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We're on a new studio we have in a Hollywood, which allows us to have four people on the rewatchables again.
Four people who have never done a video podcast together, even though we have all worked together really
since the early 2010s, Sean Fantasy, host of the big picture, Andy Greenwald, Chris Ryan.
You guys did a little podcast called Hollywood perspective in the grant land days.
And now we're here. You do the watch together. Greenwald's always doing stuff.
It's the end of CR month. We couldn't have CR month without you Andy.
I really appreciate this is the only thing I wanted. This is the quartet.
This is really meaningful to me. This is my LA quartet actually.
I have to say there are not three men on gods earth who have done more to celebrate the greatness of Chris Ryan publicly.
These three men we have really gone a bump and beyond.
It's like a sea celebration.
I understand what Amy, we guys around.
There's no that you know Chuck Closterman. He loves you. This trio.
Yeah, we love Chris Ryan.
Are we bringing Bernthal in now or after?
Well, to go back to the start of the rewatchables, the first, the early seeds of the ringer,
which was basically my back house 2015.
And we started my podcast and we started the watch with Chris and Andy.
And it got to the point where they would just kind of go through my house.
My dogs wouldn't even bark anymore.
You were doing the watch and that was also where the rewatchable started.
Because we did the anniversary heat December 2015.
And now we've all circled back.
And this is the last episode of CR month.
What did you think of the choices, Andy?
I thought they were amazing that they were representing the man himself.
I thought it was a little, we were just discussing it's a little chalk at the end.
Yeah, you could have gotten a little more creative.
What was the more of them that you really wanted that you didn't get from CR month?
Like what would have been the craziest wildest one for you that would have been realistic?
Why is this skywalkers?
Just run it back.
I mean, good.
Some of your favorites.
No, I mean, I think we all thought you were going to do heat again.
I don't know if there's anything left to say there.
No, we'll save it.
I'm just playing to say.
I've done a lot of thoughts.
Was the more thoughts that I've ever had?
Was the live show that you did about heat considered?
No, no.
No.
That's not canon.
That was just an excuse to have Chris to pacheno impersonations for an hour and a half.
Which was just me screaming.
Like I think I think I got to go back in the lab with pacheno.
Do you think you're going to take a step back for the next month?
I asked him about this and he was like, what are you talking about?
You know, I was like, I'm like, I'm like getting put out to pasture.
Money never sleeps.
This isn't the gold watch.
This question is like, are you going to be petting it?
No, you guys are the gold watch.
That's right.
Well, coming up next, a request from CR LA cuff financial.
1997, Sean.
Titanic, Boogie Nights, Goodwill Hunting, LA Confidential, and Jackie Brown.
We used to make things in this country.
I'll have you know, I have the exact same list written in front of me.
In 1997 movies, Boogie Nights, Jackie Brown.
I have others, but we can talk.
But those five specifically just feels very rooted in 97.
And then this one, Greenwald, there's the revisionist history of 97 now is that
they should have won the Oscar and not Titanic.
So why don't we just start there?
For sure.
Yeah, this was definitely the critics pick.
It was definitely the burgeoning college student who wish they were critics pick.
We all felt very smug for loving this movie and caping up for it.
But I don't think there was ever a moment when it seemed like it was like,
I mean, it was never going to win against a juggernaut like Titanic, but it wasn't even like a hit.
Was it?
It was more of a critically, critically well regarded modest smash, the type that they don't make anymore.
It made 126, which I was surprised by.
It could have hit the few.
You should be satisfied with.
Yeah.
It did pretty well, but it just was up against the most successful film in the history of movies.
So by comparison, but you, you weren't the Academy at that time.
I mean, I was a huge, huge Titanic supporter.
I think my work speaks for itself the way I whipped votes during that time period.
Big call girl guy.
So this movie resonated with them, maybe at least.
Yeah.
Why this one?
Well, why did this have to be in C.R.M.?
I think that this is kind of a perfect Hollywood movie.
It's interesting because I have a kind of different relationship than people may have assumed,
or you might assume, which is like, I love it, but I love it conditionally because I come to it from the novels.
I come to it from the Elroy books.
And it's quite different than the novel.
Elroy has like a weird relationship to it.
I think he knows it made him a lot of money and made his name go even further than it already had.
But I think he also is like, they left out a lot of the plot and a lot of the sort of soul of the book and kind of sanded down the edges.
But that being said, like we said with Fargo, I think I was like, Fargo is a five-tone movie.
It's like, this is a five-tone movie too, where it's the acting, the writing, the cinematography, the direction, and the music are all different.
And the music are all like completely in sync, completely in harmony.
There's not a bum scene really in this movie.
We can nitpick about it.
But like, you're watching this and you're just watching the best that Hollywood can make, I think, at this era.
You grew up that.
It's like an amazing plate of chicken parmesan.
You know?
Yeah, good way.
In a good way. Yeah. It's like, it's not that complicated.
The dantanas chicken parmesan?
I love dantanas chicken parmesan.
I've gone down to my little friend.
I'm coming here. I'm coming here throwing these.
Andy, no.
Save that for how to save.
All right.
The dantanas chicken parmesan is wonderful.
All right.
It looks on the surface like it's going to be simple.
But then when you cut in and you look at the layers, you look at the depth with the sauce meets the cheese meets the chicken.
There's a lot going on here.
There's a lot.
It's deeper than it seems.
And it's only 29.95 on the menu.
Well, we also have not a dantana.
We have chicken parmesan prices for Crow and Pierce, which is one of the things that really helps us.
Crow is not even Crow yet.
He's barely Crow.
You knew him from the one-dentzo movie.
Didn't know him from anything else at the time.
I think it's Rumpersdumper, right?
That was the biggest news at that point.
Yeah.
You got to be done that yet?
Rumpersdumper.
No.
That's it.
That would have been the final, yeah, the final edition for the show.
That was good to see our year.
We're so happy.
See our 27.
That's a fun one.
And you wanted to do an entire Nazi month.
Is that what you said?
I think it's not the adjacent the believer.
What else could you do there?
The street.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Coming out of this movie.
Would you have been on Pierce or Crow being a bigger star?
Because I would have been on Crow.
But Pierce is, it's a great movie for him.
I thought that they would both be big stars.
Yeah.
And Pierce is actually a little bit weirder.
Like the parts of the character that the reason why he gets the part right is because he has the cheekbones and he looks like a leading man.
Straight shot.
Yeah.
But he's kind of a freak on the margins.
I think that that served him well in the later part of his career.
But I thought that he was like, yeah, he's going to be the more handsome leading man type coming out of it.
I guess I thought Crow.
The movie really loves Crow.
It's really, really interested in Bud White.
In a way that I find even the book isn't as interested in Bud White.
And you can tell and Curtis Hansen in the director talked a lot about how most of the executives wanted the movie to be Bud White's movie.
And they wanted it to be like.
Yeah.
Like almost like Arnold Schwarzenegger is like the toughest cop in 1950s Hollywood.
And obviously that he wasn't going to let that happen.
But I mean, Crow went on to have the bigger career.
I'm not sure if this is in my hot take or what.
But Pierce's an actor is just a fascinating guy.
And his career is really, really interesting and where he's gone.
And the fact that he's still cooking, like he's still doing his best work right now says a lot Crow is in a way different place.
So the legacies are kind of perfect right because one guy really went up the other guy did fine.
Yeah.
And then they kind of traded places somewhere along the way.
So it's really interesting in that way.
He's a little bit.
I don't even know if he's a little bit older.
How much older than DiCaprio is he like maybe five, six years, right?
For him, it's not LA conventional.
That's always the big question mark for me.
It's momentum because I think it would be relatively easy to project him into a number of Christopher Nolan leading roles going forward.
At which point you start to get into like, could that guy have been Batman?
Like, well, there is like there, there are a bunch of bail movies you could have thrown in any probably would have been in a drag.
But that's that's it.
We can save this for the casting part.
But this was a question I had to because obviously the casting makes this movie and the casting was kind of not controversial, but more challenging because Curtis Hansen said he wanted unknown so that the audience didn't have preconceived notions.
But if you think about, I'll defer to the film experts here on this, but like, who are the other 30 year old people that they may have been trying to put in this movie?
There's some.
It was kicked around McConaughey was was one.
The casting what ifs weren't what I wanted.
Yeah, it was the big one.
It's funny.
It's a perfect Damon part.
Like they're he was a young guy.
Pierce one.
It's basically he plays that part in the department of part.
Yeah.
But I think I'm just like 10 almost 10 years older than to cap.
Yeah.
I don't know if I would have bought McConaughey as actually.
I think that would have been a bad move.
It's coming off time to kill where it would be like pretty much like an extension of that character.
No, they're wearing the same glasses as they as in a time to kill.
Pierce had a certain energy.
It was over a mile of when Sean got to Grantland where he's like, I'm just here to do good work,
but he was secretly scheming who he could take out.
That's that's the guy Pierce energy.
I don't want to bogart this, but I did come into this movie realizing why you picked this group
because if you had to do it, there is a hothead who can hang with everyone in this strangely popular
with the ladies.
Yeah, there is a cerebral power broker.
He is very, very moral.
There's another charming power broker who knows where all the bodies are buried in a center
where that's where he is.
That's where he is.
He does lead to himself.
And I'm hoping in Christ.
And then you had to get a semi self-loathing guy who moonlights in Hollywood and kind of forgets
where his bread and butter is and gets called back.
So it's hard to worship.
Yeah.
Okay.
So Hollywood in.
Hollywood.
We got a beautiful Lynn Bracken over here too.
Yeah.
And producers share.
He's going to be like, it's all.
I should have a big character.
He's show.
Matt and I don't want to be this.
They're all back.
Come on, Frank, it's just active.
Yeah.
I think that makes sense.
That makes Gahau Johnny Sampinato, of course.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No question.
Well, my, I wrote this down.
LA is a beautiful, seductive, fucked up place that's really here to break your dreams and steal your soul.
Is that what we told Sean?
We wanted him to move for granted.
It's believe it was.
I'm so happy that I'm here.
Honestly, I love it here so much.
And this movie is a good reason why.
I think most people have this weird tortured relationship with the city.
And I'm like, I love it.
I love it.
It's a shit.
It's a zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen
I think they're both, you know, obviously period pieces made in the 90s about earlier
eras of Los Angeles.
And one thing LA had, I think even up to maybe the point where we moved here was still
those bones.
We're still there.
Like you could still probably shoot the outside of the Formosa and not have a target next
to it.
And now that it's kind of, I think, fully changed.
I think you can still find it in different neighborhoods.
It's wild watching this movie and thinking about how little they must have had to do
when it came to Hollywood, you know, yeah, in the 90s.
Because if you're shooting Hollywood in the 90s, it doesn't look that much different
than swear.
It's 45 years between when the movie is set and when they filmed it.
And it's 30 years since they made it.
Yeah.
One of the great themes that we've talked about another rewatchables episodes about LA
that everybody comes here, wide eyed with a dream, right?
And sometimes it really works out.
Sometimes it kind of works out.
But multiple characters say this in the movie.
Like Kim Basinger says at one point, like, I basically says I didn't obviously come here
to do this, but it's kind of, she still winded up, right?
Some people try it, try it, try it, try it.
And they leave.
And we knew, you know, I'm older than you guys, but we had a bunch of people when my kids
were younger, that could keep the parents in schools.
One guy's trying to be an actor.
Another person is trying to be a director.
And eventually it just doesn't work out.
You moved here for a job and show business, right?
And moved here to write for a TV show.
But this is kind of how it goes.
And sometimes the city choose, yeah, but I mean, the corruption stuff, which I think we've
seen in the last 30 years, has morphed into different, more public versions of this.
But that underbelly of what was going on, that was always part of the romance of LA,
right?
Like, it's like, it could make you, it could break you, you found dead.
You don't know who the good guys are.
Yeah, a lot of people who don't want to know how the sausage is made.
So it's like, Godfather, Jack Walts, it's right.
Cautumns.
Listen to me, my crept, my friend.
Jack would have fit in great in this movie.
He was just basically throwing them in.
But there were two quotes in here.
One was, life is good in Los Angeles.
It's paradise on earth.
That's what they tell you anyway.
Debuta says the beginning.
And then how can organized crime exist in a city with the best police force in the world?
Which seems to be, you're big on these Elroy books, but this isn't a huge theme in
these LA books in the 40s, 50s, 60s.
Yeah, so he writes this quartet of novels, LA Quartet, Black Dahlia, Big Noir, which is
my favorite LA confidential and then White Jazz.
And like they can't get increasingly Byzantine and hallucinatory as he goes on.
And he would later take on the Kennedy assassination, one of your pet projects.
You just recently talked about that.
I'm waiting a second.
Yeah.
And they try and we saw the Kennedy assassin.
No kidding.
Yeah, Chris.
No, no, no, no.
Chris, no, no, no.
And then how else what's going to happen next?
No, it's done.
Yeah, it's they don't even need me.
Yeah, they don't need me.
He basically tries to write a secret history of Los Angeles in these novels.
And some of them are fictionalized versions of real characters.
So in the novel of LA confidential, a lot of stuff is happening at what is basically
Disneyland.
Yeah.
But is not in this adaptation.
I think that one of the things that really, really struck me about watching this and
refreshing myself with the novel is it is an incredible adaptation.
It's an incredibly brave adaptation, but it's also like two guys, Brian Helglin and Hansen
sitting down and just drilling like, what is this movie going to be about?
And every scene needs to be about one of the three cops and hopefully more.
So this is eight, right?
And they narrowed it down to three.
It's got like a character.
So many characters.
So many different spinning out spreads over eight years.
Yeah, it's a much broader game.
Three years in this movie.
And it doesn't feel like that.
And the real people in the book, then, are in the movie as well.
The movie is trying to balance the truth of Hollywood versus this created world.
It's an incredible book that I've erasiously read right before the movie came out and
was kind of shocked by how different it is.
But it has this really readable but also awkward style where it's like all staccato.
But the writing is like five word sentences over and over and over and over again.
So you almost like can feel the words coming out of the typewriter as you're reading it.
It's a very unusual and it's different from his other books.
So other books are not like that as much.
I feel like they're a little bit.
And White Jazz is a little bit.
It's like weird.
The movie is way closer to the way like Robert Towne writes in Chinatown that it is L.
Roy's novel.
But the scenes are short in this film for the most part.
And I feel like that replicates the feeling of page turning.
Like we're like, I got it.
I just got to keep going.
But you're right.
I mean, his L. Roy's authorial voice is you can't replicate that on screen without a
extensive voice.
But can you think of another example of an adaptation that is respected on both sides of
the aisle like the way this is?
Because I think people who love the book understand that it's a different piece and respect
how well it is made.
It's a problem.
It's a cruiser.
It's a cruiser.
It's cruiser a book.
I think it was a book, right?
Was it a novel?
Yeah.
I got my bag.
Wow.
Andy's trying to adapt it right now.
You want to be on the re-cruising?
They're going to cruise again.
Andy was with us on the cruise again.
Andy, have you ever, your guy who's written subscripts from time to time for the last, I
don't know, nine, eight, nine, ten years?
Have you ever tried to adapt the book?
Yes.
How hard is it?
What are the things we don't know?
Well, it's very hard.
I think the hardest thing is the fidelity issue.
When I did Briar Patch, I basically just took the characters in the plot and changed everything
because, it's not a beloved, I mean, I love it, but it's not a very well-known book.
You have that liberty to do it.
But I think the most important thing is when adapting anything is that you have to, as
the adapter, try not to be too precious about what you know other people love and zero
in on what you love.
Because the enthusiasm is the one thing that you can carry from the book to the screen.
And I think that that's what these guys did to a degree that is almost unprecedented.
When you see, when you watch Curtis Hanson, like on Charlie Rose from promoting the movie
30 years ago, and he brings the same, like, pitch that he brought to Arnon Milchon and
the producers to Charlie Rose, where he's like, here are six images that I found about
coming to Los Angeles in the 50s that remind me of a place that I grew up in that is no
longer, that no longer exists.
And I chose a picture of Aldo Arre and I thought about how I love these characters even
though I hate them.
And those were the pillars of his adaptation.
And for whatever reason, maybe it's ego or whatever, he felt comfortable throwing everything
else away.
Yeah, I think that if I were trying to adapt to James Elroy book, I would just completely
lose myself being like, well, we can't have this without this.
We can't have this without the Disney character.
We can't have this without Inez being a bigger character.
It's like a metastasized tumor.
Everything touches everything.
No, we're fucking screenwriters.
Like, and we need to like make every single scene go into the next one and every action
has a consequence.
And every single thing needs to be about the theme of these guys.
Yeah.
And it's just a really, really impressive piece of work in that way.
I think it's notable that of the LA quartet, only two of the books have been made into
movies and the other one is a really bad diploma movie.
And the other, I always wanted to see White Jazz.
And including you wanted to make White Jazz for the longest time.
And you heard about like smoke houses making White Jazz for like five years.
It never happened.
And that book is so cool and fascinating.
It's about like a cop who is also a hitman for the mob.
And then he has this like kind of confrontation with himself over how the city really works.
And he's also really hot for his sister.
Incessuous.
Crazy book.
Yeah.
They're just, they're really hard to do.
So I think Andy's right on like, this is an amazing way of like kind of calling something
that's very big.
Like a 500 page novel down to two hours and ten minutes.
Yeah.
It's just like, there is a central mystery that we are going to solve.
It's ruthlessly efficient too.
I feel like I know, you probably all noticed it when we're rewatching it.
Like looking for a seam, looking for something to either make a joke about or point out.
And it just rolls almost to the point if you just get lost in it.
And I stopped taking notes both times watching it.
Yeah.
There's some stuff that I'm like, this wasn't as electric as I remembered.
But there's nothing where I'm like, you could just lose this.
Really?
Yeah.
It's a structurally almost perfect movie.
I noticed I watched it two times in the last video.
I was like, man, they're just, this is like a big ass bone in filet.
Like, no fat at all.
Yep.
Just zoom in through it.
I think if I adapted, I would be more in the Kubrick camp, like kind of like fuck this
guy with the writer.
I'm going to get some moon landing stuff in here.
And I almost think if the author is mad at you when the movie comes out, maybe that's
where you want to be.
Yeah, but there's a difference between like the guy who writes eyes of a shirt who's like,
you know, dead and like James L. Roy going around being like, this is a fucking turkey.
Yeah.
He's got your communist Kubrick does the same thing that Andy is talking about though, which
is like he just picks what he likes.
Like, yeah, in Lolita, he's just like, this is so funny to me.
And he's, I'm going to make this like a broad comedy about a 45 year old man who wants
to fuck a teenager.
Yeah.
And that's, you know, that's, there's a comic aspect of Lolita, but it's not Peter Seller
who's been doing bits, you know?
Yeah, that's true.
So I think it's like, it's kind of brave, but also I think there's some like industrial
design to the way that Curtis Hanson did it too, where he was just like, studios, I
want to make period pieces.
They don't want to make noir movies because they never make any money.
I'm not going to shoot this in black and white.
Like every choice I make is going to be so this movie can get made so they can be commercially
successful.
And then I can also make something that I think is artistically interesting.
It's pretty, pretty like slick move by an old studio directing hand.
His run here where it's like hand the rocks to cradle river wild this and then wonder
boys in eight mile kind of like culminating after that.
Just the tour to force in where she's a razor in her shoes, right?
Not at this table.
Kind of like the dark twin of Ron Howard, you know what I mean?
Like that incredibly safe pair of hands.
Save that for your one man show.
That's a good one.
Ron Howard.
Ron Howard.
Yeah.
It is like John Howard.
What if the Apollo 13 credits?
Anyway, he's just like this incredibly professional.
Like maybe there's nothing in this that's like super flashy like holy shit,
Scorsese camera move or something you've never seen before,
but all of the jigsaw pieces wind up coming.
That's the thing when I was watching it.
There is no even some of the questions that I know where categories we're going to get
through about if it could be improved in certain ways.
Like every single piece of this movie is in service to the movie.
It is the type of like buttoned up industry forward professionalism that we do.
It kind of reminds me of Apollo 13 in that way.
Where it's just like, oh, you're watching it.
And it's like, oh, man.
And then this and then this and then this.
There's no ego in like Dante Spinnati's like, yeah, I know how to shoot this.
And Jerry Goldsmith is like, I get it.
Yeah, I'm already 75.
So a bunch of grownups.
Yeah.
That's just a bunch of grownups who are like, we got a really good idea for a movie.
This is all we're going to do.
Let's make the picture.
Yeah.
Well, he did the opening credits.
Wasn't that part of his pitch?
Yeah.
He had all the postcards.
So it was like literally how he made the movie.
Yep.
Yeah, hand that rocks a cradle as a great example.
That movie's been made 17,000 times.
It's being made now.
You could go on Netflix and probably find five of them right now.
They make them on lifetime every week.
And for some reason, that's probably the best one of all of them.
Oh, I totally agree.
Except for Nadie Fadeau attraction.
We're doing it.
We're saving it from Hell Month.
It's just so well done.
But what's the movie?
It's like, Nanny's mad at the family and she's just getting her revenge.
Like that's every lifetime movie.
For some reason, that's the best one.
It is.
I popped it in last night after watching I like how potential just to be like, what was
Hansen's style to your point?
I'm trying to figure out what is it that he does with the camera, how the movies look,
the colors of the movie.
And that's a totally different looking movie, totally different killing movie.
But even though it is a bonkerscript, do you remember the premise of the hand that rocks
a cradle where it's like a woman is assaulted by her OBGYN?
Right.
And she goes public on him.
And then he kills himself and his wife, his widow, then gets a job.
And about sure as Nanny thinks revenge.
The more Nays part.
Yeah.
It's a Nanny life part.
And Nanny lives on to her.
It's the special needs gardener.
Yeah, but who she's friends.
I forgot about the gardener.
The movie's amazing.
Julianne Moore's in it.
She's a good, big right now.
Yeah, it's a bizarre.
Julianne Moore's Hall of Fame smoking performance.
Yeah.
Just smoke burring.
But it is like, the ideas in it are lifetime movie level.
Yeah, like it is really dopey.
It looks so great and it feels so professional.
When you watch these interviews with Curtis Hansen and his heroes and some people he actually
interviewed because he started as a journalist visiting sets as he talks about like Howard
Hawks, Sam Fullard, and just like the thing is the thing.
And speaking of great shows where people talked around a wooden table, it did watch this
Charlie Rose interview.
And he's like, well, Charlie, you know, every movie has a simple concept behind it.
And you should just say it in a line, you know, and he looks so with, he has about
hands of the hand that rocks the cradle and he goes, every movie has a simple concept.
Charlie leans in and goes, is it the hand rocking the cradle?
No, it's just be careful who you trust when you turn around.
But the intellectuals went this way.
A patented Rose Charm.
What's the LA conference?
You're all VG Lion and Kills and something to say what?
Maybe like maybe you see our character Charlie.
I tried it about before.
What is LA confidential in a sentence?
City of Angels is full of devils, right?
Sounds good.
There's a good line in it.
I think it's, I think it's Jack Vincent who says, everybody wants something.
Hmm, this is a real, what do you want to say?
Yeah.
I wrote down some themes including tabloid culture, still prevalent.
Yeah.
Police brutality haven't got rid of that yet.
Racism still exists.
Good, evil, sure.
Seductive and beautiful LA that's here to steal your soul still exists.
How about using blackmail against the rich and powerful to advance your political and
financial interests?
No, no, that's a bridge to for.
Yeah.
What else?
I think it's a really good movie about the real and the fake and how they coexist in
this city very comfortable.
Yeah.
That like you can see Michael Jackson having a dance off a spider man on the streets of Los
Angeles and that feels normal.
You can step on the walks of fame and that feels normal that you can walk past the Chinese
theater that you can go up to Beverly Hills and look at homes.
You can go on tours of people's homes in the city.
And also, you know, there's like a lot of crime and there's a lot of sadness and poverty
and terrible things happening in the city on a daily basis and that like they all are
just kind of coexisting in a way that is very unusual even for biotropolis standards.
But to that point, maybe and while I'm sure we'll talk about it later, but maybe the
most important scene in the movie is the scene when X Lee insults the real Lana Turner who
is actually dating a real gangster, all of which was true.
Yeah.
The whole thing up and out of a Lana Turner word dating.
By the way, that was its own movie.
Incredible.
You could have just detoured it into a separate,
did they make that movie?
I don't think they ever made it successfully.
Yeah, because of her daughter, right?
Yeah, her daughter.
Her daughter.
And Johnny Stumpen on it.
I'm worried about spoiler alert there on the murder of John Stumpen on it.
Yeah, don't worry about that.
That's here.
What you said though, when I moved out here to work for Jimmy Show and we were at an
Hollywood Boulevard and would go out to get coffee and spider man and Superman were
doing it.
And it took me six months to get used to it.
How weird everything was.
The man theater where the premieres happen, the stars, just the weirdness, but you do
get used to it.
You do.
I don't know what for everybody.
It's different for me.
It was like six months and I wouldn't blank.
I think that I start every single day here the same way, which is like, it's too bright,
it's too hot.
And then I get to six p.m. and everything turns purple and it's the perfect temperature
and you're like, oh, I'm never leaving.
You know, it's like, it's that kind of weird like you can exist in heaven and hell at the
same time.
Sensation that Elroy writes about incessantly.
Well, Greenwald mentioned the three types of police officers in this movie, aggressive
rule bake, breaker, star fucker, personality builder and straight arrow idealist.
And they do a great job within 20 minutes of like, okay, I get, I get your type.
I get you.
I get you.
Cramel.
What's the up to?
And it's just for the genius move that they pull is that they all have to go before
the police commissioner and respond to a the same question, which is, are you going to
rat on your friends?
Right.
And actually says yes.
Jack says maybe and Bud says fuck no.
One of the ingenious ideas of the book that is also really well preserved in the movie
is that like those three characters are three very clear male archetypes post World War
Two, right?
There's like the GI Bill college boy.
There's the World War Two grunt, right?
Who is in the trenches, who's like all muscle.
And then there's like the very cynical like, I just want to get what's best for me person
in the 50s is trying to kind of get fat as he heads into the second half of his life.
And those are like those set up, I think kind of an archetype of masculinity over the next
75 years in America that are really smart.
And the idea of using them as like this triangle of trying to solve something together is
really, really fascinating.
You know, they kind of do represent like one person ultimately.
They kind of feel like the totality of a guy living in a city.
Well, so each one of them during the course of the movie tries to overcome the limitations
that they realize they have placed on themselves.
Yeah.
Like Bud's whole thing is that he's not smart enough to do it until someone tells him
that he is.
And then they all want to be the thing that they are not like, they actually wants to be
his dad.
Jack wants to be thought of as moral, even though he knows he's not and Bud wants to be
smart, even though he's trying to.
Don't forget all the call girls who want to be various stars.
They just get cut.
They get cut.
They get cut.
That we're cut to look like.
We're not a group out every time.
If you could be cut to look like anyone who would be cut to look like Chandler Bigger.
That's perfect.
Rollo Tomassi.
Yeah.
One of the great stealth plot ideas of all time because I was thinking like they're the
big ideas.
Like ironically, Spacey, Kaiser, Soze, awesome.
Holy shit.
What's in the box?
Oh, I can't see.
Yeah.
You know, the six cents.
We all know like the huge ones.
The stealth, I don't know what this is.
And then it reveals itself in a very small way.
But we're like, oh, it's way up there.
I don't even know what it's competing against.
It's the movie invention.
The Rollo Tomassi ideas is Hansen and Helen, like coming up with them themselves.
There's such, there's elegance and efficiency and play throughout the entire movie.
Because you were thinking about these different archetypes.
The movie does, I think people can watch this movie and be a little confused the first
time potentially.
It doesn't really hold your hand.
And yet if you watch it again, you realize that it does do the chiropran of the character's
names.
It does show Susan Leffert's face when we first show.
But the narrator to remind you, it nudges you.
And then when you get to something like Rollo Tomassi, you can imagine Helgland and Hansen
for months beating their heads against the wall, being like, how can we combine these
moments?
How can we educate the characters with something that is clever with something that
gets us along the track fast?
You know what I'm called a John Malone.
Like the Rollo Tomassi was really smart.
It's a memorable thing.
My son, I watched it with my son, he missed it.
He didn't, he did.
Well, it's the two.
And then when Kramel says that to them, you really have to be paying attention to Pierce's
face.
So I don't think he totally got it.
And Pierce does such a great job in that scene, which is, he does a lot of drawbone.
But it's like that's the way it looks.
So Dudley wouldn't pick up on it.
Actually, look like he has to take a shit anyway.
It's always kind of how he looks.
Craig, did you see this movie before?
No.
Was it hard to follow and did you get the Rollo Tomassi?
I did get the Rollo Tomassi, but to Andy's point, I had trouble sometimes.
There are so many last names just being thrown around throughout the entire movie that I had
to kind of stop it almost like go to another tab and be like, wait, which one is, has
this last name?
That part was harder, but I did catch Rollo Tomassi.
It's funny.
It's like there's two things that jump out at me when I watch it.
One is that Buzz Meeks is the one of the main characters of the previous novel.
So like his, his life and death in this book is much more significant kind of.
And then the heroine, which kind of is a runner throughout the plot of like somebody stole
the heroine from Mickey Cohen.
And it's like, that is a major animating factor in the book.
And it kind of gets yaddy at it at the end of the movie.
I think he's never said it, but I think it's one of the reasons why El Roy is very hot
and cold on the movie is because it cuts out that part of it, which he's, that's like
the way the drugs started running through the city as a big theme of all of his novels.
And the movie is not really super interested in that.
Yeah.
Same thing with the freeway.
It's like the sort of the actual spine of what was changing and how it was going to be
changed is kind of yaddy at it.
Yeah.
Do you miss heroine as a big plot in a movie?
It's like we're not getting it as much lately.
Well, I mean, we live in a time where, you know, like a different kind of drug, I think
dominates these kinds of movies too.
Like, oh, no, it'll be a waste of the movie.
Yeah, it's just a different thing.
But like I remember vividly talking to my dad when he was literally on a heroine task
force for years.
And then they like kind of paused that and shifted their focus onto more fentanyl related
cases when he was working because everything in this country changed.
It doesn't mean heroine has gone, but it just doesn't hold this.
This is the rise of heroin.
You know, like this is the rise of, you know, coming up next.
Yeah, first take hair winner fentanyl.
What's the better movie?
Drops.
Which one was saying, Chris, it's like the rise of Skywalker.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah.
You mentioned the screenplay and how it came from the 1990 James Elroy novel where, basically,
a Hanson said, he was talking about the apparently golden era of the 20s and 30s, which
would been basically bulldozed.
I was trying to think of other movies and TV shows that kind of hit that a little bit.
Mad Men when they went to LA, which I can't remember.
I haven't, I got a rewatched by Mad Men's my next sauna show after I'm done with thrones.
Good one.
Your Instagram followers.
After I get out of the 1300s and go to the 1960s.
But Mad Men was in LA almost for the whole season, right?
And didn't it tap into this?
I'm remembering vaguely.
He would go occasionally and then one season Pete is living out here.
And it was the only time they could ever do it, because they shot LA for New York the
rest of the time.
So everything was, which kind of helped the show because it was kind of politically sealed.
But I think it definitely captured the sense, still the boom times of being out here.
This was a place where everything worked and it was golden and verdant and full of possibilities
and opportunities and sunshine.
Yeah.
Pre-sports, because the Dodgers come late 50s and so do the Lakers, right?
And then the Angels come and then all of a sudden it's like LA, here we go.
It's a pre-Wally joiner.
Yeah.
But that idea that's in this movie too of like we're selling it, we've decided on the
dream we're going to sell people.
But we had to create this too.
This is everything that's been created.
This is what I'm just curious about.
This is what I'm curious about.
It is.
That's probably the best representation of that period of time that this movie is kind of
reacting to.
It's a TV movie.
It's a feature film.
Director of a Damien, Shazel.
Sorry.
Margot Robbie.
Can I have the theaters?
Yep.
Yep.
Good film.
Of the four.
But you could also make the point.
I think this is something that Curtis Hanson did as well when he was pitching it around.
That most noirs that we think of as classics are set in like the 30s and 40s, which was
psychologically and physically a different time in America.
Fast, different.
Intentionally.
Yeah.
And the only 40s in this movie is Veronica Lake.
And that's intentionally she's, as we say, cut to look like that.
Everything else is just an abundant optimistic time.
This is still the underbelly of it.
So Hanson held a mini film festival for the people in the movie and showed them the bad
and the beautiful in a lonely place.
Don Seagulls the lineup, private hell 36 and kiss me deadly.
I don't know if Sean hadn't any thoughts.
I don't have any read your substacks today.
Can I ask you enough to cover those?
With the most fun part about directing a film be like programming the pre-film.
That would, that would underline the fact that I don't know how to make films, but I
do know how to program the festival of movie.
We brought in Sean Fantasy for our film festival.
Did you have any thoughts on those five?
I've seen all the movies and I love all of them.
I think Don Seagull is like, I don't know if you mentioned him as like actor, director
that Hanson really likes, but that's clearly a, you know, kind of a for hire guy who can
work in a lot of different sorts of dramas, but is really good about like guy with a gun.
Who's on a mission, who's got a problem to solve.
A lot of his movies are like that.
And then the killing the Kubrick movie is really interesting because there's a lot apparently
of Sterling Hayden's character in that movie in the Budweight performance that Russell
Crowe looked at him.
Yeah, because also he was Sterling Hayden was physically.
Didn't Elroy say this that he wanted that Sterling Hayden was his choice to play Budweight
interesting.
Well, in the book, he's physically a big actor.
In the book he's like the incredible Hulk.
Yeah, he's the biggest guy in LA in the book.
I think Crowe looks pretty jacked in this movie.
Yeah, but there's a couple of shots where you're like he's like a little bit taller than
day need a video.
Yeah, I thought we think Crowe is.
He's listed it six.
I looked it up.
It's like a major league baseball.
I think he's like an I've written five ten.
Donacoble inches in the major league baseball Heights thing has been my favorite sub putt.
It's funny.
He's listed us three inches city.
He went from six one to five ten.
What?
Yeah, because they're measuring all these dudes for the strike zone.
A lot of height lying going on.
Wait, so everybody gets all his life?
That's a big, big story.
I can't really go come on and do the whole breakdown of this.
Yeah, there's been a lot of height lying.
We're going to take a quick break and then I want to talk about the actors.
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The actors Russell Crowe.
So I know this movie got nine nominations, but I look at it as like the starter kit for
proof of life.
That's why movie walk so proof of life could run.
Yeah.
I don't know if it's that part of C.R.
I'm not free.
Absolutely went into the into the math.
Yeah.
Stuff legends.
Yeah.
But you can see it.
You can see where the next 10 years ago.
I like he's just a movie star in this movie.
I can see.
So could have done Ellie confidential.
So I had that in he would do that now.
I have a version of it.
Wow.
He would have been good.
Can I I had this in my recasting coach.
What about him in the Davido spot?
No, not Sid.
Listen, no, I think Vincenze.
I think you're really good.
I think I think I think he's a he's a little younger, a little younger, but I mean he
could do actually.
See, I was alive right now.
I'm trying to think of like what I could crucible at that time is this pre or post
M. I see this is post M. I.
I.
Post J.
I'm pretty.
Post J.
Pre C.
I'm pretty pro.
That's roll.
Yeah.
Available.
It kind of fits the book a little bit more.
I mean, Jack's a little like washed in the book.
And in the movie, it's like boy, he could he's basically like the double for the guy.
I think he's like, DeMarc.
Yeah.
But Crow perfect.
Guy Pierce.
We mentioned the bail thing.
I think this is bail.
They're making this movie in 07.
It's clearly bail is is actually 2005 ranch.
because you got to admit, you got to admit intelligence for sure.
And that kind of posture, right?
That stiff posture.
But then there's like, he's got some stuff going on.
You know, he doesn't grab a little bit in the back and lightly.
He grabs her.
No, so there's the scene that I really caught on rewatches
when the camera show up outside the night owl
and Dudley puts his hat on and actually kind of flexes.
Yeah.
He does what did Wesley call Sicario?
He does the Jim Flex.
Jim Selfie.
Jim Selfie.
Jim Selfie of a performance in that moment.
And then Spacey, who from 95 to 99,
Rips off usual suspects, seven outbreak, time to kill,
LA Confidential American Beauty and Wins two Oscars.
Yeah.
And he's really good in this movie.
And now it's like Kevin Spacey, problematic,
you could say the least.
I think you need to guide Pierce especially.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is a really good actor.
I think this is his best performance.
I'm with you.
I thought that would be on an island with that.
I think he's not nominated.
I think he's been more iconic, obviously,
as villains in movies and more memorable in certain movies.
But given that he's on screen for 25 minutes
and does doing a lot of acting with his face.
Yep.
And not with his words.
That's like some of my favorite lines and line readings in the movie.
Also a classic Spacey performance where it's like,
is this guy straight or gay?
Is this guy a good guy or a bad guy?
Is this guy funny or not funny?
Yeah.
There's all the layers to this scene with Matt Reynolds
where he's like, yeah, show business.
Even like when he's talking to X-Lay,
it's like, is he flirting with that guy or is just talking to him?
It's always, he's like that last level of actor
where he's playing it, where you're trying to figure out
what he's up to in the scenes.
And that was with House of Cards.
He's basically playing this guy as an older House of Cards
as a senator.
And everything about the role is performance,
which increasingly as he got more rewarded for his performances,
that became what he did as he was doing.
Sticking your stuff at the time.
Yeah, I don't feel like this was sticking out.
There's a moment that I, one of my favorite moments in the movie,
this really small moment is after they've told the boxer
that they're going to help his brother get freed
and they go back to the car and the guy's like,
you're gonna come see me, right?
You're gonna go talk about it.
And Spacey just has to cigarette in his mouth and he goes,
keep it up.
Yeah.
And it's like, it's such a perfectly choreographed bit
that fits the character because the character is always looking
for the moment to camera because that's what he admires most.
There's a really great El Roy quote about Spacey
that I think kind of sums up both his performance
and also kind of how we understand him as a public person
and even some of the thorniness without actually coming out
and saying anything specific where he says,
Spacey is so deaf, he is so controlled, is so subtle,
is so good at suggesting a character's inner life
for the minimal of outward action.
He glides.
There's something amorphous about the guy.
I met him a couple of times.
I don't have any kind of rapport with him, you know?
I like him well enough, he's not a bad guy,
but there's a mask that's up when you meet him personally.
And I imagine that this helps him when he immerses himself.
It's a deep immersion performance.
Some of the best self-loathing I've ever seen on screen.
Yeah, like, oh, I still think that
we'll also come up in other parts of the pod.
But like the him coming across Matt's body
and like the word list kind of like funerally has for Matt,
but like kind of also himself as he like slides down
is like, that's really, really good shit.
You know, like that's that's the problem with his career,
which was, I mean, that run was incredible.
He could never like, remember he made that terrible movie
paid forward.
Oh, yeah, tough one.
He could never just be a normal person.
He couldn't be like Kevin Spacey's
now a high school teacher with a heart of gold.
That's like, he always had to play these mysterious guys.
And I gotta be honest, I think he's like a one-on-one.
I don't think he exists anymore.
This was like a specific type of actor who kind of,
you kind of knew what the perfect Kevin Spacey role was.
And I don't know who's filled that void sense.
I don't think we found the person.
I think that kind of character forward mainstream American
drama just doesn't really happen that much anymore.
He did actually pivot to television
because he was kind of an actor who would really thrive
in that space.
But you know, when you go back and look at the movies
and the parts that he took on,
it's not unreasonable to be like,
there's kind of a red arrow pointing
at the unseemliness of this person.
Like in almost the industry telling you
by how they're casting him,
like what they think of him that is really fascinating.
That's so weird.
I remember at the time when he was at his apex,
he was always talking about how Jack Lemon was his,
he was like, that's right.
And the thing about Jack Lemon was that everyone loved Jack Lemon.
He played in every man,
whether it's the apartment or Grumpy Old Man,
you're like, I like that guy.
So warm.
Yeah.
Yeah, Kevin Spacey and the other couple
you would have been like, is he gonna kill us?
Yeah, it's absolutely.
I think the car says he gets to like,
Lemon Lemon is like in a way like the margin call performance
where he's kind of more like Shelley and Glen Gary
and doing that kind of handball.
Okay.
But what you can do is kind of an outlier,
he's right.
There's a lot of Kevin Spacey performances.
You'd be like, so you picked him to be the guy in seven.
Interesting.
Yeah.
No, that's true.
He's the kind of guy who cut his fingerprints off.
Interesting.
It's probably worth restating for the younger audiences
that he was the star.
He was the top build star of this movie
and that speaking of professionalism
with Curtis Hanson, what he could do and what he couldn't do,
he was like, my deal breaker is I want unknowns
and we'll get to that in terms of these other cops
so they don't have a predisposition about them.
For Dudley, I want someone that everyone thinks
is the farmer in babe so that everyone will like him.
So we'll do that, Mr. Act.
And then we'll have a movie star play,
Jack Vincent's and he got Kevin Spacey.
He said he tried to get him to make it before he won
for usual suspects.
Yeah, and it was winning the Oscar as I think
one of the big reasons why this movie got to go
because it wasn't going to go just with Pearson Crow.
He was just a certain type of part and he was the best at it.
But if you put him in like the ref as like the husband,
that's it's just not going to work.
Kim Basinger, there's two separate conversations here.
Conversation number one, CR the Catherine Tremel,
would you throw your life away
for this obvious stay away word?
Pretty solid, pretty solid choice.
It's pretty, she's operating at a high level,
but the Oscar.
Well, that's second conversation.
She wins supporting actress.
And if you were saying, hey, if you knew nothing,
who won the Oscar would have been like a kind of a fourth round pick
from this movie, maybe like the ninth pick if we did a draft from
this cast from this cast cinematography director.
Oh, yeah,
adoption.
You pick any category.
Usually I'm more I personally would put Bridget Fonda
and Jackie Brown.
Also, this was the year you were whipping votes for Gloria Stewart.
That's right.
I heard she was quite difficult to work.
I deep to add that Oscar's year, but before we do,
Craig, did you, were you surprised you win the Oscar for this?
Shocked.
Shhh, I mean, I would have given her a razzie.
I think she's probably the only character in the movie
where I'm like, I guess it takes me out of it a little bit.
I think it is like among the more bizarre wins
in recent Oscar history, I don't think she's bad.
Yeah, I think Oscar screws up
by perception of the fourth.
If she didn't win the Oscar, you'd be like,
she looks enough like Veronica Lake.
That this is interesting.
She's the same character as the natural
and the lady that introduces Redford.
It's no different, but the Oscar is just like,
she has four scenes.
They're fine.
In the same apartment,
we're wearing the same gown,
having the same conversation for times.
That's a lovely house in Hancock Park.
Sure.
We need to record.
We have a whole place to talk about that.
But I wait, I was confident that was coming up.
But I think that like Hanson is really good with actors
and is very fond of actors.
And he gives her opportunities to show more variety
than she had been given in a lot of other parts.
And certainly even what this part would suggest.
Like there's the moment when they're in the theater
watching Roman Holiday and Bud whispered something to her
and she's a little playful and throws popcorn at him.
So he's giving her a chance to succeed.
But my question, Sean, is the local Oscar expert?
I feel like Oscars like to do this thing
where it's like we're rooting for this person
who got a chance to show us something.
Yeah.
And I think that's a great way to reward them
as the next phase of their career begins.
And Tip, there wasn't really a next phase for her.
Well, is there precedent for that?
Usually it's when someone has made like 10 or 15
all-time beloved classics
or they've been a part of like something really special
about movie history.
And Kim Basinger is a beautiful star and a good actor.
But like, what are her five best performances?
What are the unforgettable moments in Kim Basinger movie history?
You know, she's Vicki Vale.
You know, she was a bond girl.
She's in the nine and a half weeks, you know,
which is like a good erotic thriller.
Greg, you should watch that with Liz tonight.
Nine and a half weeks, it's rock-com.
Well, like, I think you're right.
It almost seemed to be like, okay, well, we can't wait to see
what you do next.
But usually when they give someone like this award,
it's someone like Amy Madigan, right?
Who's like in their 60s or 70s.
We gotta work through this.
So she beats Jungkook Sakin in now, wild nomination.
Good performance.
I think she's good in that movie.
She's very good.
It's like zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen
Excellent, and I love her.
Julian Moore and Boogie Knights.
I mean, this is, what the fuck are we doing?
So fucked up.
What do we do?
So fucked up.
Like, we should just put a thousand people
to movie theater show Boogie Knights and LA Confidential
and be like, guess who won supporting it?
So like, just insane.
It's a good way of putting it.
It's a great idea.
I think that, uh,
can we do like the Jubilee, like debate style thing
with Gen Z kids, but do it for Oscars history, you know?
This one isn't a debate.
Like Julian Moore, her job is 30 times harder in that movie.
Yes.
I just think that movie had a little bit of a stigma.
It's porn 90s.
The, the, the, it was just, it was on the edge.
It was, I had a lot of like a claim for how,
but it was a young director and they were like,
fucking is also a prostitute.
It's not as though it's like, I know.
But is there, can you look at this, Sean,
and like see the gamesmanship involved?
Because people, the voters, like you think
Gloria Stewart was came in second.
So Gloria Sterne is the fifth one from Titanic, the old lady.
I still talking about Jack who she's spent a weekend with.
Meanwhile, she is this whole fucking family.
She's like 80 seconds of the movie.
I'd be so mad at my wife.
I've been and I talked about this in a row.
And she remembered.
I'm so mad.
That guy said we lived together for 60 years.
I'm just a fucking Jack.
24 hours.
I don't think that's why Gloria Stewart was punished
and humiliated the Academy Awards and they gave her
conbasing or this Oscar.
But do you think that the, like the thinking person's voter,
in this case, voted for conbasing or because they knew
like confidential wasn't going to win?
I'll tell you what I think happened.
I watched a bunch of the making of documentary
that are on the blue ray for this movie.
And in every single physical media,
physical media, yes, it's a blue ray.
Every single interview, when they are asked about
conbasing or just like, she's just like the best person.
She's just really cool.
And Danny DeVito is like, you know,
she just really cares about the work
and she's like a really nice person.
There's none of this weird like talking around Kevin's base
he being a maniacs stop going on the interview.
Kevin, what he did after work, I can't say.
He didn't Kevin got it.
Hey, Kevin's Kevin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, but when you go back and look at the year,
she won Bafta, she won Sag, she won the globe,
she won everything.
She dominated the season.
So really weird.
People just like her.
There should have been Twitter back then
because I think they would have liked it.
Like let's really interrogate this.
Are we really going to do this?
I guess so.
I've talked a couple more.
Bridget Fonda, Jackie Brown, Heather Graham and Boogie Nights.
Yeah, why not?
Sure.
Morning, weaver and I storm.
Yeah.
Well, that's a good one.
Parker posing, waiting for government.
Yes.
Other than Oscars does do comedies.
Yeah.
But I think you could make a case for all of those
that at least been nominated.
Really strange here.
This is a new game I'm playing with IMDb's
when IMDb suggests the four movies you know the person from.
What do you think IMDb says known for it
for James Cromwell?
The Scraps.
Bay Pig in the city.
A racer.
You still have a name going.
Not one really.
Does it just TV count?
Does it do TV now?
No, no, it's four movies.
Oh, this is for this is it.
Wow, this is my new favorite game.
It's great.
Great game.
John's going to steal this.
I might.
I he there's a couple of animated movies
that he did voice performances.
Were there any animated performances?
No, LA Confidential's one.
Yeah, I'll give you one.
First contact.
LA Confidential.
I robot.
I robot.
The Green Mile and the longest yard.
IMDb gave us your dream.
The longest year in Scremo.
I was in the warden in the remake.
That's right.
Come on IMDb.
We can't do it.
Give us a little.
How is Bay not in there?
That's not Bay was in Goldman.
Thought that was the best movie of 1990.
I'm sure every year in the top four.
Do you want to talk Cromwell for a second?
Incredible run by him.
Did you?
I thought succession was the exclamation point.
That was a multiple exclamation point.
I'm seeing I'm seeing big hero six as number two.
Maybe that's personal.
I think that's algorithm.
Yeah.
I have that.
Oh, you're looking at Google.
Sorry, I thought you were saying letterbox.
Oh, no, I was doing IMDb.
Oh, IMDb.
Okay.
Got it.
Cromwell, I assume when you watch this,
you're probably like, when did you sort of feel like
Delphi was not on the straight and narrow
when you're watching LA Confidential.
I don't remember how I felt when I saw
that theater across the G-Forbors.
That's exactly what I was doing.
Did you know?
Do you know who's the bad guy?
And I kind of didn't really until they basically told me.
It was the only downside of reading the book
before and I thought because the story handles it so well.
But the casting of him was so great
because this is like three, three and a half years after Babe.
Yep.
And in general, he was always like,
oh, I like that guy.
He was like when they flipped Ron and Cox
in the late 80s with RoboCop.
Yeah, like I'll run and Cox from the face.
It's like, nope.
I like flipping them.
Like, that's what they've done.
Yeah, that's good.
It's like a heel turn.
I can remember seeing this in the theater at age 20
and being shocked, having not read the books.
I absolutely a memorable rug out from Under Me Moves.
That's the way that they film Jack's death is really, really good.
Like it's a really, really good.
Yeah.
He's really great in this.
What do you think with the new strike zone?
How would Cromwell fare?
I mean, he's six seven.
Tall guy.
Was that tall?
It was the biggest flaw of succession
that him and Brian Cox were brothers.
It couldn't even be in the same frame.
He was like a foot and a half tall.
And Brian Cox was to reach.
So nine Oscar nominations.
It went for adapted and it went for supporting actress.
You know, the best actor in a supporting role that year,
Rob Williams, one for Goodwill Hunting,
Robert Forster for Jackie Brown.
No slender, please.
Anthony Hopkins, the name of Amistad.
Great Kineer and as good as it gets is the weak one.
Terrible.
That's like that tires just wobbling in the back.
And then our guy, Bert Reynolds, a Boogie Knight's,
no John C. Riley, I think Spacey,
it's kind of insane.
He was a nominator.
The only reason he was nominator was because he won.
I think so too.
And they were like fuck him.
And two years later, he wins again.
For American Beauty.
Best actor.
We've talked about this year before.
It's a weird one where you have Peter Fonda's in there
and Dustin Hoffman and Wagged with the ball.
And you would've seen a Ulyse goal.
I have, yeah.
Have you seen it?
Is it a nice film?
Do you prefer Ulyse goal or Lorenzo's oil
when it comes to ingredients?
You can get it, everyone.
For me, Lorenzo's oil.
There are very different films.
Sure.
Lorenzo's oil is very traumatizing film about a family,
a couple trying to find a cure for their child's illness.
That is not a good thing.
It's really a sad film.
So Ulyse Gold's about a beekeeper.
He was a kindly old man who's trying to make a connection
with this family.
Andy likes to get a turmeric latte at Airwine
with Lorenzo's oil.
I do just like a little bit.
To be asked for.
Some people get a medium of top latte.
Now I think they could have named it
to move you a little bit better.
Lorenzo's oil.
It's one of the old men.
Landman.
I was like, you sound like,
what the next?
That's good.
So in the 80s, we got to start using Lorenzo's oil.
We need to use Flurred oil.
Yeah, Flurred oil.
So that's what I'm talking about.
What a red-lit oil.
Yeah.
So if you had to say, crow for best actor,
guy pierced for supporting or spacey for supporting,
and you could only give one nom.
It feels like the rare actor actor for Pierce and Crow.
Like two best actors.
Yeah.
And that only happened a couple times, right?
I'm not.
So who would you go with between Crow and Pierce?
Probably Pierce too.
Yeah.
You'd give Pierce the Oscar nomination
over Russell Crowe for this movie?
Yeah.
I think that's the right call.
What?
I also think Russell Crowe is going to...
Could have done both.
Could have been like when we had two guards and all the actors.
I think Russell Crowe is really good at this.
But I think it shows a little bit more
that he is not American.
Like I think his accent and his manners sometimes
comes across as a little like,
I'm still on the set of virtuosity.
I think Pierce is incredible.
138 minutes.
Craig plus 38.
There's just a lot of food on the plate.
Yeah.
I don't think you could have...
You couldn't make the same movie for an hour and 40 minutes.
That's just like not possible,
but this did feel a little long to me.
Yeah.
I did have a horrifying thought that you could have easily
done this as a six episode drama.
Oh.
There's like specific cuts.
Yeah, but you would need to have...
If you were to...
I'm sorry.
I was just thinking like there is like natural like cliffhands.
They've been making this a TV show.
Nobody has to stop it.
Stop it.
About making this TV show.
I'm just thinking, I'm just going on.
I was going on.
That's okay, is off limits.
Anybody to do it?
Unless you've got this stuff or something like do well.
We have the evidence.
They try to make the TV show twice.
But with...
It failed both times.
Perhaps it's a better way to do it.
To express this.
He's so strong.
He's a really confidential.
Look what we used to be able to do.
Yeah.
There are good points.
This movie does with like ellipses,
with like just assuming you're going to get there.
A condensing time.
Right.
Of showing you that five most interesting moments in this character's journey is remarkable.
And I went into the...
I was reading the shooting script to see if there were like, you know, novelistic
discquisitions about whatever.
100% no.
No.
The things that got cut were like the two things that I have in my nitpicks of what I
wish were in the movie.
Like it started with the more stuff about the freeway.
Like it was just more context table setting stuff.
Or you came into a scene a little bit before.
Like I think it starts with Johnny Stompinato and Bud and Sten Johnson.
Johnny Stomp.
So there's more of that.
And you the payoff in the movie where he's like, I don't need your 20 bucks.
I'm not a rat anymore.
The first scene is him accepting 20 bucks from Bud and Sten's to be a right.
I think I think if you told me that the same way that this is a movie made by really,
really gifted crafts people and like veteran filmmakers, if it was like, okay, Matthew
Weiner or Vince Gilligan are taking on it.
The works of James L. Roy.
It's I'm vetoing it.
That would be I mean, it's more open to that.
But if it's just like, can't coming to CBS Sunday nights, LA confidential.
I think the movie.
The movie is at a certain level.
I don't think you can do it.
I think it's off limits.
Like they made a fucking boogie nights.
But obviously it is very, very, very, people are very tempted.
Like Dolly, I got made.
They've wanted to make white, white jazz.
I think big nowhere would be incredible.
Wouldn't the movie be to just do it's a each season is a different.
Right now.
I mean, just basically do that.
You castle rock, but El Rey.
It would be cool because of the way that all of the characters intersect.
You know, famously or infamously, Dudley survives LA confidential.
And like Chris said, he kind of hovers over the trilogy, the quartet of books.
And so if you had like one maze, if you had like John Malcovitch's Dudley Smith across
four seasons of TV and it's 12 episodes each and they're each an adaptation of the novels
and all the novels are long, that would be interesting.
It just has to be like the most talented adapter of that kind of work in the world.
And maybe it's any good.
Well, the other problem would be they'd be shooting it in Vancouver because we have a terrible
mayor and a terrible governor and we can't shoot shit any here because the whole film
industry has gone to shit.
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All right, so $35 million budget made $126.2 million L.A.C.O. confidential.
Rodgerie, but four stars.
L.A.C.O. is seductive and beautiful, cynical and twisted in one of the best films of the
year.
No shit.
Rodger's been on fire at $26.
You could have blindfolded me and I would have said pretty much that.
That would be the review.
Can you do your death review this?
Probably.
I had too many rewatchable scenes.
I'll go through, I'll go fast.
Crowmeads basing are the first time.
Crowmeads shows up at the night out at a coffee shop after all the murders and then they
take the picture after and say, hold on, let me take my glasses off for this great shot.
Crow goes to basing her house.
She came out of bus with dreams to Hollywood and this is how it turned out.
It makes the pierce.
We still get to act a little.
To be fair, she took a bus from Echo Park.
The Hollywood, her mother lives.
I do like you're the first person five years who didn't tell me I looked like Veronica
Lake.
Is it you look better, right?
Good move, I.
I have a guide.
The interrogation scene, can we talk about this quick?
This white quick?
It seems a fucking banger.
It's a masterpiece of four.
Yes.
It's probably my favorite.
I think it's my favorite.
And just to be clear, where are we putting the parentheticals?
Interrogation into bud going to solve the real crime.
You can have that, but it's just actually moving from room to room, bud with the chair,
but Dudley and Jack, the sort of deep focused shots.
It's just all the reflective stuff that they're doing.
It's so awesome.
Just quickly, bud kills the rapist almost fights with actually, actually kills three guys
become shotgun Eddie.
We have good, good action scenes.
The Rollo Tomassi story.
The two Johnny Stompinato scenes, which I'm just lumping together because we get, what
do I get if I give you your balls back, you whop-cock sucker?
You're going to hear the word whop again?
I'm half Italian.
I can joke about it.
And then the she is Lana Turner and we get to see the Formosa Cafe.
Then we get Lim Bracken seduces, actually.
And then Smith shoots Hollywood Jack.
And then the Rollo reveal all in a row.
See, I have a question.
The shocking Kevin Spacey desing after Cromwell goes heel.
The Rollo Tomassi, the way he says it, and then dies.
Is that eligible for the Jesse iceberg?
That's good.
You should be proud of that right there.
Don't worry if you don't make it any further or word for Buzz Limor.
Yeah, because that was going to be my flex, but it was a different spacey level.
Oh, we'll save it.
Okay.
Do you like that new category?
I'm excited.
I got to say it's been a minute.
There are a lot of new categories.
There's a little category creep.
A little bit.
Yeah, no comment.
I think I have a lot of choices.
It's like a big diner.
Just kind of if you just have, you want a corn beef sandwich?
That's a factory menu.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But like, how often when you go to a diner, you change it up the order?
Because like the thing about a diner is.
You find what you like and you stick by it right?
I've got the flex categories that I like trying to challenge myself to.
Like, I think the thing that's weird about it.
How often will you get sushi at a diner?
It's like special.
What is specials today?
It's just like, sometimes.
Sometimes.
Sometimes, right?
Yeah.
You got them.
The specials?
Fine.
Bill should start each pod by reading the specials, which is the new categories for the
actual.
Oh, that's a good idea.
I like that.
That's good.
That's a good idea.
That's a good idea.
That's a good idea.
That's a good idea.
That's a good idea.
That's a good idea.
Danny DeVito's drink.
Oh, yeah.
Tough one.
Convenient.
He thought it was a tango.
Nope.
It's not a view.
It's an exly.
That's like when I see social clips of the watch.
And I'm like, no Chris.
No.
No.
Chasing it down.
I'm a passenger commute.
And then Bud vs.
Exly where it seems like Bud's going to kill him and then they decide to work together.
Bud tortures the DA for answers, which includes the combo, toilet, dunk, legs, dangle, outside
the window.
We don't get that often.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One, but not both.
And then the big shootout at the end.
Victory Motel.
CRO is talks about situational awareness with action scenes.
Tight spaces where the camera is can follow where everybody is.
That's a good one for that.
It's really good.
Yeah.
And it's it's a it almost feels a little bit premature.
Like when you're watching the movie, you're like, oh, we're doing this now.
We're done.
We're done.
Yeah.
And then you're like, it's just like, you know, and the victory Motel shootout isn't
quite the same in the book and stuff like that.
There's like a train and shit.
But yeah.
Also, CRO, some of his gun work in this movie leads to proof of life three years later.
Yeah.
A lot of people don't make that point.
I was just having a conversation about this the other day about.
We make Ryan.
Um, you know, since the emergence of wearing the tactical bulletproof vest, I think we've
seen a different kind of like gun acting going on.
Yeah.
And it's also like, especially since John Wick.
Yeah, but between this and, uh, uh, to live in Dianna, I kind of missed guys running
around with a revolver shaking everywhere.
You know, like we're like, Pank out jumping over something and be like, Hey, I forgot
to tell you I was watching the first eight episodes of my Ami Vice again, because there
are two B.
Pank out was in Glade.
Yeah, I know.
Couldn't there was a Pank out like a Pank out Rejuvenation.
I was going to touch you about this, but I was like, I don't, I don't want to bother
with about Pank out.
This is like never bother me with my best two guys and one girl.
And then the two guys realized they love each other at the same time.
And the girl was like, Hey, but we're the one girl.
Listen to you to be said to be flexible excited for us.
Yeah.
Whole whole series is there.
We talked about the Pank out songs.
Yeah.
Cause an Ira.
Yeah.
Panko had a tough pod run to live in Dianna.
Well, you gave him a tough time.
I think I liked it.
I was kind of with Bill.
I, I see people's eyes to jump on the Pank out recasting bandwagon, but was hinting.
I was more on my side.
I was.
You know, your mailbox from Billy Peterson about is like, Hey, love your work.
No, he's just, all he does is just roll and piles of money.
Yeah.
He never heard of hot guest pool, but just with $20 bills in it.
He just dies.
He's just swims around and watches the bills.
So what's your, what did you, what scenes did you have that I didn't mention?
Well, we mentioned it, but when, um, actually in Bud and Vincennes go into the DA's office
or the captain's office and they're being kind of confronted with will you rat, uh, the
way that those three scenes are cut, again, another amazing, uh, spacey performance when
he is told that he's going to have the show taken away from him just on his face.
It's amazing.
And then putting Ed behind the mirror and observing when Jack is being interrogated.
I think that whole section is so smart and kind of like, that's when the movie coalesces
and you're like, Oh, it's these three guys.
Like this is really what this movie is about.
There's three cops.
What did you have for most of you watchable at you name them all, but I, it's the interrogation
scene for me.
It's the interrogation.
It jumps up such a level and to see it's always fun when the audience gets put in the
same position as some of the characters when Jack says, Are you sure college boys up to
this?
And he's like, I think it'll be surprised with the, with the boys capable of, yeah.
And we all lean in being like, Oh, I guess we're about to be surprised.
And then I didn't, as there been other precedent of the manipulation of the blive mic in an
interrogation.
I mean, I'm not conducting it.
He's like, do to mill in there.
He's a god.
Yeah.
He's like, he's making sure that the other guys can hear certain things that the other,
the other and really good foley on the snap of the switch.
Yeah.
Everything I had that in one stage the best is when college boy was an insult.
Oh, yeah.
In like the 40s, 50s, six, like, Oh, look at college boy.
We just don't have, we've lost college boy.
I don't know what it is now.
Like masters boy.
Doesn't have the same way.
I don't know.
Just the era where you would make fun of somebody for pursuing higher education, just
somehow, somehow, it's like that was for a minute.
People were calling guys libs.
That was like sort of a, the granite the lib.
So that's the most lib thing I've ever heard.
Overlive, overlive.
You're like, I was an era.
I was called the, when the lips are back, man.
So we are the, we are the interrogation.
I have the interrogation.
Interesting.
So I think it's another small and which is bud visiting Pierce Patchet for the first time.
No, I love that.
I love that.
We have not talked about Pierce Patchet and just like, yeah, straight there.
Come on.
Straight there and it's so good in this movie too.
Our guy, Dion, Dion Dave.
Oh, okay.
Well, I don't want to piss on it, but he's so good and he can do that in any movie.
Sneakers, like whatever.
Like, he's just one of my favorite IMDb's, including he's in the best Miami vice episode ever.
Thierry Strains, brother and arms.
Yeah.
Like third episode of season two.
Just keep you in the way.
Cut the energy.
Him and Bruce McCall.
Yep.
Miguel.
Miguel.
Bruce McGill.
Yeah.
Bruce McCall.
Bruce McGill.
New coach of Creighton.
Bruce McGill.
I was watching Bruce McGill in a really terrible Bruce Willis movie that I like.
Can you guess?
The color of my castle.
Nope.
Is it Hudson Hawk?
Bruce McGill.
Yeah.
Bruce Willis.
Sarah Jessica Parker.
Oh, uh, striking disriking.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Pittsburgh.
Yeah.
Pittsburgh boat cops.
Disgraced cop doing that.
Like Pittsburgh Coast Guard.
Pittsburgh, what in and out was to log Island people in Pittsburgh were like.
Strike conditions.
Well, it was here.
Willis was having a promise.
I didn't like that movie.
Made it all the way to Philly.
The third actually where it's like all in that one boat and he's going to get move around
the boat, but he's being spotty.
Yeah.
I see.
I'm guessing boxes.
I'll tell you that much cops not like any other.
There's just a race cop.
Pencil beam.
Yeah.
Come on.
It's right in the heart of the Barry Bonser.
It's not.
It's like early.
Oh, it's the killer.
Pretty good.
Yeah.
What Binea was on the meds at this point.
I think that's the most technical.
What a really guy with the most Philly joke of all time.
When I'm hosting to be classics and 70 or month will allow it.
Okay.
The only other thing I would shoot out for out is like a rewatchable.
I have the interrogation scene.
What's fucking great is the post actually shoot out montage that they do to skip ahead time
where it's like actually gets promoted.
Jack returns to badge of honor.
Bud goes like continues to see Lynn.
And then you get like hit, you know, Bud keeps beating up all of the mobsters moving in on
Mickey's turf and the 10 opens.
Those montages can go the wrong way.
That one works.
It really does.
Probably the worst part of the Godfather when it.
Pacino and just the newspaper.
Michael Kills, McCloskey and Salazzo.
And then it's like did it.
It's like playing this carnival music.
And they're just showing newspapers.
The other way.
Wow.
The other risk you run is like driving the bus past something you actually wish you could stop
and get out and spend more time in like the Santa Monica freeway.
Well, on the Santa Monica freeway to Pierce Patch.
It's gender bending champagne party.
Which really like they had a location.
Yeah.
You know, they brought in the cabaret dancers.
They bring those back.
Those parties.
Gender bending party.
Your house.
I might do have a Pierce, Pierce Paget party.
Yeah.
You should.
Just like guys, no limits tonight.
Just a bunch of chicks wearing clothes.
Some of the girls are cut like modern actress, which is just go for it.
I'm listening.
I'm listening.
You know what I'm saying?
All right.
Just a bunch of chicks wearing clutch sweatshirts.
I was like nothing.
Craig's already RSVPed.
What's the most 1997 thing about this movie?
It's got to be young Crow, right?
So would you say the spacey on the poster?
Yeah.
I would say on the poster.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I had this is not shown off, but I had that this is a movie in the first place is the most deeply
1997 thing about it.
This would be this is the TV show.
What streamer would this be on?
Exactly.
I don't know, man.
We're coming off Project Hill Mary.
Book adaptations are back.
This is the way with movies is adapt these really good novels into movies.
This was how it was for like 40 years in Hollywood.
But this was not a popcorn slam dunk Beatrice seller.
True.
Do you guys want to hear my son's review in the kitchen of Project Hill Mary?
Sure.
I tell you that.
You texted it to me.
Yeah.
He was like, how was it?
And he said, it sucked.
It's like really it sucked.
People like it.
He's like, no, it was good.
It sucked, but it was really good.
It kept my interest.
And I'm glad I sat in the theater.
It's like, it sounds like you liked it.
It's like, no, I liked it.
I was like, we had a week.
Do you think you were intimidated by thinking he was doing against conventional
words?
I think he was trying to zag because I don't know what he was thinking.
Okay.
We're still working on it.
I do.
To his credit, there was that thing where the expectations are really high for a movie.
And you're like, this did not be the expected.
That's where we landed.
Yeah.
It's good.
And I appreciate it.
But the next thing he said was it wasn't like 2001.
Which is the next quote.
Yeah.
That's true though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It wasn't going to be 2001, Ben.
So we're working.
He's only 18 working progress.
Special category I threw in the Floyd Gandoli butter in my ass and lolly pops in my mouth
award for something I just enjoy.
I like scared characters with a puddle of pandernate them.
We get to in this home run every time.
If someone pisses himself, it means it's good movie.
I didn't think they'd go back to the well.
So to speak.
You know somebody's scared when they're just the peas running down their leg or there's
pee under their seat.
It's the last level of fear.
Craig don't put the cameras down.
That's how I felt when you guys asked me if I like proof of life.
You like proof of life.
You just don't know it.
My goal was kind of like Al Dorado's driving around all day.
And then 1850s.
It's pretty cool.
I just go for it.
Would you have for what's age the best, Andy?
What's age the best?
I thought your Floyd Gundoli would be like a group of men being told to go out and like
pursue justice without mercy.
Like that's just like slam dunk for you.
That is.
I know watching movies and what that.
What's age the best?
Well, we already said racial profiling is an attempt to project dominance and safety in a community.
Going great.
I thought audiences willing us to explore twisty morality genre tales, just not in movie theaters.
You had tabloid culture.
I feel like I feel like LA is still a rough adjustment for some outsiders.
You don't usually get pulled into the victory motel.
No.
But you know, emotionally it can be a tough adjustment.
That's what working above Herbalife was at Grantland.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's what we're kind of our victory motel.
What would you have?
Oh, well, my Gundoli is when a seemingly kindly old Irishman is the most evil person in the movie.
Which is also we find that in the town as well, of course.
There's many such examples.
And this one has a great one in Dudley.
But what's age the best is there is a really good interview with Hanson, where he said,
I love characters who only have one scene, but they're the star of that scene.
And this movie is a great example of that.
And there's a handful of actors when we get into some of the other character categories we can talk about.
But that's a really clever idea that I think has been dispensed with a bit over the last 25 years.
And he was really good at it.
I'm with the lock-ins.
Yes.
But it's like the corner.
The corner is like has a whole day before Budwei Watt.
I mean, Stadlin is a great example of a character when he's in the scene.
He's the star of that.
Yeah.
That's good.
What do you have here?
For best.
Yeah.
Pierce Patchett as a proto-epstein.
Oh, and Richard himself, exorbitant control from the shadows using blackmail.
This is more of like a movie thing.
I think for the novel readers, they're a little like, all right.
And so, it's like, Dudley telling exly will never be a great cop unless he can shoot a criminal in the back in order to get justice.
And that's exactly how exly kills Dudley.
And just like the balls on these guys to do the Dudley to make Dudley like a twist rather than going into it.
We all know Dudley is like the dark prince of Los Angeles.
And instead it's like, holy shit, this guy is taking over from Mickey Cohen.
I have corrupt LA cops, which you mentioned.
I love movies where the police department hates one of their own cops.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, it works.
You're shutting him.
Yeah.
And there's like, they're in groups and he's coming around the corner and they're just kind of stink guy.
Sobaco.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's that always works for us.
I was kind of like, there's, I don't ever want to use Sora the AI video thing.
What?
But I kind of want to put Inspector Todd and LA confidential.
Is that that fucking exly out there?
Yeah.
I guess just put it in every cop movie.
Increased racial harmony within the LAPD.
Yeah.
Talking about getting plastic surgery is having you cut.
Yeah.
We just need to bring it back.
That's just come back.
Yeah.
You're going to have me cut to look like Nick right?
Where's Chris been?
Uh, what is Chris have somebody chiefs opinions?
Yeah.
I have a QB tier.
Yeah.
It's Chris okay.
DeVito.
I mean, I know it's the 50s.
So you can get away with it.
You could have now.
But when he, he rips off the back to back.
Did you know the DA is a swish and then he does the Reynolds is an AC Doocy two, two phrases.
Nobody said in 50 years.
Yeah.
Just I thought it was.
There's a lot of colorful.
Yeah.
Royas.
And look too.
That are.
You don't hear too often.
And Russell Crowe said that L. Ray told him Budweight doesn't drink.
So Crowe didn't drink during the entire shoot and described it as the most painful period
of his life.
And not ironically.
Uh, yeah.
Probably why he looks great by the end of the movie.
I mean, he legendarily like builds his own bar at set.
He was like, he has like a pub setup or a did.
Who did.
So the best all time drunk actors.
Quentin jaws is number one.
He died when he was like 34 Richard Harris and Oliver.
Tom.
Richard Harris.
All of us.
All of us.
Oliver Reed was another.
He died during gladiator.
Sterling Hayden.
Sterling Hayden.
He didn't even look at the script.
Yes.
Famously huge drunk.
Peter O'Toole and Lion and Winter.
Yeah.
I mean, throughout the entire year.
Yeah.
Robert Mitchem.
Yeah.
Incredible Mitchem story.
I mean, Mitchem wouldn't do Saran alive unless they gave him a case of Jose Cuervo gold.
But he wouldn't go on that silver.
That's great.
Nick Nalti was a famous one.
That's a good one.
I mean, Colin Farrell, you know, our beloved Colin Farrell for a time.
You know, he was.
Andy, could this be a new ringer podcast for you where each episode is just a history of a drunk actor?
Sure.
Yeah.
But do we do the full arc of the character?
We do the Colin Farrell like.
We spend talking about Robert Shaw and the jaws.
Yeah.
But like 20 minutes.
He was daring drivers to climb up and puff at the boat.
And Jamie and Drifest was going to do it.
Spielberg had to step in because he was going to die.
Did you ask Spielberg back that?
Yeah, we talked about it at length.
It was roughly 50 minutes of our conversation, which is about Robert Shaw being shit based during the making of jaws.
What would it be now, Craig, just somebody who took too many gummies?
Who?
Yeah, overdosing on CBD during a pod.
Yeah.
And just soft.
Again, we used to know how to make things in this country.
Yeah.
We used to be a really, really, really dramatic cut women so that they could work in brothels modeled on movies.
Now to be fair,
uh,
can basing her has not been cut.
We should be clear.
Just that.
a tiny pride of bisbee, Arizona.
Sierra, what do you have for great shot, Gorda?
Uh, all the stuff in the interrogation scene before actually goes in.
There's like a great one of Jack in the front of the frame, Dudley and mid.
Actually is reflected off the glass.
And you can see into the interrogation booth to see the kid waiting for them.
And it's just like these guys.
Spinadiate.
It's funny.
I was watching the movie thinking that was like minus 250 and fandall that that was going to be.
See ours.
Gorda.
Do you have a different one?
You love reflection shots.
I do.
You're a big reflection guy.
Multiple splits eye-opter shots in the movie.
Mold like three, I think.
Name them.
Um, well, one in particular,
when exly and Bud burst into the DA's office,
they show.
Yeah.
Rifkin in the background and Bud in the foreground.
It's like, it's just a, it jumps out at you.
Um,
I think also just the, one of the very last shots in the movie is exly holding up the
badge.
You're back.
You're back.
You're the cop cars arriving, which is just a beautiful image.
I like the cop cars coming over the hill.
I thought that's really good.
There's one other one too, which is like the, when exly and Budweider about to show down,
like, have a show down in the street.
And it's one of the only zooms in the movie.
And like, zooms in on the two of them and captures them in the frame head to head with each other.
This is the thing I wanted to say.
Like, it is such an unsholy movie in terms of camera work and direction.
And it's always serving the story.
And then when I went through it to consider this category, that's what jumped out the very
few times that they choose to move the camera.
Yeah.
You pay attention.
So weirdly, one of my nominations for this category is like not even that memorable of a scene,
but it's when Stenzel and walks out of Dudley's office after, after turning in his badge and gun.
Yeah.
And he puts that his hand to shake Bud's hand and we kind of move the camera around to this just wall of raw beef
faces all being like raw deals.
Then and then we completely move the camera to see actually coming down the hall.
All alone.
And similarly, you called it a minute ago when Bud shows up at Patchett's house and he's at the top.
Patchett's putting at the bottom and they're both in frame and you feel the divide between them.
Yeah.
Chess Rockwell, Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name.
Hollywood Jack, The Big V.
What a good reason.
The Big V.
In two names.
You pulled out two nicknames successfully.
I'm a lot of good ones.
Pierce Morehouse Patchett, which is P-I-M-P, is pretty darn good.
Yeah, pretty good.
What about Buzzmix, Dick Stenzelund?
Yeah.
I would say there's like a shadow version of this category, which is missed opportunities because
there are a lot of characters in the film, some of whom have lines and have a role to play.
And their names are Chief of Police or City Councilman.
I think that's because those guys in the novel, Lisa Chief of Police are like real people.
Real cops.
Yeah.
It's just, I feel like if you were able to like, dine out in Los Angeles in 1998 and be like,
guess what?
I'm in the best picture nominated film at like Confidential.
And I have three scenes.
Who do you play?
Councilman.
It's kind of a bummer.
Yeah.
It's a bummer.
The Amanda Dovins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate.
Here we go.
Shout out to Amanda.
The Alley Confidential House.
It's in Hancock Park.
It's right next to the 10th and 11th pole of Wilshire Country Club.
And this is Linz House?
Okay.
So it's basically the 11th, 11th fairway.
It was for sale twice in the last seven years and the first time.
So it was on one of my walks.
Went, checked it out, went, did an open house before somebody fixed it up.
And it was pretty beaten up.
Yeah.
But it was like the Alley Confidential House, everybody in the neighborhood knows the house.
Well, that Bud White sperm is that what the issue was.
Yeah.
Keep the black light in the house.
But it was cool.
But it was quiet to put his money in there.
Well, there's no backyard.
It was like mostly a front yard and then a side yard that's next to the golf course.
And it was kind of like, this is something you'd really have to spend money to fix it up.
Somebody bought it, fixed it up, and then sold it during COVID for $7.5 million.
Do you think they got it or do you think that amazing like front room?
I think they kept the bones, but I think they had to fix.
It was one of those where you walked on it, you could feel the floor is creaking.
Yeah.
It was buried under there.
But it's fucking cool.
And that's a really cool street that you basically come off Rossmore, which is one of the first
big Hollywood streets.
You take a left and you go down and it curls around.
And where curls is where that house is.
So you see it and curls right through Coanga.
But it's a really cool, distinct house.
I don't know how livable it is.
20, this is the category I picked from my flex category, but I didn't pick that house.
I picked Pierce Patchets House.
Yeah, that's the architectural marble.
So I had some thoughts on the Pierce House because that's the runner up.
I wanted it to be even bigger.
The inside.
I wanted it to be like this like a fucking Babylon house.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If he's doing a Sean skin that age money.
Yeah, he'll be sleeping too.
Plus, oh, maybe he's maybe he's using the product of the broth.
He's also got his pay for all those ladies to get cut.
You know, getting cut was more expensive than I think.
That might not be covered by insurance.
So you like that?
Are the interiors in the movie, the actual interior?
I've never been, I thought it was too lotter.
It's up the street from where I live.
It's in those fields.
It's the level house.
It's a very famous house, very famous architectural masterpiece in LA.
There was built like a hundred years ago.
It's but it feels like it was designed in the 50s and it's beautiful.
It's a Neutra house.
It was built in 2007.
The great thing about Hancock Park is like these houses have been around for 110 years
and like some shit went down in a lot of the houses and you just can kind of feel the energy.
It's like, yeah, definitely.
Like I'm an even horse style.
Well, you never know ghosts.
Yeah.
I'm known.
Confidencey word for stealth homage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm.
What a pleasure to have Andy here for this category.
I'm excited for this.
But wait, what about the real estate?
I thought someone was going to mention Bob's Market and Echo Park, which is the three streets
converging where the boxer is.
And that's where Fast and Furious starts, right?
Isn't that the market?
Wow.
Wow.
I didn't want to bring that up, but it did look a little familiar.
I thought I was going to be a woman.
You would invoke Fast and Furious.
Yes, he was.
I'm never seen.
I just thought you I thought that was appealing.
It's a good one.
Do you show?
I have a criteria.
I guess.
Two, two and they're related.
As Andy mentioned, Budden Lane go to a showing of Roman holiday.
The Audrey Hepburn Cragory Pack Classic Oscar winning movie released September of 53.
So it's right at the perfect time because this movie is like September, September,
February.
And when Jack goes for a drink after the party at Badge of Honor, he goes to the frolic
room, which is right next door to the Pantages theater, which is showing on the marquee,
the Bad and the Beautiful, which as you mentioned, is one of the key inspirations for this
movie.
Frog Room's still there.
Still there.
My only other criteria orgasm is an oral.
You have criteria orgasm.
I'm just concerned.
Sean Solos.
I'm solely one in there because it's music based.
Just joined in.
It's a R-mon.
All right.
It is a R-mon.
Jerry Goldsmith based some of the score off of Leonard Bernstein's on the Waterfront
score.
It's a pretty cool fact.
Jerry Goldsmith based.
Jerry Goldsmith based.
It's a R-mon.
He's going to have a criteria orgasm on.
He riffed on it.
Do you have any orgasm on the show?
On this one?
Yeah.
During Sikari.
You just didn't know.
Supply a death.
That's the time to meet God.
Little death.
Walked into the dark.
Did you hear on the mailbag of a listener said that the Emily Blunt character should have
been Tom Cruise.
There's an amazing email.
Like Tom Cruise, the firm early 90s.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Two D-young guy who's a rationing hockey.
I'm not a soldier.
It's pretty interesting thought.
Maybe you could do that on Sora.
Sure.
Tom Cruise is a choreo.
You have a flex category.
Let's see.
I had Jesse Eisenberg.
That's good.
You should be proud of that right there.
Don't worry if you don't make it any further.
The best line reading was when Jack says to exly.
Why in the world do you want to go digging any deeper into the night out killings?
Lieutenant.
Because it's like that made you know.
So yeah.
That was my favorite one.
Which is girlfriend word.
We click at the film.
This will be interesting.
Do we have a win click Sean?
I don't think that it's basing or but I wrote down basing or because I didn't know what to do.
Okay.
Andy.
I this might be like a sort of a niche thing but I think.
DeVito is the worst on screen Italian as a Jew since De Niro and casino.
Great take.
Like I like this is honestly.
Yeah.
I fixated by this.
I love it.
Like there's a lot of and we'll get to I imagine.
I imagine.
Promo Irish accent but like there's a lot of certain words are doing a lot of labor for DeVito's performance.
Where he's just like boy chick boy chick.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I found that maybe maybe the scales are even because Jason Alexander played a character named George Costanza.
So maybe the Jewish Italian alliance is strong.
This is a real hobby horse of yours.
Yeah.
You like to point out.
Great accent.
I really appreciate it.
I love it.
Come on.
At any time because of the watch.
I like it.
Roll of representation.
Like the muck breaking.
And her.
She.
Push magazine.
Prouches and closets to photograph the rich and powerful.
Yeah.
The sex.
Ellis Lowe get a BJ.
This is important for the culture.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I'm just saying that's not for sure.
That's the week link.
I the passage of time in this movie is not super well documented to me.
Oh.
So I think if you watch this movie like the way Craig did like the first time.
It's like zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen zeggen
was Danny DeBito.
Yeah, thank you.
For different reasons?
For the reasons you mentioned, thank you.
I just wasn't buying it.
He's just an Italian.
He's just Danny DeBito.
I also, he takes me out of the movie a little.
His Danny DeBitoness is just too omnipresent
and too much of a history with them
and he's in taxing his remains.
I can't buy him as a character.
And I almost don't know if we needed
a famous actor for that part.
I just, every time he's in the scene,
it's such a good, be shimmy role or something.
Yeah, it's just, there you go again.
I know it's the arm.
But excuse me.
Kevin Paulion?
Is Kevin Paulish Jewish?
What about Hank out?
Yeah, he's right there.
Hank out.
Come on.
Honestly, Kevin Paul, I could have done it.
We could have, I find that DeBito is a great first voice
to hear when the movie opens
and you're getting those postcards.
And he's kind of a great narrator.
But when he's in scenes and Spacey,
who is a big showy actor, but is much more subtle
on this movie and DeBito is just throwing ham sandwiches
at him, nonstop.
I mean, it's crazy how big he is.
Which made it.
Why they cast a boy.
Could be.
I just think he's done too much comedy over there.
Like even when he was getting beaten up in the chair
at the end, it's like, come on.
This is crazy.
I have to, I had one for this for recasting.
It's Billy Crystal, too famous for that part.
Yes.
Well, you could certainly make the case
Danny DeBito is way too famous for this part.
Why is Danny DeBito even in this?
My point is if you're going to go famous for that part,
I'd rather have Billy Crystal.
Yeah.
And then my dream really crystal.
It's my dream choice would have been Larry David.
Because nobody knew who Larry David really looked like
in 97.
Yeah.
And I think the big brain thinking I want.
Yes.
That could have been where we went.
But I just, that's when Larry David walks up to Jack Vincent.
And he says, this guy has a jackal in his stomach.
I don't know.
He took me out of the movie.
Too much history.
Anyway, what saves the worst?
Kevin Spacey.
I didn't like the Pierce House as much.
I really wanted like a babble on house for him.
I wanted like just this house is obscene.
We're like in Hollywood Hills.
There's no house within, maybe we're in Malibu.
I don't know.
I just wanted like a giant kind of like crazy.
Oh my God.
This guy's got to be the richest guy in LA kind of house.
I got to know so that one.
Guy Pierce, Kevin Spacey stuff.
Pierce that was just in the news.
He's basically got hands-y with him on the set.
Yes.
And he was uncomfortable and whole thing.
I don't probably should just punch him.
James L. Royce relationship to the film is all over the map.
Yeah.
97.
He said it was a work of art on its own level.
And in 2016 he said it was problematic.
And in 2023 he said it was Turkey of the highest form.
And it, but the Crow and Basin are impotent, right?
Yeah.
And then when Curtis Hanson died, he was like,
it's pretty good movie.
James L. Royce.
I don't have any other what's age to worse.
Kind of a weird cat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think what's age to worse is hands down the opening.
And I quote, there are jobs aplenty and land is cheap.
Every working man can have his own house.
Where any millennials create you on a way in on that.
Just don't have a home.
Yeah.
Can working men have a home?
Yeah.
Greg is producing this from an Accura.
There's one other quote in the film that is obviously
very purposefully almost grown worthy.
But from downtown to the beach in 20 minutes is a heinous note,
which is just completely natural.
Unless you're driving a cab.
You're buying an interesting.
A couple of what's age to worse.
The fight that button actually have in the records room
when he catches actually like after Lynn.
Yeah.
He would have killed him.
Like the way he's like throwing him around the room.
He's like slamming his head into a filing cabinet.
And the guy is like a shiner afterwards.
That's also Russell Crowe's audition to be Wolverine.
That's right.
That's why he was.
I like when he throws the chair out of the window
to for no reason at all.
Just to be like, oh, god damn it.
I had somebody had to pay.
Something else we got to bring back.
Because just being able to be ruthlessly violent
in the workplace, just throwing furniture through windows.
Yeah, that was definitely an HR violation.
I don't think the day you've transitioned to talent
only is the day you make that.
As soon as I get a window out.
Yeah.
Do you think that the LAPD had HR?
No.
Right.
And then the only one that's thinking that
did they have it now?
I think it's a better question.
So Lynn, Dudley Bud Triangle.
Yeah.
That whole, like we're going to take pictures of X-Leigh
with Lynn to make Bud go crazy so that he attacks X-Leigh thing
is the one film only flourish that is a little off
because in the book, Inez, the rape victim
is actually the center of their love triangle.
So you think Elroy saw that part?
And so what the fuck?
Well, I think it's just almost as like,
why wouldn't they just have X-Leigh killed?
Like they're doing that to everybody else.
Like why?
I think that sounds insane.
But if somebody did like an adaptation of the book
of basketball and they had that caromalone third,
I would fucking lose my mind.
But you said you said your adaptation
would be to forget the entire text.
I think we got to game this out.
Who's making the film?
Yeah.
Is it an iris?
No, it's an iris.
It's a scripted film.
Nobody is.
It's 12-part documentary.
I have an easy category.
I will direct the 12-part documentary book of basketball
if I can reorder the book here a minute and a year.
Yes.
And the film festival beforehand is going to be killer.
The rough, low-handed Rubenick Parcho Joe
Bractian, where does an easy one?
It's the old lady who IDs her call girl daughter
and then has two other terrible scenes.
And looks like David Letterman.
Looks like David Letterman and drag.
Gwenda Deacon.
Just a zero.
The entire time.
Say her name.
What?
When somebody call and sick,
was there some Oscar winner that at the last second
like felt ill and they just had to grab someone?
In one scene, it's a vibe.
Like, okay, when she's identifying, that's my girl.
And you're like, well, that was really memorable,
a day player that they found to play that role.
Yeah.
Of all the people who show up on set
and you're like, let's reward this person with an entire
two more scenes.
Two more scenes.
Really bad.
You have a flex category.
I already did it.
It's Pierce Patchin.
You shot me down.
He said, it's not a nice house
and it's not architectural significant
and I should stop talking.
And so I will.
I thought it was a nice, I was saying.
I feel like his patch would have been splashier.
What is more?
What's his background, Pierce?
How did he make his fortune?
Business man.
H slinging H.
No, no, I think he's dabbling now.
But he's like, he's in his 40s or 50s at this point.
So like, what did he make his 40?
How did he make his 40s?
He's different ways.
He's good points.
I think he's emerged out of a world of blackmail and extortion.
Okay.
I had a major nitpick for this
that I was gonna do later,
but I'll do now since Sean brought it up.
I just think gambling's part of this.
I don't know how he misses it.
The guy's a business man.
You got H over here.
Yeah.
I got my call girls here.
The horse is here.
I have like a whole underground casino in my giant palace.
He's watching March Madness hit in parlor.
That was probably every boxing thing
the guys are going down there.
They're taking bets.
There's no way he's not doing gambling.
Yeah.
So there would have been this big missed opportunity.
The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.
How does take a word Andy?
You have done this before.
I don't know if I have a hot take for you.
Okay.
You don't struggle to find one.
I think this is like the perfect modern period film
in that it feels really true to life.
It has all of the sort of superficial like the cars,
the production design.
All of it looks like the 50s,
but it feels like a 90s movie.
It's like a modern film.
The acting style is decidedly modern.
Everything about like the performance
and the editing and the feel of the film is like 97.
Like you could put this up against usual suspects
and it feels very similar.
But then they take all of the know how of like
how to make a full on LA and more movie
and push it out there.
It's just like the perfect balance.
We should we should shed out Brian Raffer
your friends article on the ringer.com about 90s and more.
It really talks about why the 50s and the 90s
were decades that celebrated more
because they were decades after a big conflict
where the United States had a very clear like, you know,
self at least the way they thought of ourselves
that's boys got role to play.
And then there's kind of a moral mirace afterwards.
Yeah.
Take wasn't hot enough.
I'm coming in way hotter.
Yeah, that was warm.
I'm just telling you, I'm going to be squarching.
Sean, you go.
Okay.
Set up to fill there.
This is you can come in hot.
I'm just saying people are going to get burned.
The second best adaptation of the Wizard of Oz
of all time.
That's pretty good.
It's a good hat to say.
And and wicked and wicked forget it very far near the bottom.
There's bud, the cop with no brain.
There's Ed the cop with no heart.
And there's Jack the cop with no courage.
And then there's the victimized girl Lynn
who just wants to escape Oz and go back home to Arizona
and on Kansas and they all get what they want.
And Dudley is the Wizard.
He is the Wizard of Oz.
Who are the flounders and say,
well, it was really good.
Yeah.
I didn't invent that take.
That is something that has been suggested
about this movie, but that's really good.
It is good.
If you played dark side of the moon starting at
who invented that take and can we get them here
before the end of the board?
It's been really about since the 90s
because the archetypes of the characters are so strong.
And it's like, why does this movie feel so familiar
even though I've never seen this movie before?
It feels like getting trapped by Tarantino
in a kitchen somewhere and he's like,
what you don't know, man.
His healing confidential is just Wizard of Oz.
Man.
Mine is this is almost a new category.
The Pierce Patcher Award for most reprehensible movie plot
idea that was actually pretty awesome.
His business of high class call girls being cut
to look like movie actors.
I think it's kind of a brilliant business.
Great job by him.
Wow.
Yeah.
It's ahead of its time.
Yeah.
Like I think you could do this now.
You think he win Shark Tank?
I think he could do it.
He got a Shark Tank right now.
I'd be like, so we got the Kardashians.
We have Margot Robbie.
And I don't know.
I think I think in the room, I think Cuban boss it.
I, who knows Bill, maybe it's still happening today.
Craig?
I literally had this written down.
I was like, this guy invented deep fakes essentially.
Yeah.
Cassie, what ifs?
We mentioned McConaughey, he turned it down.
Said in 2018, really regretted it.
Russell Crowe turned it down and they talked them into it.
Nothing else interesting.
There was a Isabella Scrupco offered the lead female role,
turned it down.
I don't know if I believed it.
That was in one of the research things.
Gold my gold.
Gold night.
Is it one of the things, other things I saw
basing her was their first choice.
They really wanted her.
So who knows?
So there was a Michael Madsen as bud thing.
I didn't believe that one.
OK.
No, I, I, I kicked the tires on it.
I just think at 97 is Madsen getting a movie like this.
What about Michael Madsen?
This career was kind of to look like Russell Crowe.
I used to do that.
Yeah, this could go both ways.
We could start doing guys, too.
Yeah.
That's very, it's go on.
No, you can call it guys to look like other actors.
And then what would happen?
Look at this glint owl.
Look like I have.
Yeah.
What are you doing with it?
Fucking you having a catch?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm a picture.
I see our butt.
A best guy word is it.
Shiburgers Barbecue.
Shiburgers Barbecue.
So many that guys.
This is the best guy to go.
Run it's routes.
What a dude.
The pierced patchy, but just to make cool friends who look
like famous people.
I got my fucking Colin Farrell from Miami Blades.
I go get mojitos.
But he's just some dude from Nebraska.
Got off the bus.
Yeah.
I'm a dude from Mojitos.
I feel like he would do that.
Have you seen that video of the guy who hires the Tom Cruise
impersonator and just hasn't come over to his house?
I think I'm like one on one to make human desire.
Pamela Anderson is Lynn Bracken.
Did you kick the tires on that?
I just don't believe it.
OK.
I don't think they're going.
She's the year after a great history of this podcast.
Is when you'll decide a rumor is not real.
Listen, there's a sniff test all these.
And I just don't think Curtis Hanson was like,
you know, we should get Pamela Anderson to play.
I just don't see it.
And I think as the years pass, as we've discussed,
I think that people just start adding stuff
into the history of the movie.
And I want to start doing that for recreation.
Just popping on the IMDB trivia page.
Or Wikipedia.
You can just basically start adding shit.
That's that guy.
We have a ton.
We have for the for the common man, the Craig's out there.
We have straight iron.
Sure.
I think people, not everybody knows his name.
Rob Brifkin is definitely that guy.
We know him as a runner, Rob.
Ron, Ron Riffkin.
I'm going so much deeper.
The late, the late, the last D6.
We have Matt McCoy, the dad from hand that rocks the cradle.
Call back.
Wait, Matt McCoy also, who I will always
think of as Nicholas Sard, the replacement for Steve Gutenberg
in the later kind of police academy.
Thank you.
Five and six.
Great.
I was like, this guy's going to be a star
as big as Steve Gutenberg.
That's 10 year old.
My first podcast tape.
And then in one of the TV adaptations,
he played X Lee's dad.
Matt McCoy is Matt McCoy except for Craig.
There's a couple of other stuff.
There's a lot.
Yeah.
Alan Graf is the wife, Peter in the beginning.
I feel like he might have been in the most rewatchable.
He's a legendary, concrete, and strong coordinator and second unit director.
But yes, he has been killed in 74 rewatchables.
But I know that we have the same winner for this.
I'm excited.
Do you have Thomas Irrana?
What part was he?
He's one of Dudley's henchmen.
He was in, he's the fucking guy at the end of hunt for October.
And he's Russell Crowe's homey and gladiator.
And he's in limitless.
So great choice.
But that was not who I had.
There's another one.
John Morn.
John Morn.
Yeah.
That's who I have.
John Morn is always.
If you go for a police, you're talking about Paul Galefoil.
The guy driving the armored truck in heat is one of the guys that get in the prison fight
with.
Wait.
Yeah.
The first guy is driving the car.
Oh my God.
Are you serious?
Yeah.
The guy who's like, she's driving the armored truck and he looks over and sees the truck.
Does this?
She's the first guy in that.
You can't hear you slick.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cousin art.
You know, I can't believe you didn't notice that.
I'm sorry.
I mean, this is why you're you, man.
I thought you would have been riding with me on this.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I literally don't know that guy's day.
But I want to look at the fucking hunt for October gladiator.
That was pretty good.
What about Tomahone, though?
Who only plays chiefs of police.
Yeah.
He was, uh, he was American president Armageddon, Zodiac in Austin, Power stew.
He was NATO colonel.
He was Earth Corps ship commander in something.
And famously, he was the LMU coach in the Hank Gather's story.
Oh, I just put that into the appeal.
Who was the LMU coach?
Wasn't somebody famous?
Who was there off at the guy?
Paul Westeth.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
There you go.
But again, like, so that guy, he's typecast, but in a good way.
And he's telling his wife, yeah, there's this new Tom Qancy.
This is part for the general.
I think I'm going to get it.
I mean, he just kind of knows it's one of the chiefs of staff where I'm chairman of the
two chiefs of staff, no matter what.
The bigger hall is busy.
That's that guy.
Yeah.
Who do you have for Dan Waiters, CR?
I think this is straight.
Just there.
I don't know.
At him as well, unless you wanted to throw some dick stencil in it.
I throw Simon Baker in here as well.
Hmm.
Really, Simon Baker.
First Simon Baker, actually.
So that he has a different name.
That's always three.
You see that?
Yeah.
Yes, movie.
Did get my wife's attention when he came on, because you know, big double wears Prada.
Sure.
Who do you have with the mentalist?
We have family.
I never watched him.
Okay.
Recasting cast director, city, did anybody have anything else for that?
I do.
I do.
What do you got?
I want to talk something out here.
Yeah.
For Dudley, possibly.
Oh, it's point.
It's actually Irish.
Authentically Irish.
Yeah.
And if there's a hell your mother's in it.
Unquestionably fucking evil.
The second you see him, no one is like, what a nice guy.
Small though of stature.
Doesn't not of charisma.
But is closer to like what Dudley was, which was just like very sinister?
You think postuate communicates evil right away.
Yeah, don't you?
I mean, I know.
I know.
I know it.
I'm sure it's like, yeah, the name of the father.
He's so more.
But he's coming off the lawyer and usual suspects.
Oh, yeah.
Kobayashi.
Yeah.
Coming off that.
Yeah.
That's good.
And then I have Tom's Cromwell.
I keep growing in my estimation.
He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's going to be a wimpy.
Yeah.
The only ones I had was how about Campbell Scott or Josh Charles as exly?
Oh, good choices.
Is bail too young at this point?
I'm just trying to get an American a job here.
Oh, I see what you're doing.
So Damon, it should just be Damon.
He could have done this talented Mr. Ripley, Goodwill Hunting and Rounder's All in a Row.
Would have been like, oh my god, the fucking goat is here.
Pretty good.
Yeah.
I like that.
It's one year after Larry Flint.
So Ed Norton is a possibility.
And he, you know, Ed Norton, that's a really good one.
That's an annual.
It's Andy Greenwald.
That's why I'm here.
So Ed Norton was American History X and Rounders in 97.
So without a problem, been available for this movie, but would have been a really good
exly.
I think so.
Ed Burns.
Yeah.
You're before saving Private Ryan.
She's the one is that 96.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ed Burns is actually Ed Burns was a hard boiled detective in a TV show like seven years ago.
What was that show called?
Yeah.
What was that show called?
Great question.
I watched some of that show.
Was he a detective?
Yeah.
Obviously Ed Burns long Island got stock for life.
Andy, you have a flex category.
I do.
What was his show?
What was it?
Public morals.
Yeah.
My flex category is probably, let me find it, but it was probably could have guessed that
I would have chosen this.
I chose the big Goona Burger category.
But I don't know if I did it right.
So there are a couple opportunities to discuss food and drink in this movie.
How much time do we have left?
Right.
I mean, generally, this maybe this also goes into the Floyd Gundall.
Like I really like movies is set in an era when there are no choices in liquor stores
to walk in and you say, give me a box and in that box, I want gin, scotch and vodka
and guys like, okay.
I don't know what the hold up is, too.
Like I feel like he could have been doing this more quickly.
Right.
And so no other options.
It's also just great to go into stores where people are just dextue.
You from behind the counter and like we're just like, yeah, don't worry about a Yelp review,
man.
I feel like Nick from Nick's liquor's entire performance was AD ARG for some reason.
You never see his face.
It always sounds like a very strong voice.
Also speaking of drinks, I really feel like Stensland, you know, probably is correctly labeled
as a Melcontent and maybe not a good cop.
Pretty fun at parties, considering his mixology abilities when which he takes dark liquor and
light liquor and just pours them into the box.
The eggnog at the same time.
Shadow of the Formosa, which still exists.
You get a good meal there.
I don't think you can like Johnny Stompanato have a daytime Schlitz there and just with
the company of your own thoughts, which I did enjoy.
And then the only other food really mentioned in the film is Matt Reynolds last meal, which
is pretty iconic.
It's a Frank Ferdur French fries, alcohol and sperm.
Tough one.
Tough order.
Tough order.
But maybe you know, restaurant menus were different.
That's the secret menu you would end it out.
Yeah, Dudley picked that's a chat panel style.
God damn.
I thought it was just a truly amazing.
No.
I can't believe Sierra went to Zending.
Half-assternet research.
No building in LA back in the day was led to be taller than City Hall.
So they had to basically cheat all the care more.
So we wouldn't see any buildings at that.
So they had the fight scene with Guy Pearson, Russell Crowe.
It was shot four months after Principal Photography then did.
And Pearson shaped his head for another movie.
So he's got a wig on.
But I didn't really notice the wig when I was watching it.
I'm wearing one right now.
The cop that congratulates.
Actually at the end is Darrell Gates, famously of the LAPD.
It's a weird movie.
I'm very surprised to see the least.
Very strange choice.
Not ideal.
And then you mentioned the rape victim and as in the movie, who then disappears after
one more scene.
And the book, she's huge and with X-lay and they just cut all that out.
And works for his dad.
Yeah, it's crazy.
And then the level house is here.
That's Patchett's home.
It's a famous house, as we mentioned.
Back in the house is at 501 Wilcox, which is, which is, we talked about next to the
Worsher Country Club.
The current inhabitants just had a broadcast.
Yeah, sorry.
Sorry, guys.
And then the victory motel was built.
Yeah, they just like the location and they built the Inglewood, like the oil fields
out by their, yeah.
Apex Mountain, Crow, no.
Spacey.
This is, I think there's a case to be made there.
It's either this or American beauty, but I like this because it sets up American beauty
and I wrote down some things.
The run is in.
Okay.
Guy Pierce, it's Momento, although it didn't really turn in anything after Momento,
like we thought he's a great crew.
No, but I'm saying after Momento, it's like, I think post the brutalist it might be
now.
Wow.
I think he is very well regarded as an actor.
It was a film.
Okay.
Can you see Brutalist?
2024.
You start Brutalist?
I think you made the right call.
Wow.
Ten minutes.
It's shameful.
It's here.
Not all of us have to watch every movie.
We can pick and choose it.
It was not for best picture.
It wasn't like, it was pure piece of shit.
It's like, you're a piece of shit.
Where's my stuff?
It is.
But really, it could have been a TV show.
Okay.
I will assassinate both of you.
Tell you what.
I know they're sicker for you.
I never finished Babylon.
Okay.
My main concern, Sean, I'm with you in terms of Guy Pierce being an interesting actor who
will age into different gravitas.
He should probably stay offline.
I don't know if you've seen some of his recent retweets in quotes for current global actions.
Let's just say that I, the tenor of his tweets suggest that he was pro Danny DeVito being
cast as sit Hutchins.
I say he would not want someone else cast in that role.
Oh, no.
Throw that out there.
Okay.
So you want him abolished from society?
What are you saying?
I just wanted to take his phone away.
Stop please.
CD LA, New York crime movies, Chinatown, Apex Mountain.
Yeah.
Got to be right.
Yeah.
Basin error.
I don't, I really don't think this was Apex Mountain for her.
I think it was in the 80s during that nine and a half weeks stretch.
Did she do the get away after this?
She was before this.
She was before this.
She was before this.
I think it was nine and a half weeks Batman like that arrow this up with.
Some everyone loved her.
Some well-deserved pictures.
She married Alc Baldwin and I think she she scaled back a tiny bit after this.
But they weren't they married before this movie?
They were married during this film.
Yeah.
I saw No Mercy in the theater with my mom.
Her next movie was eight mile five years later.
She's willing to throw that out there.
She took five years to see with your mom.
No mercy with Richard Geer and Kim Basinger with their handcuffed together and trying to
escape in New Orleans.
And there was I got him that I don't know this movie.
It's bad.
I haven't seen it.
I really want to see it.
I hadn't been hanging out there and we went and there's a point.
I'm like, wow, this is a weird one is big with my mom.
Yeah.
I wish kind of wish I wasn't with my mom.
It's amazing that just 90 seconds ago you were like, I don't have to see every movie.
But you're telling us about the person you see No Mercy.
Geer and Basinger.
Come on.
Yeah.
Let's turn out to be legendary.
Ah, frolic room.
Wait, hold on.
I have a question.
Do you think that eight miles rewatchable?
I don't love it.
It's an interesting time cap.
So I don't know if I know.
I don't know if it exists, but I wouldn't like get the 4k.
I wonder if my just of being a few years younger makes me like that movie a little bit more.
You were more of an I was more indeminant.
That's right.
Yeah, he spoke to you.
Frolic.
Well, that being peaks with Bob DePlay in the opening seconds.
DeVito now.
It's a critical part of the film.
Evil Cromwell.
Is he Ben Evil anything else?
He's bad.
Bad in a couple of things, but not the devil.
What's your favorite Cromwell?
What's this?
Oh, God.
Well, he really is good in that Star Trek movie.
I think he's very good in that.
But succession was good.
And yeah, I really loved him in succession.
He's uncle, that's my favorite.
He's really good.
He's hilarious in that because he's his him and Nick Nicholas broader genius together.
He was the president in a Jack Ryan movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I think this is like maybe his Mike Harrison Ford Jack Ryan or which no, it's the
Ben Affleck.
He's excellent in this.
I probably, I might say this.
Toilet face dunking.
I still think it's San almost fire.
Okay.
50s LA.
Maybe capture a movie.
Dangle a guy out the window to get out the window.
The window.
Big Lebowski.
Pretty good one.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Good.
I've got a special big picture episode toilet dunks.
That's a really good first go time like a June.
Be like two and a half, three hours.
Of course.
I would pay $10 to watch Amanda watch four hours of guys getting dumped in a two.
Do we have four hours of that much footage?
I gotta say, whenever there's a toilet dunk, I always think about the actor.
And if I had been the actor, like how many times I would have asked the crew, are we sure
it's clean?
Nobody's going on that on this.
Yeah.
Who cleaned it?
Like I just can't think anything worse.
The San almost fires a good one because it's like a pretty like grungy bathroom.
Yeah.
Handcuck park movie houses.
It's probably the, it's the Howard Hughes house in the aviator.
I still feel like that.
And that's on the eight hole.
It's on the eight hole in Wilshire.
It's when they land the plane.
But he's in that.
I feel like that's the pretty great movie location of all of them.
Cruiser Hanks.
Oh, wait, can we do one apex mountain here?
Yeah.
For me, this is the apex mountain of guys getting shot in the heart.
Like the dude watching the cartoons.
Yeah.
I'm not sure if you've rent free in my head forever because of the noises he makes after
being shot and the attention paid to Kevin Spacey's post heart shot.
It's very good.
I feel like they had a shot in the heart and something's on the stone.
After the, it's like you don't need to work.
That guy's just shot him in the heart, checking the whole shot.
Yeah.
Offer a shot if it's double tapped and then a guy gets a head shot after because wing
grows like.
That's a good one when they get him in the hotel room, but then he gets shot in what movie
was that Chris?
Yeah.
We have a future syrup over here.
Craig Worldbeck.
Shot in the heart.
You die instantly, right?
No, I don't think you do.
Which is why when Russell Crowe shoots him and then go immediately checks his pulse, I
guess he wouldn't have a pulse if he was just shot in the heart, but it has been literally
like two seconds.
Yes.
Because we see Spacey die and he gets to, he gets 20 seconds to deliver the line of rollo
of what is it?
I don't see.
I don't think I would have.
So they kind of flushed a little bit.
Sometimes you die instantly when you get shot in the heart.
Sometimes you don't.
It's an integral.
I don't, I mean, I think your brain still works.
So it's amazing to have five doctors here and not answer this question.
Well, we're all about to be able to tell us the answer.
All of the things that are reported to the CDC are all.
How many games could Jason Tatum play after getting shot in the heart?
See, right, right back at it.
Don't tempt O.G.
Annovia's all I'm saying.
Cruiser Hanks.
Hanks is Hollywood Jack.
Cruiser is actually is what I was thinking as well.
I'm sure I cruises actually was the other choice.
So we go cruise.
I think Hank later hangs as Dudley.
Oh, that would be a great twist.
Casting because you'd never go heal like that.
What's the closest he can?
Elbow to a tradition.
No, he did, he did it in a tradition.
What's the Wachowski's movie?
Cloud Atlas?
Cloud Atlas, yeah.
Does he play like nine guys?
He plays like four characters.
He plays for the doesn't play a villain.
Yeah.
He haven't seen it.
No, this would have been good for him.
I think for the catalog.
He played one villain in the 90s.
Well, the other shit he did would have been good.
Do you think it would be fun to be a watch Cloud Atlas?
I do think it would be fun.
Yeah, I think if we could get some
a half-level bill last time,
Cloud Atlas would be a better game.
I don't think it's your speed.
But you're not a Hanks completist.
That's something we can say about you.
You haven't seen them all.
I haven't been happy with the 21st century in Hanks.
I've been on the record for a while.
I know you have as well.
I wish he did some different things.
He's trying a lot of new instruments.
They don't all sound good.
I think when you fly as close to the sun as he did in the 90s
and then with Castaway, at some point,
it's like, I've won seven titles.
What else do you want from him?
He only seems happy in the West Anderson movies now.
He enjoys it.
He's good in those.
I think he's good at that.
He's in Cranston.
Yeah.
Scorsese Air Spielberg, clearly Scorsese.
Yeah, but I do think it would be interesting
to see Spielberg have the way that this movie
exercises some of the gross stuff
from LA Confidential and also makes the characters a little less.
I mean, actually is like lies about his war record
in the novel.
There's a lot of stuff about these characters.
It is even worse.
But if you kind of gave Spielberg this script,
I do think it would be good.
That being said, he wouldn't cast the veto
as the hush-hush editor.
That would be that much.
Thank you.
A hundred percent.
Absolutely.
Yeah, that's true.
That's great.
That's a great pick.
Oh my God.
That would have been great.
Sean, for this category,
I feel like you have to stand up for the working director
like Curtis Hanson.
Because again, if it Scorsese or at Spielberg,
it has a very different point of view.
Okay.
That's not the game.
I have to pick.
You have to pick.
One thing I will say about Hanson that he said
that I thought was really interesting
is he was like, I like suspense films.
And that's not really a word you hear.
Like we talk about thrillers all the time on the show.
This is often called a crime movie.
This is a suspense movie.
The way that like a lot of Alfred Hitchcock films are
where you're just like,
really want to know where it's going and what's going to happen.
And you're kind of like you're locked in like,
we were saying there's just not a lot of fat on the movie.
And because of that,
if you look at almost all of it,
the River Wild is the same thing.
Where the whole time you're like,
where is this going?
You like that movie?
The River Wild?
Okay.
And I like the remake too.
I watched on Netflix a movie called Gaslit by My Husband.
It's right there in the tool.
It was in the finished battle.
First of all, it was amazing.
It was a lifetime movie.
It was number one on Netflix.
Had to check it out.
And I was just riveted the entire time.
What do you think about suspense?
What happened?
Or gaslit by My Husband?
The title was Gaslit by My Husband.
Was this, was everything I wanted?
Did anybody appear in it that we would ever have heard of?
Didn't recognize one actor?
Okay.
Will the algorithm on Netflix just roll
from this rewatchables right into that film?
Can we arrange for it?
When we do the,
when the after-sear months,
when a gaslight by My Husband is the next.
Gaslighting month is a good idea.
You could do the film Gaslight.
Craig, check it out, Liz.
I think you guys would like a gaslight by your hood.
Yeah, she,
she's basically thinks she's going crazy,
but he's doing stuff to her.
And it's,
it's actually,
it actually would have been a really good movie
with better actors.
That's my one blurb.
I'd like to encourage you to check out
the 1940s classic Gaslight
around which this seems to be very clear.
Okay.
Clearly, it's my vibe.
Best tang, worst tang.
Best tang,
probably Lynn,
can bassing her character.
That jack, jack.
Holly would jack.
Best hang.
Go to the frolic room with Holly would jack.
Pierce Patchy just the best hang.
Cool.
That was cool.
How's the hero?
He's got a golf,
he's on heroin all the time.
Yeah.
So he's chill.
Yeah.
Maybe four hours ago with Pierce Patchy would be fun.
Probably eight hours.
I know how to get into all the clubs.
I know like we,
you know, get a nice meal or something like.
Grease the wheels.
Yeah.
Dudley.
No.
Best or worst?
No.
He does like his whiskey for Myrland.
Drink that good line.
I know the secrets of the world.
Where's tang?
Stendlin.
No, no, no,
Mrs. Lepert's.
Oh, yeah.
That's the dead body.
I actually, but he's right.
Yeah, you're right.
Pickin' Nets.
I mentioned the gambling really bothered me
and then there was no gambling in this movie.
Kim Basin was prettier than Veronica Lake.
It's a Veronica Lake research.
Hold on, hold on.
No, I just think.
Hold on.
Hold on.
I just think like,
she's right.
I just needed to dye my hair.
You're hotter than Veronica Lake.
Um, that's a subjective opinion, right?
Like, whoever's hotter.
She, I don't think she looks like Veronica Lake.
She is.
Nor do I think she acts like Veronica Lake.
No.
And so she might be the actress
who most looks like Veronica Lake at that time
who would make sense for the movie.
But Veronica would have cast that differently
if anyone who went to the movie in 1997,
who never was.
Veronica Lake was,
except for like the film nerds, right?
Yeah.
But like, even just the way that Veronica Lake,
she's way more playful actor.
Yeah, she is like way funnier and isn't like a lot of light
comedy in the 40s and Kim Bissinger's
not a funny actor at all.
No, no.
Do you think the lady who's,
they think is a Lana Turner look alike,
but is Lana Turner, in fact,
looks like Lana Turner?
I thought that was pretty good, actually.
Yeah, I did mind that one.
Um, Lana Turner and Johnny Stopinato,
by the way,
weren't together until a couple years after this movie
wrapped up, which was.
They shut it.
Mm-hmm.
Anything else for Nippex?
A lot better than what's his horse.
There's a lot of,
um, it's actually not that fun to go searching for
Nits for this movie because there's like a thousand people
being like actually plastic ketchup bottles weren't invented
until the 70s and the books and pierces bookcase.
The only knit that I really bugged me on rewatch was,
there's the scene where Dudley's like, Edmund lose the glasses.
I've never seen a police officer wearing glasses and then it cuts
a stencil and pouring liquor and the first guy with this cup
is fucking four eyes.
So I feel like Dudley just left that party.
Yeah.
Come on.
Sequel prequel plus C-T-B-L Black cast are untouchable.
So in 2020, Brian,
Brian Houghlin, the writer,
said there was a sequel that was in development,
which had with Bozeman who then got sick.
Um, and they decided not to do it.
Not based on an L-Roy novel.
It was set in 1974 and Crow and Paris sort of both been in it.
Like, and it just kind of fell apart.
Yeah, and how would the research say?
Instead, Warner Brothers passed and he said that L-Roy was either
on board or had been spoken to.
Okay.
Interesting.
Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins,
Fergie the Flores, Zane Low, or somebody else?
What do you have here?
I just wanted, like, I just wanted to just shout out the other TV pilot.
Oh.
Because there were two.
There was one in 2003.
You can watch online with Kiefer Sutherland as Hollywood.
And the trio logo during the hey, they have trio.
The trio is brilliant, but canceled when they would have pilots.
Now we're really good idea.
I have other way.
I wish we could do that.
But the one that was for CBS 2019 is pretty compelling because it was created by a writer named Jordan Harper,
who wrote a book we love called Everybody Knows.
And it was Walton Goggins as Vincent.
It was Shay Wiggum as Stensland.
Then a bunch of other like good working act like Mark Weber was Bud White.
And Harper's whole pitch was that he was going to spread out time.
And so the night owl wasn't even going to happen until the second season.
And that's like, you can't, we'll find that one.
You can't find it.
I've heard that it was very good.
And that also CBS never ever would have made it because it was a very strange choice for CBS 2019.
So I can do a show like that on network television.
It was an error when I think they were taking swings to try it.
Like, will we become cable or will CBS was like, can you move it to Chicago?
Exactly.
And just set it in a fire department.
I mean, you can never leave the fire.
If we just called it cops, Colin Los Angeles.
Yeah, it probably would have been on the fall schedule.
Sorry, De Nara.
What do you got, CR?
You have Wayne Jenkins for the floor, say hello to anybody else.
We've had Zane every week this month.
Dudley, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Here we are from the streets of Dublin to the boulevards of sunset, the city of angels.
And you, you've always held that badge high.
That's your journey.
But now you're on the other side of the law.
So tell me, tell me how you got there.
Tell me what you planned to do with all that H, the rackets, the sin, the vice.
Just explain it all to me, man.
Just explain it.
Explain it.
Explain it.
Why did you say you've been in the cops?
Say it.
No.
It was dangerous.
It just launched cop talk.
And I was just talking to fictional and non-victual cops.
Amazing.
But he talks about their career high points.
Yeah.
I mean, everything is like as if they're Harry Styles.
It's like, you've just, you know, you're all the sounds you feel.
You're hearing.
You're bracing people.
Harry.
I thought for sure you were going to have them interview this time of Baker character.
It's been a rougher for you, man.
Matt Reynolds last meals.
A hot dog with a top of semen.
But here you are, man.
So close to badge of honor.
I can't.
It's in the, uh, it's in the brinthal zone where I can't make eye contact with you when you
start doing it.
Uh, it's transformed.
It's a full body.
Have you ever watched the Zane interview?
Yeah.
Because of Chris.
Oh, he encouraged it to say, you know, I didn't encourage, I didn't tell you you have to watch
a Zane interview.
Did I?
You tell me to do lots of things.
It's like I was when, when, when, when Zane, like interviewing Adele or whatever was happening
during, yeah.
And, and Julia and Chris were both so into it.
Yeah.
They would show it to me.
And I'd be like, this is nothing to me.
I don't know what is interesting about this.
Like, it's fine.
It's an interview of an artist.
It's just walking around the office with a computer showing it to different people, hoping
to connect.
Um, but what you've done with it, you've transformed it today.
The return of that.
This is fucking playing a little.
Uh, just one Oscar.
Who gets it?
Dante Spanotti.
Nah, you fucking blacked out here.
The cinematographer.
I Chris explained it so well.
I thought, which is like, how does this movie doesn't look like it's trying to be a 50s
movie?
It looks like it's trying to be a night movie.
Titanic one.
Yeah.
This movie actually won two Oscars and lost seven and it lost all seven to Titanic.
Oh, tough beat.
Dante has an incredible, incredible CV where he's also known as working as being the primary
DP for Michael Man and Brett Ratner.
Yes.
He shot parts of Melania.
He did.
Man Hunter and X-Men the last stand.
I think I read a Q&A with him about Melania where they're like, what are you doing?
And he was like, I'm a working journalist.
He didn't read by the New Yorker about it.
He was, he wouldn't blink.
He was like, yeah, I took the job.
I'd take it again.
He is, I believe, how old is he?
He's currently 80, 45.
Yeah.
It's a very well shot documentary.
Probably.
It's what questions.
You see, you haven't finished Babylon, but you have completed Melania.
I didn't finish Babylon in there.
I did watch the first 20 minutes.
You haven't watched Gastlet by my husband's completion.
The first battle for Melania.
I was about my husband if there was a sequel.
Yeah.
She's got to remarry haven't happened again.
Probably an answerable question.
Actually, like a whiff maybe gay.
Maybe there's something going on there with him and Bud.
What does Lynn say?
You can't fuck Bud by fucking me.
That was, I thought the tell and also like he was really now granted.
Lynn, it looks great.
Yeah.
But it's the only time he's interested in that the entire movie.
And it seems directly because of some sort of weird Bud thing.
But I think that's true.
I don't know.
It kind of by not having him take care of he nes.
Like it also undercuts a little bit of his white night kind of like presentation in the book.
I just thought that whole part was weird.
Then this is the biggest one to me.
Is it a better movie if Bud just dies?
Do we need to see him again?
It's kind of related to my own answer, Bullwitch.
What was Bud White going to do to support Lynn in Arizona?
What was Lynn going to do to support Bud?
The dress store.
She's going to do the dress store.
She's going to pay for the, he's going to be shot in the multiple months.
And she's going to want to know what they're doing in Phoenix.
He's got a hole in his face.
This is what I wondered like former call girl.
He's the implication that he can't speak anymore because he has a bullet in his talk.
That's in the book he can't talk more.
Yeah.
Wow.
And he's really surviving the two gunshots and then the one right to the face from five feet away.
That felt like a note.
I mean, it wasn't a note, but it felt like what we got to have is like the three good people in this movie handshake at the end.
We're surprised to see him in the car at the end.
Yeah, that was my flex.
The clearance warly should have died.
I do think he should have died.
It would have been better for his character.
Go down a hero showing him in the car.
I think the whole ending.
I felt a little deflated at the end of the.
Her line at the end is like some guys get the girl or whatever.
Yeah.
So you guys get the world.
I was getting an ex hooker in a trip to Arizona.
And then you see Russell Crowe.
I do feel like it kind of deflated a little bit.
I think you're just a death of Mike Tomman.
When they've been the Steelers folk part.
He's coming back.
So there's a case that this movie could just end at the hotel.
And we don't even need the last seconds.
Yeah, the patch.
We definitely don't need the the psycho ending with him explaining the entire plot.
In the uh,
Yeah, all the tops.
That's Elroy every.
Every Elroy book is like if there was a five 10 page scene of like they find the one guy who can explain everything.
And he does.
Is that the all time?
Why did you add this scene?
The psycho.
Person.
Like just get that scene out of there.
Turn the movie off as soon as people listening.
I haven't seen psycho.
They're in the big on attempted murder scene at the end.
Just end the movie.
I.
I've gone back and forth on the cycle.
And maybe we can save it for the psycho episode.
But I think it's psycho episode.
I love that movie.
I that would be great if you want to do psycho.
I love psycho.
But I look at what you acted as if you didn't just suggest it.
Well, I never actually thought he did the shot thing.
He planted the suggestion and then made the other person think they thought of it.
Uh,
But it's 1960.
We don't do movies that that far back historically.
But I would love to do that.
But there's two things running out of movies that we've done.
See our my vertical.
Don't you want to do vertigo?
Yeah, vertigo.
Talked about for a while.
That's but that's like a Hornie CR Hornie bill hall.
He's too.
Um,
Speaking of cutting women to look like other women.
That's a part of vertigo as well.
Speaking, um,
That's not like a big pastime of mine is cutting women to make them look like.
Maybe you can go to a cop land.
The thing about psycho is the psychiatrist explaining Norman Bates.
That part is terrible.
But the cutaway to Norman at the end with the fly and him like the voice in his head.
That part is great.
I was talking about the doctor explaining the four minutes.
Yeah.
I had a problem.
What do you got?
Do you think you'd be more entertaining if Shams adopted Sid's writing style?
Word around the form is that Lucas Slovenian sweetheart has taken his kids back to the motherland.
But while the baby mama's away, the cat will average 34 points again.
Hashtag Shams.
Hush.
Again, Shams is now portrayed by Robert Losez, which is problematic.
Problematic.
Problematic.
Problematic.
Can Shams, can we add Shams to the winch?
Check the same low category.
But Shams, Shams, Huggins.
Yeah.
This is great.
This is what Shams needed.
Yeah.
Reba,
Little boost.
Instead of him like going on first take in these shows, he could just that could be his little video thing.
Everybody in Boston is talking about whether the two J's will be able to show.
And what it means for the two P's paid and pritchard.
Oh,
Don't match that, Shams.
Why is this Robert Losez?
It's what's Robert Losez has shops as the.
As the Shams guy.
That's my team to be a voice.
You can do better than that.
Yeah.
Workshap.
That's good.
Secret handshake club member Billy had walked in this movie.
It's got to be the night.
Yeah.
It's been really good.
Secret handshake club member Billy had walked in this movie.
It's got to be the night owl coffee bug, right?
I am really to Masi.
I guess is that too big for what is what is it though?
I don't know because I don't know.
It's been.
It's been.
It's been.
It's something.
Specifically.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You've got to be the night owl that we could each share.
And if one of us is killed, that's pretty good.
We should come up with that.
There wasn't like was there a matches from the victory held time.
I had Jack Vincent's.
I think it's a different than memorabilia.
It's memorabilia, but it's secret handshake memorabilia.
Gotcha.
Okay.
So if I just had a night owl coffee mug and you were like, is that LA
confidential?
It's like one of those.
Like you almost have to like get it.
So you haven't seen me leaving Flirtle Lee business cards at your house.
Flirtle Lee business cards.
That's the last one.
I got to go on.
The opening scene of the movie, the opening montage.
They show you a hush hush magazine.
I'm going to go on the show.
I'm going to go on the show.
I'm going to go on the show.
I'm going to go on the show.
I'm going to go on the show.
I'm going to go on the show.
The hush hush magazine cover that says the line that DePito says in the beginning of
the movie of On Janue Dikes in Hollywood.
That would be mine.
The hush hush magazine.
Where would you leave that?
For the rangelome?
Just right there.
Just right there.
Just right there.
Just a magic bill getting On Janue Dikes in Hollywood served my nexus.
I'm searching for a tonight on eBay.
Just be like, yeah, all right.
I was going to watch Babylon.
The fuck it?
The brutalist is too long.
Yeah.
You guys laugh.
put on gaslight by my husband, get gaslit, give it 10 minutes.
You can see if you're still watching.
It would be a good bit for you, Sean.
Like, we're vlogging it.
Yeah.
Is there a sequel of this?
If it's funny, if you just logged it out of nowhere.
I'll watch it.
Look, I'll watch anything.
I don't care.
What's number one on Netflix that had my attention?
Coach Finstack, Mr. Mayor,
you wear a best-worst life lesson.
Some men get the world.
Others get ex-hookers and a trip to Arizona.
It's pretty good life lesson.
Best double feature choice.
We all have Chinatown.
Who framed Roger Rabbit?
Which is similarly a movie about this period in history.
Post-war detectives trying to solve a big cover up,
but also kind of a parable about the building of the highways
and controls the ways and means of the city.
What and where would you put up with this in a lonely place?
That's a great one.
That one's a little Hollywood inside.
I like touch of evil for that.
That's good.
Not to come.
I'm an LA movie.
I would also say as a kind of museum piece
more than an enjoyable movie,
the Brian DePaul and this Black Dahlia,
which there is now legendarily a director's cut.
I don't know if that's true or not.
There are Dahlia heads out there.
I mean, Black Dahlia is an incredible novel.
That's what I'm saying for the movie.
I think there are people who are like
there's a secret director's cut that would hold that hope.
Yeah.
So I think a really good semi-classic more
not as seen as some of the best known ones.
It would be good for this is the blue Dahlia,
which is features Veronica Lake.
Alan Ladd is the star.
It's about a guy who comes home from War War II
and takes a trip to Los Angeles.
And it's the only original screenplay
that Raymond Chandler ever wrote.
And he was nominated for Academy Award for it.
And it's like it's a pretty good movie.
It's not considered on that like Bogart class of Noir's.
But I really like it.
I have a double feature guest slip by my husband.
That's good.
Good choice.
I'd like to first though and then go in LA cops.
Did you ever want to step up in lonely place?
No, I don't know.
But you mentioned it wasn't good enough.
Who won the movie?
The entire remember it.
No, you guys are turning out each other.
I forgot.
I've been playing for a couple of hours.
I was moving.
Curse Hansen.
Come back to me.
I actually answered it.
I'll go with it.
I feel like I feel like pro has been minimized.
We have not talked about you might be right.
Pro is the answer.
Kind of won this movie.
Crow wins the movie because it sets up 10 years of Russell Crow being one of the biggest
stars we have.
And a feeling has to start with this.
It still matters.
Like is little as it happens where it's like you go to a movie and you don't really know
this person.
You leave the movie only talking about this person.
That's true.
And being like, oh, this is a new.
It's a new.
My life.
It's a breakout.
This is what are we going to do with this next?
How are we going to see him next?
Who's going to harness this rage and this surprisingly modest frame?
I also think he needs it for the IMDB, like just the collage of work.
This is a good one to throw in there because then he's got gladiator and of course everything
peaks.
It's a good idea.
I just have a beautiful mind.
The writers just keep this like an unadaptable book and they made a great script out of it.
That's fair.
All right.
Here we go.
Producer Craig.
What do you got?
I don't want to get crushed for this.
You don't like it.
No, good.
I like that.
I didn't love it.
I didn't love it.
It's tough.
Every time I listen to you guys by the end of it, I'm like, wow, maybe that was way better
than I thought.
But in the moment, I thought the lead three actors were great.
I thought the story was really interesting.
I don't know.
It felt just like a little cheesy to me.
I had a trouble with a lot of that dialogue.
I don't know if it's just great actors, tough dialogue or if that is kind of the style
of the new R50s world they're building and that's the way it's supposed to be.
But when it wasn't Pierce, Russell Crowe or Spacey and it was like the Davido or the
Kim Basinger mixed in with some of the dialogue, I had trouble kind of like fully get my hands
dirty with it.
That's when you're on Stewart's mock drafts.
No, I was locked in the whole time.
I can't.
There are a couple lines that are a little clunkier than I remember them being.
Like when X-Lees trying to get Jack to go and Jack's like, are you ready to pay the consequences?
Yeah, right.
Which I don't think is something you say or do.
And then I started, after I watched the movie, I was reading some stuff and then I was
like, oh, wow.
Library of Congress is saving this movie, preserving this film and everyone's like,
greatest movie ever made.
And I was like, oh, maybe I'm missing something and you need to watch it again.
I mean, I see what you see in the book.
I think it's a second watch movie.
Not I think the second time when you don't, you're not so worried about following the
plot that that's happening and you're just watching it for the actors and the choices.
It's a different movie.
But not only is it a 30 year old movie, but the lexicon of the film is 75 years ago.
So it's like basically a Western to you.
My thing when I saw the movie, I was relatively feeling the literate of old movies and I hadn't
seen the noirs that it was influenced by.
And so my relationship with this movie has deepened because of what it sent me back to.
That was probably how I felt about Chinatown when I saw it.
Where I was like, yeah, this is so incredible.
And then you go back and watch four years and 50s movies and you're like, well, it's
style of acting and the style of the performance.
One thing that's noteworthy is a lot of people have tried and failed to make movies like
this.
Like, gangster squad.
I think this is one of the high degree of difficulty.
Oh, I can see what they're going for, but that just didn't work or they cast them
wrong person or they have the feel for it.
So only a couple that have actually made it.
Or tried to be about too much.
Like this is going to the TV point.
Like the smartest decision they made was the one that was harshest maybe for L.
Roy superheads, which is if it's not about these three guys and their journey with this
one case, it's not in the movie.
What was that one afloch made?
It was an L.A.
But it was in the mid 2010s.
They lived by the gangster movie.
All the dead land.
Holly, no, no, I'm talking about it was sent and they live by night.
Oh, live by night.
Live by night.
Yeah.
But that's an example of like when you go way back and you're really going for 30s, right?
Yeah.
And I don't.
Yeah.
Good book.
I like afloch.
I don't know if that movie totally worked.
But but Holly would land would actually be an interesting double feature with this because
that's sort of about a similar.
A few years later in like sort of mid late 50s.
I this is a movie where I fully just cop to having on my 15 year old glasses where I
in 97 you went through some of the movies like I made a much longer list of movies.
All of which I tried to see or saw in movie theaters that like totally switched me on.
I was voraciously consuming movie magazines this time.
It was the game.
It was a Kronenberg's crash is that year.
Contact is that year.
Private parts, the Howard Stern movie night falls on Manhattan, the Lumet movie.
I know what you did last summer.
Wag the dog mentioned in and out in the company of men was a huge movie that event horizon,
liar, liar, like all of those movies.
I was really just starting to go crazy with the perfect.
Where I was like, I'm like me and I'm ready for it.
Good.
You're the same thing.
Yeah.
That's why I still support karate kid.
All those.
Purple rain inspector Todd.
Yeah, 15 I think is the key movie here.
I even thought it would happen with my son a little bit.
So your brain is just developed enough that you can start actually understanding movies.
And you think you're smarter than you are.
That's what and this movie is a really a good like you're grown up now.
Yeah, movie exactly right.
But it'll be interesting to watch Ben's taste development because we had video
stores and what was in the theaters.
Ben has everything that's ever been made like in his fingertips.
So when are we going to have maybe Zane can interview Ben?
Ben, you fell in love with Cuber.
So when you see projectile Mary, you see in a copy of a copy.
That's it for C.R.
But yeah, wow, we did it.
Five movies in a meal bag.
Unbelievable.
Thanks guys.
What a great favorite rewatchables month, I think a lot of bangers.
I'm sorry I couldn't close it out strong for you, but it's okay.
Listen, not a great time.
What were the highlights?
It definitely Matt Reynolds is last meal.
The highlights were getting to finally do Sicario and getting to podcast.
My guys, you know, what do you think of all this as someone who's known him longer than anybody?
What does that mean?
Well, no, I think it's it's it's shit.
I said like Zane.
What do you think of the artist?
Every month of my life for the last 30 years has been C.R.
month.
So it's just nice to see everyone else catch up.
Did you guys know each other with this movie came out?
Yes.
Yeah.
We this is our 30th anniversary this year.
Oh, that's sweet.
Unbelievable.
But we didn't see this movie together.
You were probably he was probably a party's 97.
I was probably going to see like C.R.
Who would you hold?
Good Sun style for their both hanging on a cliff and you had to save what you could only the strength to save one of Greenwald and Sean.
Yeah.
It's a tough question.
I've lived maybe save it for April.
I'm younger.
Yeah.
Sean has more to give.
My mom is furious that we didn't do any in the cruisers.
Well, we could still do it.
Yeah.
Now holding a hostage for the next C.R. month or yeah.
Will there be another C.R. month?
I think every March should be C.R.
month.
That's why we wouldn't do that.
That's exciting.
March madness.
Yeah.
That's kind of it's a T.O.
and C.R.
I'm glad there's a 31 day month.
It's not like women's history months.
Yeah.
February.
This is good.
We've cram five.
But it's one of the reasons we did.
I mean, the next when we do from hell month, I think that's going to be the peak of the real archival.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Can you do you have like a scouting breakdown?
Oh, fuck.
Can we do a perfect getaway from from hell?
No.
Is that's new art?
Wait, is breakdown the Timothy or down from hell?
Trucker from hell.
But isn't that dual?
No, the breakdowns different.
I mean, I love breakdown and I love J.E.
Brake and sane.
I'm a huge fan.
Another another similar Curtis Hansen style guy.
I'm Jonathan Mostow made that one.
My favorite one that's on the from hell month schedule is domestic disturbance
with John Travolta and Vince Vaughan.
Yeah.
Evil stepfather.
Who's who?
Remember this at all.
Who's the evil stepfather?
Vince Vaughan is the evil second husband to Terry Polo.
And John Travolta is the first husband.
And he thinks something's up with this guy.
It's a, it's a, you guys didn't notice that there's something up.
Is the message disturbance Harold Becker?
I think it is.
I think the perfect getaway from hell.
It's the people we meet on vacation from hell.
Oh, you're talking about the Steve, the Steve's on one.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I like that movie.
I love that movie.
Yeah.
It's a good one.
Good little.
You're familiar with that one, Andy?
No, I love this is like seen under the hood.
It's a really good twist is how it gets made.
Don't spoil it.
Good.
Why movie?
It's good.
Why go on location?
Which one is this?
Uh, perfect getaway with Steve's on.
I know.
The old, uh, Milo Joe, which you told Hawaii.
We should go to Hawaii.
Record it there.
Could we do a live show in Hawaii?
Get meft out.
Yeah.
Sounds great.
Great.
Great place on earth.
So please.
All right.
See our month.
Thanks, Craig.
We're all back.
Thanks guys.
Thanks to God.
I'm so honored.
Eduardo as well and everybody else that the ringer great to be in here.
In the studio, we'll do any time we have three or less.
We're doing.
We're doing my studio.
Yeah.
It's just.
But I thought for four, I thought this was good.
How did it feel?
It felt great.
It's like riding a bike.
You can listen to the city.
Our idea in the watch.
See our show on a big picture.
And we'll see you in April in the rewatch.
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