do you think?

Do you don't think he has any haters?

I mean, well, see, I was a Darnold Tater, but I'm like, I was wrong.

Good for him.

I'm not, I'm no longer a hater.

I'm handing in.

I'm actually able to my group chat that might prove to be a counterfactual.

Yeah.

I think there's still some, some anti-Darnold stuff there.

What is their deal though?

They just don't like their argument.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't do anything.

I mean, A, doesn't really have to do much.

You're playing with the great defense.

You're playing with an offensive coordinator who is going to become a head coach.

Right?

So you have a pretty good ecosystem around them.

And people don't forget, man, like people who are around at those times in New York.

And I mean, I watched some of those games as well.

Right?

He just looked lost.

You know, I think that people change, tell him, Deontay.

Well, the problem is that San Bruno really hasn't changed.

I think he has.

I mean, he has, come on.

He has improved.

I'm not saying that.

He improved, yes.

He improved, yes.

Change.

No.

And I think that that's a belief of mine.

And I think of other people who are more critical of them, which is that quarterbacks progress.

They don't change.

Right?

Like, if I were to tell you that Bryce Young, a half decade from now, will be in this exact same position,

where we have all these questions early in his career.

He's a long-term starter.

He goes to another spot and then he ends up winning a championship.

But he's still playing the way that he's playing.

And being the right ecosystem, anybody who was anti Bryce Young now, if they were still

that way, then, I think you would understand, especially if you were playing similarly,

because there's still a word moment.

She mentioned it in the first quarter.

I'm like, Hey, man, good for you that you got that completion.

Good for you for taking that shot.

But I don't know if that's the way that you want to be playing.

He's 100%.

He's 100%.

100%.

And I think that that's always just kind of been inherent to his game.

I guess that I mean, ecosystem matters so much.

And I think that this past decade, we have learned a lot about exactly what kind of influence

a healthy ecosystem can have for a quarterback.

So this is what's going to happen.

Billy is that because I believe, because the last two Super Bulls this week, keep up,

I'm going to start saying, you got to rethink how you build your football team.

100%.

If you don't have my homes, if you don't have Josh, you can still win a Super Bowl,

build that elite defense.

And then you know what, you got to get a quarterback.

It's good enough.

Not saying you can, you certainly can't do it with anybody.

But I don't think anyone right now looks at Jalen Hertz or Sam Darnal, then it's like those

are, you know, whatever, top five top eight quarterbacks in the NFL.

What will your reaction be?

You know, you're flying back to Miami tomorrow.

You're at the airport bar and you see somebody on TV yelling at her.

You're going to be like, you're right.

Or you're going to be like, shut up.

What's it?

What do you know?

No, I started thinking when you were talking or you're going to be asleep.

Who's?

Oh, see.

I don't, I don't sleep on flights.

I'm not good.

I'm going to try to not relate.

I cannot relate at all.

I'm out.

Every single flight.

What's your secret?

The five from San Francisco to San Diego is only like an hour, 15 minutes.

I'm out.

Okay.

Really?

100%.

Oh, no, I'm a I'll see guy.

Yeah, same.

I'm an I'll see guy.

Nope.

No neck pillow.

You're just reclined.

No ambient music.

None of that.

Really?

What do you guys call it?

Raw dog in a flight?

Yeah.

I'm able to sleep through that.

I'm able to sleep every night.

Are you a good sleeper as it is?

Absolutely.

Wow.

What's your secret?

I don't think I have one, man.

Get very tired.

Have children.

I'm going to work in formula for me.

All right.

So who's the next quarterback that just gets plugged into the perfect ecosystem?

Well, he said Bryce Young.

I mean, that is a pretty good one.

We're Bryce guys.

Yeah.

I could see five years from now.

Let's have in that conversation about Bryce Young.

Really?

Yeah.

I think so.

How many years?

Let's take it off of Bryce Young, right?

Because there are just, there are certain things physically that will lead people to have questions

about what it would even look like for him to be a championship level quarterback.

Let's go with somebody who might be similar, like a Kyler Murray, right?

Good Kyler Murray land in an ecosystem where two, three years from now, we're looking at

him in an NFC championship game where a Super Bowl and saying, wow, this guy might actually

do it.

See, I feel like Young has more of the darnled intangibles where like no one said to write

in his contract, the thing about you have to watch Hill type.

Okay.

I feel like Darnellt had that kind of thing.

I think Young has that type of thing.

I feel like Murray now that he's probably going to get traded this off season.

Maybe we'll see a second version, but it's kind of crazy to say Murray is much more talented

than Bryce Young.

Yet, if you told me like, who do I think it's more likely to happen to, I feel like

I would choose Bryce Young.

Kyler Murray also has like a jet stop on his journey, for sure, right?

And he's not going to do it in the New York.

So he's going to have to have that jet stop and then somewhere else and then whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I don't know.

I'm looking through.

I don't know who the next guy would be.

Trevor Lawrence has already kind of shed.

He's already kind of on.

So that's different.

And what a playoff game.

Dana Jones might be the next best option for that.

Coming off the Achilles.

I feel like this was his chance at that.

I don't know if it's still going to happen for her.

Maybe it will.

It's fans.

Yeah, I don't know.

But yeah, I'm looking at the other ones.

I don't see another obvious one here.

What about a two-a situation?

No.

Come on.

He's serious, Billy.

People are willing to hear it on Bryce Young, not on two.

I feel like Daniel was his guy.

Yeah, it's not going to get better for him.

You already had the good situation.

That's the thing.

You got to come out of the bad situation to a good situation where I guess you could,

yeah.

The Jones and Bryce Young might be the only two that would check those vibes.

Those are two to keep it on.

This sea ox team.

Now, this whole season, we've been like, this is such a weird season.

Yeah.

It's just like, is there a great team?

How many great teams are there?

Who is going to win it?

I do think they are definitely a worthy champ though.

You know, there was this weird thing where all the advanced dance TVLAs, like, this is

the sixth best team of the last 50 years or something.

You're like, they feel good.

I don't know that they feel that good, but now you look at it, they're 17 and three

over 20 games.

They lost three games by a total of nine points.

They did not lose a game by more than four points.

All season long.

It's just any way you look at it statistically, reasonably, resume.

They do have a super bowl resume, right?

Do we put that to sleep that they are a great team, even though it's a weird season?

Or are you like, well, not so fast?

I would say, I would say there's a great team.

There are great teams.

I would be really hesitant to put them in.

Any conversation really with the best teams that we've seen over the last decade and

half, let alone, you start talking about the last 30 plus years, right?

And it's not a knock on what they've accomplished.

We just happened to have seen-

Here's the one.

She's out of my mind.

Exactly.

Exactly.

But we've just seen some incredible single seasons throughout over the last two decades

or so.

So yeah, no, not in that conversation for me quite yet.

If they hold this group together and they're able to make a back-to-back run, then we would

have that conversation like, is this the most unlikely, you know, hot streak that you

could have imagined in the NFL?

But all time now.

Was there any HFC team that could have actually challenged them?

Good question.

The best probably would have been a healthy Denver.

I think a healthy Denver could have challenged them.

Healthy Denver?

Interesting.

Not Josh Allen going?

No, I don't think-

I don't think of that.

You don't think so?

I don't know how that defense would have fared against the really game that we saw from

Seattle.

Come play off time.

See, I look at it.

I feel like it would be more like the Rams basically were the team that pushed them

the farthest.

And so if you have a great offense and can put up points against them, at least you're

going to be in the game.

So I kind of feel like Buffalo, maybe.

I don't know.

Maybe it's that Thursday night game against Houston that is just like sticking out too much

in my head when you think about similar defense.

I mean, and obviously Josh Allen was awesome in the wildcard round against Jacksonville.

I think turnover decided was actually had a very reminiscent game to the one that we

talked about and run that time last year between Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.

We get those ugly early turnovers and then ultimately ends up sinking your playoff

chances.

But I just don't think that that Buffalo team was complete enough to deal with what we

saw from Seattle, knowing that the best offense this season, Los Angeles took basically two

A plus plus games from their quarterback and their run game to be able to hold, you know,

be able to hold serving incident for one game and then take them to the end in the others.

I don't think there's anybody in the AFC that could have reached that level to play

with them.

They didn't make it to play us, but Phillip Rivers colds played them tough and we lost

by two.

What a weird game that was, yeah, you're right.

And that was his first game.

That was his first game.

Yeah.

It was bubble screen central.

Yeah.

That's what bubble screen and inside zone central in that game kept them in it.

Yeah.

Phillip Rivers.

Yeah.

What if he was one last ride?

One last ride.

That's right.

I think the bar.

Who are the people who are just like we're not sleeping tonight because of the result.

We talked about this before.

Jets fans.

I think Jets fans are fine.

You got to be fine.

Yeah.

I don't know if I forwarded the emails.

I got, we got emails from Jets fans who were like, no, we actually are rooting for Sam.

They said, they said if you go on Reddit, Jets Reddit, the only thing that everybody

agrees, agrees about is that they were rooting for Sam Darnell on playoffs.

Let's see.

It's a weird phenomenon just because he's like a nice guy and they're like our organization's

dysfunctional.

Good for him.

Like he never, he never was like, get me out of New York or anything.

I mean, three stops after you're allowed to be happy, right?

If you're going to Carolina and you're making a run like the AFC Championship game,

you want to be a little bit more salty and to the point of being a relative like a low

profile guy, in spite of how high he was drafted and how much attention he had garnered

from getting the strut in his career in New York.

I'm not surprised at Jets fans rooting seem strong.

I think indifferent to the success will probably be a little bit more accurate.

I want Jets Reddit.

I want Jets Reddit right now.

There's people wearing Sam Darnell jerseys watching the games and let's go Sam, they were

rooting for him tonight.

Now, do you think that's a good representation of fans on Reddit?

I think they just hate Woody Johnson, if I'm going to lose from it.

As they should.

Yeah, I think that's right.

Good for them.

This might be like a new segment, Billy checks Reddit.

Yeah.

It's a dangerous game.

It's a dangerous game.

It's a dangerous game.

That's the day.

That's the day.

You know what?

I think like 20 years from now, Sean McVase is going to be like that year, 2025.

Yeah.

I feel like we had a great team and now it's two years in a row where he's looking at

like going like one play goes differently.

He could have been playing in the Super Bowl.

I think that Rams team last year beats the Chiefs in the Super Bowl.

And I think the Rams team beats this Patriots team in the Super Bowl.

We could be talking about him as a three time Super Bowl champ without adjusting that

much.

There's isn't one that like, hey, five or six plays go differently.

It's kind of like one play at the end of that Eagles game.

And then the one player where DeMarcus Lawrence peels off against the Seahawks, like, I mean,

McVeigh and Stafford, like no, look at what the Seahawks

did to everybody else.

And they were just like, we're cooking this defense.

We're going to go up and down the field on them and they have nothing to show for it.

Hell, I mean, if you win the Thursday night games towards the end of the season, the

enough to ship the ship game is being hosted, you know, at so far stadium and that might

have been, that might have been what ultimately swung the game.

So I think to to your point, yeah, they're both probably going to be 20 years down the line,

both wearing gold jackets, watching their daughters, you know, all around or whatever.

And they're going to be saying, man, can you imagine what this would have been like if

we had just finished the deal against this thing, we might have been multiple, multiple

time champions.

Has an own ever gone out on top like this?

Like we just won the championship and now we're selling.

Is that what the Celtics did or is that the year after?

Yes, I think that was our after this.

Is this the new thing?

When the title and sell your team?

Well, and you're also losing your O.C.

So you're going to be kind of a little bit down there and that's the time to get off.

So high, you know, it's going to be that hard to replace, Clint Coot.

I did agree.

You did an excellent job.

Oh, this is the tag.

Well, Mike, come on.

Mike McDonald is the guy who I mean, that is they were we have watched it.

I think Clint Kubiak did a great job.

I don't think it's like the hardest guy to replace.

I would say in terms of like, is he is he among, he's certainly not among the top five

to replace probably not top, maybe not top 10, maybe top 10.

I would say top 10.

I would say top 10.

And so the point of replacing offensive coordinators,

I'm sure we can pull up your Philly special email

and see a lot of people with a lot of thoughts

about what the experience can be like

when you have to replace your championship winning

offensive coordinator.

That's true.

After Super Bowl, is it too soon to ask Drake,

me, Fraud, like what happened?

Great tease.

Take a break.

We come back.

I do think, again, when you're in the airport tomorrow,

you look at the TVs.

Oh, that's, oh, it's gonna be all over.

Where's it going?

Where's the Patriots Fraud all along?

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All right, we're back on the ringer NFL show.

All right, let's talk about real quick before the Patriots.

Mike McDonald, we just talked about

and I feel like he already has the resume

of one of the great defensive coaches.

Like he just went to a, he coached a great defense

in Baltimore, engineered it.

And then he left, became a head coach.

And within two years coached a great defense

that won a Super Bowl.

Like even if he retired now, that's an incredible resume.

I have my ideas.

This is when he start those games.

I'm gonna go to TV.

No, I wanna, oh, I think I'm tired of coaching.

I'm gonna go to TV.

I think he's a more of a podcast guy.

No, but that sports podcast.

No, he has no intention of retiring.

TV, he's just gonna say that to get Patrick.

Yeah, there's a shaming thing.

If you listen to Mike McDonald talk, that is a sicko.

Okay, it is a coaching sicko.

If there's one thing he's not going to do, it's retire.

I think you're gonna have to pry this job.

Maybe he's behind the scenes on podcasts.

I think he's the list.

Oh, that's pretty good.

Keep it up.

You gotta keep it up on the live screen.

We have room for a comment section.

Yeah, we got room for you.

Absolutely.

But yeah, this is, I mean, he has a chance.

Now he's so young and he just started

that it's crazy to say, but like he has a chance

to build up a Hall of Fame resume as a defensive coach.

I mean, you'd have to say the last one we had like this

that came from a great putting together a great defense

of one spot becoming a head coach

and becoming a champion is Tony Dungee, I guess.

Probably would be the next closest.

And I mean, that took a while and you're tied

to Peyton Manning at that point.

So obviously, you know, the offense ends up,

I think, carrying the brunt of the labor,

especially when you look at some of the ways

that the coach struggled at that time.

Lovey Smith didn't reach these heights, right?

If they would have won with Chicago,

that probably would have been the next best thing.

Is a defensive minded guy getting control

of an organization and being able to push them

to a championship level.

But no, I don't think that, I can't think of the last time

we've had a guy from a defensive background

reach these heights, especially coming out

of the Brady Manning breeze, et cetera, et cetera,

Arab, it definitely has been a while.

All right, so are the Patriots frauds, Billy.

Wait, where are you saying he's Drake?

May a fraud or are the Patriots frauds?

We can both.

If you want, where do you want to start?

I mean, the Patriots, yeah, they saw a schedule.

We were saying it all season.

And then here we go, super bold time.

They didn't look great.

At any point in that time, did you think

the Patriots were in the game?

No, unless there was like a flute, like a special team's font,

like I felt like it needed that kind of play

for them to get back.

They actually did a decent like, bend, don't break.

It's a great play for the first.

Well, yeah, yeah.

I mean, we were talking, well, not seriously,

but we were having a conversation.

Should we be considering the kicker for the MVP of this game

because he's the only one who's put up points?

He set a record, five fields of survival,

never been done before.

29 points.

Honestly, the punter was, the Dixon was more impressive.

Do you see those punts?

He was just feeling himself on that last one.

Little quick, little liner.

Actually, I need a little bit more character

for our punters when they're out there

continuing to win.

I mean, he was jacked.

He's probably hated by other punters, right?

You would think it was great.

Yeah, he listened to Chris Long.

I think that other punters probably don't like him

because of what a great job he was doing

because now that becomes a norm in punting, right?

As it should be.

Right. We were talking about this.

One job.

He had the great pun early.

And you're like, oh my god, it's incredible.

It's like, this is your job.

Shouldn't you be able to do this almost every time?

I don't understand.

Masked.

I don't know.

As a one-coach here, I'm going to have stains.

You're abstaining?

I'm abstaining.

Why?

I'm abstaining on this one.

Because I don't think I have any healthy punter.

He has to coach a punter.

He can't exactly.

Now of his, now of his, the kid he's coaching,

yeah, is a punter and be like, yeah,

all right, the guy's going to get all nervous

and be like, coach, coach late, coach day.

What do they call coach D late?

Coach late.

Coach late.

Coach late expects me to just take my mic off.

Take my mic off.

What are you teaching your punters?

Just going again.

Just for exactly.

No.

You should be, yeah, about punting specialist Billy.

I did not have pun, but I mean, I feel like.

You feel like you're in on?

That's not.

Thank you.

I have to leave him here.

Leave him here.

Yeah.

I can give us some remote work.

Yeah.

I will take that.

definitely take that.

All right, so are the Patriots frauds?

Now, I think that there's certainly a case

that they beat up on a soft schedule all season long

and then they got the face jerts, did them

in the AFC championship game

and then they got to the Super Bowl

and they kind of looked like they didn't belong

for most of the game.

But I will also say it was a weird season

and you can only play the teams in front of you

but I do think the people who think the Patriots

are frauds do have some ammo here, Deante?

I wouldn't say they're frauds.

I'd say that today they were the same team.

They had been throughout the entire playoff run,

which is the offense disappeared

during the playoff run.

It was an awful offense, terrible, all postseason.

They played four straight games against four good defenses

and the defenses they played against kick their asses

in all four of them.

They just happened to force enough turnovers

and play well enough with their defense

to be able to get by.

Like I said, this was the one team

that was not going to hand them the game

that had enough explosiveness and was consistent enough

not hampered by weather conditions or anything like that

to be able to finish the deal.

But New England looked like the same team

that they've been for the last month,

which is a team that can win a game if you make mistakes.

But if you hold onto the ball, if you're smart

with the ball and your defense plays well,

they were always going to be vulnerable

and susceptible to a game like this.

The fraud question probably isn't fair

and I'm the one that asked it.

But here's the thing about them and about Drake May, right?

Did they blow their opportunity?

I think one argument in their favor is

who's the power in the AFC next season?

I mean, you don't necessarily see them

and say they're going to come back

to the Super Bowl next year, right?

But who's the one that's going to be in their way?

I think it's not just one.

It's the fact that there's going to be a group

that was not in there this year that they'll have to play.

They didn't have to play Josh Allen.

They didn't have to play Patrick Mahomes.

They didn't have to play Lamar Jackson.

They didn't have to play Joe Burrow.

I know the chargers never want to play off game

but they're going to be better.

Josh Allen had to be Trevor Lawrence

so you didn't have to see that Jacksonville team.

Yeah.

So like, because there is always this thing

when you have a young team or a young quarterback

who gets their sooner, you always are like,

oh, well, they'll be back.

And as the broadcast pointed out,

much to Billy Shagran, my dolphins fan,

he's like, you know, they're like,

or will it be like Dan Moreno?

And he's like, why do they have to mention that?

Every time I was just looking at Colin's

or whoever was just looking to take that shot

for some reason.

It's a personal loss, you know?

But it is a good point.

I feel like there's no guarantee.

They might, they could never make,

might never make a super bowl.

It should happen to the Lions a couple of years ago.

Right.

And Dan Campbell was crying after the game's like,

that might have been our window and we're like,

come on, Dan, stop being ridiculous.

And he was right.

I mean, he was right.

That was the closest they got.

Now the case for them, Deontay,

if you're a Patriots fan, you listen to this

and be like, shut up, you're wrong.

Is that maybe, because we have to get to the heart

of what happened to them in the playoffs.

So the theories are Drake May's shoulder was hurt way more

than they were letting on and we're going to find out by the time

you listen to this, they're going to be like,

he had 17 surgeries on his shoulder an hour after the game

and we'll be staying in San Francisco for the next six months

because he can't fly.

He battled through it, unbelievable performance.

That's one.

It could be that it was a combination of different things.

Whether in one game, opponent in this game,

AFC championship, it was just that,

hey, we don't want to give the game away.

So we're going to play this certain style.

It could be that.

It could be that they beat up underneath the schedule regular season.

You faced tougher teams and now all of a sudden

your offense isn't as good.

Here's the one I actually think it might be.

Is that the deficiencies around Drake May

caught up to them in a real way where it was like,

before the season, I'm looking at the old line

and the wide receiver's going like, you know,

I'd like Drake May, but this is going to still be very hard

for them to succeed with this.

And he was able to overcome that for a while

because of those other factors,

but eventually it catches up to you.

So I feel like they have an off season

where we could look at this team in week one of next season

and be like, wow, Drake May is in a way better spot now

than he was even in the Super Bowl.

I think that's true.

I think that when you look at, especially up front,

they had two rookies playing side by side in a Super Bowl

in Jared Holtz and in Will Campbell.

And I mean, those two got roundly beat throughout the playoffs

and were clearly being targeted throughout today's action

in the Super Bowl.

I think you would, you can't assume that trajectory

is always just going to be upward, right?

Like, that's not how this works in the sport

or in any sport.

Especially for losers of the Super Bowl the next year.

Exactly.

You can only get, there's only one condition

that would be better than where you were just at, right?

But I think you would say, try me on Henderson,

Will Campbell, Jared Wilson, a second year quarterback.

Maybe you can address some other things

with the receiver.

AJ Brown.

Possibly.

Possibly.

I feel like that could ease.

I feel like that could happen soon around them.

It could be AJ Brown.

It might not have to be AJ Brown.

What if it's Alec Pierce plus another receiver instead

of the whatever currency is going to take for you

to go acquire a player like AJ Brown?

I wish he'd say, he'd say, how about both?

Why not?

Why not?

Well, quarterback on a rookie contract, right?

Did it look like the moment was too big for him today?

Did he see, no, it's always right.

Yeah, Drake May, he seemed nervous.

I mean, he seemed to be rushing things,

but it could also be, he didn't want to keep getting destroyed,

you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I honestly just think he was getting crushed.

Yeah, it wasn't like even the place where he wasn't getting crushed.

He wasn't good, but as we've seen with quarterbacks,

when you get hit, it has like a cumulative effect for all of a sudden.

He's rushing throws.

He's off target.

He really has looked like a different guy the last month.

And even during the season, he had like the best numbers in the NFL

when he was pressured.

So again, it was like, it wasn't, it wasn't that he wasn't getting pressured.

It was like when he is getting pressured, he's Superman.

And then if you look at the playoffs, he's turned into like the worst quarterback

in the NFL when pressure.

So this isn't Super Bowl related, but it's probably good that he didn't win the MVP,

right?

Because it would have been bad.

If the MVP, he comes out and he has that stinker of a game, I'm like, oh, that would

have been rough.

Now, can we talk about the fact that Justin Herbert got a 90 people, and that's what caution

the MVP.

I can't do that.

That's crazy.

I can't do this.

I can't do this.

Sam Monson.

We're a PFF buddies.

I always got your back.

Okay.

Okay.

If nobody else got you, I got you.

Well, listen, he at least said who he voted for.

Yeah.

He gave the reasoning.

I don't see the reasoning for Justin Herbert.

This is to me, his hipster culture has gone too far in the NFL, only because I understand

Justin Herbert had bad circumstances, but if I'm a Patriots fan, I'm like, Drake may

have bad circumstances too.

And he was like the best quarterback in the league statistically.

And Justin Herbert was what?

Like 21st.

So to me, it's like, if he had a grit, like I would, I think Dak Prescott would be more

deserving than.

Okay.

Justin Herbert.

No.

That's a great question.

It's like, at least I need somebody whose numbers are at a certain spot where it's like

if you've replaced him with somebody else, like if he was like the 10th best quarterback,

then I could be like, all right, he was 10th in EPA per play.

And if you put someone else in there, it would have been 25th.

But when you're 21st, there's like not that, you know, not that much further down you

can come.

But people are free to vote for who they want to say.

Yeah.

100%.

I think that all over board.

I wonder what he's telling you to target.

Everything would be a bond.

Everything would be a bond.

Everything would be a bond.

Everything would be a bond.

That rogue vote saved us embarrassment in the Super Bowl, right?

Yeah.

You could have the MVP and then look at this.

That actually would have looked, but yeah, because if Drake May would have won it, and

then we just saw Stafford face the car and then we just saw Drake May face the C-Hogs.

Yeah.

That probably wouldn't have been great.

I mean, so say a month in here, one of the winners was Super Bowl.

Four saw this.

100%.

A month ago.

I mean, to your original question about like, is this, was this too soon, will they be

back where they frauds for not being able to come through in this moment?

As we're talking, the thing I just keep thinking about is Drake May's hometown team, Carolina

Panthers, who were here, who were in that stadium, a decade ago, you know, and came up short

and everybody thought, hey, Cam Newton and his prime just won an MVP, Luke Keekley already

looked like a Hall of Fame level player.

They had all this defensive talent.

They were on the upswing at that point in time as a franchise, and they didn't come

back.

And a lot of that is because the NFC at that time had so many great quarterbacks.

You're still talking about Drew Breeze and Aaron Rodgers, right?

You had Carson Palmer, who I played really well in Arizona at that time.

It's entirely possible that yes, we see the Patriots regularly in the playoffs for the

next half decade.

And it just doesn't matter because they end up on the road playing Baltimore or playing

Buffalo or playing Kansas City or Cincinnati, right?

It can swing just that quickly.

Well, I mean, it's early in his career, right?

But that's kind of where Joe Burrow is at, too.

That's right, right?

He's made the Super Bowl right away, hasn't gotten close since.

I mean, he's so plenty of career left, but he hasn't gotten close to being back to the

Super Bowl.

It's hard.

It's hard to get this.

Yeah, it turns out it's hard to make this a lot of stuff as to go the way.

You know, you have to like get the schedule.

You have to pile up the wind.

You have to be silly.

Stay healthy.

Stay healthy is the biggest one.

I mean, these quarterbacks, it's like you look at some of them and it's like, unless

you're like Josh Allen, injuries are a part of almost every season.

It's just a matter of how bad it is.

Can you play through it?

Did you get injured in September?

Did you suffer that devastating injury in December?

Now you look like a different guy in the playoffs.

So I like Drake.

I just like Drake Meila.

I'm on the record.

I like Drake Meila.

Yeah.

This is a poor reflection on Drake Meila.

Yeah.

Put that on the record.

But yeah, there are no guarantees.

I mean, this was bad.

I was so among 33 quarterbacks who played at least three playoff games in a post season.

The last 10 years, he ranks 47th out of 52 starters in EPA for past.

It's kind of one of the worst.

In terms of quarterbacks whose teams won, it's almost, it's like one of the worst quarterback

players.

Yes.

They don't get this far.

It's said much better.

See, this is why you need help from your friends because I, I don't know what I was

saying.

I couldn't explain it.

And then Deontay, just with the one liner there, co-pilot, a lot of weird broadcast moments.

There was, there was Collinsworth where for whatever reason they were talking about the

onsite kick.

And he said, I'll never forget where I was.

I was at the concession stand.

It's like, wait.

But then in one of the Drake May, so in Drake May's interception in the middle of the

field, they went to Chris Collinsworth for analysis and he said, and I quote, I got nothing

for you here.

So it's because I'll bet the past was like the broadcasting was awesome today.

They are great.

Honestly, just a very fun listen.

It was very much like this is our last game this year.

They had that officiating thing where you kind of put it out right before they threw it

over to their official in studio.

And he was like, yeah, that was a wrong call.

You know what?

They did a great job because they all, I've ripped the officiating experts all the time

on here because some of them to mention names where's my, you know, I'm talking, I'm

talking about, I guess my camera.

I don't know if I did that right or not.

But some of them are like, you know, it's just like, this is my chance to shine.

And they talk for eight minutes.

You have no idea.

So Tareko, what he did was, it was the catch, Cooper cut catch on the first possession.

And it just goes, Terry says that would have been a catch.

Thank you.

We just solved the officiating expert thing.

We actually don't need to hear from them.

We just need them to tell the broadcast.

Was it the right call or the wrong call?

So they did a nice job there.

But the concession thing had me rolling.

That one, we need to spend another minute because they're talking about the Thomas Morstead

onsite kick.

Saints Colts.

They're iconic.

Literally.

What a great is Super Bowl.

I started out the second half with that.

And Chris Collins were, you know, they're like, oh, yeah, you're meant, everyone remembers

where they were for that.

And Chris Collins were just, I was at the concession stand and Tareko just moved on to

the next thing.

I mean, I don't understand why you're playing by playing guys lap.

What is he supposed to do with that?

That was very, those very Al Michaels, listen to his cons work.

I'm not here to tell NBC content, social media what to do.

But I would like to learn more about, I mean, so he wasn't calling the game, I presume.

He couldn't have been because that was a CBS program.

Okay.

So he's there as a fan, presumably, or media, I guess he could have been media half time lines,

I guess.

No, but I mean, half time is so extended.

Why was there a musical back?

He was the concession stand with like the commoners.

Did he mean the media press box thing?

I don't know.

Maybe.

Imagine just going to a game and Chris Collins was just going to hang out.

He's a tall dude.

He's a big dude.

Just seeing Gangler Chris Collins work.

I got to tell you.

Trying to grab that hot dog.

Just looking.

Trying to grab a can of Miller light and a hot dog, you know, I uncovered a new football

strategy today that I floated by you very briefly and you said, tell me no more.

Okay.

Let's talk about this later.

I actually forget what it was.

So I discovered kind of like a glitch in football and in the NFL that can be kind

of exploited by a smart coach down the road.

So we saw or we didn't see because they intentionally didn't show us this situation.

There was a streak around the field and legends, they were, you know, just no sure.

But a streak was on the field and it delayed the game a good like three, four minutes.

Why can football teams not employ people to go and streak on the field on their behalf

should they be out of time out?

You can't like have it be known.

This is the team's official streak, right?

Yeah.

But like you have like a guy like a big dom or someone and he goes out there, you know,

for the Eagles and he tells some of his friends, hey, you know what?

We're going to post bail.

I know some of the cops in the city.

This will get expunged.

You're not a big deal.

Like it's not really going to affect you long term.

But why don't you have like two or three people in the stands in a game like the Superbowl?

So if you run out, you're down by five under two minutes left.

You're at a time out.

You can't stop the clock.

Right?

Yeah.

You're driving.

You can't stop the clock.

Boom.

Someone runs on the field.

They have to stop the game.

And they're not going to know that this person's attached.

Do you why?

Why has no one done this?

Honestly, you've had many great ideas, but this is the best.

I think this is peak because especially, you know, I was thinking about it because this

is the Superbowl.

This was actually the hardest situation because you had a neutral site.

Yeah.

There's so much security.

If you can pull it out, if a striker can get on the field here, that's a hell of a

cheater.

That's why you have two or three though, because then you can kind of attack from

different fronts.

You know what?

This brings up a great follow up question.

How far down on your friends list do you have to go to find a handful?

A handful of people.

How many knows are you getting before you collect your three striker?

striker? Well, because as he was describing it, let's say it's Lincoln financial field.

Let's say it is big down. He go, you know, he, all right, they, you have to

identify the people ahead of time, right? All right.

There's three people, get them good seats here,

put them in their family and friends.

Yeah, go up to the event staff person.

Hey, just so you know, it's those three people that have the game a little

you look at big time and it's like a basic, it's like a third base code.

Like when he goes, yeah, there has to be a such a cute.

There has to be a son and then they're on the field and forget bail.

Like they're just, this is all handled under the table.

I mean, you're, you're at home, you can do whatever you want.

Well, no, you have to, no, I think you have to carry.

Here's the thing, there has to be like a degree of separation, right?

Because this, like, if this were to ever happen,

and this person is found out to be like paid and like arranged by the team,

like this would probably blow the Connor Stallion's thing out of the water.

I mean, Victoria would have a field day.

Yeah, but like, this is the greatest story.

I feel like you need, you could get this.

There will be people willing to do this.

Here's the deal.

This has to be a, a save it for the right moment thing.

Yeah, you can't do this three times.

No, this is like home playoff game.

A lot on the line.

I think you do this for this.

I like this.

I think because here's the thing, if it gets, if you're the head coach,

you have to be 100% separated from this situation.

Because this would be horrible ramifications for you.

If it's found out that you orchestrated this, right?

But you need to have someone there and you could,

you can only really probably pull it out once.

Like, guess if you pull it off the first time,

this is a problem with like a heist, right?

Like heist movies.

There's always one more job.

There's always one more job.

Once you pull it off, you get a little greeting.

You always go one too far.

Listen, there are people dying to work for NFL franchises.

There's like a quality control coach.

There's an intern.

There are low level.

Yeah, the coach doesn't even have to know about this, honestly.

Except you know, you have one conversation at one time

and they say, you don't need to know anything about it,

but we got you.

Don't worry about it.

And then you have someone else handle it.

I think it's a great idea.

I would like to see if anybody knows it.

The one thing I will say is to learn from the shrieker in today's game.

Because he did an excellent job of giving his body up.

Yeah, I thought that.

Oh, I didn't see it.

He's got a bunch of-

You must have had.

Where was the fun as you just said

they didn't show on the broadcast?

You guys are searching this somewhere and don't send it to me?

Yeah, so whoever this guy is,

he must have had a history as a quarterback.

Because we want to say, like, textbook slide,

Ask Kyle Williams is coming in.

And it felt like-

Kyle Williams was going astray.

It almost felt like the slide was so good

and triggered an automatic response in Kyle Williams.

Because he immediately back off.

Like, hey, man, he gave his body up.

If I make contact with this guy's 15 yards,

it's an automatic first nail.

Even the security seemed like they kind of played it a little easy on him.

He got lucky, he didn't have the aggressive security guards

who wanted to come in and just take a free swim.

So he's feeling good tomorrow and he wakes up.

Yeah, I might have felt good.

He might be able to do it.

But not as bad as the other ones would be.

Oh, 100%.

Okay.

You know, Toreco, I always laugh when the announcers feel

like they have to get to a certain outrage level.

Yes.

When that happens, Toreco actually didn't do that.

Another feather in his cap.

He's called a Moroccan scientist.

Yeah.

He was male.

His head was already in Milan, you know.

Yeah, sorry.

He's like, I'm headed to the Olympics.

I don't care.

You can call it Sivan's injury later.

Thank you.

Crazy.

All right, one more break.

Come back, get to some leftovers here.

And wrap up our coverage of Super Bowl 60.

All right, we are back here on the ringer NFL show.

Are we covered?

See how you had the, you had a case for another MVP over Kenneth Walker.

Tionte that I thought was interesting.

I did.

I had devil with a spoon.

I think ultimately statistically,

when his sack was ruled as an interception by you, Shinnon Osu,

that actually in the car.

I heard it.

Yeah.

You got to have, you could just kind of have to have

the counting numbers as a defensive guy, right?

The kind of how Malcolm Smith was able to get it,

getting the fumble recovery,

gets the interception that he takes back to the house

against the Broncos.

And to see how it's played them in 2013 in New York.

But I thought that at least defensively,

he was the most valuable player on the field.

Like, I think I tweeted out that it was a rendez-barber-esque

performance, right?

Like, I think about all the time that he was used as a blitzer.

He had two TFLs in this game.

We mentioned the sacks.

He ended up getting a pass break up as well.

And it's very similar, I think, to when you and I were

in the press box last year in New Orleans watching Cooper D'Gene.

And I was just watching him on a snap-by-snap basis.

And I'm like, you cannot convince me that this isn't the best football

player on the field right now.

That's kind of how Devon Witherspoon looked,

even though he didn't win MVP ultimately,

I think that he had about as big of an impact

as any singular player did in this game.

So it was a great argument.

When Dianne was making it in real time.

And it's beginning to regal.

He was like, oh, if Kenneth Walker,

if they were to let that run go without the whole thing,

he's like, that could have been an MVP decider.

It's like deciding over who he didn't mention it,

probably thinking like the auntie was Jason Mayer.

Listen, I was Jason Mayer.

I can't know him one because.

Yeah, no one wanted that.

So you could go online and vote.

I don't know who officially decided.

I didn't know that it's already told me.

Yeah, they set on the on the screen.

But that's what I was wondering too.

I don't know if that would work.

Who officially votes for the MVP of the Super Bowl?

I think media, right?

I think that there's a select panel.

Is it like the thing where it's like,

oh, you got one vote out of, you know,

four votes or whatever, probably not.

But you could go online at like NFL.com slash MVP or whatever ads.

Come on.

Well, that wasn't what ever.

It's just my Jason Mayer wasn't even an option.

And at the time, he was the only way.

It scored any point.

Totally so.

No specialist.

So no specials get to win Super Bowl MVP.

What if you would have just given it to Seahawks special teams?

Like how are we to between the punter and the kicker?

That's cowardly.

They were carrying the Seahawks for that.

What do you mean?

The real special teams is the MVP.

Yes.

The Grammy's just passed by.

Imagine if they had given a co-album of the year.

No, that's cowardly.

I feel like it's happened.

It's probably it's happening.

It was cowardly every time that it has.

I did love those sticks and punts though.

That's what I'm saying.

He put on a clinic.

How did he do that?

He put on a clinic.

Unbelievable.

Kevin O'Connor, happiest man in a...

Is he...

All right, well, I don't know.

Is he happiest or most upset?

Because there's two sides of it.

Happiest because he's like,

well, are you saying I engineered this

outster of our GM?

Now look, if I would have had Sam Donald,

we would have been playing in the Super Bowl.

Or is he actually upset?

Because he's like,

if we would have had Sam Donald win in the Super Bowl,

you've got to be upset.

You have to be upset.

It's not just that this guy wins a Super Bowl

and his backup went eight and one to start the year

or whatever the case may have been.

It had the most efficient offense

before he ended up tearing his Achilles.

So I do think that you're kicking yourself,

even if you're the GM who kind of helped

with orchestrating,

this roster is no longer there.

You have to be thinking,

either one of those two guys on this offense

and that might have been us.

I wonder if teams will do crazy stuff.

This offseason being like,

we're going to build a great defense

and we're going to go get this quarterback

and we're going to win next year.

Like we were saying,

that's going to be a talking point this week

but I actually wonder if NFL teams are going to do that.

Let's say you're Miami or your Arizona.

You have ties to Green Bay.

Malik Willis's deal is coming up.

He'll be a free agent.

Yeah. What if a Michael Floor or your Jeff Hathley

and you say, you go get me Malik Willis

and give me two years to go draft up a defense?

You need the coach cell, I think.

You need the defensive coach.

I don't disagree with that.

I don't disagree.

So it would have to kind of be a Jeff Hathley

and then I guess you're still.

You're still dealing with the agency.

The Vikings could talk themselves into it for sure.

I think so.

You know, now they would have to get

good enough quarterback play

but they could talk themselves into

the Texans are probably like, man.

Are we that far away?

You know, we had a great defense.

The answer is probably no.

You have three turnovers instead of five

in the division around and they might have been

hoisting the Lombardi chart.

All right, so Texans are feeling pretty good.

There's not good free agent quarterbacks.

Broncos.

I look, there's Daniel Jones

but he's coming up in the injury.

Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Marcus Mariotta,

Zach Wilson.

Yeah.

Zach Wilson in the industry.

No.

Crazy is worse than two earlier.

No, but Kyler Murray's probably going to get traded.

That's probably the big dominoe to fall.

Yeah, Kirk Cousins is going to get released.

I don't know if you love it.

I'm more interested in who has the great,

who can build up the great defense

where maybe the quarterback doesn't have to be perfect.

No, Wilson.

Minnesota.

Minnesota.

Minnesota.

Flacco's out there.

One last ride for Joe Flacco.

Like, oh, maybe.

Let's say, all right.

What a Christian Gonzalez great game.

I'm just going to my leftovers here.

It was awesome.

Oh my gosh.

Probably, I mean, outside of Denver,

whether it's from my favorite defensive player

to watch today.

Yeah.

Probably should have had two interceptions,

frankly, but played, played excellently throughout the game.

Riley Mills is it okay to admit

that I work in football content.

And when he, this guy named Riley Mills,

I think that's his name had a sack.

I was like, I don't know who that is.

Is that okay?

Should we cut that out?

I think everybody should be allowed,

like three to five per roster.

I mean, yeah.

I was talking, we were sitting next to Danny Kelly

and I looked over and I was like,

isn't that like the ninth defensive lineman

in your, in your rotation?

Like, why would any reasonable person be asked

to know who this rookie defensive tackle is?

Yeah.

I had no idea.

All right.

Anything else you guys need to get off your chest?

How are you feeling?

Billy, you look like you're,

D.R., you're just googling stuff.

What are you looking at?

I'm going through the notes.

I was disappointed by the commercials this year.

Superbowl commercials.

Can I be honest?

I don't.

All right.

So are you, you tell me why were you disappointed?

That there was none.

There's no like memorable like great commercials

that wrote down like three or four commercials.

There's a coin-based commercial

where it was just karaoke of Backstreet Boys.

I wanted that way.

There were two Backstreet Boys commercials, I believe.

There was a liquid IV commercial

with singing toilets, singing take a look at me

and now encourage.

Oh, that's right.

To look at your pee,

to see if you were dehydrated,

to take liquid IV.

Okay.

And then Benson Boone and Ben Stiller

were in an Instacart commercial,

where Ben Stiller was doing his flips

that he does when he sings all the time

and Ben Stiller was trying to do that

and he was falling.

I'm totally indifferent.

I just feel so washed

and like I can't speak about any topics

because these companies come up

and I don't know what that is.

I don't know what they do.

I've heard about that one before

but I don't know what it is.

Hmm.

His name is Philly Kill.

His name is Deontay Leigh.

Thanks to everybody for listening all season.

Last football game.

Are you sad?

No.

I'm with you.

No.

I'm like, I'm good.

I had my fill.

It was a fun season.

But I could not find with a little bread.

I'm a completionist, man.

Once he's done, I'm totally fine.

Let's get a foot off this door.

I'm going to say, I don't want to look at my hand again.

So I can do this every day.

So I'm going to restructure some deals on over the cat.

I can't wait for air shots.

There's new bunts to come out for.

Big trades and be a playoffs.

Yes, sir.

Madness and golf majors.

String training.

You don't care about the draft.

You don't care about the draft?

I am the host of NFL.

I can't say I don't care about it.

But I like to give me some space.

Okay.

I like to, you know,

I like to progress in it in college.

I like to just cram at the end.

All right, I don't need to hear

your 400 different things.

Let me just cram at the end.

I'll form some bad takes.

You don't have any shields.

Big boards coming out soon.

No, there will not be.

No, V1, V2s or that.

And there will not be.

But on the ranger.com,

there will be Danny Kelly.

We'll see you.

DK, Todd McShay.

Deantay, I'll be doing.

Deantay has good draft takes.

I don't know if I have draft.

I have draft takes.

I don't know if I have good draft takes,

but I have drafts.

Yes.

We will have all those cover.

But we appreciate everyone listening.

All season long, we'll move to kind of a different

little set up here for the offseason,

which we will get to you as soon as possible.

We'll be back later this week.

So again, thanks to Billy.

Thanks to Deantay.

Thank you to Christopher Sun.

Congratulations to Christopher Sun and Seahawks fan

for producing us today.

Had to watch with us.

But he got to celebrate.

So it worked out well for him.

Stefano Sanchez on video

and additional production.

Supervision by Connor Nevans

in our Junot,

Ramagopal.

I'm Shilka Padio.

We will talk to you soon

on the ranger NFL show.

Thank you.

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