‘Eddie and the Cruisers’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
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Eddie and the cruisers is next.
All right, Eddie and the cruisers.
Best musicals ever.
Greece, Eddie and the cruisers, and that's it.
There's only two.
Drops off right after that.
Those are the big two.
There's no even big three.
It's a big two.
All that jazz.
There's a lot of really big musicals.
I'm wearing Eddie and the cruisers.
Drop off.
Chicago, I don't want some Oscars.
I know my story with this fan.
I was surprised you like this movie because we never talked about it.
Then you were like, I love this movie.
What was your history with it?
The film beat me into submission.
Because it was on for administrators.
On so much.
This is the biggest fuck your algorithm movie ever.
Everything now is controlled by algorithm.
You get told what to watch.
My 80s and 90s algorithm was just superior because they kept.
There was some probably not even a computer program with some guy named Jim.
There would be a charge of programming what was on HBO.
Some dude, right?
And they put this movie on until I had watched like Major League.
You know, that's a guy from Tom Tulliard watched stuff with Ellen Bartolome.
It's going, you know what?
Fuck it.
I'm going to watch it.
And then after that, I watch it every single time it was on television every time.
Same for you.
The weird relationship to this movie, which is I'm sure I watched it in a Tadeh on HBO
when it was on in the 80s, like every other minute.
But I think that like, if I remember correctly, one day I was in the car and I was like,
whatever this song is, rules and it was dark side.
Because the soundtrack popped off in the mid 80s because of the HBO revival of this movie.
So I think dark side, I was like, what's this band?
And it was like, it's a band with a movie about it, but the band isn't real.
That blew my mind.
My background was 1984 flipping channels and watched the last six minutes of this movie,
including the surprise ending.
Okay.
And I was like, huh?
Week later, watch it from the beginning.
Now I'm furious.
I know the surprise ending.
Think about how long it was on cable.
And then it was on over and over again.
I think it's one of the 20 movies I've seen the most in my life.
Yeah.
I know all the words to everything.
I know all the scenes.
And I'm not proud of it.
It was just on all the time.
We had less channels and they didn't have a lot of movies.
Like, see, are you the HBO little guides next to you?
Yeah.
And that little stand over there.
They didn't really have a ton of movies because they only had licenses for whatever.
So they would just rerun the same, like they ran either the first or the second
Rambo was just on all three times a week.
Yes.
Nine o'clock at night back to school.
Yeah.
A lot of danger filled all the time.
So this was just in the thing and the thing with music movies is, you know, you, I would
just watch this part and all of a sudden you'd watch to have power.
The middle of this movie, there's what 15 minutes in the middle when he goes to the lounge
to see the smile.
Yeah.
That is just like one of my favorite 15 minute stretches in a movie.
I'm taking it back to HBO 1984 Craig.
Here's what they had boxing.
This is when when Tyson was coming to his own, they had the comedy specials because they
had Eddie Murphy, Delirious and George Carlin and some of those guys.
It's comic relief around now.
Not yet.
Not yet.
Not necessarily the news that started, which was like their answer to SNL, the hitchhiker,
which had nudity in every episode.
The premise of the hitchhiker was somebody fucks somebody else and then they die and
that would be the episode.
Is there any hitchhiking involved or at the end?
The guy would have his little, continue to have his little fortune cookie thing.
CR thoughts.
CR month would give him more talent.
What he didn't realize is it would kill him and then he would just walk away with the
slum out.
First in 10 with OJ.
They would have some concerts for Diana Ross and pretty famous concert around there,
once in a while.
And then just movies, lots and lots of movies.
They weren't really making the original movies yet at this point.
I think that the Terry Fox story, maybe one or two others.
So something like Eddie and the Cruisers, once got in the rotation, that was it.
But what's crazy is this movie bond when it came out and found life on HBO.
Yes.
Which led to on the dark side, finding radio, radio station, what, and a year after it
came out.
The fact is is that the band Eddie and the Cruisers from the movie almost mirrors the story
that Eddie and the Cruisers tell us where people are like, wait, what's this band?
And like even, you know, John Cafferty winds up getting like a cup of coffee because of
this band, because of this movie.
But like, it's essentially the same story as the movie's minus the possibly missing Bob
Dylan-esque figure.
So you think John Cafferty should have done that?
Just to see if they're to like 10 years.
Yeah, it's interesting.
Interesting.
But it doesn't just become like a regular hit.
The song that like goes like number three.
Yeah.
It's like a gigantic.
Yes.
Actually, have it.
It became, it was the number one song on the rock billboard charts.
It was number seven overall.
Number seven overall.
There was a week where it was number one.
The fix was number two.
Bruce Springsteen, Lindsey Buckingham, David Bowen, you two were the top six.
Yeah.
That was the level.
It was it was on all the time.
Consider that though.
Consider how much, I mean, obviously the song starts to get radio playing and stuff
like that.
But think about how much the movie has to be on for that song then to make it from the
movie.
Yeah.
Into people's minds, then radio, then, and this is a year after the film has already, it's
like, that's almost would be impossible for it to happen.
Also a crazy music year.
It's not like 1988.
Yeah.
Back in 1984 was like a real achievement.
It's huge.
It's like so many major stars at that point.
I was reading The Washington Post did an article about this movie's staying power.
Yeah.
And they talked to the writer Sherman Alexi.
He was this great novelist for restoration blues.
He actually had this great quote.
It was the VCR turned movies into songs into hit songs.
So movies that you could play over and over and over again.
And that's basically what those pod was originally about.
It was about movies that you wound up just walking in midway through, maybe only sitting
down for one or two scenes.
I don't want to get up and go to dinner yet because this might happen in this movie.
And that's kind of like what happens in any of the cruisers is like, you're passing by
and you're like, oh, wait, is they about to go to the writing of Dark Side?
Yeah.
Okay, I'm going to stick around and watch them write dark side.
You should see.
What is the pot about now?
CR?
Well, it's just about, I think it's more about great movies, right?
Yeah.
Or movies.
But that was the initial conceit of the pod.
To me, it's like, there's maybe like five or six moments where HBO became like really
part of pop culture.
And the fact that it could take this movie that bombed and was nothing and turned into
an iconic rewatchable movie for everybody who grew up in the 80s and 90s.
That's like up there with the Eddie Murphy Delirious concert that really like pushed him
to another level, comic relief.
Them having like real boxing, like I think I watched, I want to say I watched coony homes
or one of those in 80 when maybe it was prior to our go.
Just fights that they would have just you would have to go close circuit and instead they
were on HBO and some of the comedy specials they had, but it just all the sudden felt like
it's like holy shit, they're mainstream.
And they got inside the NFL.
That was a huge deal.
It's kind of the model Netflix is doing now, right?
Yeah.
And it's funny because I was I was going back and reading the perception of HBO in 83,
84 where they were like, we don't want people to come to theaters.
It was basically all the same Netflix style.
We'd have 40 years later.
Michael Paran in 2018 talking about this movie said, the whole idea is to leave your mark
on the world and impact people to make them think.
And in that way, I think the movie was pretty successful.
We didn't get much of a theatrical run, but we've got history.
Is that your Michael Paran voice?
I didn't do my Michael Paran voice yet.
But this movie is so beloved that they ended up making a sequel that for some reason,
Van Watch recently.
I don't know.
They don't watch sequel.
I didn't like the sequel.
I attended before the sequel.
Just like it wasn't even on as much.
They didn't put it on on on cable as much.
It was bad.
He had a must, Eddie has a mustache in it.
The music's not good.
You could tell that obviously like most sequels, they thought, hey, there's fertile ground to
continue this story, but they didn't think of actually a way to actually story first
continue the story.
So Craig, we've talked about this movie for five years.
You don't have to tell us what you thought yet.
But what was in your head?
What did you think it was going to be versus what was it?
I got to say, when you texted, I didn't know the movie was about it all.
And when Bill texted us saying, it's a 95 minute musical drama, I was kind of thrown
off my tilt there all day.
You and musicals, I don't usually put together.
I don't even know if I'd really call this movie a musical.
It just has music in it.
It's not a musical.
Yeah, that's fair.
The musical performances are legion and they're like, we're doing the whole song.
Yes.
I mean, the movie, oh, it was pretty much that full song.
Yeah.
The movie.
Oh, good.
Oh, you got it.
I call something a musical if the music drives story.
So if the music in the movie drives story, a lot of people think that it's a musical if
the dialogue is sung at some point.
Yeah.
But if the music like in this movie, the musical numbers drive different story points.
And to me, that makes it a musical.
Well, we got to talk about Michael Paray.
OK.
This was literally the apex mountain for him.
And he had a couple other at bats, but Eddie became his signature guy.
He's lip syncing everything.
Yes.
And it's one of the best.
I'm trying to think of a better lip syncing where it really seems like he's singing.
The voice of the band sounds like his voice.
He's got the charisma of a leading guy, the way he moves around the stage.
Really convincing.
Another one I can really think of is is Ramy Malik as Freddie Mercury and Boomean Rhapsody.
Which won him the Oscar.
I thought I think Shalame is pretty good at doing like when he was singing.
I thought he was actually singing.
Yeah, I just mean like the way he moves around with a guitar and like, but I'm saying Michael
Paray never sings in this.
Right.
Like Shalame saying, Balkomer who we talked about in the doors was incredible, but he's
actually singing.
This is him lip syncing the whole time and it actually works.
He also works.
He also pulls off mysterious rock star.
Super awesome.
The whole movie is based around this mystery that there was just more going on with anything
we thought there was, right?
And even in death.
And for your first role, this is his first big deal, right?
Yeah.
For your first role for him.
It found him.
Yeah.
For him to be like brooding rock star mysterious guy.
He really sells that really well.
And if he doesn't work, then obviously the whole movie is fine.
Being an actor and a band is probably like being an actor and a basketball movie.
You can either choose to get the guy who looks right, playing music or the guy who's
like the good actor who you can like cut around.
Like I don't think I know Barenger learned a bunch about playing keyboards, but they are
cutting around Barenger.
They never show Barenger's hands really.
They are, they got Eddie like in full wide shots, like walking around with the guitar, his
guitar moves going into the crowd at one point.
Kind of meant mimic like they're pretty close.
Like I don't know how, whether he learned to play guitar for this, but it looks pretty
good to me.
I mean, he's also carries himself like the leader of a band.
Like you actually buy that he's in charge of the band.
He's ordering these guys around.
And the movie taps into, I don't know, there's some pretty cool themes in this that I don't
even really fully know if they, what they were getting into when they wrote this.
I don't know how much thought they put into the script, but about the concept of like how
great can somebody be?
You know, like they're making these sound out this club every night.
And the band is delighted to be there.
And Eddie's like pursuing something that's a little higher than everybody else that he's
with.
And that's really all he cares about and the other guys don't say it.
It's kind of cool.
We've seen this theme in some other movies and TV shows, but I like how they do in this.
Well, it's based on the novel, right?
Yeah.
It is.
And the novel's more of like a mystery.
Yeah.
It's like somebody is like, did he get killed?
Like, was Eddie murdered?
Interesting.
I have to also on that at the end, by the way.
But it seems as if the one of our research, the novel is like incredibly important.
Like people were saying this one of the best rock and roll novels out.
So there was some sort of a blue key.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A blue key, something like that.
I give Michael Paray two possible words that we have in flex categories we never use.
The Sasha Jenkins award for actor.
You can't believe they've become a big star.
Sure.
And the Ted Levine award for performance so good and distinct that met a inadvertently
rude his career.
Ted Levine also on something very bad is going to happen.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Were you surprised when you watched this that this was his peak, Michael Paray?
Yeah.
I had that same category written down as a flex possibility.
I think he has incredible stage presence that like his physicality is so good when he's
the scene where Eddie's at the college.
And he's talking to the crowd.
There's like that edge.
There's a Spencer where you're like, I think this could turn dark.
He's angry.
Yeah.
He's like, command the attention of everyone there and is holding you on that like edge
of, I don't know if something's going to happen.
It's pretty impressive.
He's really good.
He's good on stage.
The stuff off stage where he's just delivering lines.
He's not as great.
Yeah.
He's limited.
But director gave him hell too.
So it sounds like it was like a tough shoe in that regard.
Because like in Greece, Travolta is just really good.
Like you watch that and you're like, yeah, that guy's good at this.
Yeah.
I feel about Parachs that he's somehow not singing.
And then you have Barenjari, you mentioned word man, who did this in big chill in the same
year.
The word man.
Big chill, massive movie, like kind of generational adult movie.
Sure.
He's with all these actors.
This is Lawrence Caston, but he's also in this, which doesn't do well.
And he's probably a little embarrassed by this one and then somehow they both live on.
Do you put Barenjari in the William Peterson?
Like what happened?
Because he, both guys, William Peterson, of course, you know, I love William Peterson.
Both guys seem like they have everything to be just like one notch higher.
So I would argue he actually delivered on some of that.
Okay.
Because he platoon, he gets nominated.
That's a great part.
Someone to watch over me, Ridley Scott.
We love that movie.
He's in shoot to kill, but trade, last rights, and major league on like two years.
Like he had like, you know, seven year run of like he was leading movie.
It's not unlike if you take the the group of guys who was in big chill, you know, he and
William hurt had really good 80s.
Yeah.
And then started to fade and get passed by the cost.
There's like gold.
Gold, gold and wine push through the 90s.
Pretty much.
So that's what I'm saying.
I'm saying that like, I mean, when you think about it, the nomination for platoon is like
big huge deal.
And he's fantastic in that movie.
Yeah.
But Klein and Goldblum is what I would have thought just like a little bit more because
he gets to a point then he went by the time you get to the sniper era, he's almost out
of I love that movie.
And the substitute.
Yeah.
Like he's almost out of gas and being taken seriously.
Possibly he let him mildly hard life.
Yeah.
I mean, he's still pretty rough and sliver and that's 1993 and it looks like he's 20 years
old.
Inception.
Which is an inception.
He's an inception.
I haven't seen him much recently.
There's an amazing what if with him.
Do you know what TV show he turned down?
No.
Sonny Crackett.
No, shit.
Turned it down.
That straight up doesn't work.
In no way, shape of the pool.
He doesn't work if he's sunny crock.
I think he has too much baggage at that point because he's been in movies and we know
he has.
Don Johnson had no nobody knew he was right.
Don Johnson.
I think Baron J.
Could have done it though.
Oh man.
Don Johnson is beautiful.
He's a little slimy.
He's a little mysterious.
Like it's a completely different show of Tom Banger.
Don Johnson's funny.
No, you're not.
You know, I love Don Johnson, of course.
But I think Baron J.
It would have been okay.
Yeah.
I always liked him.
I always thought there's some there's some costume with him.
There's some leading man stuff.
Like he's good in this role.
He's good at playing a cop.
Platoon's probably the biggest.
I don't know, swing he took.
But Major League.
He's just kind of like the good guy.
Yeah.
Like that guy's a solid guy.
I trust this guy.
Kevin Costner with like with like a more like weathered face.
Yeah.
But he can play sports.
He can play action.
He can do that stuff.
Yeah.
Tell you one thing.
Yeah.
Pretty incredible chemistry with him and I'm barking him.
He's ready to fucking hop on him and every scene.
They're like four seven and seven.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, she's just sitting on his desk like every like everything
she's bringing it.
She's not in the movie.
For some reason, I remembered her being in a movie more than she was.
I know.
She's in three scenes that seem to have been shot like in a completely different set.
Yeah.
You know, it's wild to go back to movies like this and watch it when like everybody
in the film is probably like it's like Matthew Lawrence is in this movie.
He's like got more screen time than Ellen Barkin, right?
Yeah.
To go back and be like, can you tell the Joey Pants, Ellen Barkin and Tom Barenger
are the ones that are really going to pop out of this cast?
Right.
So she was in Diner in the year before and this year was in tender mercies and Eddie and
the cruisers and started coming up.
The smoking is, I don't know when we're going to cover that.
I don't think she doesn't have a scene where she's does is in Barenger's all back in the
cancer place.
The only thing Barenger doesn't smoke is school.
Is high school.
It's elite smoking movie.
Everybody is like really smoking.
They're not like don't give me the fake cigarettes.
They're sucking them down.
I get my sense too.
Sucking them down.
It makes sense to rock stars, the life they live, making them seem cool.
She's pretty cool.
She's a cool character.
She's not in the movie that much.
She's smoking at that time that was seen as a little bit sexier.
So I can't tell you a little.
Do you like this movie?
Ironically at all or are you like sincerely Eddie and the cruisers is like just a great
film?
I'm 100% sincere with it.
Well, it taps into something else that I really like.
So I love Baren's kind of on the rise and Baren's coming up with songs on the fly in scenes
that make sure they're sent.
They're two minutes long and they come up with a hit song.
But I like the concept of, and this we did this a little bit in the counting crows documentary
when it seemed like he did the first album and then Dürer it's like kind of goes off
the deep end and it does seem like they're going to record again and the guys in the band
are like I just was almost touching the sun.
And now I'm just back to my life like what just happened.
And I like the theme of like these guys for like 18 months had it.
And now it's like Salamado's at the fucking holiday in Lounge with Eddie rip off guy.
And Joey Pence is drinking.
He's drinking pizza in the locker room and his dressing room.
They're followed by some lady in the piano who's like, but I and the guy Kenny's a black
Jack dealer and it just doesn't kind of work out for anyone.
I think that happens a lot.
And Joeyans do in choreography.
Yeah.
You know, who I think when I watch the movie again to your point, it is dated, right?
I mean, obviously it's dated.
It came out a long time ago.
And even in performance, like all these people grew so much as performers like after this
movie to me, like the scene where there's a fight between Eddie and Joey Pence's characters
and they just like does not look real at all.
It doesn't look like there's any real rage happening.
It's a very demosh too.
The themes of the movie and like we were a part of this really amazing thing.
And this was as good as it was going to get.
And we really didn't know it.
We thought it would go on for like a long time.
And Eddie's his search for greatness being the theme that actually sabotaged the one of
the band that we see that.
Or even like the idea that Frank coming into the band and being like, let's do Rambo poetry
and really get deep.
And then we're like, what's the point of this is what breaks it up because that's always
like one of my favorite moments is when Sal yells at him in the studio.
Like we were fine before you show up.
It was you.
We could have played Tony Martz, like forever, you know, like we could have just been
the best band in Ashbury Park, but instead.
I mean, you could make this movie every 10 years.
You could have done a hip hop version of this movie in the 90s and said it, you know,
it was said it was some group in like 1984 that self-combust it and we're having the
movies like this is to make the song or songs, but the song specifically because there's
always got to be one.
A song that people want to hear.
Yeah.
And then this one has like four, but it has one main one and then it also had and that's
the same thing for that thing you do.
Like that thing you do has some good songs, but what you want is to hear all these different
iterations of that thing you do.
And the same thing with dark side, you want to hear them through dark side three times.
All you have to nail in a movie like this is the music.
That's it.
If you nail, it's hard to even conjure a film to where you like the songs, particularly
the main song and some way you don't respond to the music because if like for that thing
you do, which I'm going to talk about later, that song is so good.
It's so catchy that you could see why the wonders got famous so quick.
Yeah.
And why they couldn't recreate it because it was such lightning in the bottle.
And with this one, they sell you on the fact that any new cruisers are dope and that's
really all the movie has to do to like create the mystery around the band.
Did you watch Daisy Jones in the six?
Did you watch it Greg?
Did you watch it?
Yeah.
So that has some of the themes of this of like you're watching this band try to put it
together.
It's going back and forth and it's trying to do all the 2020s.
There's slight mystery to what we're watching all that stuff.
But for the most part, same kind of themes and not being able to keep it together.
And there's a connect too.
Five Harby's.
Well, talk about later like a movie like that.
They got a banger of a song out of it.
It makes it ordinance the whole movie.
Joey Pants was the other one we didn't talk about.
Who has this and risky business?
Guido the killer pimped in 1983.
Goonies running scared the bomb and then midnight run in 88.
He is a full fledged that guy in 1983.
He's also to my my taste blowing everybody off the screen in this movie.
Like he is clearly so good.
And not only that knows exactly who this guy is, I can't tell if he's wearing a prosthetic
nose or not or if he's just really young.
But he the hair is definitely a little weird.
But he is the guy who's like, I to your point, he's like, I had it for one second.
Like you bet on all these bar bands and you get lucky with one of them.
Right.
A struck oil on the DJ and now I'm like sitting in a overhead lighting in an overnight shift
at a radio station.
So much so to where he pulls some Scooby Doo shit.
Right.
Like the desperation.
We get into that.
Yeah.
Trying to like take on Eddie's persona and do all of that stuff.
It's like they sell that they kind of create that at the beginning of the movie.
Look, he's working in this small little room.
Word man comes in.
He has all of these ideas.
Maybe we can be technical consultants.
The first time I ever heard of a technical consultant on a movie.
Yeah.
Maybe we can be in the movie.
Do you know how desperate he is from that time on?
So I think my favorite Joey pants in this is when they're on the roof, which is a great
scene.
And they're just Frank's like playing that song and he's like can't be comparably
saying and he's sitting there.
So excited.
Come here.
And he's just a sound.
And he's there laughing.
Yeah.
And he's like, this guy can't sing.
Yeah.
He can't write.
He can't.
And he just like of this rates him.
But it's just classic Joey pants.
And you can see all the seeds for who's the sprunger's character Ralph Ralphie.
Ralphie cipher.
It's like all of the characters that like made him famous.
There's a little bit of them in the band.
Marceco and Bill bonds is right there.
Yeah.
Did you tell the fucking judge?
Everybody tell me to go fuck myself.
The people Brown Band we mentioned, they were found by Lou Isan, the Kenny Payne, the
technical consultant for the film who was Lou Isan, the executive who's like a bunch
of jerk offs, $10,000.
Yeah.
Found these guys and they wanted the cruisers to be this Jersey bar band.
So there's some there's some shades of Springsteen in this.
I have a guy.
I think was a bigger day.
Basically massive.
You're like, I watched this 100% seriously.
I watched this like 70 30.
I think the 30 comes from the fact that there is a break in the space time continuum of
rock history that happens in this movie that I cannot get over.
What is it?
Tell us.
Well, Eddie and the cruisers sound almost exactly like Bruce Springsteen.
Yeah.
Bruce Springsteen would have started in the early mid 70s and really starts to sound like
Eddie and the cruisers or vice versa in the mid 70s.
They make tender years in 62 or 63 and they're working on season in hell in 64.
That predates the Bob Dylan record bringing all back home and Highway 61 revisited.
It predates the Beatles doing rubber soul and revolver.
It predates Eddie was ahead of his time, man.
It billets beyond ahead of his time.
Like Ray Charles and the charellas is what was on in the radio.
They would not have a rock band with a sax player doing rock opera 70s music and you're
asked to believe that like this guy is basically Dylan going electric but without Dylan having
ever happened.
The only thing that drives me nuts about this movie is that if they just said it in 73,
then they would have been able to be like, yeah, we're trying to get like this feeling
back.
And then it's just 10 years later in 83 when they're like Eddie disappear.
But now 10 years later, there's a revival.
But the idea that this is happening at like sock hops is kind of like Marty McFly going
back and starting rock and roll and back.
Oh man.
So fair points.
One of my favorite white supremacist scenes of all time.
Yes.
Marty and Vince Rock and roll.
I love that.
Is this done to make Eddie seem like he wants in a generation rock visionary book is
setting like the Dewap era?
I see what you mean.
And they made it more like we want this to sound like Jake Isle band John melancham.
And then they go from run around suit.
They go from covering run around suit.
Yes.
Straight to dark side and it's like and then season and hell and then season and hell by
time season and hell comes out there like in excess.
So it's like when season and hell happens, they're like, this is like avant garden.
I'm like, this sounds like an eagle song from the long run.
It's not that.
What other movies you want to ruin?
The Warriors.
Could we ever get 40,000 gang members in one spot?
No, I'm just saying this is an easy fix that they they chose not to make.
I don't know why I think they could have made definitely could have made it three, four
years later and probably not lost anything.
I think they really wanted the innocence of the early 60s.
Yeah.
Well, in that scene at the college, they literally pull up and sleepwalk is playing, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which is the scene though the song, the instrumental that you play to say, hey, we're
in the 60s and the 50s.
It was a different time.
Yeah.
Stand by me.
Stand by me.
And sleepwalk is playing and then they come on and just their energy completely disrupts
everything that the college has going on.
Yeah.
They were playing that disruptive music head of their time.
In 63, like, what would they have been playing?
These guys are doing left at the Rolling Stones.
Exactly.
I wouldn't have because they didn't exist in this universe.
You know what I mean?
Like, apparently they don't go on in Sullivan.
The Beatles are not on in Sullivan in this universe.
They had the sax player from Beaver Brown, Michael Antons is the sax player in the movie.
That was the only one that cast over.
No, no, no lines.
Tough.
Well, he does, he makes an impact.
He makes an impact.
I got things to say.
Zero lines.
They released the soundtrack in the fall of 84 year after the movie came out and it
goes, could Drupal platinum and all the shit.
Even tender years peak that 31.
So two top 35 hits and it just kept going and going.
So the director is Martin Davidson.
He wrote the screenplay of the sister and basically got screwed over by the studio who paid
for it.
Couldn't figure out how to release it properly and it ended up on HBO and he was like,
nobody's ever going to see my movie.
Not realizing HBO is about to come.
They're not realizing that the rewaterables would force streamers to put it on.
I didn't shout a man dream.
The real reason we're doing this is because we need kiss the death back.
And if we haven't any in the crew, we brought any of the cruisers back to life.
Looks like any Wilson at the end of this movie.
And now kiss the death has to be next.
Craig, 95 minutes plus five on the Horobex scale.
500 par.
Pretty impressive.
This movie is as good as it is and is as enjoyable as it is because it's 95 minutes.
If this movie is two and a half hours, it's unwatchable.
Oh my God.
Unwatchable.
This goes to show you how much that matters.
Like the 95 minutes is a part of why this movie is so great.
Though that being said, for my probably I answer for questions.
I have some questions about what you would like to see more of.
Yeah.
So one of the reasons it hit on HBO was it was 95 minutes.
And they could push on an 8 and it would be done at 935 and they could go right in
a comedy special.
Five million dollar budget made 4.7 million.
Audrey Bert two stars.
Any in the cruisers is all build up and no payoff.
You wrote that.
They could have had a good movie here.
They had the cast for one.
They even had the music.
The soundtrack is terrific.
But the ending is so frustrating, so dumb, so unsatisfactory.
It gives a bad reputation to the whole movie.
I have a counter for Raj.
Go fuck yourself.
Wow.
First go fuck yourself.
Like with a capital F.
Like to start there.
I really like the ending.
I love that he lived.
I mean, granted I saw this first one.
I was 15 years old, but him coming back with the beard and me like, oh my God, he's fucking
alive.
He was alive the whole time because they're hinting at it, but you don't actually think
they're going to do it.
And then they actually do it.
And I don't know, I'm still into it.
But to Raj's point, it doesn't really mean anything.
By the time we find out that he's alive.
It's the last second.
Yeah.
By the time we find out that he's alive, what?
Well, he wanted respect, right?
He did want to express.
Right.
Now he's watching through when he's watching TV.
He's watching TV.
Season of Hell and all that.
I was like, oh, that's funny.
Got my respect.
It's too bad you saw it the way you saw it because I would like to know whether you thought
watching the movie or like is Eddie breaking into people's houses and looking for the season
and hell tapes.
Yeah, I don't see.
I knew the ending.
Well, let's find out from Craig who knew nothing about the movie.
So the twist ending, what did you think?
Well, unfortunately, I knew there was a sequel called Eddie Lives.
Yeah.
That was tough.
I think it's tough.
I didn't have a problem with I thought, yeah, I considered me.
I didn't know what was going to happen in a nice way.
I was I was let down by the Joey pants ending to be honest because I they just signaled
that way too clearly.
I actually thought that was going to be like a classic red herring because he was so ridiculous.
He would be my first culprit.
I thought it was going to be like Salamado who wanted to be the leader and that's why he
killed Eddie or it was Eddie coming back or something like that.
But Salamado cut his brakes.
Is that your.
Yeah.
I thought he was like, you're screwing us up.
I can lead us to the promise land by doing run around Sue for 20 years.
But I didn't have a problem with the ending.
To me, like the movie's already over at that point, it's just like a fun button at the
end.
It's definitely over.
The movie kind of overs with the rekindled romance between where it man and Eddie's girl,
classic dirty mac and Hayden, cooking, happening in his movie behind Eddie's.
Fuck back where it man.
Are you crazy?
Stuff some guy cut being broken.
He's lucky.
He's just called him Toby Tyler and.
Yeah.
I'm not going to hurt for it.
But like the movie to me, it was always there's no real story.
Like I enjoy this movie.
This is like legitimately this made me homesick for Louisiana.
Like I watched the movie and it felt like it.
I'm back in general Jackson, Baton Rouge, Gardir, it's not pizza and it is cruises on.
But like it's not actually like a real movie in any way, shape or form.
She starts off and she's going to be looking for him.
That just kind of goes.
Get rid of that.
Like they just fucking go, okay, like really if the movie was driven by her trying to get
this story, you talking about Ellen Barker.
Ellen Barker.
The payoff would almost make more sense.
It's two framing devices.
Right.
Because it's got they've got to get Ellen Barker and two Tom Beringer.
But when they get to Tom Beringer, it becomes him going around meeting people from his
past and having these reveries remembering his days or that he increased.
I don't think we were putting a ton of thought into stuff in the 80s.
But we were having fun though.
We were having a great time.
We were fucking having fun.
We didn't add up.
We didn't care because it was like I'm the center somehow somehow came out two years before
Highway 61 revisited who cares.
But wasn't it better though?
But wasn't it better?
Wasn't it better sitting down and like finding reasons to like what the fuck you were
watching?
Yeah.
It was better like to say, Hey, this has great music.
This is a cool story.
You have an interesting lead.
I guess Tom Bering is just the lead.
You have an interesting character here.
Sit down for 90 minutes and have a good time rather than get off and like pull everything
apart and overanalyze it.
Also, you know, yeah, you just have more fun with movies.
Well, it's like, you get out of it being 95 minutes.
You could explain it more if they added 20 minutes to get into some stuff, but then is
it as enjoyable of a movie now?
Probably not.
Take a break.
We'll do the categories.
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All right, most of you watchable scene, opening credits.
Sounds done, CR.
Yeah.
Cold open.
Darksides coming out, nothing is real.
And this is dead everybody.
Doing dark side at the college, I imagine.
And then it cuts to Elm Barkan on her like 17th Sega the day.
It's like 1230 in the afternoon.
Given dog walking every guy in the room.
She's just dropping lady all over them.
They're all in love with her and she does.
You ever hear of a poet named Martha Rambo?
Committed suicide, not of the flesh, but of the mind and soul.
Pretty good hook.
Yeah.
Good song.
Everybody's off.
Everybody's skeptical.
You're fucking crazy.
Eddie fucking died.
Who cares, man?
What's the hook?
What are you doing?
What's the deal?
What's the deal?
And that's why you think that the story is going to be through her perspective.
But it's seen sets up the entire film.
We got word man's flashback to meeting the cruisers at the Tony Martin.
Word man, Frank Ridgeway.
Jersey sore 62.
Needed to say Zor.
Yeah.
Timely Paws.
Barkan goes to see Frank at school, sits on his desk.
Because Eddie died.
He died.
The cruisers died with him.
He was my friend.
You I just met.
Fake cruisers band at the Sal lounge leading into the memory of being on the roof
creating on the dark side, which might have been the best seven minutes of the 80s.
I don't know.
The Hacker herds.
Hacker herds in this.
I thought you're the danger zone.
Better than this.
Hacker herds in the baby.
Get away from her, you bitch.
I love fake Eddie.
Fake Eddie comes out with this eight, nineteen, eight, three lounge band and has the leather
jacket and kills it.
We get the whole word of music thing.
Get the performance with the coming back to the cover guy wrapping it up.
We get to I just love when watching somebody create a song from scratch.
Yeah.
I also love any scene where a band is together creating a song and there's an unexpected
missing ingredient.
Like there's an unexpected look style.
So he does it twice.
He does it when he's explaining to them, we're going to marry what we do at bar rock with
high literary concepts and all of that.
But then he does it again, listen, like he's got something that nobody else has and the
difference between Eddie and the rest of the band is Eddie can hear it and they can't.
Michael Perez said the scene on the roof, which is awesome.
He said, I've been told that that scene at Top of Tony mart is the way rock and roll happens.
You take a melody and just make it rock and it just sort of happens.
It's one of the most flattering things you can say.
I mean, it's an awesome scene.
Nothing is fun here.
I mean, when a hit song comes together in a movie in two minutes, I forget where like
hey, come in.
Perez, like, what do you want vacation?
Joe Pippa literally comes in on time, no perfect.
And he's like, boom, boom, the sax guy comes in.
He's got a solo already put him out.
Girl comes in on the drums, Joanne back in the bang and the thing.
I love also when like everybody catches the vibe.
And then they have to be a part of it.
People start dancing, hitting the tambourine and adding melodies.
Awesome.
When that Beatles documentary came out, did you watch that?
Yeah, it was a little like this.
It was.
It was.
It was like just took 15 minutes.
Yeah.
And there would be like lots of like dudes being like, did you watch the did, did
you want to cause the show last?
Right.
That was really good.
Because you think about get back and you think that like when you think about some of
the songs that the Beatles made, you think that these songs were like handed down from like
the gods and given to Lynn and McCartney.
And you just see him going, what sounds best?
Two songs?
Is it fucking two-song or things?
What should we put in the song?
If they fucked around till they can call something that people will remember forever.
But they just have this like dark side comes out fully formed.
Right.
I thought Bairncher does a good job even though you never see his hands of like, he's got
like this head knob and and a parade in that scene where he's like, he's just so happy
it's happening and you can feel like the Eddie charisma.
Yeah, it's a good scene.
That leads to South's last song with the fake Eddie band right into Wild Summer Nights.
We go back to 63.
We go wild Summer Nights right in tender years.
Really good parade performance again but ending with the Bairncher piano.
The sacks guy coming over.
Yeah, that's fucking awesome.
Yeah.
Put the elbow in the piano.
Just like, yeah.
Do you have a favorite not dark side Eddie song?
Ten years is good.
Ten years is good.
It's like just a flat out song.
I don't know if you noticed this though but it comes back to South after tender years
and they're wrapping up and they play some oldy book of his song and all the people in
the audience are holding secret letters.
Right, the whole thing is up.
And he finishes it and it cuts to the crowd and there's this lady in the front row.
It's like this.
It's going to be really funny social clip.
This extra is just going for it.
Just making like five bucks for three hours just like throwing something to it.
Sound word man eating pizza enjoy.
So let me test drive this one for you because South is really going for it.
He's got the sweaty lip.
See pizza is about to start crying.
I think he might be a Peter North award for most effort loaded into one movie.
Matthew Orts.
Yeah, it's like he's got this nothing based part.
He's throwing himself into this full speed 100%.
We're kind of need him in this.
Yeah, you do think about the little soliloquy that he does after the song and he's sitting
down there and he's telling them remember when you used to driving around and things
getting wild in the backseat and you're touching on her and all of this.
I mean, everybody's starting to feel remember that first time.
Yeah, first time.
This is like the whole of the flex.
What is it?
Salamado.
I used the band out of bio eight.
Where the fuck did that.
It's not a problem.
Mel from 902.
I don't know.
No, no.
Salamado in the nightclub.
Like he could have been at the Copa cabana.
He was smooth as butter.
He always had that.
He was just like, I can't be Eddie, but I'm really close to nice on stage tonight.
Yeah.
So he had he was in he was the gay guy in San Elmos fire.
He lived across the hall for the new more and then peak the Nana to know his David Silver
Stad Davis pops.
He served.
They he served Donna Martin champagne got her drunk.
She passed out at the high school graduation and then wasn't allowed to graduate and they
revolted.
I think it's all because of Salamado Salamado serving underage kids champagne.
I thought he was greatness.
The Toby Tyler move we mentioned into Frank and Maggie.
Which I think I think every scene with barren during barkers is just really good.
Yeah.
And I had this coming later, but barking like hates this movie.
Yes.
Hates it.
She fucking shit.
Oh, she shit.
Oh, I never meant to rent.
That was to pay the rent.
We didn't know who was in charge.
The movie fucking.
Everybody was on drugs like and she she hits to being actually mistreated on the movie
in a way.
If you watch how just viciously she treats the film hurt my feelings.
Wendell dies right into Eddie crying and being a bit of sing tender years.
Yeah.
The friend died last night.
Season hell going sideways.
This is what I've been waiting a year for a bunch of jerk off making weird sounds.
That guy.
That guy's funny as fuck.
He's so fucking mad.
He's at Lou Eisen.
Yeah.
He said that $10,000.
He's a 10 grand.
Yeah.
And they came back with some experimental bullshit when he's trying to get the kids to
the fucking sock off the dance.
Really funny.
Then we ain't great.
We're just some guys from Jersey.
If we can't be great, then there's no sense in ever playing music again.
So that's why I think before every tailgate.
It does point Eddie through the sequel Eddie lives.
He's like, I just don't want to get up on stage unless it's going to really mean something.
Yeah.
And then the ending.
That's it for rewatchable.
What do you got?
I'm going to go writing.
We stop writing dark side.
Yeah.
I think that's me too.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
No, did you enjoy Eddie in the flashback in the fucking junkyard castle?
Palace depression, the Palace of Depression.
It's Japan, they actually actually did.
I love that thing because that's when Eddie, when Eddie starts to crash out towards the
end of the movie, the middle to the end of the movie, those are my favorite parts of
the movie.
He crashes out in front of himself to the end.
So, yep.
I think it's cool because for the most part, it's all of barringer's happy memories of
it.
And then it's like when Joanne is like Kenny and Joanne are like the ones who were like,
it wasn't all happy.
Yeah.
It was like, there was some dark shit.
Yeah.
Like, this wouldn't even exist.
Two years first down.
We've done other fuckers.
What's the most, two, eighty three thing about this movie?
No caller ID.
Oh.
Really jumps out.
Yeah.
When Joanne keeps getting these calls, now you would just be like, who's this number?
She couldn't even, I don't think they had star 69 yet.
Watching a row of TVs through a department store window.
Definitely.
It's very 1983.
Yeah.
That doesn't exist anymore.
So, a trope that continued to come back up.
Now it would be like a homeless guy with no pants on watching through a best by, and then
peeing on the window.
Now it would have been the end of it.
Yeah.
It's like, you're talking about it.
Any of the homeless guys?
Any of the homeless guys?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have a couple of here for the 83.
One is, dark side just sounds like Brian Adams or Southside Johnny or John Millicamp.
So like very classic early mid 80s rock sound.
And then Ellen Barkin working for Media Magazine, which is in fact a television news program.
It was like a very big thing at least in Philly.
They had one of these.
I think it was called, we had one too.
And roster.
I think it was called like entertainment magazine or entertainment week or something
like that.
But it was like two hosts.
Yeah.
And then they would be like, you know, Bruce Willis and Cybil Shepherd.
They're back on screen for moon struck season.
Yeah.
Like, and it's, it was just like a really weird phenomenon back there.
Regional entertainment news programs.
Yeah.
It would be the celebrities that passed through that they were in an interview.
Yeah.
But then it would be like a hard hitting piece about some school that lost its funding for
the school play.
Yeah.
Um, one, one the smoking.
Very 1983.
How much smoking they have in it?
Maybe even more than 83 was.
They had non-smoking sections by then.
Yeah.
The smoking.
The fact that and this part of the 80s, they just did not give a fuck about aging or
de-aging or anything like that in any way.
This is this is like it in no way.
They're barringer exactly.
They don't give a fuck.
Yeah.
They would, they would take you, mess your hair up a little bit.
Yeah.
Put you in an open shirt.
You're 14 years old.
Like, you're, you're, you're, like, you're 14.
He in this movie is 83, right?
He's 34 or whatever.
So when he joined the band, he was 14 to 15 years old.
I think it's supposed to be 1737, but this is, this is another problem with the space
time continuum.
Right.
It's like Joey Pants.
He looks the same.
Then they, they give him a little baldie.
He's, he's 20 years older the whole night.
Yeah.
Just in the 80s.
He didn't care.
You're younger.
It doesn't matter.
Joanne barely looks different.
She looks, oh, exactly the same.
Yeah.
They just change her way.
I would say she just looks great.
Yeah.
Um, yeah.
They didn't put a lot of thought into this stuff.
It almost makes you think they, they thought it was going to be 1968 and then they decided
in the editing of Shave Six More Years, Adam it or something.
Yeah.
I think it's just closer to the book.
Yeah.
Baron Drew basically looks exactly the same.
There's no difference at all.
For the Flood, Gandalf, Butter, and Myass and Lollipop, some of my mouth for something
I just enjoy.
I said it right, but watching in a movie or a TV show of being created song from scratch
gets me every time.
I have, when the quiet part of a rock song makes this way for the loud part of a rock
song via isolated guitar riff and hand claps.
This is just stuff when it's just like, here we go.
Dark Side's Puts Kick In.
Sleepwalk being like a fucking soundtrack for like the 50s and 60s that always gets to
me.
But also, I like Frank's dirty mac and man.
Frank Donnelly, where man don't even give a fuck.
She walks into the bar.
He sees her, he's like, oh shit, some walking in was going on right now.
And then fucking Eddie comes in and he kind of taps it down.
But as soon as Eddie is gone, he's trying to get that.
I get back on his shit.
I still, Eddie's college, some bad things happen.
Yeah.
I actually watched it like two or three times being like, did I miss the part where she's
like me and Eddie are on a break?
Yeah.
It's like, no, she's right back in Eddie's arms like the second after he makes out with
her.
It's tough shit, man.
Can't trust them.
Chris Rile do a song about it.
Woman in Paramount 1963.
She can sleep with whoever she wants Bill.
She was a beach.
He doesn't hold her.
We'll take the best.
Mentioned a couple of her already.
But I think Wendell is a home run in this movie because he has no lines, but you feel
him in the movie, which may be wonder, do we create the Wendell Newton Award for best
performance with no lines?
Zero lines.
Have we ever had a no line?
It's weird because it's not even like, hey man, grab me a coach.
He's nothing.
Doesn't speak.
Doesn't even say like, yeah, nothing, not even one word.
But I tell you what.
I tell you very powerful.
You know, I'm just throwing up.
But you know his whole fucking life story by watching him play with Eddie and the Cruises.
You know exactly.
He's playing for a long time in a jazz band.
Eddie heard them someplace, brings them into the cruises, it changes fucking life.
He had a whole song.
He even taught Eddie some music.
He was Eddie's like musical Obi-Wan to a movie.
This was the Springsteen issue for this movie when they thought it was a Springsteen
rip off because the Clare's comments was probably the biggest heat ever.
Most famous heat ever.
What's a big fan?
Yeah.
How old fame smoke we mentioned?
I like Jersey Shore in the 60s.
I have Jersey Shore.
Also like Jersey Shore in the 70s, the 80s of the 90s.
It was really fun to go to.
I like when Eddie gives Frank the Green Light to write songs and then he does the, that's
the most you ever get out of me word, man.
Little like bonding on the beach.
And then Baron Church is just completely committed to this all time.
But I like at the end, the ends ridiculous when Joey pants is like, I'm going to get
the tapes.
I'm working again.
I'm going to make the best day of week and he drives away and Baron Church comes flying
and he's like, go get him.
I just makes me laugh.
What do you have for what's the best?
Like this is oriented around a conspiracy theory that Eddie is still alive.
Yeah.
That was very much alive then.
That was the heyday of Elvis is somewhere hanging out in Montana.
We did it again.
It was a DB Cooper.
A big thing.
A big Cooper.
Yeah.
We did it again in the 90s, two pop lives in Jamaica.
Two pop's the best one.
Yeah.
Like all of this 30%.
30% you might be.
Andy Kaufman people thought.
Andy Kaufman, like the conspiracy theory that the movie is wrapped around.
It was really age good.
I want to hear your two pop theory though.
What happened to pop?
The box alive.
Like where is it?
Just say I believe that one the most.
Did he get shot though?
Like he's like in hiding.
No, he sadly he died.
But that was the one I really want to believe.
In the late 90s, I was like, it's a Bill Simmons exclusive.
He can confirm the two pop.
If you put drinks at me in like 1998, I would have brought nuts for it.
We all thought it.
Like everybody was it and it was so.
Because he still releasing music.
It was funny because like my mom caught me up on it one time.
My mom goes, remember how stupid you used to say we looked when we would say that Elvis
was still living or something like that.
Rumbassu, you all are doing the same thing.
I was like, but this is different.
Yeah.
I got pieces of autopsy.
Music is still dropping.
He said this on this all.
If you listen to it right there, he, these Jordans that he's wearing in his video,
my mom, these Jordans wasn't even out.
I believe it was really good.
It died.
I want to say like early 2000s, it became like, I did have a really good to your rent.
Great shot, quarter award.
Most cinematic shot.
I don't have a specific cinematic shot.
I want to give a shout out really good extras acting in this movie.
All the bar scenes with the crowd, everybody's like acting like someone out of the corner.
The college concerts, great.
The college concerts, great.
Yeah.
Big 200 burger, where best use food and drink.
South pepperoni pizza.
Yeah.
I love a good old school greasy slice.
He never takes a bite out of it though.
There's also a lot of people drinking what seemed to be seven and sevens, which is a very
8380, you know, like that early kind of like 80s drink.
Ches Rockwell.
Rock on that one.
They both come from that scene.
The PBRs though.
The PBRs tells you what kind of guys these fucking are.
One of beer is the fucking PBR.
And she lets the drink and she lets him.
Ches Rockwell, best character name.
Frank Ridgeway is pretty good.
The word man Frank Ridgeway.
I had Salamado, but yeah, Salamano is good too.
Dantithee's Benihana word scene still in locations.
It's got to be the junkyard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
See are you have a flex category.
Vincent Chase award, are we sure this character was good at his job?
Frank.
Oh, word man.
Yeah, word man.
Oh, I thought you were almost certainly going to go with with Joy Pancy.
I wouldn't say that word man is blowing my mind with his words.
Like dark side's a good song, but I don't know if you deserve the title word man for dark
side.
Whoa, whoa, 10 years.
What's your best way by tears?
He also steals his bandmates girl, which I, it's a knock for me in terms of being in
a band and having a bandmate.
And he kind of forces them into a life of obsolescence when you spring season of
hell on them.
Who was it for Frank?
They probably would have made 10 or years part two and does that.
To barely play this sense.
Yeah, exactly.
I have to be taught just how to do this.
He's like, he'll like, no, play these cool chords.
He's like, we're man kind of a bitch.
I some say, you know, you know, I thought this.
We talked about it a great time.
We're man kind of a bitch.
We're man fucked up.
Everybody's like, we're somebody's girl class trader.
Well, yeah, exactly.
He's basically like a little or some in the straight up hope.
Yeah, like he gets to the college.
He is like really slum and what did they say to the party?
You're dropping your eyes hanging out on the like, that's what word man is doing.
That's what Eddie says to me.
So like, I didn't say better.
I said different.
Yeah.
Yeah, you like this movie.
You're like 90, 10.
Yeah, like the 70, 30, but just girlfriend award week link of the film.
Doc's plan of torturing Joanne and everyone else for the tapes and reckon their apartments
over just asking them if they had the tapes.
I don't know.
I have some notes.
I just asked Joanne, hey, do you have the tapes?
We never really come back to the fact that he walked into his apartment.
And it looks like someone was killed there.
So I have to struggle like going crazy.
He was like all that stuff.
It just comes to the movie.
It's just like, go get a doctor.
What changed the worst is Tom Barronjer's acting when he sees that his apartment has been
trashed.
First of all, he's working in a he's a trailer in a trailer park in Vynland, New Jersey.
We walks in and it's completely destroyed.
He's like, okay, start smoking a cigarette and answering his phone.
What's age to worst?
The sequel.
Oh, tough.
Why did they do this?
89 for some reason gave us, well, 88 and 89 gave us catish act to another 40 hours.
Another 40 hours, which we've begrudged really decided we liked.
There's just a bunch of bad ones where they were just just trying to capitalize.
I think on the rewatchability of these movies on cable, maybe these dumbasses will go see
a shitty version of a sequel.
You know how you don't remember the pods we did during COVID?
Yeah.
We do another 48 hours, like two months ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We did.
We did.
Did you get the COVID vaccine again?
No, I just got burned.
Boy, Bill's going forward.
I can't wait till what happens in a couple of months.
What happens?
Bill's right on the edge, guys.
Just hear the things that are being said.
What's going to happen?
Did you get the COVID vaccine a little bit?
It's going further.
It's watch.
I think he's getting red pills.
No, Bill, it's happened.
I don't remember anything that happened in 2020 or 2021.
But what you're saying is because apparently the box played the song for the first
year.
I'm telling you, it's getting.
Look, it, so what's Asia worse is that, okay, so there's, how many black guys are in
the group?
One.
It's one.
He died.
I don't know.
You could have done it, John.
It would have been one thing if everybody in the cruisers, like had a drug problem if they
were sharing needles in the whole deal.
Like it was the 80s.
They missed the opportunity.
One of the guys could have like become HIV positive.
I shared a needle with fucking two black guys.
Two black guys.
Yeah, the place that's in place and it's just like, I just want to say that the greatest
saxophone player who ever lived died.
It is my fucking holding a saxophone like, God damn, we're trying to keep up with this and
that that's what's Asia worse.
Let me ask you a question.
It's probably an answerable.
End of the day.
When do it goes home?
You think he's like, man, I'm in this great band.
It's a unit cruisers.
I play sax.
I don't talk a lot, but man, I love being in this band or do you think he's like, shit,
I got to get back into a hard-bop combo.
I got to get back to jazz.
What a good question.
Is he calling home being like, man, some of the stuff Eddie wants to do is stuff like I've
never fucking heard before.
Or is he like, fuck, how did this happen to me?
I think he does.
I don't fucking miles.
He's 12 seconds solo over a terrible blues ride band.
So do you think Frank never, it's realistic that Frank never would have known that he overdosed
in heroin at the Abtad Motel?
Yeah, man, it's crazy.
Like, I guess the, because Kenny the Blackjack there is like, where were you, man?
When are you going to wake up?
Who goes into my hottest take later?
Okay.
Yeah.
What stage is the worst?
None of these characters ran into each other for 20 years.
And they all live in the same state where they're not talking to do.
20 minutes apart.
Yeah.
They never had some sort of 10 year reunion.
Nothing.
I thought that was weird.
The Springsteen Shadow we mentioned, mentioned no embarking hate in this movie.
I have one more big one.
Does anyone have any of the else?
They hinge the entire insult of Eddie's insult of word man on stage at the college on the
Toby Tyler character from like a Disney movie that was around back then.
I don't really know if that's really hidden in 2026.
People are like, I it's Tyler.
And fan mentioned it.
Barenger and Schneider look like they don't look at all day older than when they were in
high school.
Oh, one more thing.
We got to fix this.
Amazon and Apple, their posters for this movie are the Salamado band.
Oh, it's fucking crazy.
It's Eddie and the Cruisers and you're like, neither Eddie nor Barenger nor Barkin or
the poster.
It's Salamado and his holiday in band.
That ties into what by what sage the worst was in this is I'd like to do this as a public
service to all the streamers watching this right now.
All of them including Netflix.
So this movie is ending, right?
Surprise ending with Eddie in the window and he's got the beard.
And the closing credits come on.
The season's counting me down in the bottom right corner because it's about to send me
to the next thing.
And now I really want to hear the ending and you have to like grab your phone or your
moat, frantically try to stop it so they don't send me to like fucking Harry Potter season
seven or whatever they're going to send me to.
And it's like fuck off.
Let me enjoy the end of a movie for 20 seconds before you send me to your next thing so you
can bill your fake streaming hours to me when all I did was leave my TV on and you pretended
I watched something else.
Fuck you.
Some of your best work, Bill.
This is what this is the shit.
This is the shit.
Yeah.
I fucking bullshit.
Fucking can't stand it.
Can I finish God forbid?
I don't push you to the next show.
You know what Bill?
Good for you.
Thank you.
Good for you for saying it despite current business situation.
No, I'm like, I like like the bird.
Like let me watch the fucking movie before you give me five different things to watch.
Change my settings and be like, you know what?
You can't do this for 30 seconds.
I don't want to live in a country where we can't say it's time for me to watch the next
episode.
I'll click over to that now.
If you need someone to spoon feed you the next episode of the next movie before you've
come to the conclusion of the artistic statement that you were taking in, we can't do this
in the credit.
We're done as a country.
That's the case.
You know what?
I wonder what the actual calculation is here because I bet they don't want it to get
too deep into the credits before you've already.
They don't even want you to think that they want to send the next thing.
They want you on the next thing to keep you on the thing.
It's really shows.
And on a cliffhanger, you're counting on the fact that somebody's like, I have to see
what happened to this nurse in the pit start the next episode.
Anything to add?
Correct.
It's anti below the line.
I want to see who lit the movie.
Let me see their names.
Who's the ad?
Sorry.
I know.
I care about these things.
Stop telling us you actually care about the movie industry and you won't let us see
the closing credits for anything else.
Who was Salamado's assistant on set?
I would know.
It was the key grip.
Really annoying.
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Ruffalo Hannah Rubin and Partridge overacting word.
Can you the drummer?
Where are you going to wake up?
I had Joey pants.
I'm going to get in some mad at word man for it.
He really goes for it.
Yeah.
This is my one scene.
I'm going to get really mad at red.
You guys are going to like it.
I have Eddie whenever they're not on stage.
Oh, whenever they're not on stage.
Just going for it.
Eddie is just fucking going for it.
He puts his whole body into when he shoved what you call it.
Whenever they're not on stage, Eddie is dialing it up in the middle of it.
My favorite part of that Kenny scene is when he's like, you remember those days in the
backseat of a car ball and some shit.
You were so handsome.
I should be ballin' him with stage the best.
Ballin' some shit.
I'm the last time ballin' was said.
And then they cut to the audience and all the guys in the audience were like, yeah, I remember
that.
That's Chris and Sean.
You remember back in the day we were ballin' some chick.
The watch comes on.
Yeah.
Van you have a flex.
All right.
So it's a list.
Top five, fictitious bands.
Never.
Okay.
Okay.
I do not have Eddie and the cruisers in this.
It's just because we're doing the movies.
Number five is Josie and the pussy cats.
Okay.
You got to count them.
I conic shit.
Number four.
I got the wonders, man.
I'm a that thing you do truth there.
Punch them.
Yeah.
I love that movie.
It's almost lost time nobody talks about as much as they should.
I love it.
Should we get into the list?
I think it's a really good rewatch, boy.
Okay.
Yeah.
I love that movie.
Number three, spinal tap.
Got to have spinal tap in there.
Resident piece Rob.
Um, number two, the five heartbeats.
Okay.
Now this is an underrated fictitious band.
The music is fantastic.
Robert Townsend.
Robert Townsend shout out to him.
The story is very reminiscent of temptations.
Obviously, but their amazing.
The music was amazing too.
I like that movie.
Number one.
For me, still water.
Still water from almost famous.
And they, they sound like a real band.
Yeah.
We have the real band chemistry and angst.
Still water.
Can I ask a question?
Good lead singer presence too by Jason Lee.
No, forget the movies that those bands are in.
Best music of a fictitious band.
So to me, it would be, excuse me, the five heartbeats,
the wonders, any new cruisers.
Yeah.
They got to be up there.
And the still water stuff is awesome to me.
It sounds kind of like.
Still water is really good.
I just don't think fever dog is as good of a signature song
as dark side or with that thing you do.
Yeah, that's fair.
It's a good list.
I want to like nitpick and say you missed one,
but I can't think of one they missed.
No, there was one thing that I couldn't really decide.
I went back and forth with Kim Burke about this is the revolution
in Purple Rain.
Doesn't count.
OK, because he's not playing prints.
I'm actually, I think they're called the Rwandan Lee
Sardin in his other man.
Everybody has the regular name.
The time is in it.
But we couldn't decide whether or not that was technically
a fictitious band or not, because if they are,
they're obviously number one.
Yes, we just did an 80s soundtrack.
And the time doesn't count in there.
Yeah.
Do you want to add to it is a sex bomb from Scott Pilgrim?
Scott Pilgrim.
That's a fucking Miss Bavain.
Yeah.
That's the best band in the year.
As a call yourself for third person trip.
Scott, he doesn't know.
The sky doesn't know.
Dan band, real band, right?
The Dan band.
Hey, that's my bike.
Hey, that's my bike for reality bites.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a good one.
Oh, see before.
So we never see citizen Decker singles.
We just hang out with them, but they are mud honey.
So they're pretty good.
Yeah, wait, wait a minute.
Oh, yeah, no, they're the only fictitious band in singles.
Because everybody else is like, I was changed.
I'm never performed now.
No, we hear touch me.
I'm sick.
Yeah, touch me.
I'm sick.
Look at me.
I'm dickhead.
No, no, no.
We see them on stage.
No, we just hear their rory.
Yeah, yeah, we don't see it.
Touch me.
I'm dick.
That's a good one.
CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.
How does take a word?
I don't know how hot of a Taylor says, but if this movie had two more great songs in it,
what happens?
Does this become Greece?
The level to which Greece is better than this movie is difficult to articulate.
So tell me Greece is better in every way, right?
I'm aware.
Except for every one of the movies, 38 years old.
In Greece, go kids, yeah.
Yeah, true.
Yeah.
So would you want another song that was like Dark Side,
or do you feel like we needed like another Joanne solo song?
Well, I was going to do this later for either Nick Picker or
Unnance World, but you assume all the songs we hear on the Dark Side
tender years, they're all on some album right?
They're on tender years.
They're on tender years.
They're on tender years.
We don't know anything about the release of that album.
How well the songs did.
How famous were they?
Did they get to go on the Ed Sullivan show?
No, we know nothing.
We only know that they're back in the studio that they got $10,000
to do their album after it.
We don't know if John and Paul saw Eddie and the Cruisers on TV
in relation to the start to be right.
Yeah, right.
But there's this whole missing section.
So Craig Gas, like, I love that this was done in five minutes.
I actually agree with them.
I think you could maybe cut out seven minutes and add.
I just want to know what happens when the album comes out.
And did it make them more successful?
Did one of the songs become a top song?
And then, so would have heard another song during that
opening?
Here's my take on that.
Is that most records in the early 60s?
Like that were a collection of singles for the most part.
Yeah.
I think that those songs were probably like a collection of like the 10
things that they were playing that were the biggest original songs that they had
when they were playing live.
But it wasn't like, here's our LP.
It was like songs people were pretty familiar with.
So was was the dark side on tender years?
Yeah.
But I thought Frank helps them write dark side to Frank knew that I don't
tend to do darks.
I don't think they did 10 years until after he had been in the band for a long
time.
So then what did sound to me then when he was like, we were doing just fine
without you.
And it was like we were just playing bars doing run around suit.
They were already moving like.
It's in your years took them to a whole nother level.
I know, but it seems like that was uncalled for from some.
Yeah.
It feels like that word man joining the band was the final piece to then
becoming like a mainstream kind of successful band.
But to your point, we don't know how successful.
If there's one more great song in this movie, I think it, I think something
different.
Can I do a hottest take up piggybacks off of this?
Which is that the best part of this movie, which is also like the thing
that I think fucks this movie up is that they play dark side first.
And it's out of context of the entire movie.
They just play the best song that these guys have to open the film.
Yeah.
And even though that happens at the college, which we know is a dark moment
for the band, if you make us wait to hear dark side and you get to see
them do the big full band version of dark side after you've seen them
write it, it blows the fucking top off the movie.
It's so much better.
But that would denote that the movie had a regular storage structure,
which it doesn't because it really is not that concerned.
So that's where if you had that extra great song, that song leads the movie
and then it all leads to dark side, which is their movie.
But if the movie starts with tender years, I guess, but I think people would be like,
yes, pretty song, but you start to dark side.
You're like, whoa, holy fucking shit.
This is pretty good.
You know what?
Two, two, your question though.
At the beginning of the movie, I guess is when they frame how successful
of a band that they've become.
Yeah.
It's that she's trying to talk about, but even as she's doing it,
she's almost informing them of how big they were.
It's not like they had like, they, it's not like they were like,
oh my God, it's dark side from Eddie and the cruisers.
It's still kind of ambiguous to a degree.
There's a talk show five minutes them going on a talk show or an
ads-solving type show that could have been in this movie.
Yeah, it would have been fun.
Mm hmm.
Do you know how to stick?
I do.
Um, I think word man trying to kill Eddie.
Um, I think he actually killed the saxophone player.
I think this entire thing he cooked up a hot shot for Wendell.
I think he did because there's no way to live in a trailer.
To your point, there's no way he didn't know.
I think actually his jealousy, because I watched his movie.
Does it doesn't make any sense?
He's openly trying to work.
Man's fucking crazy guys.
He's openly trying to fuck with Eddie's girl.
Can you imagine we all work together?
We're a man.
Can you, can you, can you, can you just imagine we're at like,
I don't know, ringer party or something like that.
And I'm just over there with one of y'all's wives like trying to figure out what the fuck is up.
What is like is, is the shit is, it blows my mind every time I watch this.
My dad used to fucking hate it.
Also, maybe she didn't edit and make her toast girl.
Van is really on to something because if, if you come to the end and it turns out word man
is the one who's been flipping people's apartments up and down.
And it's Kaiser Soze.
And he did his own the reason why he didn't get upset when he saw his apartment is because he's like,
I know I did it.
Oh, you have the Kaiser Soze ending at the end?
Yeah.
Where he's just like, all I wanted was the tapes to get out of there.
So I could get out of my dumb teacher job.
Yeah.
Guys, let me tell you something.
In Eddie and the cruiser's two, Eddie is performing music,
but he still refuses to let people know that he is Eddie.
He's like, I'm Joe West.
He's Joe West, right?
Do you know why?
Because he's fucking scared of word man.
So the whole reason why Eddie has gone into hiding.
I've seen Eddie and the cruiser Eddie.
Eddie was a long time.
He's a pseudonym.
Is he a scared of word man?
No, this is in my brain.
He's scared of word man because he knows word man tried to kill him,
which is why he's hiding this whole thing word man.
So when we see Eddie at the end, Eddie and the cruiser's one walking away.
Word man's behind him.
Word man's talking.
But you don't see it because Amazon has already caught it to the next Harry Potter.
Right.
Seven casting what ifs parade claims they were ready to replace him with Rick Springfield.
Oh, it's interesting.
And that he had to do that first concert where he had to lip sync all the songs and act like Eddie.
And if he sucked, they were going to replace him.
And Rick Springfield admitted that he did.
He did think about trying to get the part.
We're going to cool.
Instead he lives on and Jesse's growing boogie nights.
That ends up being his legacy.
No, we don't see him.
If Rick was in it, they would have been a box office success of it.
There were more people who will not see it.
Pray was discovered in a New York City restaurant working as a chef.
So still hope for Dave Chang even in his mid 40s.
He might still be an actor.
Weird one.
This isn't a casting one if but one of the people in the opening scene that when Maggie's
telling them about rainbow, Scott the mustache Barry sand.
He was an original letterman producer in the first five years of the show and was on
camera a lot.
Really?
And I never understood why he was in this movie.
It's really strange.
I mean, that's like a deep, deep letterman cut.
That's the NBC.
Only you and Brad.
Yeah, but it was just fucking weird.
It would be like if Daniel Kellison was in the movie just randomly.
Just in a scene.
Best act guy, Joey Pants, not eligible.
John Stockwell was in this, the lead guy from Christine and also in Top Gun.
He's the guy that knows.
He's wizard from Top Gun.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Well, if I can't remember, yeah.
But the winner is Mitchell Lawrence.
Mitchell Lawrence.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not Mitchell Lawrence.
Matthew Lawrence also now does or did sports talk radio in Lexington, Kentucky.
Wow.
How many episodes as David Silver's dad and Nana, who know you think fit the guest?
How many episodes is what?
Was he watching that?
No, no, no.
Yeah.
36.
Oh, you basically on the show at that point.
Yeah.
So over 200 shows.
Well, we've never talked about as a now to an old parent ranking because you have he's the
best one.
What about not what about what about Dylan's fucking dad?
Dylan's dad was the man who was doing who played Dylan's dad.
That guy that was that we've seen this guy that that that guy, Jack McKay.
Yeah.
Like Jack McKay was the man.
He's shady.
What is it up though?
Should have looked out for his family better.
He was like some kind of fucking mobster or something like that.
I would have thought you would like David Silver's dad because he was like constantly
messed around the dental.
You only bring in Kelly.
Uh, uh, Brandon Kelly's parents got on my nerves.
Yeah, they're terrible.
They they they got on my nerves.
The whole family.
I didn't enjoy.
Actually, my favorite is Kelly Taylor's mom because she had the drug problem and was.
Oh, Brandon.
Brandon.
Brandon.
Is that where Brandon and Brenda and then also Steve's mom because she was like famous.
Yeah, famous.
She was kind of cool.
Deon Waiters word.
Ellen Barkin.
And then she wanted to give it to the I didn't pay for a bunch of jerk off.
I think it wears out.
No, I think parking.
Recasting couch director city kind of after you Michael Keaton is Kenny the drummer,
just randomly being in this movie.
Yeah, I like to take that.
That's good.
It's like a year after night shift just looking for work.
So yeah, gets this big scene playing as a blackjack dealer.
It's going crazy.
I like it when Kenny puts the comic book down and just gets on a kit.
It just immediately just like lays into it.
The van lathe and word for it.
Did this movie need more black people?
No, we were treated poorly.
Um, it, but no, it doesn't.
Perfect.
And then we're going to have another thing about these 80s movies.
Don't fucking put it not where we just do the thing.
Okay, just do the white band.
So why is this a white band black saxophone player?
That's cool.
You know what I'm saying?
We don't need to see it.
It's fine.
I'm telling you it's fine.
Craig has a flex category.
I did it.
It's the, um, band out of bio to Salamado.
Oh, yeah, you did.
Where the fuck that come from him at the night.
First time somebody did band out of bio is a flex category.
The 83 point game.
It's going to live on forever.
Professor research, Banger said he did not try to learn piano.
Did practice some keyboards in his trailer.
It's well, he read big chilled that love.
Is that even missing?
Yeah.
The tracks and keyboards still bothering me.
Matthew Lawrence did learn how to play the bass.
Um, date, parade remembers that, uh, when they all played together, it was a little
like still water.
It was a college concert.
The extras were into it.
Everybody was going nuts and they were really pretending they were the band.
And then, uh, the palace of depression, depression was a real place in the violin, New
Jersey.
Uh, does not exist anymore.
For turning the house was at Havroford College.
Where's that outside of Philly?
Tony Martz was an actual place until the early 80s and then demolished.
And then, uh, we didn't mention this.
Joanne played by Helen Schneider was a pretty famous like German music star in the 70s
and 80s.
A lot of, uh, a lot of like success.
I kind of like and wish there was like 10% more of her losing it a little at the end,
where she's like, I have to get ready.
Eddie's here.
And it's like, kind of, that's the glorious, lots of things out.
And I'm like, Oh, yeah, this is do more of that.
Like she's been hanging on waiting for this call for 20 years.
That's great.
Like you go in her room and it's just all weird Eddie Manakin.
Eddie Wu dolls.
Fake Eddie did some research on him.
John Cafferty or the Eddie that was with Salamata.
The Eddie was Salamata played by Joey Baylon, uh, put on an album in 1994.
If you want to download it and rehome the Joey Baylon's, uh, solar work, apex mount,
Michael parade definitely.
Oh, wait, I'd one more, uh, uh, half ass internet research.
Yeah.
In that same Washington post article that I mentioned, baringer claims that they filmed
a scene in a roadhouse with the cruisers watching the Beatles on Ed Sullivan and making
fun of it.
And he has like a whole thing he talks about.
And then after this quote, Martin Davidson's like, we never shot that.
That's fair.
But I really like the idea that they at least thought about the Beatles in this movie.
Yeah.
I love when there's like violent disagreements like that.
Yeah.
It just goes to show you like people were probably using substance.
Like they were fucking high a shit.
Yeah.
I mean, it was 1983.
Yeah.
Mhm.
Apex.
That's why we're the Grandland oral history will never happen because of the amount of
drugs.
No, no.
I mean, I'm going to say, uh, David Silver's dad probably so that shows pretty big.
Yeah.
Beaver Brown band.
Yes.
Jersey Shore movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jersey Shore movies.
No, but I also can't come over the better one.
I might get killed for this for not knowing.
Do you claim the Jersey Shore with your relationship?
I mean, it's a decent.
It's like the summer destination for most of Philadelphia.
Yeah.
But I don't know of a better Jersey Shore movie than this.
They really figured it out as a great location.
Yeah.
I mean, not a movie, obviously, but the Jersey Shore.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The show is probably the show.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, of course, no, never hang out with those people during your
early competition.
I think I think during the situation, never go.
See a couple of them.
Not never like that shows.
Mariffa, that show to me is when I realize, oh, you know, I don't have to fucking
like what everybody else likes.
It made never made this girl test can away.
Um, that got dark.
No, no, I just I never understood it.
I get it.
Everybody was so into it.
No, everybody was so into it.
I loved it for two years.
I just never, everything else that had come from MTV like fucking Roll Root.
Challenge challenge.
All that stuff is to it.
For some reason, Jersey Shore just never fucking Arthur Rimbo.
I think that he's had bigger moments than this.
Yeah.
Helen Schneider.
Sounds like Germany was pretty hot.
Yeah.
What happened?
You would have thought that she'd have been around.
She was like, what went back to Germany?
Interesting.
1957 Chevy's probably not.
Cruiser Hanks.
What about Hanks as word man?
I had cruises.
Cruises Eddie.
Because cruise has priors of doing the outsiders.
If cruise is Eddie.
Cruises Eddie.
He basically played a greaser in the outsiders.
And that's kind of way Eddie dresses.
Like Eddie is just full outsider.
Oh, Craig's all in.
Eddie and the cruisers.
Come on.
Yeah.
Come on.
What are you doing?
Okay.
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
And I think you could actually, this is one of the rare times where you could do cruises,
Eddie and Hanks is Frank.
Mm-hmm.
Scorsese, vice-spellberg.
Yeah.
I have Scorsese, tristate area.
Yeah.
Best hang, we're saying best hang, Sal.
See, you know, he has pizza, fun dressing room.
Best hang is absolutely Maggie.
Like I got Ellen Barking as a good point.
Yeah.
I got Ed Maggie.
I got Ellen Barking as a best hang.
I got worse hang, Sal.
Well, come.
Just talking about the old days.
No, Sal.
I dock as the worst hang.
So when you think about it, dock.
Docks, stuff, hang.
Sal, you come in there.
He offers you a slice of pizza.
He sits down the pizzas in his hand.
He never fucking eats it, right?
He's just hanging off.
He's always crying and sweating.
He's crying.
He's sweating.
He's doing the whole thing.
Word man, he's skeptical of word man, which is probably because he knew that word man
was a psychopath.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, so like, Sal.
I think probably Kenny would be best hang.
Yeah, Tom Blackjack, sir.
Yeah, just talking about ball and checks.
I'm part of these guys' count cards and then we balled in a car.
Why didn't you have Maggie in the three-year life away area?
That's a good question.
You took it out of Flex.
That's a really good one.
Pickin' Nits.
Would there have been more interest than Eddie's disappearance or way more interest?
I felt like this would have been one of the bigger stories of 20 years.
I think that there is something to be said for how local news was back then.
So I think it would be a huge deal in New Jersey.
Yeah.
And maybe get to Philly.
But I don't know if it cracks the big apple.
This speaks to the question of how big of a band there were.
They were because that's a part of it.
However, they never found a body.
Yeah.
Being that they never found a body is always funny in 80s movies when they go something something happened to a body was never found.
People would never fucking like, Bolivet.
That's the DB Cooper thing.
Don't know where he went or what happens to him.
We mentioned Barringer's tool for Word Band.
We talked about Word Band and Joanne kissing.
So at the end, this is a super nitpick.
But media magazines doing their big feature on Eddie and the cruisers and Eddie Wilson.
How brilliant he was.
And they're showing video of him at the college concerts.
Yes.
How were they filming that in 1963?
Full color video with close ups.
Yes.
And they were filming over Chris.
Full color video with close ups and editing at the 1963 spring dance of Benton College.
There were nine cameras apparently there.
And then but they're showing the crowd.
It's like Sunday night football.
Yeah.
Pretty tough.
Come on, band.
You're not thinking that by me after I've seen this movie 78 times.
I love it.
I agree.
Any other nitpicks?
Just that the one bit we hear of season and hell is pretty vanilla compared to like they were like,
this mind blowing avant garde noise.
You can't put it out.
It's like, it's just a slow blue song.
Like this is not that complicated.
I guess my big nitpick that I've always had is like, is word man fucking Mozart?
Why?
How you want to play piano that fast?
For man's fucking around.
There's no way he's doing all of a sudden.
He's playing piano.
He's got solos.
No, word man.
You had to play piano.
Yeah.
He has to piano solo earlier.
He has to play.
I'm talking about early.
No.
Earlier.
Doesn't Eddie am I the main matter?
No, no, no.
Eddie showing him rock course.
Yes.
So he already knew how to play piano.
So he's like, I know how to do it.
But Eddie's like, no, you have to groove down at this end of the keyboard.
Now I love this box.
30 years.
No.
No.
No, it's not the movie for nitpicks.
Sure.
I don't think any of these people would have hung out.
This band makes no sense as humans outside of the band.
Oh.
I think Sal and Joey Pant sort of hung out.
to hung out. Yeah. That's it. That's it. Yeah. Sequel prequel prestige TV all black
cast are untouchables. So prestige TV. I think you could do this and you probably make it
in 80s band and you set it in 2000 or maybe you make it like, oh, yeah, strokes like
that error early 2000s New York and now and then it's like today coming back today. Yeah,
where it's like the somebody has a strong thing on TikTok. Yeah. Yeah. Think about what
we already did. This is begging begging to be like a two-pock situation. The begging to
be like some big prestige you do where some rapper that we thought was killed in a beef
back but he's alive in the whole 90. This is begging to be remade with that exact
spin to it. There is you would do it with the yeah, yeah, yes. Because you change and
make it a female singer. The first thing to do would be to like basically try to blare
with it where you're like, we've discovered these tapes. And it's like and now this band
like it would be basically like a viral marketing campaign. The air which crossed with Eddie
and the cruiser. Yeah, that's pretty good. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins,
Fergie the Flores? Do it. So many others or Zayn Lowe. Eddie, man, here you are. You've just
seen your own face on media magazine. The lovely Maggie reporting it out. Season in hell.
Never even came into fruition. Never came to harvest. Never came to flowering. But you,
what's you, what have you been doing, Manson's Palace of Depression? Tell me, take me to the palace
and let's get out of this depressive zone of so great Zayn finally got to talk to a musician.
Bring me back to Tony Mark that day. Yeah. The other option would be Zayn interviewing Wendell,
but like Wendell doesn't say anything. Wendell men, you played with bag, you played with Dexter Gordon.
I wonder if it's like no one's ever asked me his record.
Just what ask her who gets it? Soundtrack or original song? I go original song, dark side.
I'll give you best music, original song that you're winner was Flash Dance. What a feeling.
By the one and only Irene Cara. Banger.
Fame.
I don't care. Tough nude scene for her and fame. Soft fame recently.
Really emotionally scarring is a 10 year old. Yeah.
Say now take your shirt off that creepy photographer guy. Do you like fame? Yeah, do.
Fame, like well at first I watched the TV show first. That was the first thing I saw.
The TV show then I went back and watched it. I saw fame in the theater probably a little too early.
Probably H 10. You know, fame. Really good idea for a movie. I'm actually surprised they haven't
run that back. Are you a Flash Dance fan? Not totally. Maniac from Flash Dance was also nominated.
Over you from tender mercies and then two Yentel songs. I feel like we could have stuck in dark side.
Dark side in there. Maybe bump the second best Yentel song. That would be incredible if it's like
Academy Award winning Eddie and the Cruisers.
Probably an answerable questions. What happened to Media Magazine?
Maggie moves on to where? I think she to she get that like doing like live at five in New
York City. Replace the system. Maybe she moves up to people or newsweek or time.
It's lung cancer. So my question is did Eddie always pull out or did his boys not swim?
How does she not get pregnant? Who? His girl. Joanne. Yeah, Joanne. They're on the road all together.
Music field. Lusty love making. Falling in the back of a car.
Carly is the back of a car. Maybe not a lot of sex because he was so driven by the art.
That's why she was the Catholic. Or like that's why she got with Wordman. But something doesn't make a lot
of sense how there was no like Eddie baby at some point.
Yeah, one of my prophyxies. That's a bad question. It was just like what did Wordman think was going to
happen when he like when he shows up after his long date with Joanne. And it's like is it time
for us to play? Like of course Eddie's gonna fuck with you now. Yeah, yeah. Toby Tyler got off
easy. Yeah. What did Doc sell the tapes for and what happened next? The musicals you want,
NEO. It's like I think it's a I think it is anticlimactic. I think people are like this isn't
that good. I like I'd prefer dark side and it just doesn't go anywhere. Does it come out on
eight track? What were those things? Not the seat between cassettes and CDs. Eight tracks.
Eight tracks. Yeah. I think eight track is dead by 83 though. I think it's still around.
Oh, 83. That was the last year. Yeah, like cassettes, right? No, it's. I don't think season
hell does that well. Me neither. I think it's a big bust and Doc probably is arrested for fraud in
some way. How do they position it? Do they do music videos where they get like because it's
the age of the video starting to happen. They don't but the cruisers are they all had incredible
footage of Eddie and the cruisers playing betting college. Yeah. Secret handshake club memorabilia
that you'd want from this movie. I like the photo of Joanne with the two guys that center of place.
Yeah. It's a weird one and just having the wall right now. People, what the fuck is that?
In the cruisers night today, three. That's the original staff of Brentwood coach,
Finstock, Mr. Miyagi were for best worst life lesson. Guys like you guys like me and you,
they strike oil under your garden. Now you get his dead tomatoes. Oh, shoot. That's
pretty good by it by Salamata philosopher. That's good. If we can't be great, then there's no sense
in ever playing music again. Best double feature choice. That thing you do.
Who won the movie? Beaver Brown Band. And they're still dining on this 40 years later. HBO.
Good call. HBO. I was entertaining parry. But I think I think you're right. I think it's
Beaver Brown Band because those songs still get played. Those guys will probably make money off this.
Craig, let's hear it. Had a great time. Loved it. Super likeable.
To watch it with Liz or Sola. I tried to get hurt. I badgered her to watch the movie with me.
And she wasn't interested. Unfortunately. Just that she doesn't care as much about the
banger. I was like 15 minutes in. I was like, you, you're, this would be fun. We can just throw
this on and you can like half watch it. She didn't want to do it. But I think she would have liked it.
You should have told her there was like some sort of ad potential out of it.
She would have done it at that point. Yeah. We can. There's great sponsors. She'd be like,
this is Phil's actually in this movie. Yeah. I was almost certain you'd hate it. No. No. I knew,
I knew he was going to like it. We know. First of all, 95 minutes here, 80% of the way there with
yeah. Like I music provides such a high floor. Like it's like you're just going to win 48 games with
a couple good songs in it. Yeah. And I don't know. There's a level of like how much you take the
movie seriously and then that allows you to be comfortable and enjoy it. Yes. Which is why I think
like I went into LA Confidential and I don't think I loved it as much as everybody else did. But
my the expectation versus reality. I didn't like LA Confidential. I didn't love it. I don't know.
It's that you need to watch it a couple of times. I don't know why. But LA Confidential. First
watch. There's a lot going on. You know what? I thought I was a little chief. I can be
else with you. I get it. It will be hard for me to understand that because the movie was
legitimately the biggest fucking thing in the world. And I saw eight times. I saw it in the
area. And you didn't go into it being like, I can you know it? That was that was a boomer response.
I could see that. I could see now it being a little tougher people. Also this movie I love
I do. I'm I've always been interested in like the second album theory of a band. You know,
always find this to be interesting. There's a little bit of like pet sounds to this Brian Wilson,
Eddie Wilson, sure with the Beach Boys and like the controversial pet sounds album. Nobody liked
it. And then you know down the road is a masterpiece. This movie people liked pet sounds. It was like
wild honey or whatever the next. No, I thought pet sounds was considered very abstract. And
I don't know. It has a good. I mean, it's abstract, but it was like it blew away. I thought it came
out the gate and was and was not reviewed. Well, okay. I mean, you know better. I mean, Pimberton
is like that from weezer like child ones that come out and people go, what the fuck are you doing
in the? But is this what the fuck is Pimberton Pimberton? Is this kind of movie the 80s equivalent
of like a current Netflix movie like Gaslit by my husband, which I have great disdain for
and I a movie like that nowadays. But I'm like, is that just what this was in the 80s?
I know. You know, Bill was like, what's the double feature in a weird way. I feel like the double
feature for this movie should be Legend of Billie Jean because yeah, that's great. It's kind of
like the same kind of like regional, local sensation, huge story in my town, but wouldn't have
wouldn't have made it out to like L.A. We're people were like, and I think I think it's hard to
almost replicate that now because of social media and just weird that like this movie is looked
like you guys are looking back on it with like charm and nostalgia. But I feel like a lot of the
current like Netflix movie slopper, the streaming movie slop is not looked at that way. Nobody,
it like honors those films anyway and they will disappear even if people watch them. But these
movies we look back on and we're like, oh, Eddie and the cruiser's like such a fun easy watch.
But no one's gonna do that to Gaslit by my husband. Yeah, but we don't know what would happen
with some of those movies if there were only seven movies on Netflix and they played them for you.
I would say give Gaslit by my husband and she. To me, to me, the difference in that is that like
those movies you first of all, you have to be active in watching those films. You have to go
search for the movie and then put it on. That right there means that there had to be a reason for
you to do that, right? People weren't doing that to this movie. It was on HBO. Didn't it just come on
and you? Yeah, but like, so they didn't we didn't have as much else stuff to other stuff to do.
Like people barely had a Tari 2600s back then. Yeah, with Gaslit by my husband or these other
movies, there's like this cultural conversation that gets you to go watch the movie because you heard
with Eddie and the Cruisers, there's none of that. Like I never had one come. This is the first
conversation I've ever had with friends about Eddie and the Cruisers ever. My own my own. My
own. My own. My own. My mom because my mom loved this movie. My dad will watch it. But that would be
like you watching them say people again. Why don't people always on TV. But like is is like with this
movie was just on all the time and you just had a situation with it. It was almost like seeing you
know what I would compare it to you know, and if if you listen to an album a lot,
you know, it was sort of like 20 times and then like the eighth best song in the album, you're like
songs fucking awesome. Yeah, I really like this. And I'll never know when that happens.
It never happens. I don't know about this. It happens anymore because every these songs are just
our released almost like you can you can cherry pick months. I don't think it happens.
Because I don't think the albums last long enough for them to like for that to happen. Like I
think that the artists are dropping music so much like you're getting so much more stuff. There's
so much. I don't think that that happens. I think it happens here and there like the Geese
records a good example of like there was my original run through it. I was like I love these five
songs. Then there was like two more three more that came became really favorite to mine.
It's also crazy how much Hollywood screwed up. I like I can't believe that John Cafferty and the
beaver like the fact that they didn't turn anything is insane to me. It might have been because
of the band name. I think it might have been because they people really you're Eddie and the
cruisers. I mean, there's like a little bit of like a I know. The song you said was number three
and the billboard charts at you seven. I mean like a legitimate hit in a monoculture time.
We're in a different completely different world now. But like nobody even knows who the singers are
of the K-pop demon hunter songs. And yet that's like the biggest band in the world. Literally no one
knows who sings it. And yet they knew this band and these people and they couldn't get them
relevance and they couldn't get them another album that's crazy to me. Same thing happened to Eddie.
When Jack O'House were here like a year ago, you told me this was on TCM.
And I recorded it. I was like let's tape it. Yeah. And we watched it in the morning and we were all
like completely into it. I don't know. I just think they I don't think there's a lot of these
movies, which is one of the reasons why it's endured a little bit. There's not enough music movies.
If there are like or if they they're in the works, I think all of it is based on whether the song
like there's you get like the band, right? Well think about like Rock of Ages with Cruise.
Was a bomb. Yeah. So stupid though. Like you know what I mean? Like this,
that movie almost doesn't take itself seriously. This movie takes itself incredibly seriously.
Yeah. Like you get that this is sincerity about this. Maybe it's obviously not perfect, but
there's a sincerity like about the movie. Would you watch a movie about Dunn Love Story,
JFK Jr. style about Lenny Kravitz falling in love with Lisa Bonnet? We love it. We get all the
golf Lenny's music. The entire thing would love it. It's a good idea. So he Kravitz plays
Lisa Bonnet. Oh, shit. You like that type of shit. I'm into that. It's a good idea. I'm into
Lisa Bonnet. I'm into so he Kravitz and Lisa Bonnet, sure. Everyone loves Lenny Kravitz. I don't
even mind that I don't like the NBA, NBC song. You don't mind that you don't like it. I just I'm
never going to I'm never going to be mad at Lenny Kravitz for anything. All right. See our month.
This was it's no longer see our month. This is the little chalk. I'm right after. Yeah.
It's a little little little little little gum things. What's the one that it's got the
there's like different ones that they'll bring out. Well, they've got the mints, you know,
chocolate cover mints. I don't usually that's I feel like that's lazy when the restaurants do that.
Okay. I like when I felt like there was the dessert. The dessert chef made me something.
I like to get prepared for the forbid. It's true. That's it. I don't know what's coming next week.
This was fun. Good to see you, Ben. Of course. Good to see you. See you guys in San Francisco. If you're
oh, yeah, San Francisco two days from now, this will come out on a Monday. We're there Wednesday.
Yeah. Do they I'll do the little intro for that. But yeah, we're going to be doing basic instinct.
Oh, the three of us with Mallory at the Tony Rempi theater. Yeah. That's I think that's what this
is like. I play for the Rangers San Francisco Tony Rempi. Yeah. Yeah. Like 280 last year. Yeah.
We will be there in San Francisco. Thanks to Gahad. Thanks to Eduardo as well. And we'll see
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