Havana Syndrome: Elaborate Hoax, or Sinister Spycraft? Plus, Checking in on the Charlie Kirk Conspiracy.

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So today, Justin, we're talking about a vanis Syndrome. The previously thought to be controversial.

And then we're talking about the original.

Energy directed weapon that has been.

I'm sorry to use this term, but zapping the nervous systems of various US government personnel across the globe beginning in Havana in late 2016 American diplomats and intelligence officers in Havana started hearing strange sounds piercing sounds popping sounds.

And they got vertigo. Then they started coming down with cognitive problems, the FBI send investigators to investigate and the diagnosis.

At least from jump and for the next kind of several years was like a mass delusion event sure like everybody having like a mass anxiety attack about this within two years, the same symptoms were popping up in China.

Then in to B. C. Georgia Vienna Warsaw Moscow, cash can't London, etc, etc, etc.

And these were all government personnel that worked on Russia seem to be the thread connecting everybody a D.O. D. official at NATO.

And FBI agent in her home in Q.S. Florida, there were over 1500 cases apparently across 96 countries, the people being hit were not random again.

They all seem to have one thing in common, which is that they worked on Russia.

The government's official position was at that time that this was probably not real.

Very unlikely is the phrase they guess used a lot to be a foreign attack. Yes. Five of seven intelligence agencies still say a foreign adversary is very unlikely to be responsible.

However, there's been some pretty significant reporting lately, including by 60 minutes, their spigol, the great German journalistic outfit and the Washington Post basically corroborating that this device exists.

And stating that in fact, the Department of Homeland Security and one of their rare successes in recent years purchased a version of the device off the dark web Russian black market, which is not uncommon.

You know, the times of tough in Russia it's hard to make some extra scratch. So a lot of the ways that that can happen, at least for people who are involved in the military and the government is selling stuff on the black market.

So apparently they one came up for sale on the black market. 15 million dollars. 15 million dollars brought to us from our Ukrainian friends who are like, hey, you guys you guys interested in a event.

We bought it and apparently it's real. So is it true that it's less, it's more software than it is hardware like they don't all they're probably not all going to look the same.

If you were to get a hold of these devices that were used for this or they might I don't know. Well, it's interesting. They it's described in the 60 minutes report.

And the Washington recent Washington Post report as backpack portable. So like the size one would guess of like some textbooks in a backpack that just based on the fact that it's probably microwaves.

There must be some sort of dish or way to aim it and that yes, that it's specifically the way anybody who's worked with synthesizers or understands like a waveform.

And that it's specifically the way the waveform is pulsed at microwave frequencies that it's like a quick like it's a rise and then a quick down is the way that this beam is directed to affect the central nervous system of it's the people that it's aimed at and that it can go through like several hundred feet of

drywall windows, et cetera.

I was surprised here about the software hardware distinction just because my dumb brain when I hear this stuff is just like, oh, they're making the this is this is what a handgun looks like.

This is what a knife looks like. This is what the vales syndrome weapon looks like or whatever I realize what's terrible examples because guns can look like a lot of different things and knives to but maybe take all that out Sarah.

But yeah.

Now let's talk about like the skeptical case just because I think it's important that you know for because for a long time, I think across several administrations.

Yes, there was a lot of skepticism that this was the real thing.

It was treated like these were psychosomatic cases in some form or fashion.

Yes, based on anxiety post-traumatic stress or that there were underlying conditions that had been reported or it was environmental one of the early cases.

There was, you know, there's always a sound that they talk about being associated with this.

A crickety sound, a popping sound.

And they tried saying that it was crickets, right?

And I think in the public too, there was a lot of skepticism early on and whether this was actually a legitimate thing.

But it seems like that's eased up a little bit lately and I don't know.

Let's go through the skepticism is the skeptic's case first, right?

Well, the skeptics case is that they sent a lot of these victims to the NIH, the National Institutes of Health for a Study, which if you listen to some interviews by from some of the people involved in these attacks.

They were kind of pissed that instead of being sent to a doctor who was going to be like, let's find out who's wrong with you.

They were sent to the NIH just to be kind of studied.

But the NIH found basically no brain damage detected.

And DNI, the Department of National Intelligence, assessed that, you know, again, that it was highly unlikely this was a foreign adversary attack, no microwave emissions were detected at attack sites, no device was recovered at the scene.

There were no intelligence intercepts from known foreign adversaries talking about the device.

Now that is, that's changed.

Yeah, they gave us something was intercepted, right?

But this was at the time.

And that was the case for basically several years until the last two weeks of the Biden administration.

So that's important to note.

And then there's, you know, there's a lot of people still to this who feel like this is a kind of like complex, sia, sia, to get people angry slash afraid of Russia and Cuba in general.

Sure.

And that, you know, we must be doing equally as bad stuff, whether or not this is actually true, which I find.

My thing though is why cover it up?

That's my, let's assume that it's real.

And you know, assume that we have a device, there were some recent reports that seemed to suggest that we use like a similar device when we snatch Maduro in a totally legal raid on Venezuela.

Absolutely.

A fully above board totally totally fine.

There was one of the Maduro guards got on like who was a tape of him was played on some like right wing radio where he's describing like these crazy effects of some kind of like energy beam ray people vomiting and like bleeding from their ears.

And so, doesn't seem to be the same type of effect, although we do have projected energy weapons.

Mostly that just kind of like burn your skin.

Just pretty sure like really bad sunburn really bad sunburn when we want to like get riders away from the embassy or like force somebody out of a building.

You zap them through the walls with this and you microwave the outside of their skin.

But so my, I'm still stuck on why would you cover this up when 1500 people plus have been attacked with this apparently.

Well, I think that there are a lot of reasons right now and by no means I'm.

Look, hate to say it right off the top, but I'm not an expert right but I have none of us are physicists here.

It's exactly some of us.

Not for years.

Some some deep dark secrets.

But I do I think that look if there were things pointed to the Russians around the first Trump administration, you can understand why the Trump administration would not want to.

This specter of more Russian more Russian stuff.

Russian stuff interfering with us and like you know for obvious reasons, the election interference, etc.

His allegedly cozy relationship with with the Russians.

Well, I mean he does love them.

It's not that's not a legend.

What's alleged is that it's.

Viewers into like a legal territory.

He does love.

He's got a deep love for the Ruskies.

He does love them.

Yeah.

And then like look, I think on some level, if you're if this is made public and this is coming out, right?

Like doesn't this mean that you then have to find a way to respond, right?

Like isn't this on some level?

That's kind of my answer.

Right.

Like you kind of have to have a proportional response.

If you acknowledge publicly like, hey yes, this foreign adversary of ours is doing this to agents of ours, then wouldn't you then would as the way Americans operate would people be like, hey we got to go on.

I'm going to push back slightly on that.

I could see where under Trump assuming that he does love Russia as much as he appears to.

That if our people were getting hit by a Russian laser beam, microwave beam, I'm going to call it a laser beam occasionally.

Okay.

That's your show.

Because of that fondness, he'd be like, yeah, go ahead.

I don't want to get into it.

But when it gets into Biden, then it's confusing to me.

Like why wouldn't and to that end, this is like a war in the shadows.

You know, I just read a New Yorker article, great New Yorker article about a former CIA guy whose job was to.

Recruit Iranian nuclear scientists and basically say, hey, we can get you out of the country. We can get your family out of the country.

You can have safely in the US or you stay here and at like some point you're assassinated.

And so that's happening.

We do stuff like that.

Why wouldn't we just fucking go zap their guys?

I don't understand like it's clear that this type of behavior on the edges doesn't escalate into open warfare.

And the and Moscow is like very aggressive.

Like the Russians are aggressive.

There's this thing called the Moscow rules, which is a known way that intelligence agencies operate in Moscow in particular where, you know, if there's a state department official that's suspected to be CIA or even not suspected.

I just an American that works there works with the US government.

They'll go in and toss your apartment. They'll take a shit on your bed. They'll beat you up in the street.

Just to let you know like, hey, you don't get a moment's fucking piece, right?

So why could I put in your pet something like that, right?

Right. Yeah, they'll do stuff like that.

So I guess I don't understand how I don't think this would escalate to World War three.

If we just like sunburned a Russian guy through his, through his condo walls.

Sure. I mean, I think that on some level my understanding is there's some bureaucratic considerations within the CIA that have led to this conditions of this denial of this thing, right?

Where under John Brennan in the Obama administration, there was a lot of tearing down of the, and this is a lot of this comes from Michael Wises reporting and inside it, right?

But there was this tearing down of this silo and some McKinsey de Weeb came up with the term modernization for bringing the agency into its next generation where there were two sides in the CIA.

He came up with got you. I was like, he came up with the word modernization.

I thought we had that one on the book.

Now, right?

But there are, there's the operative side and then there's the analyst side.

And these are, you know, they work for the same agency, but anybody who's had a job knows that like those fucking pricks over an IT.

Right.

Right. They're just, they're different factions within the company within your company.

I love our IT people here. It's Spotify.

They're great. They're great.

They just shout out to them.

I don't want to disparage them.

These two groups are naturally skeptical of each other, right, because you have the analysts who are the people behind, behind the desk, with the computers, the more wonky types,

and then you have the operatives who are the ones in the field.

Now, the operatives are the ones who are experiencing these things, the operatives are the ones who are in these foreign territories, the operatives are the ones, if you look.

They're under tremendous stress all the time.

Yes, which is one of the other sort of

Skeptic explanations for things too is like this you're these people are under extreme stress

So these sort of things in the New York article about this guy who is recruiting or any scientist

It notes that like many of this guy's colleagues in the field

We're being treated for alcoholism because that's very

But I think that's also worth noting that like a lot of these people on the operative side the ops like this is gonna be the most like

I'm really not trying to come across as like two patriotic industry and a story like this or this podcast

But like these guys are

Lifers for this agency and these guys have been in really intense situations for us so for them to feel like this is happening as a result of

What they experienced and that they feel like this happen?

I think that whether it actually went down that way or not where I think we're gonna

We'll get into a little bit more as we go but like these aren't

People who are

inclined to

Drum up some things then get the workman's call okay

Here's several versions of reasons why to cover this up one

If you acknowledge that there are weapons that your adversary has that you can't counter that's embarrassing sure and

That is a gap that

Makes you look like you can't protect your people and is the kind of thing in a multi multi multi billion dollar defense establishment that

Nobody wants to admit number two

What you said

If you attribute it to Russia China Cuba whatever now you got to do something about it and nobody wants to go there

Which I don't again, I don't believe because like we we

Kill people, you know, you know, we you know, we pay other we pay warlords to kill people like an afferate like we do that

Yeah, but put put a pin in that to sure

I do think though that

The Biden administration there are a lot of Obama people there and they had there was a like conscious effort to

No, no

We were drawn in no, but to have a different relations with the Russians then

There had previously been in the past and there were a lot of people who were in the Obama White House in the Obama administration

That were also in the Biden administration where there were more normal relations with Russia, right?

so

I think that the bar to

Accepting this probably would have been a little bit higher and then acting on that if you accept that is true

Okay, here's here's another reason possible reason

That acknowledging a category of weapon

That a foreign intelligence service has would invite questions about weird weapons that you have and

Now you've got to answer to what you're doing

This is kind of I fall a bit here okay that

We're doing crazy shit all around the world

We're zapping people we're making them disappear sure if we're not directly

assassinating

Iranian nuclear scientists were passing their names to the Israelis and they do it

Which is part of why we I guess love having them around so to complain about this is a little bit like

Hey, let's look in the mirror

Mm-hmm

And then people will start to be like well, what are you doing around the world because I again I don't

I don't fully buy that we're just kind of like doing nothing around the world that's untoward and

Our guys are getting zapped and it's terrible and they've paid a terrible health toll

But that we're not doing something of that nature also that we just don't want to talk about

Okay, and this is not to say that like

That to me knowing nothing feels almost certainly true

I mean like oh and here's my

Here's my big brain theory about it. So

Back in the 50 starting in the 50s the Russians were

The we realized that the Russians were sending like micro wave radiation into the US embassy in Moscow

Like so called Moscow signal. Yeah, it was going on for years and years and years and

it's there's some

The theory is that there were passive listening devices

In the walls of the embassy somewhere famously like the Russian ambassador gave

The American ambassador like this huge like

Eagle seal of America and it had a passive listening device in it in the like right meeting room

And it was there for many years before it was found and the reason these are undetectable is that they don't emit a signal

You have to send a signal at it and then the signal bounces back

And then that's how you read and listen to the device so that they the signals that they were sending into the

embassy for years again for years were like modulating at different frequencies in the micro wave spectrum

And therefore the idea is like there's probably like dozens of bugs in

The building and that they're just trying to hear them now

We complained about it

a couple times Johnson complained about it president Johnson and then I believe our ambassador

Complained about it and was like could you please stop and they were like what are you talking about

And they're like no, no, no, no, you're doing it. Please stop like it's now. We said that

It's causing health effects to our guys now. Here's where it got it my theory. It's wonky

so in

The US we have a standard called the 10 milliwatt standard, which is

I won't get into the scientific details of it, but basically anything up to 10 milliwatt is safe

In the micro wave spectrum and that's like a very important spectrum because that's like radar

That's like guided missiles. It's like we use the microwaves for a lot of things

It was that number was picked arbitrarily

It wasn't picked because of like we did scientific testing that we blasted sheep with microwaves

It was just like some guy was like I don't know 10 seems good and then they just

Ran with that is this the guy who had the chocolate in his pocket? No, that's a different guy

We'll get to that's a really excited about the chocolate in this part. That's a different guy

And so when we were complaining to the Russians like hey, you're like blasting our guys with this crazy

They were blasting us with signals that like are a thousandth of the 10 megawatt standard

Like and in fact the Russian standard is like one one thousandth

Of the level of our standard which originally we thought they did that just to embarrass us and that it was fake and that they had a much higher standard

It's unclear that that is the case they've done the Russians clear they've done a lot of experimentation on microwaves

so everything that

from the

Comes downstream from 10 megawatts like

You can't

For instance 10 megawatts like you can't work on an aircraft carrier because you were blasted way above 10 megawatts

Like we don't even enforce it but like

It was unclear earlier in the microwave oven era if more than 10 megawatts was leaking from that

so

All of our conversations around microwaves are based on the idea that 10 megawatts is safe and therefore that shaped

Institutional thinking about

What was possible and therefore when this happened people were like well, it's not like it's undetect

We're not detecting it anywhere near 10 megawatts therefore this can't we're not detecting it therefore it can't be real

Therefore, this is fake do you understand what I'm saying it's not that it was a

Fully a conspiracy to cover up per se it was more that this arbitrary number has colored our thinking about what is possible in this

Electromagnetic wavelength

Sure, I mean I mean

Look I when we were preparing for this episode

I'm like the microwave stuff Jason's gonna have to kind of walk me through this

Because I've spent a lot of time my life staring at microwave

I've had my face blasted with technology my entire life and you know what sometimes I feel like I'm

Experiencing some of these symptoms. I well

I mean this has now we're gonna get into this is like kind of where the 5G. That's what I was gonna say

Yes, there's just really interesting

1970s two-part

article in the New Yorker on microwaves and it quotes this dr. Milton's erity did a bunch of studies on microwaves and basically was like

Hey, I don't think the 10 megawatt

standard is safe and

You know, honestly a lot of like the conspiracies about 5G about microwaves about cell phones in your pockets come

through this

but his

findings have never actually been reefed no one's ever actually done the study and we're at a point right now

And I'm not saying that microwaves aren't safe and that sell your little technologies and safe, but

An entire regulatory framework based on 10 megawatts has been put into place where if that is not safe

the liability the destruction of like future economic earnings the fact that we'd have to

like retweet entire technologies like around that idea is pretty significant so

What I'm saying is there's significant institutional reasons to act like that level is safe

Despite the fact that when we complain to the Russians we were using their standard not ours

We were using the 1 1,000th of 10 megawatts

So what do we think that

These Havana weapons like can we describe how that how that works a little bit how that would

Play into this

Well, I mean the the research

That Zara did is pretty alarming like there were several studies one called chimera and another one called bizarre

That study the potential effects of

It was thought that when the Moscow signal first appeared one of the things they thought was

They're using some sort of behavioral

Modification gray. It's gonna make us think different. It's gonna make us act different and

That those findings are still classified, but it is

There was some evidence to back that up found by Zara and other

Other scientists that if you blast cheap

The amount of animal horrific animal testing in these yeah, what's I get you know rats? I

I don't know rabbit's and dogs. Yeah, what the hell it's just horrific

But there was some evidence that people's personalities and behaviors can be changed

using this stuff and the experiences like

Sounds emanating from inside of your head popping

crackling

You know, this is probably your individual neurons being cooked inside your brain

And that's that's kind of the thing right like the

The standard is kind of based on what it takes like heat something up not what it takes actually fry

What's going on inside you right right and that's the other thing is this device did not create heat

Yes, whatever these people experienced it was not the feeling of what we think of

As the effect of microwaves on humans, which is like a burning sensation boiling

You know burning of the eyes etc

Yeah

It's I mean when you

Read about some of these things right like you talk up you see people who say that they've experienced this and they're talking about muscle deterioration

And then there's like one of the first cases one of the famous cases is this guy

Quoting quote Adam. He was a CIA operative. He was I think

He was stationed in Havana. I think he's considered patient zero though

There might be a couple cases that date actually

There's a case in Germany from 2014 that may be linked um

Adam talks about losing a certain percentage of his brain mass yikes as a result of this right

And then you have people that talk about they've lost vision in one eye and that's neurological

That's not just their eye being damaged. That's a neurological thing and it's like just horrific things

Going on inside of these people that

You know if we accept this all to be true or being caused by

microwave frequencies being shot off of a weapon

Here's the other part of it that I found fascinating. How do they identify these folks?

I mean you're talking about like C.A. agents

State Department officials who were potentially C.I. agents undercover. I guess like some of it would be the way we would find out like intercepts and whatnot

FBI agents working on Russia

but like

That's interesting too like how did they identify these folks?

Some of them I think we're out in the open like mock mark polymorepa list is one of the big ones not his real name

That's a code name

Okay, I went through all that trouble. Oh, it's not what we're pronouncing the name

Try to figure out how you say that. Do we think he's Greek? Do you think I

Don't know what he is. It's not his real name

That's not this is bothering me. Okay, but it's like I'm like gutted nail this Greek name

Well mark P not his real name

He says that he experienced it in 2018 when he was on an official trip to Moscow right you know he he was

He was I guess at least out there. I think he was in Moscow. We have reports of this happening in Havana

Of course in that time period after

The rest we reopened the embassy and the restrictions on Cuba were lifted under Obama

But like a lot of these things have happened in countries like

Vienna and

London places like London places that we know that like Russia has kind of had like free run of some stuff

Yeah, Vienna has known us like a spies haven

I will say the one that interests me is is Guangzhou in China. Mm-hmm because I just find it like hard to believe that

Tell me about this I actually don't know much about this one tell me about this one

Well, I mean it was an attack that there's not much details other than someone suffered the

of venez syndrome symptoms

In the city and I just find it hard to believe with the amount of surveillance that they have that like

there wasn't

The Chinese know about it not saying they helped but they were they didn't they weren't aware that that was happening because it's

China's like a very very hard place to operate because of all the

Surveillance the cameras the they're tracking you all the time. It's like Moscow. It's just very very hard to work there and

This leads to a so do you know about the opium hack opium breach? Mm-hmm. So um

A we think

Groups associated with Chinese intelligence like got into basically got into state department databases

That have like the list of government employees like a huge list of government employees

um and it says like

I don't know some 20 21 million like names and stuff like people who have worked for the government like over the year anybody's

like who associated with government work and

The feeling was that

Along with advances in AI technology like if you fed that

Database like into an AI cross referenced with a bunch of other data like

Social media etc that you could figure out who the spies were and like who the military people were and who the generals were and who the people who worked in various agencies were

and

You know one wonders if that's not part of it too that they just like have us dialed in I think the

You know there were a lot of specific cases and I think if anybody's watched the 60 minutes

reports

There were some cases cited in that that I have questions about okay, let's hear it

Well, there's the one on the steps of the White House right where the guy just like collapsed yes

And then there are just others kind of just in the general Washington area and I guess I I just have more questions about that

I wonder where you guys land on that because

If you're telling me this happens in Vienna if you're telling me this happens

I know that there was cases like a restaurant in Istanbul where like it happened

Yeah, like sometimes it's just happens on like they're commute yes people can get yeah

Well, you just like pointed the back but now I understand what you're saying because my issue is like

How precise is this thing sure right

Because presumably that person who was shooting the thing wasn't actually on the grounds of the White House right there

Would have to presume right well you can't leave a fucking backpack like on the grounds of the White House anywhere no

So I guess it could have been in a car down the street or something

But then again like how do you aim it that precisely?

It is stated in the 60 minute support that these things are remote control and that would be necessary because

The closer you are to the source of microwaves. It's like it

It's like a 10x

Yeah, a mount of the power that you're getting so for instance with the guy who walked

Apparently is on video walking a backpack into a restaurant in Turkey where an FBI agent or state department like

Person in their family or like having dinner

You

Apparently it's described as like the entire restaurant was just like immediately like oh

But like the guy who walked that backpack in

Must have just like gritted his teeth and been like fuck it. I'm like

I'm gonna take one for the team and just fry to get this guy

Because there's no way that person wasn't feeling it too. That's that is I mean

I get that like part of it in some situations. It is young just from far away and you're pointing it at someone

But the people that are doing this in a lot of these situations they must be feeling some of the effects

Right. Yeah, if they're close to anywhere close to it. They have to be sure like the cricket gone from yeah, I'm alive. We get the blowback

Um, can we talk about the chef? Okay, talk to tell me about the chef. Okay

This is the 60 minutes guy that's missing the guy who the reporter couple years ago. Yeah

Jason, how would you describe gru unit 291555 very little is known about it

But the gru is basically like our

CIA

Mm-hmm. They're an intelligence agency that the fsb is like their FBI. Okay works internally and the gru is like their CIA works overseas

Okay, and the unit 2915 sorry 291555. It's a cool name. It's a really cool name

It's like the excellent branding, but like these are kind of like I mean granted

That number would imply there are a lot more units

Right, you are you and I'm not familiar with the rest of them, but like this this sounds like like some of the scarish

They do that too though. They they number shit weird so you don't know they'll be like you know battalion 55

So you think there's 50 battalions and there's like they do that. Yeah, okay everybody does um, but this

So first of all like this unit has popped up

um

There have been sightings of members of this unit like allegedly in the vicinity of

Different reported Havana

Their cell phones were pinged and it's known that they were in that area or like the two 2014 one in frankfur

Um

Somebody identified a member who was a member of somebody identified someone in the vicinity

Who was a member of the unit 291555 this unit is like responsible for

Apparently assassinations around the world

aimed at like destabilizing things in europe

They also according to the CIA

Operated a Russian bounty program that offered cash reward

To Taliban linked militants to kill us. I mean that's so yeah everybody does that though. Yeah, but that's yes, okay

I'm sure they did okay. We have a chef who had some connections to the gru

uh

Vitaly Kovalev Vitaly Kovalev he was a security technical officer at gru

Who then came over to america and started working at russian restaurants michael in star

I mean chef like this guy loved to cook legend in two games

He was ever like cutting it up like over the over the chopping board or whatever like frying something up in the pan

What am I doing?

I'm fucking my dude and my life

I'm gonna go out tonight and go like microwave of fb i guys brain in his house

I just love to cook man. He's cooking all around right this this man. He's he's going with the microwave and the stove

You know so

Great year we what he was in florida allegedly visiting

uh

Not on a mission just allegedly visiting and um

He went please want to go pull him over takes off in his Mustang high-speed chase

They pull him out of the car. They find various things including passport

Device that can erase GPS data from vehicles, which is like that's cool. That's cool. That's great

Um, they put him in the back of the cop car at one point his glasses and by the way on all of the social media never wearing glasses

Okay, but his glasses are hanging over his face a little bit, right?

And he appears to be having a one-sided conversation with the glasses

Okay, just into the glasses about uh, uh, you know, just like I

I don't know like just things that would imply that like yeah, this this things are getting a little fucked up for me right now

glasses fall off its face mission um conversation stops

he

While he's in

jail in florida

He is interrogated by one fb i agent for over 80 hours just he'd only did two years in jail by the way

I mean, what do they really have them on other than

Come on

Well while they were interrogating him

This this agent spent 80 you said for 80 hours 80 hours not at once

I'm aware it wasn't they weren't just sitting there for it but this fb i agent later suffered

Symptoms yeah consistent with a vanicindral the um

The way that the uh, vatali story ends is he gets out 2022 goes back to russia um

They tell him not to go because it's like hey, you've been in american custody so long

They're gonna think you're an american agent don't go and he gets out he goes to

He gets shipped to the front lines of you crane go straight to you

Then a few months later they just issue a death certificate for him um

No, I don't know if his body was ever recovered

I don't know what happened but they issue that death certificate

Let that be a lesson to all you Russian agents in the us

If you get arrested first of all you're gonna do two years max. It's gonna be it's gonna be soft

Very soft, but when you get out do not go home

Don't go get get back in the kitchen. That's it do what you love

Look

Yeah, actually bronsom would love to have you on fuck that's the way

Like come on um, you can go on there after so far on was just on there go on there after him you know

I'm still like I don't know they let this first of all

We sure he wasn't a spy two years and they let him go

I mean we sure we didn't turn him they

Right right right right right and then after two years you're like good job

Uh, you know

Casing the home of an FBI agent with strange devices in your car

You're free to go

But if I go back over there

Yeah, don't don't go back go back

Don't don't go back. Yeah, it's not safe, but you know

So that that's a crazy story in this it's yeah, I don't know if I necessarily want to move on from the Russians

But another one of my favorite stories is something that

We were talking about before we came in here the Norwegian scientist

This guy so the Norwegian scientist mentioned in the recent Washington Post article who apparently in

2024 2024 built a based off of

Open source reporting about what this device the effects it potentially had and

Descriptions of the device that is just out there from the 60 minutes and other places

He kind of like reverse engineered a version of this device

In the lab was just blasting sheep with it blasted himself with it

And was like hey guess what it works. Yeah, he was hoping to disprove it

He's up in disprove and right and it was like guess what we figured it out

Yeah, like it works. You fire in that in your face

No, no, not a never well. I think you know here's an underrated part of this

I think we because we you know like we're in a very technically advanced society

You know, we invented all these incredible technologies that have changed the world, you know like how many

Computers around the world right now run on software that were created here, right?

So we have this idea of ourselves is very technologically advanced nation

You know, we drop the first atom bomb

Yada yada yada

And I think that there is a

Because of this I think we underrate that the Russians are

Experts in the field of microwaves have been working with them at least

I mean

1953 when they're blasting the embassy that's like 70 years ago at this point like this a long fucking time that they've been working on this tech and so

It's

Very interesting that not until 2024 was it even proven that you could do this with

Energy in that wavelength that you could have these kinds of effects

I have to ask the question sure

Do we fully buy this story about this

classified Norwegian scientists that you know

They the government anybody out there has not really confirmed his existence

Right, I have to ask the question this guy out there planning to shoot to shoot sheep with this with this microwave weapon and then start shooting himself in the face

Then all of a sudden starts experience in these symptoms, right? Like do we 100% buy this I

Look at pops up in the Washington post are you are you besmirching the Washington post as bedrag

Do that to Jeff Bezos is Washington post and I don't want to like look

I don't want to get in the game of calling other journalists work into question

But like they're operating from their sources right and we I guess right we would have to assume that they have seen things that would prove this

But like a lot of these stories stories are kind of scant on

much details

Sure

Because I you know again, I think a lot of this stuff is classified

um

But I trust the post you have it so what is your let me ask what is the conspiracy theory because of this is interesting to me

I'm just I'm actually just trying to to

Plant the seed to build up to right okay

The weapon yes because the weapon is the big thing and I think that has turned a lot of this for people right

I think there were a lot of people that were skeptical in the past and the weapon and we got it we bought the weapon

We got it yeah

I haven't seen

I would have I think I would have liked to have leasing like a sketch of what the weapon could look like

You know what I imagine is like a is like a ghostbuster backpack exactly that's exactly what I was I was envisioning right yeah

Like on to end like 12 C batteries

Just saying I go questions based on the scantness of the details well um would you like to hear about some

Energy directed weapon systems created right here in the old us. I would love that

There's a DS the active denial system it

Directs a millimeter wave directed microwave energy at humans causing like

Extreme heat on the surface of human skin causing pea-sized blisters in less than point one percent of exposure

Like it just like we'll burn you up. We used it in Afghanistan to get people out of like buildings that we didn't want to go

Um how about marauder marauder we got cool names. Yeah great branding magnetically accelerated ring to achieve ultra high

directed energy and radiation. I love they they came up with the name first and then the acronym second

Yeah, you can always tell

um this was

Used to high energy capacitors to create a toyroid of plasma

At a significant fraction of the speed of light that would then be I guess launched at something

There is I like this one um

Project Excalibur. This is from the the um star wars Reagan era star wars

The concept detonate a nuclear weapon in space and then

Using profit some sort of like lens system

Channel the x-rays into a laser beam that then shoots down

From space

This was how obviously we didn't get very far with that one no that one that one didn't get very far like but I guess the idea is like hey

Technically this can work

Chimera this is so chimera there's a bunch of like anti drone things chimera is ground-based high power microwave system for like

Burning the electronics in like incoming missiles and drones

I'm still caught up on the nuclear bomb in space because that actually ties back to

Uh, what is it?

Archimedes

Yes, the mirrors of Archimedes which was the idea of like

harnessing the sun and projecting it through mirrors to burn ships

And this is just for the for the for the cold war era. We're gonna blow up a nuke in space

That guy was out of his you know ahead of his time

Odin optical dazzling

Interdictor dazzling. Yeah dazzling. It's a ship or laser intended to counter drones and and

complicate intelligence gathering

Yeah, just give him the razzle dazzle with that

Uh, let's do one more because the the names of them are fun neural particle beam

Yeah, this is a current program missile defense agency in 2019

uh

It 34 million was requested to develop a space-based neutral particle beam for boost phase ballistic missile defense

uh

Undersector of defense Michael Griffin who had worked on the original like Reagan era star war stuff said in 2018

Quote we should not lose our way as we come out of the slough of

Dispondence in directed energy in other words don't forget about the lasers man. We got to be making the lasers

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guided missile systems and defense systems they made

Untold millions from the patent of the microwave oven which used to be six feet tall

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In can civilian world right and that's the military here in militaries

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Freeze dried food

Do I look during World War II to preserve blood serum medicines and food for military logistics free stride food and

Epi pens

We're going Epi pens now. I have any personal attachment there. It just feels like the right choice

So you're right you didn't want to consign

Untold thousands to their deaths from allergic reactions. Oh what I decide is actually what lives on okay

Okay, I mean yeah like these

I

Don't want to like tell you your scoring system for you got it. Okay, you tell me how you're gonna score

I can't wait until bomber jackets

Epi pens okay, so Epi pens super glue discovered accidentally in 1942 during the height of World War II

I've never had to use an Epi pen. I

Super glue got me through a lot of class politics when I was

Oh, this is this is gonna be a very interesting matchup super glue duct tape also developed during World War II

Johnson and Johnson's

Permacil division. This is yeah, I'm really called duck. Do you see K tape really? Yes, this this actually blows my mind

I thought I thought it was duct tape because they were now you're taping the like the ducks

It was originally because it was made to see all

Cotton duck fabric like got it and so it was originally called duck. Okay

Um, I'm going to do duct tape duct tape 100% duct tape

duct tape

A legend of the game a legend absolute does it all yeah, I mean five to a little five to a player duct tape like the Josh heart of

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Okay, duct tape tampons slash menstrual pads during World War I Kimberley Clark developed cell you cotton

And absorbent wood pulp wadding five times war absorbent then cotton

After the war army nurses who had discovered the material work well as a menstrual absorbent drove demand

Which you're gonna know is me and my guy Tyler over here

We're allies total allies allies of the ladies out there

So you're not gonna select duct tape over co-jacks and and menstrual pads. I didn't say that okay

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Shows the shouts to producer Sarah

Everyone there is actually a lady in the room. We make these episodes

She's lovely and she puts up with a lot. Okay, tampons menstrual pads

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Diagnostics to enable prevention and therapeutics with on tampons

Look we would still be in the throws of the COVID pandemic, but we're going with tampons and that's the kind of ally you are

They'd be saying this about me

menstrual pads

The SUV oh I love

The original Jeep was designed in 1940 to a US Army specification for a light reconnaissance vehicle

After WW2 willies

Willies overland to sold a civilian version the CJ the civilian Jeep and all SUVs tracer lineage to this

So I lose all SUVs if I lose the Jeep. That's right. Mm-hmm

The RAV4 which I know is very special to you

What you think I wrap

tampons okay, yeah, we can't alienate half the globe

For the mere just for merely an SUV

Okay, tampons menstrual pads versus the bomber jacket bomber jacket

I've seen some of the biggest dreams in my life. Yeah, just level up by putting on a bomber jacket like I mean

Could we have baseball without the bomber jacket?

That's it right just think about all the I'm sorry. Sorry. Later's bomber jacket

You look great. You some of them look very lovely in bomber jacket. Let's keep it here bomber jacket versus aviator sunglasses

And long developed the aviator in 1936 bomber jacket. Okay

bomber jacket versus the interstate highway system

Champion by president Eisenhower in order to quickly move troops across the country

um

Is it just go with your heart man. What do you have bomber jacket? Okay, so

So in this universe we are like still picking our way through like back roads across

The vast swath of north of north. No, it's fine

I'm not like making it. I mean I

Who likes life 40? I do

Nobody does root 66 look have you ever tried to drive at the 101 we could we could turn this into the california's podcast

Yeah bomber jacket digital photography

The charged couple device ccd was invented at bell labs in 1969

But the US military and intelligence community drove its development for spy satellites

I'm a film guy you're like analog film. I like air up. I'm so you Lord. Maybe sell you Lord

Yeah, we're sticking to that. Just think about that without spy satellites. No one could take a picture on their phone

Okay

The bomber jacket versus canned food Napoleon offered a 12,000 frank prize in

1795 for a method of preserving food so he could send his armies out to invade Russia

Austria and other countries silo with your favorite canned food

And now I don't even know now. I'm not I don't think I'm gonna do the canned foods now make it corn

What what boy are D?

Soup I mean

There's a lot of soup and then could we even do soup it be glass jars I guess like I guess we could be a glass jar

So what is the answer bomber jacket or canned food? Yeah

Millions if not billions will starve yeah, I would just tell you this but it's feel free to select the bomber jacket

I haven't switched it up and go canned food

And another victory for for Napoleon

All right canned food versus wristwatches wristwatches existed before world war one

But they were considered a women's jewelry

Wonderful a misogynistic note about society, but military officers needed a way to coordinate artillery barrage is therefore the wristwatch became popular

Check out this pussy once

They want some other time

Oh, okay, go canned food can food the microwave oven invented by Percy Spencer at Raytheon for which he was paid a two dollar patent

fee

Would we still be here doing this episode if the microwave went away important? Yeah, and I wouldn't want to

But I affect that that's true. I enjoy being here with you guys. Okay, so microwave oven

microwave oven versus GPS the global positioning system was developed by the US Department of Defense in

1973 originally called NavStar all I need is one fucking Russian chef

No, we're going microwave oven. Okay microwave oven versus

We're putting out maps calm

microwave oven versus computers

The any act the first general purpose electron and computer was funded by the US Army to calculate artillery firing tables

bomber jacket no sorry

um

This is really tough because computer calls all the problem. I feel like well. I feel like none of this is here without computer

Maybe life is simpler, but

Computers, okay computers to addicted and then finally

Computers versus the internet arpinette funded by DARPA went live in 1969

Connecting four university nodes the TCP IP protocol suite was developed under DARPA

To in the 1970s and obviously commercialized to great effect in the 1990s

This is this is like all of a sudden we did this bracket and we ended up with the Yankees playing the Lakers

I don't like this. I don't like where this ended up

I wanted to be a little more whimsical and not have to choose between the computer and the internet

I think for anyone keeping track of home bomber jacket made such a run as a Cinderella

A lot of exciting stuff in the in the early rounds

Yeah, bomber jacket really a Gonzaga situation where we're from Cinderella to to heavyweight

See if we don't have the internet. I mean, well, can you have internet? We have the internet computer

One of those things. Yeah, this is not a good. I guess I could play solitaire on the computer without the internet

I couldn't do my taxes like Fred she's like some video games and stuff that you could have done

This didn't work out how I wanted it to do like recipes computer

Okay

Well

Because the computer is less the problem than the internet that we have I don't disagree. Yeah incredible run by computer to come in late

And steal it, but you have to say

It was like computer in internet or like the number one seeds from the track. So I think it's not this way

They got buys like they got the boys that they deserved to

You know you know what I'm saying? I mean half the women in the world are

Walking into a CVS and discovering that their lives are very very different now

Get get ready to learn compact computers

We haven't gone through whether

Whether we think this is real or not. We haven't answered that question. Oh, I think it's real. I mean, I guess I was

Let me take the counterfactual. Okay. What would it mean to for it to be fake 1500 people

Oh from different places

In the world all experiencing

similar symptoms

Because they heard that somebody else had these systems and therefore

that

I guess reverberated with their own mental health issues issues around stress

That's where to believe it's that or some very sophisticated

Sci-op using

Over a thousand government officials who you're asking some of them to destroy their careers in order to gin up

Antipathy towards

Cuba and Russia

Okay, or it's real

Tyler I think it's real. I the

that

Family members of the

operatives are feeling the effects of this stuff too

That kind of takes it away from the whole like psychosomatic kind of thing for me and it's

It seems like it I'm sure there are explanations for maybe a few of the things that

Where it's like okay, this isn't the vanis syndrome, but it feels like for them

um

Like say everything just

Lines up too much to for it to be

Fully bullshit. It seems like it's definitely happening. That's how I kind of feel being spy feels like it's you're just basically doing

Pranks but like at a high level

Like that you're just like pranking guys. Yeah, watch this huh asking kosher um

I

Think it's real okay, but okay. I don't know how I feel about

1500 people you think it's less. I think it's less. I think that there's some reporting out there

Which I'm kind of inclined to agree with that the numbers much smaller like

100 that's still a lot that's still a lot. So what are the other 900 doing?

Just having the psychosomatic reaction and kind of freaking out. I don't think that these are some that most of these are psychosomatic

Because a lot of these people are showing biomarkers in their blood and you can like if it's psychosomatic

You're not going to show the biomarkers right what is what if it's from the 5G towers

Sure, what if what if it is in some of these cases

Environmental or for pre-existing conditions right? I think back a lot and please push push back

Back against this idea because I tried this out of my girlfriend today and she pushed back immediately

But May 2020 you talked to someone you're like they were like god

I was so sick and like January 2020

And everyone was like I'm that must have been COVID right and I think like people do have a tendency sometimes to hear that this thing is happening

Be like that sounds like what I'm experienced. Yeah, I

Think that when we're talking about operatives who have been in hostile territories or operating a space where the Russians had easy access to these things or

Whom ever like we're operating under the assumption that is the Russians again none of us experts none of us actually

They did catch a Russian guy, but they yes, but we don't know but yes, yeah, I'm trying to try not to get sued by the Russians

Though I

But I think that

When you start to let in like 1500 people into this into this thing that was probably a little more targeted

And I think this is actually where some of the doubt came from because you let in 1500 people all of a sudden

Somebody's like, oh yeah, I got this ringing in my ear

They might just be listening to the air pods too loud, right like I think that

You

Having so many people looked at has allowed like some of the agencies that have examined this to be like

They're to doubt some of these claims

But I do think that on a smaller scale. This is entirely legitimate. I

I tend to agree with you. I also think like there's probably people who are like

Let me get my early retirement. I got that. I got I got microwaved. I got migraines. I'm here in popcorn

Doc get me out of here. It's time to retire and take my benefits

I'm just picturing some CIA agents hanging around some

Some construction sites like the guys on the sopranos

Trying to get some no-show jobs. Um

Yeah, I mean, I think that's where I land though that this is that this is real. I think it's real also

But just to restate like I think to take a haircut on what your position is

I think that it is

Institutional arrogance that we didn't think anybody could do something like this

That was part of it too that I think that Americans and hold your thought. I'm sorry, but the Americans

The CIA believe that well we couldn't do this to this many people right how could they how could they do it right there

They're fucking submarines

So when you hear the 1500 and they're like we couldn't do is 1500 people without getting caught so obviously this didn't happen

Right, but anyways sorry to question no, but that's what I think I think that there is a just kind of like

an under-estimating of

Enemy prowess foreign prowess in this particular area

We think we're a great science nation and we got out science in this particular regard, you know

That's like not what any of our movies tells us is

Is a thing not to mention as mentioned before there's that 10 megawatt standard that it underpins

so many parts of

Industrial and consumer life that we just couldn't imagine that something beyond

Or under that signal could possibly be dangerous this way and but yeah, I tend to think it's real

Okay, I mean at this point it's kind of like there's just too much reporting for it to be fake and when you have a guy and you bought one

Which still that's another one that to me is like I want to hear about that

They've got a top the Russians have a top secret device and people are like selling it on the internet look

15 million dollars

And it's pretty but where are you going money? Where are you what are you doing? I

Where do you get how do you leave the country? Yeah, I

If there's any country that I believe that there could be a black market for a band again

It's Russia. Yeah, yeah, no for sure that does happen. Okay. Let's go to our lucid scale. Okay. By the way

I've heard in some of the comments. I can say I could speak from the producer perspective

There's some lucid score inflation going on so I'm gonna try to keep this as as honest as I can okay

As you know our lucid score

scored each category one to four

Legs doesn't have legs unintentional comedy. Is this a funny story?

Sinisterness how sinister is this story intrigue?

It's intriguing

I feel like Alec Baldwin and Glengarry and Ross danger. Is this a dangerous story?

Okay legs does this story of legs we can continue to hear about Havana syndrome

Thinking about go going with a three because it's been going on for a decade and it's and it's it's going to

Continue right actually let me revise I'm going two and a half

I feel as well I think it's a two I think it's like

Listen obviously a really interesting story, but like it spies that are getting zapped not

The general population. So I feel like it's gonna continue to be a neat story. I agree with you two and a half a two point five

unintentional comedies is funny at all

Vitalies kind of fun. Vitalies. All right. All right. I mean all right p to him. All right. P

Vitalie it was sorry to Vitalies

Family and I also this Norwegian scientist just blasted himself

That is that is deeply funny. It's very funny to think about that guy being like these idiots think this is gonna hurt me

But like you know at the same time we have some

We have some

people who have

Worked for these agencies for a long time reporting that like 20% of their brain has been destroyed because of this

Yes, the brain is lost mass

Let's go to

One for Vittale one for the Norwegian. Okay. That's a two

Sinisterness is this a sinister story

I kind of want to go low on this okay go low one and a half why why so low

Because it's just you don't care about people you don't care about are come on come on

If you don't care about the you've got the red white and blue heroes that have like blood for this nation

But to your point this is spies blasting spies right and honestly like

If you're getting in the spy game you're getting in the spy game right you kind of you know what's up? Yes, right?

Okay, so we got two and a half two one and a half

Intrigue you intrigued very in intrigue. I'm going three and a half on this one

Wow 3.5. I love the story. I do too and then finally danger how dangerous is this story to

And less it actually leads to this war that I was

Talking about this is an interesting score. This is an 11 and a half out of 20

I'm just trying to keep it real we can't everything we can't have everything be a 19. I think this is fair

Yeah, this is fair, right? It's it's a good story

To it's bad story for the people are experiencing. It's a good story for us to discuss it's one of the

Kind of cornerstone

conspiracy theories that have popped up in the past 10 years

It is like exactly the type of thing that I think is fascinating to discuss, but I think in the grand scheme of things

It's an 11 and a half out of 20 and a half

Disagree you all right, let's go to the do scroll

All right, everybody welcome to do scroll this week

This is where we take a look at some stories that have made us raise our eyebrows a little bit that we want to keep tabs on

first one

Charlie Kirk

Sure if y'all heard

The lawyers of the man charged in connection with the shooting death of conservative activist Charlie Kirk

The man's name is

Tyler Robinson he's requested a six month delay for a court hearing scheduled in may

To review evidence that suggests the bullet that killed Kirk did not match the rifle

to clarify

they are saying that

His lawyers are saying yes

Right

ATF conducted a report that saying that they cannot

Definitively conclude or that they cannot definitively link the bullet to the rifle

That was in Tyler Robinson's alleged possession

after the the act that he's been charged for was committed. Yes

The quote is was unable to identify the bullet recovered at autopsy to the rifle allegedly tied to mr

Robinson Tyler Robinson is the name of the

Now that this is what the defense is claiming it's unclear now when you say inconclusive that might mean that

The bullet

Is ostensibly of the same caliber but is so mangled and destroyed that they can't actually tell through testing

If it actually came out of the right the the barrel of this particular rifle that said

you're seeing like a lot of

Chatter online that it's like oh see that the bullets not the one that doesn't match

Which is not exactly what they're saying they're saying that

uh

His defense is saying hey the ATF did a test and they were not able to prove that it's conclusively the bullet

And it's not clear that that is even the case they're claiming it they haven't seen the report

And I think that like I've seen some chatter online in the past

36 hour since this came out that was saying all the bullet didn't match

And I think some of this came from the way the daily male who was which was one of the first out list report on this frame

And that story was spread very widely and as these types of stories tend to make their way into the same publications again

And again the daily male the New York Post etc etc

But I even noticed it because it was shared in our group chat it was I shared it and

Do you know why I shared it because in this specific

case

I

Loved disinformation. I'm amplifying it. I'm putting it out there

I

I'm a agent of chaos in this regard

The bullet didn't match

That's what the

I'm saying is we don't know what happens the daily male head

Sorry, I'll let you take a beat on that

Um the daily male headline when you not gonna get really like nerdy for two seconds

But when you yeah and when you when you publish things online

You can publish a different headline on the story and a different headline that pops up when you share it on social

When you drop something in your group chat it pulls a social thing because for some reason fucking apple things

I message is social and I guess it is

um

The headline on the social simply said

Um, I should probably get this right because I'm quoting it. So let me pull this sure pull this up real quick

Why it just it just love the disinformation. Okay, just enjoy it

Okay, the headline

From daily male when you share it says bullet used to kill Charlie Kirk did not all caps

Match Tyler Robinson's rifle. It's fairly different. No alleged no lawyers say yeah, it's very definitive

And you know, I think as we know most people

They don't unless they're listening to the doom scroll. They're not getting much. They're not getting the full story

So here's the so again just to kind of underline it the full story is this is a claim made by

The alleged assassins attorneys

About a report that they haven't seen yet that they're hoping that this stay of six months will allow them time to

examine this report which they have heard has

Uh held that it's inconclusive regarding the bullet that said

I don't know that headline says what it says

What's next?

I've one I have one thing about Tyler Robinson sure

Right now unless this case turns out differently than I expect is gonna he's given

I'm a as a fellow Dodge challenger owner. He's giving us a bad name. Did he drive a Dodge challenger?

He drives it to like a 2012 six-cylinder is like yeah, yeah, I got I got thoughts on that. Okay

Cash Patel got hacked he did he definitely did I ran link tackers broken to FBI director cash Patel's

personal email inbox on Friday

The it's a pro-Iranian hacker group

Honda a hack team

Said Patel quote will now find his name among the list of successfully hacked victims

There was no government data exposed

They found and published some embarrassing photos a lot of him in a cigar a lot of him in a cigar

You know making a face while he's like taking a picture of himself in the mirror holding like a bottle of rum

Real like sort of divorce dad kind of energy

um

Yeah, it uh, right, you know him writing in some old convertible

You know, he's a lot of a lot of stuff like that. I think I'm not a Dodge challenger. Can I can I note something?

Put this out there. Let's see if this starts anything in the disinformation space

His eyes have changed. Mm-hmm. Have they not?

Hmm, cast hotel replicants

cash Patel today

the eyes are at a

They operated a different angle than they did

At the time these pictures were taken that's all I have to say about that interesting

Something's happened

Something I said, I'm gonna catch we looking for that next week. I'm gonna be a deep dive on that. Yeah, cash Patel

Cash Patel's eyes could be an episode

um

The the one thing in that that I was very sad that actually hasn't been confirmed what was going around last week was that he

used this same email address to sign up for

Exodus. Yes. Yes. Yes. Has that been confirmed? It has not been sadly has not been confirmed spider cash spider cash

I that's the no that's the that's the user name spider cash. I did read that I think it was like a reddit post and

I was very hopeful that it would be the case that the

Head of the FBI used his actual name

To comment on on videos on the ex video platform and by the way, let me just say it

To the folks out there you you absolute freak gooners the people who make accounts on porn platforms comment

Don't ever let this world dim your shine

That's incredible keep going keep shining. I'm sure that the porn stars are reading

What it is that you're saying I'm sure they're weighing every I read the comments on this show

You know I know about the loosest more inflation

Absolutely so moved they're like

I gotta say something about this one. I mean it's basically let a box

All right, so there

63-year-old statin island catering kingpin a tour mazi

Has been behind bars since his may 2024 arrest on a 61 count of indictment that included

Drug sale grand larceny and identity theft charges

He he claims

that

Staten island district attorney Michael McMahon is labeled uh this guy a one-man crime wave

mazi is acting and I apologize if I'm saying that wrong but mazi is acting

As his own lawyer and in a court filing last month he claimed that he is quote part of a protected class

senior Sicilian

This is not an uncommon viewpoint in statin island. I'll say that like as a as a

Perulent familiar with the area who by the way worked for a

Italian-owned catering company on statin island chest a frambois catering

um

Not connected to any illicit

Transactions as far as I know they were on the up and up, but that's not an uncommon. That's a that's a it's a

Sicilian you would hear that yeah that we you know like the Sicilians of that area are oppressed look

I grew up in Rhode Island. Yeah, yeah, I'm wearing a sopranos shirt today. It's my second second sopranos reference

I'm wearing a pine baron shirt on the show um

I'm half Italian and you know what I'm half protected. Yeah, so it's no so this no

indication that this person's

connected to any of the crime families of the area which um

Staten Island a known place where those figures reside

Nothing that I've read the sort of goes into that much detail the most

interesting detail that

We found was that in 2014 yeah, uh this guy published a book titled it's your right to be fit sexed and happy

I mean, who's gonna I agree who's gonna disagree? I'm reading

Casper Tell

Um, well listen Justin. Thank you so much for producing this pod and appearing

It's it's really truly the pleasure of my life

See you next week

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