Supplementary Material 47: The DTG Conspiracy UNMASKED, Quantum Idiots, and Triggernometry Prophecies

Hello and welcome to the coding the girls.

Supplementary material addition with the psychologist Matthew Brown and the

cognitive anthropologist absorbs me Christopher Kavanaugh. We're here post swim

format. I wasn't swimming but he was swimming so we're basking in the post

physical exertion glow. I am I'm going I'm going I'm feeling good which is

unusual for me I need more of this. You know Chris I had I'd experienced it the

poor big school group. The normal changing rooms and showers and stuff were

closed because apparently all the kids have to be alone in there and so that's

fine. I'm glad that you could not. I could next either them or all my normal showers

and that's the thing right. But here's the thing right the pool as you know I love

it brand new 50 meter undercover peded semi outdoor beautiful pool didn't

got a great cafe I love the cafe but there's there's one downside to it which

is that the showers Chris they're only cold water and they're kind of low

pressure you know they're the kind of you know measly showers so I

waited to I use the disabled you know single one you know disabled you need

a Chris to shower oh my god beautiful hot water really good water pressure I may

have to pretend to be like disabled these these these disabled people they've

had it too easy they're getting all these but they've got it too good that's right yeah well I accept that because sometimes like actually especially when my kids were younger you know when you're

escorting your children to the bathroom and in Japan the disabled or easy access

bathrooms or whatever they're just more like a lot better I mean obviously they have

changing things and stuff for very small infants but in general there was just you know more room to

maneuver so yeah look I'm not complaining I'm not complaining look it makes sense it's like it's like a kind of justice you know you know you've got it you've got it so

yeah yeah yeah you know you've got a tough you've got a disability of some kind at least have a no shower I I'm

like I'm for it I'm not I'm not I'm not anti-disabled people nobody good nobody make a thread a thread about this

well I yeah I just just the clear I do you understand why I do to I do to we are being we are being tongue in

cheek then he looks way to do it we get it we get it well actually speaking of people posting on red at

my I do have to point something out because I just find this incredible and it's finally piercing the

veil it's took people a while to work it out map but the conspiracy has been unmasked or

handlers have been identified and I need to read out a conspiracy theory of sorts or is it unmasking of our

actual motivations that came to light on the subreddit you'll be surprised to hear it's in response to and the

posting up a clip where we are criticizing a kind of progressive leftist person Emma Vigiland promoting the

Epstein conspiracy theories right do you remember we covered that yep okay so in response to that going

up on YouTube there was a predictable response with some people not liking the criticism or disagreeing

and so on and then in the reddit comments this beauty came so in general there were people saying for

example I kind of naturally drifted away from DTG over the past year so especially after the

recording of Naomi Klein which seemed very lazy nothing I've seen coming out from them since from the

Gary Saiger even though I agree with the shit just got gall away and whatever the last one was it

just seems all very low effort and on interesting there overall smug attitude towards anyone pointing out

real systemic issues with the modern world including anyone pointing out how corrupt the elites are

and how in bed we're Epstein they are has been enough to tell me why but these attacks to satisfy

their new find destiny adjacent audience are the last bit of information I need to be on subscribe

from everywhere okay so this is we are only complaining about this promotion of conspiracy theories

like among spline boy or Emma Vigsland or the various other people who go only because we want

to court destinies audience right I see yes got it yep yep so that's that's what this is you know

kind of light in the Ryan Debout and then they explain this or somebody else responds to it saying

yeah it's definitely interesting how their viewership has fallen off at least by the metrics I find

they started getting much more political the sub got significantly dumber they started

retweeting fucking drew Pavlo they switched the moderation team up but their patreon subs

absolutely skyrocketed all out of bite the same time I actually brought up these weird patterns

once on the sub and given the ad at the host and they promptly hit their patreon numbers which is

kind of funny okay so this is a response this is a reddit or kind called no underscore art it's a

you know random account on reddit no art of a six months old but but so this is the start of it okay so

you see some of the issues not we've fallen off we've lost buzz and we we're into drew Pavlo

nah where I don't remember I don't remember being a fan of drew Pavlo why why he's terrible

when did they get that we've retweeted them or something to be to that well I'm sure there is

every tweet at some time of drew Pavlo because he probably posted something you know about someone

and like every tweet on twitter doesn't equal an entire endorsement and like drew Pavlo

is somebody that was very clear was always very partial to getting attention online he nearly

exploded when he got a retweet from Elon Musk so you could see you know various warning signs are

but it is fair to say that like you know a year ago he was mostly posting a white you know kind

of critical of Trump stuff so I don't imagine it would be impossible that your i retweeted

through Pavlo but yeah not not a general fan yeah okay but then so we switched up the moderation

came I didn't know we did that well I didn't know we had the power to do that yeah well technically

we do because the head moderator I'd read I'm the second oldest there right because they added

us so I could remember all the mods but to my knowledge I never have or added

anyone so we switched up the moderation team and then our patreon subs skyrocketed right

hell all this was occurring at the same time right now let's continue on okay curious to

around that time there was a very obvious organized influence campaign against Hassan Piker I

didn't know much about the guy at the time but the episode was odd and it picked my interest

at the right at the same time that DTG did the weird headpiece episode on him I also saw that

people who are 100% A-pack bought like Richie Tories was also repeating the exact same line about

Hassan Piker I think I even saw the same stuff being brought up on some cable news show Fox or

something I think I know that these are common tactics for Israeli interest groups they organized

these campaigns and leverage their contacts and people they have relationships with to repeat the

talking points to cause cancellations and deep platforming and the only reasonable conclusion I

can come up with is that this was part of an organized campaign and DTG with the new skyrocketing

patreon subs but we and in viewership were part of this it couldn't even really be a coincidence

either because the actual event that they were trying to cancel him for happened many months

earlier but suddenly these groups of people were all trying to push it I have to be real here I

think DTG are getting paid so this is the person who's got a problem with that's criticizing

these conspiracy theories from you know left of center sources yeah it's in I mean they do

from other things they've said but like in this part this is responding to that previous post

about Garpepper to court the destiny right audience yes and the wrong matter of it are metrics

being done there's a scene as the poll was being for years but I think they're you know probably

facing us off random youtube videos or whatever but like the podcast is just the same as it's

always been and the youtube is basically the same to you I mean it's only when we have episodes that

are specifically featuring some topic that is in the algorithm that you get a whole bunch of

downloads or whatever so yeah I don't know what they're talking about which metrics but in any

case their conspiracy is a bit more broke if you like they are saying that our episode on Hassan

Piker right keem at a time when people were critiquing him independently but that was from people

who are mostly funded by A-Pack so isn't that suspicious the the timing and the choice to critique

Hassan Piker so okay well okay Chris so let me ask you do deny being funded by

yeah it's really okay you know denial is such a strong word you know art our great friends

and the Israeli government like yeah no yes we strongly reject any claim to receiving funding

from A-Pack or the Israeli government or anybody anyone I'm sorry any just declare any shell

organization from any government to my knowledge they they are not providing us and the

Pietro and things that he's talking about the detective work there is quite impressive because

as a person that can actually see the Pietro and metrics map I can unveil the secret sauce to them

okay so we released supplementary materials in March 2024 that was the the first time that

that was released okay that map this content you listening to now this thing where we separated

off our jivr java into a separate thing which has a paywall and that that is what skyrocketed

the Pietro and that's what doubled the amount of Pietrons that we had right now the following month

we covered destiny the decoding episode on destiny so that was like April whenever we did the

destiny episode and they are correlating those two events right they're seeing a graph and saying

look it bumped up in the month that Hassan and then destiny appeared but with destiny the only

thing that happened is the same thing that happens if we cover someone like Sam Harris or somebody

you know with like an activated user base where there'll be like a bump of a hundred people

or whatever for a month and they go away like they come in get access to like an episode earlier

whatever and then they unsubscribe because they're interested in destiny or Sam Harris or

that's all they want right like so that's that so this person is giving Hassan and destiny credit

for our incredible whatever content strategy and so on and the Israeli government or their

shell organizations like where's my credit ma actually i think the credit goes to the

pressurons who are willing to sing a few bucks to listen to this jibba java but not really because

they're just being funded by Israel it's your subscribe in order to like promote a anti Hassan

tiger like it's so it's such an indirect way to advance such Israeli interest that is that is

baroque well that is that is good i mean what do you do Chris conspiratorial thinking there's a lot

of it about yeah there is there is a lot of it about and just a respond to one other point

and not not like whenever something is in the news cycle or whatever it's not like it usually

takes us a couple of months to get there like could they do that this confirming thing is there

anything else or something happened and it takes you and i months if not years like i believe if

you listen there are first couple episodes we mentioned that we're going to do cam willber we did

can willber a week or two ago right it's can willber in the there's uh they're lucky that there

was a couple of months gap between us covering that right that is relatively short turn around for us

so yes i just i i like that this is the you know the notion is and intrude conspiratorial fashion

it's the damn juries ma it's the juries you know that is the only thing that could explain that

several people are criticizing Hassan Piker the only reason the critics we in that is like a

juries conspiracy to coordinate criticism it couldn't be but there's quite a lot of legitimate

things to dunk on there yeah yeah yeah yeah well anti-semitism it's so hot right now it's very in

I will yes this is this is true and in any case there you go so our podcast might not

is it official that we're claiming that we are not a apac slash a Zionist slush fund recipient

for is really influence campaign so we are we clear but that's not what we're my dear at the

code in the gurus yeah yeah hopefully we're clear we're clear yeah well what are you gonna do

it does come up it does come up like i saw somebody who didn't like the recent episode with

mickey and it's like you know they disagreed with his a i kick so whatever as well and then they

posted to an article that he had written where he was talking about experiences of anti-semitism

in his local community or what he interpreted right as anti-semitism they were like are you going

to challenge mickey on his Zionist propaganda kind of thing right and you're like you know there is

a lot of things that were people are just now kind of like they're like the Jew hunter from

in glorious bastards you know like no we're not going to talk to mickey about his experiences

of anti-semitism because we were talking to him about AI and the fact that you're bringing it up

in this completely unrelated context of like are you going to challenge this Jewish gas the bite

like his experience of anti-semitism like no yeah yeah yeah it is it's a little bit any

semantic I'm sorry it just is to to make to make that the center point of everything that we have

to talk to him about that like if he's got feelings about October the 7th it's at the right day

so in that yeah yeah yeah yeah and maybe I don't agree with them 100% or I do or whatever like

it doesn't matter like I don't feel like grilling a Jewish person about their feelings about that

or certainly not going to feel obliged to because they're Jewish that's absurd no he's an academic

he's a psychologist and he's doing and he's published a bunch of papers about AI right yeah that's

why we're talking to him yeah yeah so well anyway so anti-semitism it's it's in the air at the

minute and it is telling that that kind of conspiratorial thinking often ends up pointing towards

that as the ultimate source but just to say Matt that you know I don't want to give the impression

that that is what everybody does right this is like a specific Reddit account and people commenting

on Reddit already like a subset of a subset right so you can often find single crazy comments or

that kind of thing but but this is representative of a it kind of trend in discourse that exists

which is sort of worrying which is why I wrote it up plus the fact that it's a conspiracy theory

directed at us but and I just love that there's no other ex but I can't think of any other reasonable

explanation for this this is like yeah the most reasonable explanation is that it's the Jews yeah

the Jews are funding a small academic themed podcast like they'll accept that we're going to do

a whole bunch of episodes about sensory occurs or you know criticizing Sam Harris or whatever

as long as eventually after a couple of years we drop one on Hassan Piker so yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah doesn't hold on Matt doesn't hold up well you know another thing that I saw that

is reflective of that conspiratorial attitude just being arraigned and somebody else that has

credibly being accused of anti-semitic conspiracies as it happens. Chenk Juger and the young

Turk actually has hands uncle as it happens family connection but he tweeted out this

Charlie Kirk's mentor just died in a freak pickleball accident that's an incredibly strange coincidence

if you're going to say that's not weird that there are tons of pickleball fithalities you

sign nuts I don't know what happened but I don't think it's perfectly normal. Right

right pickleball accident yeah do you know what pickleball is not really what is it I don't

I'm well to be honest I don't know I think it's like tennis pop really big bats

in some balls I think that's what it is I've got a vague idea isn't it we you put the ball on top

of a little thing and then you whack it like an easy way to base like baseball with less difficult

I think it's like in general just like a less difficult or less

strenuous version of all the types of tennis or batman ten or whatever that's a general impression

I've got because older people can play it right and but in this case my so the the context here

for the mentor that that died so he was 76 and he had a bad fall so

thank you guys and you know 76 year old man who had some connection with Charlie Kirk dies

after falling badly we're playing this part doesn't this with some questions what's going on

yeah oh my god I think these these all these different examples are like a Chris they're

automatically related there's there's a common fundamental problem in the reasoning that's

happening here yeah looking for for dark complicated explanations that are connected to your

obsessions or convictions when far far simpler explanations or no explanation is required

there's nothing going on yeah and what he wrote in response to this because obviously it became

you know like an online thing where everybody was quoting that and pointing out that he's

engaging in conspiracy theorizing around it right and he responded you noticed that the minute

you ask simple questions you get labeled the conspiracy theorist by traditional media

are we not allowed to ask about strange our currencies or should all good journalists shut up

I'm right down what the government said it's hilarious to say reporter saying you shouldn't

ask questions of the government I didn't come within a country mile of reaching any conclusions

so it's the very act of questioning the beloved government and the beloved powerful that so

offense the press in this country yeah just asking questions Chris just asking questions yeah

but the bit that gets me my is it so on the nose you know like this is exactly the conspiracy theorist

pose like I'm not making any suggestions I'm just really it isn't this curious it's very odd

I mean it's just you've heard Breton Eric once team do it so everyone like everyone in our audience

can hear it very easily when it's done by blatant right-wing mega accounts right for the ridiculous

thing that it is and the rhetorical maneuver it is to say that I'm just saying that it's very

suspicious things just don't quite add up you know I'm just asking questions and then you're not just

yeah yeah anyway it's it's it's very it's very clear it's very clear what's going on you know as we

said dramatically connected to all the stuff we were talking about and actually my honorable leader

point you know in general when things are posted up on YouTube or in Reddit and whatnot they

they get feedback and I suggested by Joe Rogan and you you should never read the comments I disagree

my I'm somebody that likes to get in there see what people are saying maybe argue with people

on reddit and Twitter it's it's what I like to do right but I I actually find it interesting

sometimes because you get to see the types of reasoning that are widespread and common and appealing

and in the comment section around our video on M.A. Vigiland and Joshua Sitarella there was

a couple of experiences that I just wanted to mention now I know how much people enjoyed people

litigating comment section to be it's right in a podcast or Twitter and so on but there is a reason

so just bear with me here so in response to the video there was a comment that highlighted in this

one section that we had not played the follow-up segment where M.A. Vigiland was initially

sounding like she might endorse pizza gift conspiracies but if we have played the subsequent

clarification she would have added in that she doesn't think that this is definitely the case and

she's actually you know more concerned about X and Y right so they heard the initial clip and

us commenting on that and they said these guys they cut this off here because they don't want to deal

with her elaboration and the fact that she's actually going to go on to say that she's not endorsing

that and they're kind of creating the false impression by selectively clipping right yeah now

the problem for them was that how they have waited a couple of minutes they would have

find that we do indeed play the clip that they are wanting the exact clip we play it in its

entirety yeah and the context does not help that much no it doesn't does not help their case

yeah and their response to that so you know you might then think oh well like so somebody

be the mistake so they're by respond by being like oh well it's good that you play that I hadn't

heard that at the time or whatever right but no matter the response was you moved it the almost

10 minutes later in your video that completely changes the perception of what she was saying

if I love that theory line you cut on so the fact that we did play it but we talked you know for

five to ten minutes no it all is the problem right because we obviously didn't want people

to connect those two sections together and I just like you know that's the kind of goalpost

moving that happens with like conspiratorial ideation that you can point out okay I think these guys

are hiding this thing right because they they don't want people to know about it and then you say

well actually it wasn't hidden then and they did reference it and their immediate reaction is then

okay so that completely other cuts the point but there must be a way that it's still it's still

a problem right and their response is it needs to be played in context which would have

made the clip four minutes by the way if we had played it you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah you do get that a lot it reminds me of the Jordan Peterson Defenders which is no no you

can't criticize that you have to listen to the whole ten episode series you know 20 hours of

stuff to be able to assess what he's saying but also Chris I mean what you're describing we just

people doubling down and never admitting they're wrong on the internet come on everyone is

using the internet knows that this is normal yes I know it's normal but it's just like when you encounter

it in terms of people responding to like criticize you for not being far enough like in a in a

Mueller comment they were asking us like where do we get the confidence that it's likely he committed

suicide and I I've linked to the report the like investigation that was commissioned right to look

into the circumstances around his death I've read it and it's quite a detailed report which explains

you know the evidence for why it's it's likely then when when I pointed them to that this is

a different person but they responded saying have you read that FBI report it has like no support

for the as they put a self on the living and and then it you know it's had all this stuff up

I to report but first of all that this report was not written by the FBI it's not an FBI

report right and the report does not reach the conclusion that there's no evidence for

committed suicide right it very clearly states all the evidence for but when I

responded noting that it's not an actually an FBI report and that it does feature a lot of

evidence they responded saying oh you think there's no FBI material included in the in the reports

so you know like they are not wrong because allow it is a report written by the department of justice

and Inspector General Office because it there's some material from FBI sources in it that essentially

means that they are correct to go at the FBI report so I I know this is people doubling down

and not wanting to acknowledge the states but in the context of this video I think it's indicative

of the thing that we were talking about we're like everybody wants Epstein the current conspiratorial

squeaky toy to be attached and endorse the things that they already believe and if you kind of

play party perper and say well there's no evidence for that or you know this is counter to that

their reaction isn't like you know oh thanks for clearing that up Chris

yeah but what were you expecting but I'm well in general I do think that whatever you tried to

talk on someone I do you know like you you do something like you haven't even read the FBI

report it's not a report by the FBI but you should be chastised by the fact that you are displaying

like you get into your phone but I know people online don't do that but it's just very time like

the same thing happened on Reddit I was I engaged in some Reddit to be it I do this from time to

time you didn't you shouldn't you shouldn't but you did well you know we all have our hobbies

I saw a beautiful illustration of this approach right because you know in the Epstein emails

there are mentions of pizza there's mentions of gripsoda a couple of times right and these are

interpreted just like in the previous case you know with the pizzicate conspiracy is that there are

code words for possible child abuse or other like sexually deviant acts right the the code words

because people simply can't be talking about pizza and gripsoda no I to be clear there is actually

a couple of occasions where it seems like there's reference being made to something else like there's

a suggestion I think that there's a urologist in a couple of these talking about and it may be

you know I'll bring the gripsoda as reference to prescription medication that they shouldn't have

something like that right so there are a couple of occasions where it looks like there's a

reference being made to something else but the vast majority of them are in reference to shall we

eat pizza that's right or what do you want the order from this menu or are you going for pizza

delight right so except for a handful of things the reason this clear code word so I just

mentioned this because I know some people will point out oh but you know the gripsoda thing

that actually does sound odd in the context right and yes there are a couple of things that he

references about other things as well where he appears to be ill-referencing and in joke if the

person that he's talking about or using like yeah a code word right but in general it is not the

case that pizza in these files is a secret word right for child pornography right now the reason

that I mentioned this is that so the whole thing with like the pizza gate conspiracies if you remember

it was reading John Podesta and all our democratic party like members talking about pizza ordering pizza

and so on and reading that it was a secret code for child abuse because how could people be ordering

pizza so much right and there's some unusual terms of freezes or so on right and yes remember

they localized it to this place Comet Ping Pong which was mentioned and they fought like in the

basement they would find a secret child abuse ring right and somebody went there with a gun and

there is not a bit of basement in the building right so this this was the ultimate thing that kind of

took pizza get down was when not occurred people stopped you know treating it so much as a joke right

now in response to the episode people were saying like comparing what Emma Vigiland is

doing to the pizza get conspiracy theories it's it's completely wrong because she wasn't endorsing

those right she was just saying that elites are up to crazy things and the emails will be that like

we should be looking into elite pitiful networks right and here I'd encourage people not to go back

and listen to the episode right because while Emma Vigiland is not endorsing that there's like a

child pedophile cabal in the basement of Comet Ping Pong that's true right so not the literal

pizza get conspiracy theory she is if you listen to the clips that we play there is a lot of talk

about murder potential cannibalism and all her lurid crimes right so it's not the case that she

was completely dismissing those things as unreasonable and she also was suggesting that like Jeffrey

Epstein and Steve Bannon created Cuenon in order to put people off the trail so she is

creating a conspiracy theory around pizza get but around the origin of pizza get which came from

Cuenon community so anyway so someone else responded and just like Cheng Yugu they said I was surprised

by high little nuance was used by Martin Chris when it's summoning this exchange there was something

very strange in the overlaps between the Epstein files and what was posted by Q could be coincidental

but considering the ways the Bannon seems to have his fingerprints on so many things it's certainly

worth some speculation I feel like being a bit conspiracy is different than falling into problematic

thought patterns and drawing conclusions without evidence and I don't think there are problems with

what Matt and Chris are calling out yeah so the the person saying this is also highlighting this

thing about the frequency of pizza and they say I think it's because they literally use the word

pizza in the Epstein files as a code word along with plenty of other language that appears to be

coded then they send a follow up post I'm saying that the word pizza comes up pretty frequently

in Epstein correspondences and that word in dollars could be code for criminal activity and I'm

very happy to say that this is speculation requires more evidence right and when people point

to doubt you're you're reading a lot into mentions of pizza they say you know you're you're reading

into my things more than I'm saying and I I just find this frustrating because like the person is

literally saying there are thousands of references to pizza in the publicly available files how you

often do you text to reveal your friends about pizza seems like a lot but I'm not trying to argue

that that indicates anything at the same time as you know a couple of posts before saying I think

it's because they literally use the word pizza in the Epstein files as a code word along with plenty

of other language that appears to be coded so yeah they are saying it's suspicious and it's a

code word but when they're pushed on it they say you know I'm I'm not saying that it's actually a

thing I'm just yeah I'm just asking like isn't it suspicious no no I don't know there's a

real variance of that I'm not saying it's aliens but it's aliens meme right like it's a strategic

disclaimer just I'm not saying it's definitely a code word but I'm just saying this it needs something

because yeah anyway but it's the bit that gets to me is like you can literally say it you know

I think this is a code word it's mentioned much more than it's normal so something strange is going

on and you say well wait are you insinuating so you are saying that it's like a pizza gets

style conspiracy that you know and they're like what you're taking me as endorsing anything like

though and it's just the you know the words are right there where you say I think it is a code word

for conspiracy you're like so you're saying it's a code word conspiracy and they're like where did

you get the outcome you know so there no there you go well well it's all your own fault for

reading credit just stay awake there I guess so at the buffet it is notable that like some of

these people do user names are like Chad big comp there is there is merit for the argument of

what do you spend these your time now look in a bit we're going to talk about AI productivity Chris

but talking about threats that productivity Chad big cock there he's a threat to your productivity

get out log off my friends log off well I'm not this is the thing this is the same energy that

allows me to interact with people in YouTube comments on Reddit friends and to list is the same

energy that allows me to listen to the various groups of podcasts this is true you have one more

by the other this is true this is this is this is the engine that the fuel DTG it comes with its own

cost I've never denied that I am someone that uses forums we always knew this so yeah but I

will say that this is one of the things that I think is interesting and until I actually genuinely

do find enjoyment and also interesting that like you can see all sorts of conspiratorial reasoning

and motivated reasoning and whatnot in in comment sections on Twitter in reaction to

friends and and so on it's just it's all like there and if you're interested in that kind of

psychology and that kind of reasoning but YouTube comment sections are not like the hell world

they're kind of gay you know a verdant oasis of conspiratorial here is a yeah a petri dish if you will

yeah and I will also just notice well Matt that like you know like everyone else the worst

examples are what stick out to me but in most comments on there are videos and on Reddit and so on

you get a mixture of opinions right and you you often get people that are very fixated on specific

issues or that are very motivated on a particular topic and they can post hundreds of comments or

get into little self-sealing response threads with other people that feel similar so it is wrong

to take a segment of like a comment section as representative of the entire audience of something

I'm I'm I'm just cautioning that like you know it's always easy to to cherry pick things to

highlight like the worst examples but equally it is not the case as people often say the comment

sections don't really anything because they're just for the math people because like if you look at

a trigonometry section you're going to see the kind of things that trigonometry promote reflected

in their comment section over time I think you're right but I also have cherished the fun belief that

in our case the vast majority of our listeners are not on discussion forums of any kind

not there's anything wrong with that not there's anything wrong with that but I think my best

friends are forum contributors that's right uh meet me Chris certainly are six sickos that we are

yeah but uh I cherish the fun belief that this you know the vast majority are at the do we doing

that thing you know they've been they've been doing lawyers or academics or artists what what what have

you yeah actually at the weekend I met a patreon member who was visiting Tokyo and was like passing

through Kim I did bold doing gym with me and my son and he was a a Dutch guy of a Renean origin

but interestingly a previous background in in science like kind of neuroscience see type topics

as well and but no professional DJ you know music creator teaching people how to produce music

and a cool guy and that's one of our audience he might be in comment section so I don't know

I would say there was a normal person obviously try to I wouldn't put a past him

that's true it could be there but yeah so you know that that was cool I like those photos actually

yeah yeah yeah very nice to meet you Navid I have a good time my my children were in Amhert as well

so if you're passing through Tokyo I'm always available in climbing gyms you okay my native habitat but

be careful when you you read the comments but you know that's that's the way it goes Matt so

did you see anything striking in discourse land as of Leah as or anything that's bubbled your attention

um no it's been interesting to see the the AI discourse is is continuing in heating up

yeah I know that our point of view isn't probably the most popular one amongst um you know in

our milieu but yeah I just find the whole cultural reaction to it really interesting so like

you know there are some sort of people who are boosting it who academics and saying this is

really good for for research and stuff as well as being the perilous as I said too and then the

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