The 2026 Movie Star Rankings: 35 Under 35
2026-04-07 10:00:00 • 2:09:22
I'm Sean Fennesy.
I'm Amanda Davin and this is the Big Picture and Conversation Show about movie stars.
It's been two full years since our last 35 under 35 movie star ranking.
This is our fifth time at it.
We started these rankings during the pandemic and have revisited them every couple of years.
Stars age out.
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The two biggest movies in this year's Oscar race featured new discoveries.
Hollywood can still do that work and the most anticipated movies of the year,
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Okay, how did you feel about my strategizing on the schedule for the aftermath of Project
Hell Mary, the drama, the re-boom of movies with this list that we're doing today?
It's wise.
It's also an anticipation of a spring to summer that is quite loaded, culminating in the
Odyssey, which I do think is sort of the one movie litmus test of are you a movie star
or not?
Is did you get cast in the Odyssey?
Yeah, weirdly, you don't need, we don't need stars to sell the Odyssey, and yet they're
all in the movie.
Right, but it's not about selling the movie, it's about selling themselves.
It's like you really, you need at this point, not just the Olin Nolan, but the Odyssey's
stamp of approval in order to truly be considered, you know, a list.
Yeah, this one, this is interesting.
So on the one hand this weekend at the box office, you've got a movie that completely defies
the idea that movies will ever need movie stars again, the Super Mario Brothers Galaxy
movie, which we were extremely kind to last week on the show.
Just made a goddamn ton of money.
$370.2.5 million worldwide, $190.5 million in five days of release in the US.
We were on spring break with our kids last week.
So is the rest of the child bearing world.
Yeah.
And many of them took their children to go see this movie.
The box office is up 26% year over year.
And to that, I say, not only are we back, we are Johan Sebastian fucking back.
We are so back.
We are back in tin.
It is unbelievable how back we are with movies.
How do you feel about it?
Is that adjusted for inflation?
Up 26%.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, how much does inflation gone up in one year?
I think in Trump's America, I know you're just learning about gas prices, Mr. EV, but
it is a little tough.
I don't need to know anything about that anymore.
I don't know.
What is the percentage increase?
That's nice that people, that's great movies.
They're back.
They all went to see Super Mario Galaxy.
Yeah.
Among other things.
Yeah.
They went to go see goat.
And they went to go see weathering heights.
And they went to go see, obviously Project Tell Mary.
And they also went to go see the drama, which did pretty well over the weekend, considering
it's a movie with that hit the ball that did not reveal its big secret that did not
reveal the turn in the story.
It made $14.4 million in America over the weekend and made twice that overseas, or
excuse me, it made twice that total when you include overseas.
And so this movie, which costs roughly $28 million, has already made $28 million at the
box office.
Yeah.
The movie was sold entirely on Zendaya and Robert Pattinson.
This one feels good.
This one feels a little bit less.
The Super Mario Brothers Galaxy, whatever that piece of slap is, is actually called, was
engineered to make a lot of money at the box office.
And we happily participated in it.
And that's, that's, you know, that's all good.
Commerce turns, you know, whether or not straights are open or not.
So that is whatever.
This which is a movie.
You're getting very political.
I'm just, are you, are you angling for third chair on JMO?
There is a space on this network for those discussions.
I host Women Wednesdays on JMO, okay?
Yeah.
You're not usually in the room.
By the way, this week's episode, goodbye Pam, goodbye, what the Christie, you know,
like quite a week for us.
All your gals from your favorite administration are getting a boot.
Yeah.
Tune into Women Wednesday.
Okay.
We took a break last week because on Women Wednesday, we really take Easter seriously.
Okay, interesting.
Okay.
Um, and what are you doing?
Which one is Wednesday?
They don't do anything on Wednesday and like the Easter Thursday's, Monday, Thursday.
Mm-hmm.
That's, and that's last supper.
Okay.
Friday is good Friday.
That's the cross.
That's the thing, tears, the curtain.
Yeah, I know.
I know, I understand.
I'm trying to hear you talk through it.
Saturday's sort of unaccounted for.
You know, I don't know what's going on.
He's saying he kidnapped.
Well, I actually did what he was getting.
He was getting his powers on.
He was getting, like, according to Canon.
He is risen.
What?
Not on Saturday.
No, he was, he was when he was recuperating.
Okay.
And he was channeling the feelings of the father and getting ready to rise.
But, so Saturday is he in the tomb or not?
The corporeal form?
Yeah.
What's happening to the corporeal form at that point?
We call this the mystery of faith.
I just want a timeline.
Well, it was just not how it works.
Right.
To give yourself over to the spirit.
That is not how I work.
I know.
I know.
So true.
Okay.
So whatever.
Congratulations.
Congratulations.
They were.
They were checking out Sunday and Robert Pazson.
On Holy Wednesday, I went to see Super Mario Galaxy.
Yeah.
No, that's what most people were doing.
But this, you know, writer, director, starring movie stars, it is mostly people talking.
There is a fun amount of, you know, gross out and like a little bit of thriller and a
little bit of Nike, if not like action, then at least like horror flurs.
Yeah.
And I heard from people who saw it over the weekend that it was just a great movie theater
experience.
Totally.
You know, that in the room, there's some shocking reveals.
There's a lot of broad humor actually that plays really well in the space.
God forbid, we release more comedies of movie theaters.
And I don't know if maybe we didn't spend enough time when we were discussing the movie
digging into just how funny it is.
You know that there is that kind of cringe discomfort comedy that the movie I think
attacks really well.
And so people seem to enjoy it.
And we mentioned materialists last week.
And this is a very similar shape to materials, very similar shape to Zendaya's last movie
of this sort, which was Challengers a couple years ago.
I love it, Challengers.
And it's a very exciting.
It's a fun lane that A24 has found.
And we keep talking about what's going to happen to movie theaters, especially with the
consolidation and the powers who will not be named.
And where is the center of movie going?
And can these newer studios fill it a little bit?
And it's weekends like this.
We're like, oh, yeah.
Okay.
Maybe they can just make a movie for grownups.
I agree.
I think the thing that has to happen for this to work though is that somebody like Robert
Pattinson and somebody like Zendaya need to sign on for a movie like this in between
their $250 million event epic films.
You know, effectively just count on the material being good enough that it will be worth
their time and that they'll feel excited about it.
And probably just not make as nearly as much money on it as they could on almost any other
thing that they would spend their time doing.
And it's a sacrifice.
And some stars do this stuff and some don't.
We were really tough on Chris Pratt when he made Mercy earlier this year.
Technically an original movie, but a very stupid original movie.
I think you mean evil.
That's your word.
That's your word.
As we know, you're not with Christ.
You're thinking about the evil.
That's what you understand.
And I'm glad that they took this chance.
And I'm curious to see what kind of legs it has.
It because there is a reveal.
And I don't know if it will hold up to word of mouth, but it does seem like people were
very curious this first weekend.
So it's good news.
And it's great news as a segue for what we're doing today.
Because this is like the proper test, the drama for the thing that we're always talking
about.
I still think stars matter.
I still do.
I don't know if they there are, I don't know if there's more than one that exists in the
way that we had 25 in 1996.
There may only be one.
And we can discuss whether or not we feel that's true.
But there are, there is still something happening with recognizable faces with people that young
people become invested in on television shows, on TikTok, on all sorts of places where
stars are coming from now that then are, it still feels like movies are the ultimate
feeder system.
Like they are the ultimate destination if you're trying to get to a level of awareness.
Give or take your Mr. Beast to the world.
What do you think about that supposition?
I think it's true, but I do think that there is also still something that separates a
movie star from all the, the wannabe fame people.
Because what we have seen is that the casting strategy where it's how many TikTok followers
do you have or how many Instagram followers do you have.
Obviously that doesn't always communicate like skill in acting, but it's not usually
that successful in terms of getting non-movie audiences to a movie.
There is something about an actual movie star, someone who is famous, has some talent
and some presence, but is also associated with the genre of movies, which is separate
than being associated from a franchise.
Robert Pattinson and Zendaya are both in franchises, but they have both been, you know them independently
of Batman or Spider-Man.
They have their own personas and their own awareness, but people still look at them
and think movies as opposed to YouTube or sports or whatever.
And you do, I think that you need that association to get people to take the jump to actually
see a movie.
It can't just be, oh, you know me, so you'll see any product that I'm in.
I think we found that that doesn't work across any medium.
Yeah, especially for something like the drama, which is not pre-branded in any way.
There's nothing in the world other than the wedding fake wedding announcement in the
newspaper that was issued.
They would indicate that this is anything other than just a standalone movie.
And so it's interesting because I think that the star thing is now very much about the
balance that you're describing that those two stars have pursued, that it is independent
or smaller character-based films that come once every two or three franchise films.
And that's really the only way to navigate it.
I give Zendaya a lot of credit for making movies like Challengers, Malcolm and Marie.
You know, she has pursued all of that.
She has a risky stuff, stuff that doesn't always work and has used her credibility and
her fame to I think work with interesting filmmakers and take chances.
But you know, the house made and one of the stars of the house made that will appear
on this list, that was pre-branded in a different kind of way.
In a classical Hollywood kind of way, a successful novel, a steamy erotic thriller, you know,
a very sexy movie.
That's different from the Odyssey.
It's different from Spider-Man brand new day.
But it is a little closer to those than it is to Marty Supreme, for example, which is
a recent example of a genuine movie star pushing a movie to nearly $200 million, almost
by force of charismatic will.
And also an old school example of the movie star press tour.
And the thing that we said or that industry watchers and entertainment weekly said every
week in the 90s of this person can open a movie, which is not really a thing that happens
anymore with the exception of Timothy Chalamet and Marty Supreme and is honestly not even
a metric in the same way it was back then because there is this understanding that there
are so many different valences of like getting people to the movie theaters.
It just isn't 100% starbase and hasn't been for some time.
Yeah, it's been interesting doing this with you for so many years now because people who
we weren't sure if we should even add to the list four years ago or six years ago now
have graduated fully.
It was interesting just to think about the fact that two former members of the list, one
best actress and best actor at the Academy Awards this year.
And you know, Jesse Buckley and Michael B. Jordan were names that we were putting on the list
five, six years ago.
And with Jesse Buckley, it was like, I see something here.
Yeah.
I know if this person's really going to burst through after Wild Rose and Chernobyl,
but she's an example of like we took a risk on someone as fans of hers.
Sure.
But also even there, the definition of movie star is like she won an Oscar for a very
Oscar-coded film, Hamnet, which did not, you know, open to millions and millions of
dollars.
And her quote unquote big box office swing, The Bride, which opened a week before the Oscars.
She did not open that movie.
Yeah.
It didn't open.
It didn't work for a number of reasons.
Yeah.
But that the definition of movie star now is not just 100% box office.
It can't be because of the way the movies are.
Yeah.
So I was trying to think about this because, you know, we're getting ready to do the
Merrill Street polyphane later this week.
And I was thinking about actors of her generation.
And Merrill Street at this point has now had a re-apex like multiple times where she's
opened a hundred million dollar movies in her sixties.
But is she about to do it again?
And she I think she will, which is remarkable.
And I would say unprecedented in movie history, someone who at her this stage of her career,
and we'll talk about that more later this week.
But I was thinking about Glenn Close.
You know, Glenn Close, he also ran is, I know, sadly, but Glenn Close is a movie star.
She is someone who can headline a movie.
She is someone who has given awards worthy performances.
She's been in successful films.
And you would never be like, of course, this movie is guaranteed to make five hundred
million dollars because Glenn Close is in it.
And I feel like someone like Jesse Buckley and maybe some other people that we'll talk about
who we're adding to the list are in a similar zone where if you can carry a movie on your
shoulders and it can make fifty million dollars domestically in twenty twenty six, that
is something that is actually not something to be overlooked.
And we shouldn't only be thinking about this by the standards of billion dollar films.
So there's, I think what I'm saying is there's balance.
Michael B. Jordan helping push sinners to where it went would not have been possible
where he not in black Panther and Creed.
But now that he was in those movies, he's using his, his strength as a star to make bigger
original films.
So I see all of this as part of like a daisy chain of success.
What are, what are the straight thoughts do you have about where we stand with this enterprise
and, and our young stars?
So our rubric here is 50% what you've done, 25% what's coming next and 25% squishy.
You know, like we put it down as who you could be.
You know, it's the, you know, when you see a definition and it is that sort of ineffable
like movie star quality that you and I throw around a lot and it is really something that
like is instinctive and, and it's kind of just really how an audience responds to you.
But it's interesting to watch how the definition of like movie star quality has changed even
since we've been doing this, but also generationally.
And also what does it mean for an audience to respond to you?
They have to respond to you in the film.
I think they do have to respond to you outside of the film more and more like press tour
wise.
Yep.
What even are the like the valences and what, what works as a movie star, what, what
doesn't work.
And again, we will be talking about Timothy Shalamet and you know, and what people respond
to.
So that one, that one's imperfect, but is also is usually the deciding factor, right?
And it's because that's our list and we're in charge.
That's right.
And we're students of this.
Yeah.
And I feel comfortable holding on to that very fake mathematical formulation that we created
some years ago.
I was thinking a bit about television too.
And we have thought about TV as a, again, part of the feeder system over the years, but
we have a handful of very noisy contributors, I would say, to the potential of this list
that are active right now.
But one that I can think of the most that was doing this the last time we spoke was looking
back on the once upon a time in Hollywood cast and saying, wow, was this the most impressive
trampoline for five or six people?
And most of those people were not huge parts of the film.
Like Sidney Sweeney was in once upon a time in Hollywood, but had a very small part.
Austin Butler, we didn't really know at the time what he would become.
Just from that role is text, but this year I look at it and I say, okay, there's, there's
really three shows.
And probably two shows and one that's like a little behind, but Euphoria now has this extraordinary
footprint in terms of its cast, which includes now Zendaya, Sidney Sweeney and Jacob Alority
as this power trio at the very top.
And three, I mean, they weren't like small bit characters in the show.
They were the show.
They are the, they are three of the five primary characters.
I'm not sure why you're talking in past tense because I'm told that we're threatened with
another season of Euphoria very soon.
In one week.
Yeah, which is part of the reason why I think this list is also well timed.
And they're still on it.
Yeah.
This is not a, you know, Beverly Hills 90210 situation where they're just bailing after
two seasons.
It is Beverly Hills 90210 where they've gone to college now, right?
I think that they graduated high school.
I think they graduated beyond that.
I think there's a big time jump that is coming.
Oh, good.
Okay.
I read Sydney Sweeney.
It has her own only only fans page.
That sounds right.
That's how she's earning a living.
Okay.
I think she is maybe married to Jacob Alority's character at this point.
He's supporting her but has some concerns.
Oh, good.
Would you be watching?
I'm sure.
No, absolutely not.
Okay.
People can tell me about it.
But I mean, I just, I have other things to watch.
And listen, did you know that the new season is shot in VistaVision?
That is not a joke.
I really, I really, I really, trust me.
I'm a wear brother.
I'm pumped.
Me too.
I love you for it.
It's insane, but I enjoy it.
Yeah.
In addition to those three stars, Austin Abrams, who we just saw in weapons and we'll talk
about a bit more here, Barbie Ferreira, Mod Apatau, Storm Reed, Hunter Schaefer, who
was on the 2024 list.
That's a lot of people who are up for this.
Can you name the casting director of Euphoria?
Is it Francine Mazzler?
It's Jennifer Venditti.
Oh, that makes so much sense.
Yeah, also in a 24 television show.
That makes a lot of sense.
Jennifer Venditti has found a lot of people over the years.
The other show is Stranger Things, which just came to a conclusion at the end of last year
and I didn't watch it and I quit the show after two and a half seasons.
I quit the show after two and a half episodes and I'm still constantly amazed though at
the staying power.
Not just of the show, but of these kids and they keep bubbling up and Juliette Libman
while I tell me, oh yeah, Stranger Things.
Joseph Quinn.
Apparently on Stranger Things, who knows?
He'll always be Dr. Harrison to me.
I think that was his big breakthrough honestly.
I know.
This is what I'm told, but they're all, it's funny because it really was a gigantic phenomenon
and a huge vehicle for a lot of people.
But I have, it doesn't exist in my world and they don't exist till they come to the movies.
Well, there's a new movie that hit Hulu over the weekend called Pizza Movie that stars
get in Matsuraco, who is one of the stars of Stranger Things.
But he, I wouldn't even put him in the top five of people who could potentially break out
from this show.
You've got Millie Bobby Brown, of course, Finn Wolfhard, Maya Hawk.
You mentioned Joseph Quinn and Sadie Sink who were learning more and more these days.
His mayor may not be Jean Grey in the X-Men.
Oh, is that what we're learning?
That's what we're learning.
Isn't she also on stage right now?
Is she being Juliette?
That is correct.
She's being Juliette.
How's it going?
I think they just did their first show on the West End.
Like recently.
Sadie Sink is playing Juliette on the West End.
Who's from Romeo?
No, a Duke.
Wow.
Vogue is really covering this intensely for some reason.
So I have a lot of info.
Okay, spoiler alert.
Neither Noa, a Duke nor Sadie Sink are on our list.
Okay.
Yes.
And I thought a lot about that because neither of them have really been the star star of
any major movie.
They both done a lot of work.
But it did have me wondering what is the, how much of that, the 50-50 do you want to
lean into when you're making choices?
You know, like this, what you could be and what you have coming up versus what you've
already done.
No juice been a lot of movies.
But I don't know.
I'm already questioning the choices that we made.
Now I'm hearing all this West End news.
That's what it is.
Yeah.
I don't think the reviews are great.
Again, I haven't really clicked through.
That doesn't really matter.
That's the thing is when movie stars do theater, they usually could trashed anyway.
So it's not a big deal.
In addition to stranger things and euphoria, we've also got industry, which had a real
pop in its fourth season.
And of course, has had kind of a rotating cast now.
Like Harry Laudie has moved on from the show.
David Johnson has moved on from the show.
But Mahala is still there.
Marissa Bella is still there.
Kieran and Shipka joined this year.
She is making some noise.
Yeah.
She wants her number to be called at some point.
You think it will be on this episode?
Spoiler alert.
No.
But also industry is a television show.
So what his, what films has Kieran and Shipka been in recently?
She's been in a couple.
Give me a hit me with the list.
She's been streaming.
I'm rolling as fast as I can.
She was in a horror streaming movie a couple years ago.
Sweethearts.
Oh, she was in last show girl.
Last show girl?
That's right.
She was, spoiler alert, very briefly in twisters.
Yes.
Yes.
One of the great kills of that year.
But I chuckled when that happened.
Red one.
Don't remember that.
You know what I never saw that.
I was on leave.
Yeah.
That was a very cool episode that we got to do about that movie.
Which everyone really liked.
We all went out to the movie theater.
And we checked out red one, starring the rock,
Dwayne Johnson.
He was one of Santa's power elves, I think.
Was that what they're called, Jack?
Power.
I don't believe it's what they're called,
but that is generally one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
It's really quite, quite, quite poor.
Yeah.
Brutant for her.
And by the way, these are all the people under 35.
They obviously added like Kittarrington.
Yeah, Max and Gala.
Max and Gala is not on yet.
Yeah.
That show was Cal Penn on it.
Industry?
Briefly?
Season four?
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, J.D.
Plus was on a previous season.
Yeah, yeah.
They've been plenty of industries.
Great.
Are you ready to start getting into the nitty gritty of this?
Of course.
So the biggest losers of this round.
Is it a loser to no longer be eligible?
I mean, I guess it means you're 35 or older.
That's the end.
And do you think that makes you a loser?
I think perhaps so.
Yeah.
So 11 stars have aged out from 2024's list.
Yeah.
So we needed to power up again.
Here's who we lost.
We lost our number one overall choice in 2024.
Margot Robbie.
She's gone.
Jennifer Lawrence was at number five.
She's off the list.
Kristen Stewart was a 12 off the list.
Dev Patel 16 off the list.
Taylor Swift.
Yeah.
That was funny that we did that.
18 off the list.
At the time.
Taylor's 62 now.
How old is she?
She's about to have at least three bridesmaids weekends
according to reports.
So I hope your invitation comes through.
So she getting married?
Recently in the Spotify offices,
they were playing a Taylor Swift playlist, including
the song Taylor Swift wrote for Cats, the film, which
we saw together.
One of the worst songs I've ever heard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The movie was good though.
As I recall, very, very, very, very, very, very,
you know, you've seen the King's speech, but you still have never seen Tom Huber's
Lamezorub.
I have not seen it.
No, no, but I will one day I promise for sure.
Bill Skarsgard 21, he's out.
Dakota Johnson 27 out.
Yeah.
Jesse Buckley 28 out.
Joshua Connor.
He would have had a nice.
I think he's 35, right?
Yeah, he's 35.
So he's out.
Aaron Taylor Johnson out.
Bre Larson out, even though Rosalina reigns in the Super Mario Galaxy movie.
From last year's list, that's 11 people, seven of whom were women.
Can I ask something about Rosalina just really quickly before you may?
Sorry, I know I'm derailing this, but it's just so what happened that Rosalina just
completely lost touch with her.
She said she sent her away to keep her safe, I think.
Okay.
And she sent her to another land to be a princess, but then she didn't realize that
she created trauma for Peach because then Peach didn't know her family.
Why did she send her away?
I don't know.
Probably jealous of her little sister.
Okay.
No, I think there was a legitimate reason.
There was like, there was an, there was an incurring threat.
What are the stars called?
I don't know.
Stars, but they're, but they're safe with Rosalina.
It's just Princess Peach.
Yeah, she's a mother to them.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Thanks.
Thanks for filling me in.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I could have this year and I've aged out.
And I'll tell you the first person I thought of
when I was thinking of this new endeavor was Jonathan Bailey,
who started Wicked and started the most recent Jurassic film.
And I'll tell you what, my wife has taken a real shine to him.
She's wonderful.
He was the only good part of Wicked for good.
Yeah, she just powered through every season of Bridgerton.
She's like, who's that guy?
Yeah.
I mean, he has a who's that guy quality.
It's just sort of the timing of when the last time
we did this list when those films came out
and then his birthday just in the background.
Yes.
So maybe when we do 35 over,
I don't think he's going to be quite that popular.
But so he's out another leap.
Lumer Monica Barbaro, my beloved.
She's out.
She's also over 35.
Listen, you don't need to single me out
on that hour beloved.
Our beloved, okay, hour beloved.
Jeremy Allen White, I think very much
would have had a case for the.
He's job of the hut.
He's roto the hut.
Okay.
Roto, roto, jack.
Not quite sure.
Okay.
New best bid is asking Jack questions.
I know he doesn't know the answer to.
Job of the hut's son.
Oh, okay.
I think in some of the animated shows
is a baby who is kidnapped.
Oh, no.
This new film is an absolutely yoke
colosseum warrior.
Okay.
We'll be doing battle with Mando.
What is his relationship with job alike?
I think it's kind of similar to Bruce Springsteen
in his dad.
I think I think I'm not sure yet.
We'll have to see the film.
Also aged out Lily James and Jack O'Connell.
We've had a very big year.
Who I learned has my birthday, same birthday.
Jack O'Connell.
Yeah.
But you're not the same age.
Who's older?
But sadly, no.
All right.
We dropped some people from this list.
Yeah.
We dropped a bunch of women.
We dropped a bunch of women.
You did it with your choice.
What?
Why did you, we dropped one man as well.
What, who did we drop?
And why did we drop them?
Well, okay, I was writing it again.
We dropped Kaley Spani.
How do you feel about that?
Not good.
That we have another thing on this list called
still not sure why we can't find a spot for them.
And Kaley Spani, I think it's just that it's sort of
a timing issue.
I know that she was in the permit, no, not permit.
It was permit, yes.
No, Romulus.
Romulus, okay.
Movie last year.
But, you know, Priscilla and my favorite movie,
Civil War, where are like a couple years ago now.
She wasn't wake up dead man.
But that was quite bad and her character was not developed.
So her, I think wake up dead man is good.
I didn't really understand her character.
Well, they didn't know what to do with any of the people
who were not Joshua Connor or Daniel Craig in that movie.
Okay.
And or Glen Close, of course.
Or Josh Brolin, sure.
That was your, that's four.
That's four.
But these movies are made with like 25 people.
And Joey Wake up dead man.
She is going to be the star.
Yes.
In the next Sean Durkin movie, Deep Cuts.
Very exciting, but that's again, that's not out yet.
And that's the 2027.
Yes.
She also has Elden Ring and Alien Romulus too,
which might make four billion dollars combined.
Well, that's great, but none of that's happened.
I didn't cut Kaley Spani for the record.
I'm just providing additional content.
We had to make room.
Okay.
And she is just kind of in a middle place.
And it's, as I said, it's the timing issue.
It's, is this because she wanted Kirsten Dunst
to wear a dress and civil war?
Is this why you've done this?
Try this on.
It's green.
Yeah, it's green.
It will help you feel like a woman
because this is what womanhood is.
As you know, because you've been paying attention.
How, that's right.
I'm a friend to women.
Everyone is saying that.
Yeah.
How often, how many times a day?
Yeah.
I put on a dress and look at yourself in the mirror
and think, no, yeah, I've done it again.
That's true.
Yeah, especially like it in my home
with living with two men under the age of five.
It's three to four times, you know?
Yeah.
That seems healthy.
Yeah.
Kaley Spani out.
Yeah.
Don't know if I agree with that.
Jody Comer out.
You're, this is a list that you co-authored.
So I did.
I did.
Well, we'll come back to that.
Jody Comer out, terrific actress.
I think she's made some good movies in the last few years.
She is, you know, didn't really open the bike riders
and she had a smaller part in 20 years later.
She's magnificent in 28 years later.
We lost me eight years later.
Yeah.
Again, this is another one where the timing of when this list
falls in your career.
This is an example of you thinking like a studio executive
where she's getting really close to 35
and you're ready to dispense with her, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like good luck, Jody Comer.
No one talks like that.
Rachel Zegler has speed bump with Snow White.
Yep.
I think she'll be back.
No, she's doing a Vita.
She's doing a Vita.
She's doing Juliette.
No, she's doing a Vita.
A Vita.
Yeah.
You're putting a little...
Don't cry for me, have a Vita.
Putting a little spice on that.
A Vita.
Wow.
What will we do in Android, Web, or episode?
I guess we already did it with cats, but...
I find them all to be bad films.
If you do, it might be the best movie.
Best movie.
Best movie of his work.
Yeah.
Speaking of, we may or may not be on a Madonna movie
is episode at some point.
I don't want to, but it's not on.
I don't know if I've been fully booked for that.
I am prepared to do it.
Yeah.
I'm waiting for confirmation on my end.
Okay.
Well, I remember seeing a Vita with the T in theaters.
I saw it in theaters on a school trip.
Wow.
Really?
Yeah.
Where was the trip to?
No movie theater.
Oh, I thought you meant like while you were on TV.
You didn't do the stage show.
Not the stage show.
Or I don't know.
I thought that you went to see the movie while you were in like Baltimore or whatever.
No, no, no.
I don't know whether they're making a new...
Are you a Vita?
Are you a Vita?
Yeah.
And she was nominated for an Olivier, I see.
Okay.
I mean, she's terrific.
I just don't want to talk about it.
She's really talented.
I think she needs to get some stronger movies going.
Hunter Schaefer never really took off for her.
Yeah.
After the 2024 list, I thought it was going to the horror film for Neon didn't totally
click.
She might be back too.
We'll see.
We dropped the Keith Stanfield.
Yeah.
And we find him at a tricky moment in his career.
Because we say this always happens to women, but it's happening to a man as well.
Which is he's still very young and he's had a lot of bites at the apple.
And there's a real sliding doors thing where I feel like one of the Star Wars projects that
was pitched, he was being tabbed as like one of the key Jedi stars.
And if he had got...
If that movie had happened before the Kathy Kennedy regime ended, I think we'd be having
a different conversation.
But he had a couple of movies that didn't totally click.
Book of Clarence didn't hit.
And then all of a sudden you wake up and you find yourself the fourth lead in Roofman.
And also die my love.
And die my love.
Yeah.
Which I thought that character was quite strange.
And he was mostly a manifestation of desire.
Yes.
So I would like to see him similar to the photograph just like in a studio movie as the lead.
But the photograph was 2020.
So I know.
It's been a while.
Yeah.
Yeah.
After the photograph and Jews in the Black Messiah, I was like, okay, it's happening.
I'm just in Atlanta.
This is happening for him and it has slowed down a little bit.
Also took off Adrian Arhona.
Now that is not a judgment on my feelings about her as a person.
I was so outraged when I noticed this that I, you know, Google and really sought to put
my case together because I too, I'm just like incredibly pro, Adrian Arhona.
But the movies that she's been in recently have been smaller and the Thomas Crown affair
co-starring Mike B. Jordan is not out yet.
So she could be back.
She just, you know, she's just continuing to be cast as the girl, you know, and not as
the person at the center.
And I think the father of the bride is probably the last movie where she was really at the
center of the frame, right, fair to say.
So she's off.
Those were tough cuts.
There's a few people who were in the pipeline who we did not include.
Right.
We'll mention them right now.
And she knows you know, a jupe is brother, a Kobe jupe.
He of Ham to death.
Right.
And also like doing a bit at every award show.
Yes.
It's very cute and very, very game.
Yeah, they're promising.
Madeline Klein.
Which ones that?
Oh, I know what you did last summer.
Yes.
She's a star of outer banks.
Right.
Her co-star from outer banks, Drew Starky also not here, by the way.
But he's also going to be the star of that movie.
The Sean Durkin film, Obstacle, he's spain.
He was good and queer.
I'm keeping him on him.
Yeah, of course.
The Beatles, boys.
So one made it.
Too made it.
Too made it.
Too didn't.
So Harris Dickinson, what do you have to say for yourself?
You know, his time will come.
Okay.
John movie is coming.
And I, it's sometimes you just have things for yourself and that's fine.
We'll talk for John.
I think they'll work it out.
Who's the other one?
Joseph Quinn.
Stranger Things, Torch.
Yeah.
Torch always overlooked.
What did you think of his work as the human torch?
I didn't really understand what was going on with the human torch.
Okay.
He flames up, flame on.
Yeah, but like, did they ever really?
And then what's up with Vanessa Kirby?
She's elastic?
Nope.
Nope.
That's the film, the Incredibles.
She is the visible woman.
But she is the visible woman.
This.
She's like violet from the Incredibles.
And then the Incredibles is inspired by the Fantastic Four.
Yeah.
No, I understood that when I watched the Fantastic Four.
And then the poor Ebony Moss back rack speaking of people on Broadway.
Didn't get to show his face.
Nope.
He's playing Ben Grimm and K.A.
The thing.
And then Pedro Pascal is like, his catchphrases.
It's clobberant time.
Okay.
And then Pedro Pascal is like, is so smart that he can't like hold his head up basically.
And it's the burden of intelligence, right?
I'm, I mean, one of the most relatable characters of 2025.
I, Harris Dickinson is out.
Joseph Coley is out.
Yeah, none of those people are on this list.
Rachel Senet.
Yeah, I mean, I get it.
But she's, she put her money with TV for a little.
We shouldn't do that.
Well, maybe she'll come back rap.
And she's Sui Wonders also spent 2025 on a TV show.
Havana Rose Lou.
Well, I think it's very good in this movie with another person who we did not include Leo
Woodall and Tuner.
Right.
And I hope it really works out for those two.
And I believe in them.
Leo Woodall definitely has the, he's got the, he's got the look.
He's got the look of a dude.
He's got a speed ass.
He's got, he could, he could be a player.
Isabel May was recently the daughter in scream seven.
And she is from the extended Taylor Sheridan universe.
Okay.
She's not here.
Congratulations.
Nicholas Galaton.
I, I wondered why you didn't put it on.
But it's because Masters of the universe hasn't come out yet.
Well, and I see by the way that you've just written me off Masters of the universe episode.
Uh, yeah, I'm happy to announce I'll be doing that episode with Griffin Newman.
It will be probably the most normal episode of all time.
Griffin of course did voice Orco from one of the human, uh, I know it's important to
you and you like you have your thing.
I think if it's a disaster of a movie, which is in play.
Yeah.
I don't want your negativity.
I need to be protected by, by safe, by safe space.
Now I'm viewing Griffin in this case.
But you don't think I can't just ask you about he man for a while in the next episode.
Okay.
If you choose to see it, I'm not sure you're going to get anything out of Masters of the
universe.
Although, although your sons may want to come see it with me.
I mean, you're welcome to take my sons any time for however many hours you want.
I, I, I, yeah, I don't really know anything about he man, but Si has a bruise or he man
quality about how power of grace.
Yeah.
He does.
He is like Adam.
Um, and he's veering towards the haircut also.
You know, because we have the names.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, Nicholas Galton, maybe he should be on.
Where you want to put him?
Well, red, white and blue is a very big red, white and blue.
Who's coming out?
Yes.
Um, I don't think Masters of the universe is going to hit.
I could be wrong, but it is a big Amazon movie idea of you.
The idea of you, obviously, he was the star of that opposite end, half the way.
And I think he has one other big project coming up.
Can you help me out, figure out what that is?
Oh, it's, um, I just stopped at Googling his age.
Oh, he's in the sheep detectives.
Is that what you were thinking about?
I was thinking of that.
I'm not sure if that means he should be on the list.
And he's also apparently in the new Peter Berg movie.
I'm a skit-o-bull.
Yes.
Is that what you were thinking about?
That's a sports movie.
And I think he's the star.
Is he the star of that film?
Yes.
Shoot.
Okay.
Galton, what do you think?
I thought Masters of the universe trailer looked abhorrent, so I personally would be out,
but I think the case is compelling.
Okay.
Thank you for that, Jack.
I will keep him out for now, but you could say that maybe we screwed that up.
Hannah Einbender from Hacks.
We got to see it first.
This is the star of Teenage Sex and Death at Camelay Asma, the new Jane Shone-Brun movie.
She's also starring in a movie that just premiered at South by a romantic drama, I think.
Sorry, I was distracted because I was just reading the cast of sheep detectives, so I'm just
really excited.
Feel free to share it.
No, I closed it now.
Okay.
But like, Devil Wars Prada 2 may first, and then sheep detectives may, this is just really
amandable, you know?
Is sheep detectives something you're interested in?
I also remember when we saw it at the set of Macon Lys and we were like, is this a joke?
This was part of the famous Amazon presentation, which is late at night, so I was drunk.
So.
And then Emma Thompson did a whole, did a real from like a random street in London where
there was someone carrying luggage over cobblestones.
Do you remember this?
Yeah.
I can't believe that's a real movie.
Movie's coming out in one month.
I'm pretty excited.
Okay.
You know, I put Charlie XCX on the list and you took her off.
I did.
And I thought it was a funny bit.
Oh, do you have Charlie XCX on the list?
Yeah.
No, I do too, but we just, we don't have room here.
We have to do.
She's doing a lot of acting though.
I know she's making her for a intermovies and I think she's very good.
Okay.
And we really, really liked the moment.
We watched a hard days night at home last night at my house and I was like, oh, this is,
you know, the moment is like in the grand tradition of, of this sort of thing.
I'm, I'm very pro, but we just had to make room for other things.
Over the last, if you go back to last December, all the way until this fall, so in a 12 month
period, she will have appeared in not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not
six, but seven films.
Sure.
Now, she's only the star of one or two of them.
And how widely seen are any of those?
Not very.
Right.
We don't know.
We don't, I mean, faces of death comes out this weekend.
She has a small supporting part in that movie.
I don't know if the gallerist yet received distribution after Sundance got some not very
nice reviews, I would say, Kathy Ann's new movie.
The moment, you know, that was a niche hit for the amandas of the world.
I enjoyed it.
I'm very pro.
Okay.
I just think that we have to make room other places.
Because she's a woman.
Yeah.
That's what it is.
There are a lot of women in our list.
Lewis Pullman.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Is this a mistake to not include Lewis Pullman?
Is Lewis Pullman well known?
He was a presenter at the Academy Awards this year.
With his dad.
Yes.
Yes.
So you're saying it's a nepothing.
We should not include him because nepotas are not allowed on the list.
Their bit was about being a nepot baby if I recall.
That was quite painful.
Yeah.
Not all of the bits were well written at the Oscars.
It was wonderful, but I think this is another one.
So he was in Thunderbolts.
Very good in Thunderbolts.
He's going to be a big part of Doomsday, I think.
Yeah, but is Doomsday out yet?
No.
No, it's not.
And then he was in Testament of Analy in a supporting role.
He's very good in that.
But like you and I and four other people saw it.
That's great.
Wait, can we share the bit about how the Testament of Analy choreographer is the mean wedding
instructor in the drama.
It's perfect casting.
It's a brilliant salute everyone involved.
Brilliant gag.
I just I think it's happening.
Okay.
But not quite yet.
Okay.
I'm big.
I'm a big fan.
I've thought of someone else.
Okay.
Kaya Gerber speaking of.
Yeah.
Not a star and yet weirdly very famous and has been in a bunch of movies.
Has a small role in two movies that are coming out this month.
She's an outcome, the new Jonah Hill streaming movie, which will be randomly appearing on Apple
TV on Friday and Mother Mary.
I'm a huge fan.
Okay.
But I she's just she's doing kind of like the Charlie X the X thing, but without even
being at the center of the frame, which is just she has good taste and is showing up
randomly in cool movies.
Okay.
She's a very successful model.
Do you want is she?
How do you know that?
We've seen her in a lot of times.
She's doing this and she has and she has a very successful book that's very rigorous.
What was the last book that they read?
I don't know.
Let's Google it together.
But it's like it's stuff.
Both she and do Alipa are picking stuff where I'm like that is way too hard.
What do we talk like?
Will you get us?
What are we talking about here?
I mean, do Alipa, it's not too hard, but she did like Marilyn Robinson recently and
I was like, I don't want to cry.
That's great.
No, it's wonderful.
I'm just kind of let's see.
Guy Gerber Book Club, Library Science.
Okay.
What are we doing?
Is this most recent one?
Ruins Child.
This is independent publishing.
I mean, listen.
This is these are deep cuts.
Giata Scolidario.
It looks great.
Scoda, Scoda Yaro.
Okay.
Library Science.
That's the name of her show.
This is a name of the book club.
Yes.
It's just a club.
It's not there's no podcast attached to it.
I believe that there is.
Is it a club that has a limited number of members?
You know what?
I'm not a member, so I don't know.
Let's find out.
Oh, so Hamnet was a couple months ago.
I did read that.
Okay.
But these are not Jamie Quattro.
Stephanie LeCava.
Sure.
I know these writers.
Yeah.
That's cool.
Stephens Viag.
This is what I'm saying.
Wow.
I love that.
That's exciting.
Yeah.
I'm on Marta.
I've been wanting to read this.
This is real hipster millennial taste right here.
I know.
But it's serious stuff.
Okay.
So Jane Fonda's memoir.
Sure.
Oh, I mean, listen.
You're told in Tina.
I mean, sure.
We need to do a book club with Jane Fonda's memoir.
It's so good.
Me and you.
Yeah.
Have another.
It's crazy stuff.
Anyway.
All right.
Well, sorry to Kayakur.
She's got other things going on.
She doesn't need us.
By the numbers, we have 17 new entrants this list, which is a lot.
Mm-hmm.
There are more women than men.
Yeah.
Which, as I said, is how Hollywood works, where we take them seriously at the age of 25 and
then cast them off forever.
We're a part of the problem.
I'm always solving problems.
If you listen to me consistently on this show, especially at the top of show, I'll say,
here's what's happening.
Yeah.
Here's what I think it means.
Act accordingly.
And if people want to listen, you, that's great.
That's great.
Fine that they listen.
You'd be surprised.
You'd be surprised.
All right.
Here's the real question.
Do you find that I listen?
Well, that I know doesn't happen.
Well, that's kind of by design, right?
Yeah.
I was like, let me get somebody who hates me.
But then they'll be more excited about my opinions because they know it'll already be pre-negged
so they don't have to neg for me.
This is all, this is industrial design.
Okay.
That's what I was saying.
That's beautiful.
You are, you know, you're the true puppet master.
One last name I want to throw you away before we get into the 35 Cooper Hoffman.
This isn't the good actors list, right?
Once upon a time, somebody who worked on the social team here put this up and was like,
here are the 35 best actors under 35.
And everybody was like, you guys should kill yourselves because these are not the 35 best
actors.
And that's the only time that's happened.
That one was particularly difficult because obviously movie stardom is what we're talking
about here.
But Cooper Hoffman did star in the long walk last year.
Right.
And very much carried the film with David Johnson, the industry star.
And he was, you know, he's going to be in Gregorak.
He's new movie.
I want your sex, opposite Olivia Wilde and Charlie X, he acts.
I think he also has the look, so to speak, obviously, also from a lineage of great acting.
He's not here.
Did you know he's an artificial?
It did.
Yes.
He's playing Greg Brockman, co-founder of OpenAI.
Yes, of course.
And I definitely knew that.
Well, I thought after you watched your one AI documentary and you're like the expert.
I know that man's name did not come up.
Okay.
There's a lot of Sam Altman and Greg Brockman.
That's not like fake names.
I'm like fake names.
Here's what I'm doing is I have, I'm hovering the cursor over his name on the artificial
page and reading the like pop up biography.
So he's his screenshot, his Wikipedia photo is him with a tiny Brittany mic staring off
into the distance, looking very solemn.
And then it says he's co-founder and president of OpenAI.
He began his career at Stripe in 2010 and he left in 2015 to co-found OpenAI.
Okay.
Good luck.
Greg Brockman and Sam Altman has tremendous dirt digler and read Rothschild energy.
He's all I'm saying.
Yeah.
Those are great names.
All right.
Through to the list.
Yeah.
Any final prayer?
It's artificial going to be a Venice.
I know likelihood.
Just.
I got it.
I got stuck in the rain for 45 minutes because someone I won't name who needed to make
sure the sound levels were just right before letting us all in.
It's okay.
Number 35 is IO Debris.
Yeah.
Now, I strongly considered taking IO off the list.
IO was it num as was on the list last year.
She had a tough year.
She did a lot of work.
She was present.
She starred in our buddy, Marc Anthony Green's opus.
She also...
Speaking of after the hunt.
Yes.
Appeared in after the hunt.
Unsuccessfully, I would say.
Yeah.
And she appeared in LMK.
Not her fault, but truly the weirdest part of LMK to me was her subplot that felt kind
of beamed in from another planet.
I also didn't know that she was going to be in it.
So had a certain element of surprise.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's just a lot of swings and...
On paper, good swings.
Yeah.
And this happens sometimes that it's just things don't pan out for you.
Box office wise, critically, whatever.
But so we have traditionally used spot 35 for, you know, as kind of like a thank you and
a good luck and we'll see a real on the edge person, but also someone who really made
a go for it.
And I like that I would ever retried.
And she is also very much like...
She is still the star part.
She seems like she has a real public consciousness.
Now a lot of that is because of the bear.
And a lot of that is because she's like very beautiful and you know, is very...
Has embraced the fashion world.
I think she has a Chanel partnership.
So...
Do you?
I wish.
Man.
And I'm wearing Nusinelle today.
I...
On the Devil Wars prodator.
And...
You're like today I thought you meant like a found coffee.
No, no, no, no.
I just, you know, because she...
It's interesting.
She and Anne Hathaway are doing like the international photo call thing and they're really
going for it.
Okay.
And I had this moment this morning or I was like, oh, now I'm in the phase of life where
I want Marles outfit more than I want.
And Annie's outfit.
But in this case, it's because she was wearing Nusinelle.
She now is very big right now.
Don't have Matthew Blassey.
I don't know.
You up on any of this?
I mean, you make it sound like Chanel was like down bad for 10 years or something.
It was.
It was actually because...
It's fucking Chanel.
Like, they're still...
They're going to always be in the...
Yeah, but that shit was ugly.
We know it.
Remember the Margaret Qualies outfits in the Glen Powell movie that we both like, the
John Patton Ford movie?
Yes.
There was like very tacky Chanel on purpose.
How to make a killing?
How to make a killing.
Good movie.
Like it.
Anyway.
That is old Chanel.
This is Nusinelle.
I would debris.
She has Nusinelle, but she has not had a lot of luck at the box office, so she will be
number 35.
She's appearing next in...
Well, it looks like a supporting part in Clarissa, which is Ari and Chico, a series adaptation
reimagining of Mrs. Dalloway.
If you read Mrs. Dalloway.
25 years ago?
Okay.
I've never read it for Junior Wolf.
Yeah.
Oh, God.
I wanted her to re-watch The Hours.
I don't.
You're not going to re-watch it?
Why would I re-watch The Hours?
I don't know, because we're doing Mirror Star.
I wanted to know.
I am trying to know.
I am trying to know.
Same, but I don't know.
No.
The opening shot of her with a giant bouquet of flowers is very big on Instagram.
Anyway.
Okay.
Thanks for sharing.
I-O doesn't really have a whole lot planned beyond that.
There's been talk that she's maybe making a Barney movie, Barney The Purple Dinosaur
in the spirit of the Barbie reimagining.
But we'll see, interesting pivot point for her career.
Number 34.
Do you want to read these every other?
Sure.
You want to go back and forth?
Aw, snaprams.
Yeah, so my guy, my guy from weapons who played the addict.
He's your guy, but he's really Chris Ryan's guy.
He is Chris Ryan's guy.
He has a very, very big year coming because he is the star of Zach Kregger's resident
evil.
Have you followed any of the news around the resident evil movie?
Just that those of you who are very excited for it are going to get exactly what you want.
There was some news about it, test screening.
Yeah.
Here are the phrases that were thrown out there.
The Mad Max Fury Road of horror movies and 90 minutes long.
I'm a huge admirer of Zach Kregger.
Let's go, baby.
Let's go.
You guys deserve to have nice things too.
It's so exciting.
He's also going to be in an original movie called Whale Fall from Brian Duffield, which
comes out in the fall as well.
Can I give you a really weird person who reminds me of a little bit?
I thought you were going to read the premise of Whale Fall.
You should really read it.
I do, but I can't.
A scuba diver, Austin Abrams, searching for his father's remains in the ocean is swallowed
by a sperm whale, leaving him an hour to find a way to escape.
It's like escape room joke.
Correct.
Joke?
Jona.
Jona.
I'm going to get kicked off.
You let fake go away.
I'm going to get kicked off Women Wednesday.
You just, you let go of the Christian rope and you begin forgetting these allegories, these
tales that mean so much to our culture.
Whale Fall sounds really interesting.
It sounds like a complicated movie to make.
Resident Evil sounds incredible.
No, the Persona of the Neighborhoods reminds me of weirdly is-
If you're inside a whale, are you so living or are you like, just gravity work when you're
swallowed by a whale?
But just production, Monty.
You see so much.
If you're not watching on video, you got to see Sean's reaction on that one.
Welcome to Amanda Toppins' Science Corner.
Is there water in the whale that he's swimming?
Is there gravity?
Like what is it, Judy?
Is there gravity?
Like, are you just walking around?
Is it just like on a stage?
Because he's just like in the- but that is it.
I don't know what you're saying.
Are you asking about the production of the film?
Yes, I'm asking like what environment is going to be it?
It's September when he comes on the podcast.
I don't know what happens when you get swallowed by a whale.
Like are you also floating?
Like are you subject- are you lighter?
Are you subject to the, you know, the atmospheric pressure of the whale or of the ocean?
I gotta tell you, save it for Woman Wednesdays.
Like, what is this?
That's cool.
That's called Science Corner.
You know, you're like, you think you're in the like what is her legendary,
but you're actually asking unanswerable questions.
Like I could never know what you're asking.
Maybe I'm again, Science Corner is just a conversation starter.
Like what do you think?
I have no idea.
I tell you what, more pertinently.
Okay.
I don't care.
Okay, wow.
Awesome Abrams, I care about your work.
The actor that he reminds me of is Tom Hanks.
I'm just gonna put that out there.
I've been trying to say for the last five minutes.
And he does.
So I'm happy that he's on this list.
Number 33, McKenna Grace.
Yeah.
She's 19 years old.
This is a swing.
This is a swing.
Is McKenna Grace a bigger star than Kaley Spani?
In my opinion, she's not.
Well, but regretting you, screams haven't, and she's in the new Hunger Games.
Yes.
You know?
Yes.
And Five Nights are Freddy's two.
She's been in a lot of very, she's, she's been seen a lot in movies.
That's a way to put it.
Sorry.
Okay.
I can imagine that like, I've done McKenna Grace.
Number 23, way to go.
I thought it was my face.
I'm literally 32 more of these to get through.
I'm just like, imagine like how big is the way?
Like, have you get from top to bottom?
I think there's some like childhood book illustrations floating through my head right
now, but I'm focused on McKenna Grace and the Hunger Games.
You're the Whales name is Job.
Oh, Jonah, I was like pretty close.
I said, that's not the whale.
That's the man swallowed by the whale.
I know that.
Yes, that's correct.
Have you seen Pinocchio?
Which one?
Walt Disney's.
Yeah, a long time ago.
He gets swallowed by a whale.
Are you serious?
I remember.
I remember his nose.
I remember Guillermo D'Ottaro made him a fastest.
You're swallowed by monster.
I remember Chow Papa.
Okay.
All right.
Well, you got some book learned to do.
McKenna Grace, I think is a good pick.
I'm not sure if it's the expense of Kaley Spaniel makes sense, but she, you know, she's
in the Ghostbusters films, obviously as well.
She played Egon Spangler's granddaughter.
Is that correct?
Yes.
It's been a lot of franchise stuff.
Yeah, but you need one of these.
One of these people who is just kind of like, yes, I will be the shiny face of every single
thing that makes a decent amount of money.
I generally agree.
77 acting credits by 19 is absurd.
That's scary.
Wow.
What a workhorse.
Those are a lot of broad numbers.
Number 32, Miles Kaden.
Okay.
So he's incredible in sinners.
Yeah.
He got a sag nomination.
He performed magnificently at the Academy Awards.
He is a musician and has no acting credits lined up after sinners.
How do we feel about this?
You don't want to stick him into just anything that's bad.
I think he would feel worse if he had like, McKenna Grace's lineup coming up, you know,
Miles Kaden now in like five nights at five.
I think you might be playing the whale in Whalefall.
I think it's been, I think they've been trying to keep that under wraps.
But I, so you want them to have like an actual music movie or something where they can use
his particular talent.
On the other hand, like it's been almost a year since sinners came out.
So get on it.
Agreed.
Number 31, Ava Victor.
Yes.
So they burst onto the scene with sorry, baby.
Yeah.
They're going to be in teenage sex and death at the chemisma and also behemoth.
Very promising.
I'm wondering, do you think Ava Victor will be a lead performer or supporting character in
most of the work that they do?
It has great character actor shows up steals three to four scenes energy and then also
can keep writing their own material like sorry, baby for themselves.
So you, you could see a world in which Ava Victor just shows up like, you know, keeps
the lights on, keeps doing interesting stuff in other places and then writes their own
work.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Where Ava Victor's career goes.
Okay, number 30.
Chase Infinity.
Yeah.
25 years old has only appeared in one film in one streaming television series.
Snub turn Academy Award nomination in my opinion.
One thousand percent.
Probably should have gone into supporting.
That's just me.
No.
Who won supporting?
Amy Madigan.
Oh, yeah.
No.
I think they wanted a compete against Tiantil or something.
I think that was good.
She was fine.
She's got a new film coming out called the Julius set.
Yeah.
She's also about to appear or maybe is already appearing on a Hulu show.
Here's a weird question to ask while making a list like this in which she appears.
But is she going to make it?
I hope so.
I think it's as great like a launch as the in one battle of another as you can ask for.
And I think that no one knows how to use actors quite like Paul Thomas Anderson.
And he creates like a very special place.
But if you think about all of the people who have been featured in his films, they do find
other lighting places.
So I'm thinking of other people on our list who had incredible debut like this.
Yeah.
I don't know any names.
And we'll leave this up as we go through some of these conversations because there's
a couple people who sheer minds.
We have a lot of it.
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Okay, number 29 Barbie Ferrer.
This is kind of a reach, but it's a well time to reach.
She is about to star in two movies in two weeks.
She's the lead in faces of death, which comes out on Friday.
And then she's also the lead in my own kicks, which comes out on the 17th.
She was in pop trivia.
No likes it last year.
And she was previously on euphoria.
She's been a nope.
I just I feel I feel I feel a vibe.
This is your pick.
This is this is kind of where Kaley Spani was.
This is where Charlie XCX was in this range.
And you take some swings again, timing does play a factor in when when we do this episode
and when we release this list.
But I buy it.
I guess we'll see in a week or two, but but right now also a model.
There you go.
I mean, every month a model now you're a model.
Am I being your your image and your Alex Miller shirts are regularly featured,
visually across social media and Netflix.
So you know, it's really just a mindset.
Am I being compensated for that work?
Well, that's a larger conversation, isn't it?
Okay.
28 Dominic Cessa.
Dominic Cessa, best known for his work and now you see me now you don't.
As well as the holdovers, his big breakthrough in the Alexander Payne film a few years back.
And he will soon portray Anthony Bourdain in that Johnson's Tony.
Total gut reaction will Tony be an Oscars movie?
I don't think so.
Okay.
Because I think I'm nervous about it.
Not that I like everybody involved.
I really like my Johnson.
I obviously liked Anthony Bourdain.
I like Dominic Cessa.
Who else is in it that I'm forgetting?
I know.
Okay.
But it's it's such a thorny subject and then it feels if you're if you're going to do an
unconventional biopic, it seems like a awkward situation in which to be doing that.
It's a great cast.
Leo Woodall also in the film Antonio Banderas.
Yeah.
Amelia Jones and Stavros Halchius, Stavvy, baby.
I like it.
But I think that it won't hit the traditional biopic range that gets you, you know, your
Judy Oscar.
Okay.
And on the other on the other side of things.
I don't know how it's going to go.
I don't know.
The whole girl will be as good as Judy.
Jesus.
I think another dude who's got the look.
He needs good material.
But I thought he fit in pretty well in the big shiny dumb third.
Now you see me movie.
He was very charismatic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Number 27 also also a vibes pick.
I'll say.
But I like the pick Emily Bader who we saw who I saw.
Not for the first time.
If someone reminded me that people we meet on vacation, which was our big break.
There was not the first time I ever saw her.
The first time I ever saw her was in paranormal activity next of kin.
Okay.
Which she was the star of, which was I think the Amish set paranormal activity movie directed
by William Ubank, one of the great underrated program directors.
She's got two movies coming out.
The 99ers in which she's playing me a ham in the biopic of the US women soccer team.
And it is apparently going to be an remake of 13 going on 30.
Yes.
Which was met with a lot of hand-ringing among the 13 going on 30 conversation, like a community.
Do you consider yourself a monster?
I'm not a member of that community.
So I list I respect Jennifer Garner and Mark Ruffalo immensely, but they can remake
that.
You respect them immensely immensely.
I think I've seen it.
I think I've seen it.
It's just it's not one of my ones.
I think I was a little too old when it happened.
You were neither 13 or 30.
Correct.
So I, we saw her at the DJs and I was just like, God damn.
That's pretty much why she's on this list.
She's just very striking and has something that is extremely rare, I think in actors,
which is I will call a Sandra Bullock quality.
She's not the hottest actress ever.
She's not maybe not Merrill Street, but she has a kind of very relatable normality.
Yeah, while also being really, really pretty.
She's beautiful, but and I'm not trying to reduce that, but there's something very regular
about her, something common seeming in a good way that I think makes it very easy for her
to plug into modern stories.
And so I'm curious to see her.
She's taking on a biopic role.
That's a different kind of acting.
She's got more arrows in her quiver than I know about, but I think we both were pretty
impressed with her.
She's instantly relatable to the point that at the, at the DJs, she was in the bathroom
at the same time.
And I almost reached out to her, just be like, you are so great, which I don't know that
person.
And I don't like talking to the celebrities.
Like I really don't like talking to people, but there is something.
She has like a connection with audiences.
So I think it's a good pick.
Okay.
Number 26 is Bad Bunny.
Yeah.
Bad Bunny is a superstar.
Yes.
He's appeared in multiple films now.
It seems like if he wanted to do this between his work in caught stealing, happy Gilmore
to bullet train and also his work in the WWE and on Saturday Night Live.
Yeah.
He probably could just act in comedies.
And I guess in action movies to some extent, and he does have a film coming called Puerto Rico.
It's like a little bit of a cheeky pick, but maybe not as much as I think it is.
I don't think it could definitely happen.
He was the best part of having Gilmore too.
Yeah.
I watched the whole thing.
Yeah.
He's really good.
He obviously has a ton of presence.
And he's sort of that thing where he has a huge audience from music, from wrestling,
from just, from all the other things that he does, where it's like, oh, we put a very
famous person in this movie.
To your point, he backs it up every single time.
Yes.
So I think it works.
This is sort of, this is Taylor Swift is no longer eligible, but this is the Taylor Swift
spot.
It certainly is.
Okay.
25, a late ad.
Yes.
Which I feel good about.
It's Aaron Pierre.
Now if it were merely on the strength of Rebel Ridge, I think it would have been a debatable
pick.
He's done some voice work in Mufasa, the Lion King and in Goat.
He was on the Underground Railroad series adaptation.
His next three things are really fucking big.
So he's in Star Wars Starfighter, the new Gosling movie.
By the way, Gosling out of the Daniels movie, you saw that.
I did.
I saw that.
What do you think happened there?
I think that some people.
It was announced in the like 36 hours later.
I think some people really wanted him to be in it.
And so yeah.
And so they announced it hoping that it would work out.
Interesting.
Nevertheless, Aaron Pierre will be in Starfighter.
He'll also be in Man of Tomorrow, the next Superman movie.
And he's going to be on the streaming series Lanterns.
Now I assume you did not listen to the house of our hype draft.
I love you all, but no.
Okay.
I was on that episode.
I selected Lanterns.
I think I selected Lanterns.
Tell me more about Lanterns.
Lanterns is.
So a man is swallowed by a whale.
Damon Lindelof adapting the Green Lantern story.
Okay.
DC comic books.
Do you know about the Lanterns?
They're an interstellar core of crime fighters and superheroes.
They have rings.
Those rings allow them to create anything that they can imagine with their mind.
But how powerful are their minds?
Well, it's a good question.
It does come up over the years in the comic book.
The TV series, which starts Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre as two canonical.
I think they're playing Hal and John to very famous Lanterns.
But it's pitched as a true detective style.
Boots on the ground, crime show.
Then they also have these rings where they can make green superpower stuff.
And my take on that episode was they better be fucking lanterning.
If it is just a gritty Logan style, we're just out of your solving crime thing.
Big fucking problem for me.
All the lanterns are green.
All the lanterns are green.
It's not like a there may be some yellow situation where you're like you get or like
my I'm not a lantern expert.
Okay.
That's not like a power Rangers.
I'm not a lanternite.
I like the green lantern comic book series.
Sure.
But I'm not an expert.
And historically, the movies have been quite bad.
Well, there's only been one film.
Okay.
And stars, Ryan Reynolds and that entire the it crucial Bill Simmons article about movie
stars, right?
Yes.
And hilariously, after that piece was written, Ryan Reynolds turned into perhaps the single
largest movie star of his generation.
Yeah.
I think Bill summation there was like, this guy doesn't got it.
I'm sorry to say.
And you can make the case that he doesn't got it.
But he has he has managed to transform himself into a very, very popular person.
Aaron Pierre, that's a TV show.
That's not even a movie.
But being in these two big movies and then hopefully things with the mold of Rebel
Rich and then fame, you know, famously Rebel Ridge, he wasn't supposed to be in that movie.
It was John Boyega.
I remember left the film.
Yeah.
Aaron Pierre replaced him and he is phenomenal in that movie.
So again, some vibes picks going here.
We're going to start.
There's really lantern core core.
Yes.
CORP.
Yeah.
But it's not a corporation.
No, no, no, but it's green lantern.
So they're all green.
Yes.
Okay.
Yes.
If you could lantern any item, what would it be?
Well, it's their impermanent with what's lanterns like.
So like how but how impermanent?
Maybe the heartbreak kid on 4K and Lane Mays Masterpiece.
But then it goes away.
Just to watch it one time.
Okay.
And then I feel good about that.
Okay.
What would you lantern?
The Chanel dress, the Merrill Street one wore this morning because I can just wear it
and that goes away, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I know I really want, I want to get some Prada stuff to wear for the Prada, the Devil
Wars Prada 2 episodes.
Okay.
You know, it can't just be Prada.
It has to say Prada or let's know when we'll get it.
You know, so then that is a whole thing.
I'm not going to get there in time.
Is this you're just really hoping that you got a brand coordinator from Prada?
No, yeah.
No one from no one from Prada knows whether a podcast is and it should stay that way.
That's what makes Prada Prada.
That's very funny and also not true.
Okay.
Aaron Pierre at 25 number 24 is me at Goth.
Yeah.
We almost forgot Mia.
I take responsibility.
Yeah.
Mia, one of my gals, somebody I've been rapping for for a long time on this show.
But you were a little hesitant because I texted you last night and I said, we forgot
Mia Goth.
We got to put Mia on and you said, I don't know.
You said, I'm a little worried about Maxine.
Well, the post-Maxine thing, it didn't spike.
I thought it was going to be bigger.
I thought that movie would have been a little bit more of a thing considering how much love
there was for Pearl and X beforehand didn't totally pop.
And obviously she was in Frankenstein, which was very widely seen.
Yeah.
I thought not her best performance in Frankenstein didn't love that character.
I was a little worried.
I think that was a very Shelley.
Well, it's not the most faithful adaptation, nevertheless.
She also has a huge roster of films coming up, including Star Wars Starfighter and this
summer, she's in the Odyssey.
Right.
So it's the Odyssey test.
It's a minor character.
Okay.
I didn't check to see whether if you're in the Odyssey and eligible, you're on this list.
But I do think we're pretty close to that.
Almost everybody who's going to be in the Odyssey sub 35 is on the list.
Yes.
I think so.
I love her.
I think she's great.
I don't know if anybody's going to the movies to go see Mia Goth, but when I'm at a movie
and Mia Goth shows up, I'm like, hey now, what's going on here?
What's happening with this cookie lady?
So happy to have you.
She's always really good.
She is.
I think she's really figured out what her thing is in movies.
Number 23, a new entrant, Dylan O'Brien, who perhaps you've been overlooking a little
bit in previous episodes, but since 2024 has appeared in Saturday Night where he was
terrific as Dan Acroid, Twin List, where you play Twins, anniversary, he's still haven't
seen an anniversary.
Have you?
No.
Okay.
Aniversary pod coming soon.
Send help.
One of the nice surprises of the year.
And then he's got a bunch of new projects coming up, including apparatus, being human,
which is Sean Haters, follow up to Coda, coming out later this year, potentially in Oscar's
film.
And I don't know what Marso is.
What is Marso?
So Dylan O'Brien.
Is it a Marso Marso biopic?
Let's see.
Gamed Mime.
This is, yes.
Are you being serious?
Well, I'm playing Marso Marso.
Yo, I'm reading you the IMDB thing.
I just plucked that out.
That's the true story of Marso Marso and his involvement in Nazi Germany.
Their French resistance.
There you go.
Sick.
Oh, Mark Stern is the other person in here.
He's playing Gaston.
Who's there?
Who he is except he's playing Gaston from the beauty in the beast.
Wow.
That sounds great.
They're just directing this movie.
David Petraka.
David Petraka.
Petraka.
Good director of, yeah, it seems TV director.
And this might be first feature.
Let me ask you this.
Where are you out on Mimes?
I appreciate the craft.
A little weirded out by it.
Okay.
Good to know.
Number 22, Daisy Edgar Jones.
Yeah.
This is one where I was like, I don't know.
And then I pulled up the credits and it's like, oh, yeah, Daisy Edgar Jones is in a
lot of hits.
Hollywood is booking her right now as well.
She has the sense and sensibility adaptation coming up later this year.
She has here comes the flood, which is the new Denzel Robert Pattinson crime movie.
She is going to be in a place in hell, which is Nick Winning Reffens new movie, which is
probably only can.
She had those crawdad singing, right?
She did that.
She has twist and twisters, twist and round, clean powel.
You know, I think Jury's out on whether she's good, but she's.
I've had a good time in all of these movies.
Yeah.
Fresh, which people always want us to talk about.
Yeah.
I saw it Sebastian Stan.
Yeah.
That was a film.
It was 2022, I think they're in COVID.
It was all right.
She is not quite at that like, oh, Daisy Edgar Jones is in this.
I'll go check that out.
Yeah.
But it's all the twisters and then all the sudden.
Well, but she's also of the association where you're like, oh, and Daisy Edgar Jones was
also in that.
She's reliable.
She's like a safe pair of movie star hands.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Number 21 is Barry Kuyogen.
Yes.
We've just seen his work in the immortal man, the piggy blinders.
Sure.
And crime 101 where he's doing a similar thing.
Yes.
I mean, a different.
He's cast in a similar role.
Yes.
They meet without spoiling things.
Different ends.
Did you see the hurry up tomorrow?
Tradford Schultz's film about the weekend starring Jenna Ortega.
What?
The weekend like, you know, I'm.
The pop star.
You're not familiar with this film?
Came out last year.
Oh, I do remember this.
No, I never saw it.
Do you remember when the weekend performed for us at Cinemacon last year to promote
this movie?
I do remember that.
That was very strange.
She did a three song mini concert for thousands of movie theater.
No, no, I wasn't there yet.
You were texting me live because it was the lion's gay presentation.
The film was on the plane.
The film was not a success.
But Barry Kuyogen was sort of like the weekends manager in the movie.
Okay.
The performance I'm a little worried about him doing one note.
Yep.
Baches have been a share and is of course different.
And I want to see that Barry.
Yeah, sure.
Also Ringo, you know, he'll be Ringo and coming.
He'll be Ringo, which I think is good casting.
Yeah.
He's going to be in Batman Park too.
Who is he?
Batman.
No, he was the Joker in the Batman.
He was the guy in the cell in Arkham, asylum.
That was Barry Kuyogen.
Like at the end.
Yeah.
But remember when I had to text you being like, who was that at the end of the Batman?
When you asked that, that was the Joker.
Yeah.
Well, if I didn't know it was the Joker, how would I know that it was Barry Kuyken?
As I couldn't see.
You have a, you have the computer that you could just type things into.
No, no, no, no.
You just look up.
Well, that's true.
But I had forgotten that.
I, that was sort of a block on, I watched that movie over four nights on like two hours
of sleep.
The Batman, a good film.
He's very tall that Batman.
So I'm rooting for him.
Uh, Barry Kuyogen.
Interesting moment in his career.
I, you know, Saltburn, that was a thing.
Yeah.
I liked it.
You did?
Well, I had a good time.
That's different.
I didn't, I thought it was good.
I know.
Uh, number 20 is Mike M. Monroe.
Mm-hmm.
I, I, not in my wildest dreams, what I thought this would happen.
I thought she was going to be relegated to the, to the indie final girl, Dustin.
And, uh, she's making moves right now, you know, love to see it.
She obviously had a huge breakout with Long Legs, which was a huge horror hit.
We just discussed her work and reminders of him, which that was not her strongest.
But, um, I like that she's trying to branch out.
Not her fault.
No, definitely not her fault.
Yeah, it's the material.
She has a, she has a very big couple of years coming.
She's going to be in a horror movie later this year called Victorian Psycho.
And then next year, I believe she'll be in They Follow, which is the sequel to her big
breakthrough.
It follows David Robert Mitchell's movie and he's back to direct the sequel.
Um, 32 years old.
I also had a turning point for actresses who kind of work that she does.
Her reminders of him box office right now.
Let's, let's take a look.
I'm going to guess it's at 37.
It is at 45 domestic and 33 international.
So creeping towards a hundred.
There you go.
Creeping towards a hundred.
Okay.
So that worked out for her.
I mean, that movie must have been very cheap to make, right?
We got Bradley Whitford's quote.
We got Lauren Graham's quote.
We got a most as quote.
Are they in North Carolina?
Where are they?
Are they in?
No, they're in, no, they're not in North Carolina.
They're in Colorado because where his land, you know, where he's
built in the house.
And he's I'm looking at why Yoming?
Oh, interesting.
Okay.
Man, love Wyoming.
Beautiful, beautiful country.
Beautiful part of the world.
Where did we actually filmed it though?
Alberta, Canada.
That's right.
Okay.
Well, there you go.
So they got those tax breaks.
Canada too.
Number 19, 31 years old,
Sarsha Ronan.
Yes.
Now it's been a quiet stretch.
She got married, believe they had a kid.
Yes.
Foe, the outrun in Blitz all didn't turn out the way that we had expected.
No.
She was pretty high on this list.
Last time, in fact, while you're vamping, I'm going to look up.
She is one of the great actresses of her generation and has that sort of,
like, Meryl Streep as quality.
I mean, she's been nominated for, is it four or five Oscars under four?
Yeah.
Four, but I think that was like four at age 27 or something.
It's real accomplished territory.
And obviously she's started very young.
I took me a long time to forgive her for the, that for the atonement,
but that's just how good she was in it.
And also,
Hannah, the other Joe Wright film.
Yeah.
Hannah.
Hannah.
Yeah.
That's not Hannah.
Well, I thought it was German, but maybe I'm just, because Kate Blanchett is in that,
but maybe she's not playing Lydia Tar in Hannah.
No, I think she's an evil American CIA operative.
Yeah, that sounds right.
But then that's a good movie.
Hannah, I agree.
Joe Wright.
Yeah.
Joe Wright.
Have you watched the,
you know, Mussolina?
I want to watch it.
Again, stopping in TV shows, like, I don't know what to say.
Joe Wright, three and a half hour Mussolini movie, 100% would watch it in a minute,
a thousand percent episode Mussolini mini series.
I don't know, man, I gotta do the laundry and shit.
I got stuff to do.
Empire of late is a Joe Wright, right?
No, Sam Mendes.
Sorry.
Sorry for the Joe Wright.
Joe Wright would never know.
I know.
Joe Wright's big blunder, which some people like, but I didn't really get it all with
Cyrano.
I didn't really get that.
Oh, I didn't get that either.
That's what I was thinking of.
But I googled Empire of late.
I appreciate Joe Wright.
Former guest of this show, I think he's very interesting director.
Anyway, Circe Ronan, very talented.
Just hasn't been doing as much.
And the last couple didn't pan out.
I mean, well, she's going to be in the Beatles.
I know.
Linda.
So what do we think that means?
So because they're doing one movie for each band member.
Yeah.
This is a good question.
And so will Linda be just in the Paul movie?
Reminder, we only have three more years to talk about this.
So don't try to.
That's what I was making a joke.
I think I did say to my son last night, they're making movies about these.
And you'll be six years old when they come out because I had to do the math for it.
So you can go see all of them.
But yeah, that's sooner than you would think.
So Linda will definitely be in Paul.
But like we'll lend a show up in the George or the John or the.
It's all about the time period that they focus on for the structures.
I know. But then also how much is it focused on one person versus what's going on?
I like my my instincts tell me that the Paul or yeah, that the the Paul film will be
about the breaking point for the band.
Okay.
So it'll be like 60, 68, 69.
Yeah.
And then do you think I'd like go through Scotland?
I don't.
I don't.
I think it's going to be that get back period is going to be where we see those two.
You think he goes last or you think John goes last?
I would guess John because I think John's will have to feature John's death in some way.
Okay.
And so that that will be it'll be like a chronological.
But I don't think that there's anyone who's paying for these movies who's going to let you put out a
wringo or a George film first of the four.
They're coming out on the same day.
I know.
I thought they were coming out one week at a time.
Yeah.
It's like that's like that's even a worse idea than Horizon wanted to.
You might be right.
Yeah.
But can't you do John or can't you do George first and do George and you can do Germany and Ed Sullivan and then
wringo join in the band and that because that you know, wringo's not there at first.
And yes, George meets these two liver liver, putly and chaps joins up with them.
Then we get wringo getting kind of introduced.
I guess so.
And we use wringo to take us through, you know, revolver, rubber soul.
We're traveling in India.
We're having all these revelations.
Well, don't you want George for that?
Don't you want to flip that?
Maybe you can't go wringo first.
I know.
It's a real problem.
We maybe think about this all wrong and that each of the films may cover lots of different timelines.
I mean, they may all be featured and then so and then maybe maybe our understanding is that it's not one
film for each guy.
So you don't have to then sell a wringo film first.
Oh, so it won't be individually focused?
Well, I don't know.
See that that would be novel to me is if each one was a character film, that actually makes it a more appealing.
I agree, but but you can order the rings for the Beatles.
I'm not as interested in that.
I will watch it.
Of course, but you know that you can't, but you already said you can't start with wringo.
So I think you can start with George, though.
I'm so you're going to try launching.
I'm sorry to be that creature I hate most like it's studio mark.
Exactly right now, but like I like the person you hate most.
That's true. That's not the first thing.
I really like a lot of marketing.
But like you're trying to tell me that you want to open this project with a solo Joseph Quinn film about George Harrison.
Like good luck.
We have lots of evidence that that's not how it's going to work.
I think the most obvious move is to open with Paul Mescal and John Lennon because of the star power and the recognition.
The but that is the most playing Paul McCartney.
Sorry with Harris Dickinson and short and John Lennon, but because of the the arc of Lennon.
And I don't mean Vladimir Iliac Olyanov.
I mean John Lennon.
Wow. Honestly, I'm very impressed that you could do the full day in there.
So I've studied his work.
I'm the twist in between on this whole thing.
Okay.
I'm a.
I'm told the sundaer.
You're the most stressed out that you've been Sam Mendy's though something I don't.
What do you know, Sam?
Show me the way.
I'll follow you anywhere.
Except to the empire of like you start with Paul and finished with John.
Like as a list maker as a person who puts together editorial projects like you know that I three one week in between.
I was there a Paul movie going first and Linda's in it.
We still have not seen Horizon 2.
I know.
I know.
Fuck.
We haven't seen it.
It's out there.
We haven't seen it.
Should we start a film distribution company and and present the film.
And then we can present all four Beatles films in order.
We think they should be released.
Sony has the rights to those.
Any assertion.
They need partners.
They'd be partners.
They need partners.
They have a partner.
Netflix.
So we're all we're all synchronized together.
Here we go.
We can all team up.
Sertia Ronan 19 feeling good about it.
You fought hard for the Philly boy at 18.
Who is it?
You forgot Superman.
But head.
Superman.
Uh huh.
That and also you know how I realized that you forgot Superman was I just pulled up the box office for 2025.
And went through the top 10 films to make sure we weren't forgetting any major stars and then low and behold.
David Corrin sweat.
What percentage of Americans can name the man who portrays Superman?
I don't think it matters when it's Superman.
I'm just asking.
Yeah.
You know when when Christopher Reeve came through a Superman in 1978.
He did every talk show in the world and he became instantaneous and instantaneously famous.
That didn't happen for Corrin sweat.
That doesn't mean he wasn't a good Superman.
I thought he was.
And I like that movie.
And I'm looking forward to Man of Tomorrow.
A little bit less so.
Super girl.
I.
I'm.
This is interesting because it's an old test applied to a new crop and we're kind of moving out of this era of movies.
And this is still one of the biggest parts that you can have.
Yeah.
Henry Cavill ever make this list.
I don't remember.
Why don't you start our document?
He did not.
Did he ever make 35 over 35?
I don't know.
I don't think so.
He's currently 42.
So he has been over 35 for the entire run of the series.
OK.
Right.
Don't.
Well, you're competing.
It's, you know, a larger net at 35.
I don't know.
I mean, I think that the really brand name superheroes and the still the role that they play
in the box office, like in the movies economy, that movie made so much money.
OK.
I'm rolling with you.
You love Superman.
He I thought he was very charming.
I thought he was good.
That's the other thing.
I thought he was good.
He was good in twisters too.
He was a good.
John's makes a list.
David Korn sweat.
You're doing the work.
Fair enough.
How old is Rachel Brausnan?
I do think I googled this and she is 35.
Him.
We just missed.
I know.
Am I checked.
And Nicholas Holt is like early is even older, but I thought he was good.
Number 17, Hailey Steinfeld.
She had been backburned a little bit.
Mm-hmm.
You know, she was doing spiderverse voice work.
Yeah.
But sinners kind of threw her back in the main frame.
But then Ashley's getting, she got married.
Yeah, she's just had a kid.
She's having a baby.
She had a baby.
OK.
Congratulations.
Um, curious if she goes right back into movies after this.
I really like her.
I've always really liked her.
And she was one of the people I was thinking of.
When we were talking about those big breakthroughs that, you know,
people like Chase Infinity and Ava Victor had where they're sort of like,
whoa, who's that?
She had that very early intro, great.
Yeah.
We got an Academy Award nomination for that performance and has made good movies,
but maybe has not totally lived up to what I thought was going to happen for her.
But so in my mind and this I learned during the sinners and like post
sinners pressed for because I had the same experience.
I was like, whoa, Haley Stuyenfeld.
Like I had forgotten didn't realize that you could do that as a grown up.
But I think after true grit, she, you know, she launched a singing career
and she was in some, she was in the edge of 17, which is very good.
But she was like in pitch perfect.
She was doing kind of just, just skewing younger, which she was younger.
And so she was not to the best of my knowledge, like a Nickelodeon star,
but I had her in that box of just like of of teen star.
And so sinners was like a reintroduction of, oh, she's grown up and she's very talented.
There's a generation younger than us that has, has been keeping with Haley Stuyenfeld
the whole time and her pops.
Yeah.
Song career and her and her and Dickinson.
No, I didn't, but people really liked it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But so Haley Stuyenfeld has a fan base.
It just has not been us until centers.
Did you watch the Hawkeye's television series?
Set at Christmas.
Yeah.
I think that I, is she but like, is there something about a bumblebee?
She was in the film Bumblebee.
I watched Bumblebee.
Okay.
I can't remember why there's something about a Bumblebee.
For some episode that we did where I had to, I watched, I watched Bumblebee.
And I know that the Hawkeye show is a Transformers film.
Right.
And I know that the Hawkeye shows happen at Christmas because I remember Chris and
Mallory and Joanna sang very insistently.
Like it's a Christmas show.
And I still didn't watch it.
Okay.
She's 17.
Bill about this.
16 is Palm Muscle.
Yeah.
Very famous.
Has led big movies.
He was the star of Gladiator 2, which did not quite elevate.
Hamdened obviously one of the most discussed movies of 2025.
If not one of the most seen, not nominated there.
Not the worst thing in the world.
He was previously nominated.
He is going to be Paul McCartney, which I really have mixed feelings about.
And I've said that before and I'm saying it again.
Same or this is this is now just a Beatles spot.
The Beatles and Wales spot.
Here's one of the things that I think you and I both like about Paul.
There is such a dark core under the sweetness and under the
all shaksi baladir.
Yeah.
And he has got this engine inside of him.
I don't know if mescal can get there.
It's funny that you characterize it as a darkness.
I characterize it as almost like a dissociation that he there is a part of
him that he is like completely unconnected from.
Like he is obviously like a deeply ambitious and I mean,
he has a musical genius, which we like in the in the true dictionary sense of the
word.
So but not to bring up the the infamous post death interview again,
but there's something in that.
We're not on the fun this.
Yeah, even thinking about it.
But by the way, we didn't discuss about it.
You think somehow that you're going to die before me, which there's a zero
percent chance of happening.
Zero percent.
I know I just I watched it in this moment.
And I was just like, wow, that's exactly what Sean would do.
And it's just like, but there's just a disconnection from the emotions,
right?
Which you make fun of me for not for putting things in a box.
But I think that he is like not.
I think he's always I always think he's been protecting something.
I always think he's been shielding something.
Yeah, but I always think it's almost like he's protecting it so much that like the
whole register is not available.
And you think masculine can do that.
I don't know whether he can, but it's different than darkness.
It's it is like it's separation.
So and I agree that he is like a very warm connected emotional person.
Yeah, I think, you know, like in after son, he's very he's very withholding.
His character doesn't say the turmoil, but it's very evident.
He communicates the turmoil really, really well enough.
He also communicates like the love for his but like Paul McCartney can almost
just kind of be robotic.
And you're like, what's going on?
Why are you talking like that or what are you doing?
I know it's so a skew for my think how most people who are just like vaguely like aware
of the Beatles, but not obsessed with the Beatles think of him, though.
They think of him as like, they think of him leading a single on for, you know,
Hollywood's best and brightest at the fun of theater at the age of 70.
What how old is he 80 something now?
I think so.
Yeah.
We didn't get invited to the fond of theater for Hollywood's best and brightest.
Yeah.
Was that is that literally what it is called?
No, but did you you didn't see the guess of yourself amongst the best and brightest of of Beatles fans?
Okay.
And I did look at the list and I was like, I don't know how many like hardcore fans there are here.
I think that I think that they could have saved us a couple spots, but that's okay.
I never know about any of these things.
I only learned about it from my Bellamy's newsletter.
Okay.
Number 15 is Kiki Palmer.
Yeah.
Kiki Palmer has one, two, three, four, five, six movies coming out in the next two years.
She was delightful in one of them days.
I connic to me and note, I'm currently watching her on the television series, The Burbs with Eileen.
That's our show right now.
It's okay.
It's not bad.
I love boosters coming out in a month.
Haven't seen it yet.
I haven't either.
I'm excited.
Looking forward to it.
So it's pretty good.
Fashion film, by the way.
Yeah.
I know.
One of them days, too, was happening.
Great.
Is this I would watch a 45 of those, but not in TV form.
Is make movies is sister act three really happening?
According to IMDB.
Well, but IMDB is not, you know, I know we start at three sister act three.
So more and hill coming back.
I mean, I'm like too excited to actually form words right now.
Do you know how important sister act and sister act to talk to me over the years?
Yeah.
They're both very good.
I'm a huge fan.
Just absolutely.
It's on both of the years when the kid does the backflip at the end of sister act two.
And the remember it will really really and I was just the right age impressionable stuff.
So I've never seen the musical.
And I can't really find any info about sister act.
You should do an Emil Artilino pod.
Yeah, I know.
That's your really your guy.
I know Artilino dirty dancing sister act chances are three men and a little lady and the nutcracker.
I know.
I know that you love and Ben Midler's Gypsy.
And it's a beautifully photographed nutcracker.
Yeah, that's your guy.
I know.
In March of 2025, whoopie Goldberg said the sister act three script was finished.
Hey, that would be a year ago.
So could you cook?
We don't know.
Did she say that on the view that was reported by variety?
That's excellent.
Okay.
Okay.
Kiki Palmer 15 number 14 Mikey Madison.
Yeah.
Huge arrival here.
Sure.
You want an Oscar?
Surprise best actress win over a year ago for her work in a Nora.
She had seen her in the the screen films and what's puns I'm in Hollywood before this and she was on better things.
And she's now about to appear in the social reckoning.
One of the stars of this new Aaron Sorkin written and directed feature film.
Does that have a date yet?
October 9th, I believe.
October 2nd.
Wow.
So like the actual they're doing the same thing as they did for social network because wasn't social network also.
Same time of year.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
I just, you know, I'm.
I'm working through it.
I will be ready emotionally when the time comes.
Okay.
I believe is it heard Jeremy Allen White and Jeremy Strong or the stars of that movie?
Yes.
And I also according to Wikipedia, I'm singing that Bill Burr, when we miss out.
Go Billy, Madison and Betty Gilpin.
Oh, oh my God.
Betty Kilpin.
Yeah.
A lot of bunch of people I really like there.
The she's also going to be in the mass of the Red Death, which talked about a couple times that Charlie Polynger adaptation of the Edgar Allen post story.
I like her a lot.
I hope it works out.
She's got a me too.
She's got a great vibe.
She's obviously a very skilled actor.
If you ever see her speak and then watch a Nora, you can see what a talented actor she is.
Number 13, Ariana Grande.
Now,
tricky one.
Because on the one hand, wicked wicked for good, huge movies.
Yeah.
You know, she was Oscar nominated for wicked.
She's going to be in Falker and Law, which low key might make $500 million.
I expect it to.
And she's the new big addition.
And I guess she is she's not going to be a Falker.
Is she going to be is she the titular Falker in law?
She is she the titular in law or she the titular Falker?
Is she the titular in law to the Falkers?
The titular role.
I'm googling Falker in law.
Does Greg Falker have a son or daughter?
Is there last name Falker?
It is not.
It's Olivia Jones.
Olivia Jones.
All right.
Well,
Oh, but do you know who the Falker that she's marrying is?
No, Skylar Gazada.
Oh, yes, I did know that, which is a genius.
Yes.
And then Bini Feldstein is playing a sister.
Oh, I love to hear it.
Okay.
I actually don't care about these movies at all, but I like that casting.
Me the parents is funny.
I'm like, I think this I think this will make a lot of money.
Yeah.
Well, it definitely will.
Okay.
That's our Ariana Grande number 12, Margaret Kwale.
Mm-hmm.
Margaret Kwale, not exactly opening movies.
And yet I feel like is getting increasingly very famous.
Yeah.
Now like full blown, I'm a magazine cover star level of famous.
Totally.
And that was a famous marriage, you know, but she and also, I mean, it was a great cover.
Like that cover had, which is a vanity fair cover,
had a little bit of the feeling to me of did, did someone else fall through with the last
minute.
And we're going to be because it was her.
Yeah.
But she is so, I mean, she is obviously very beautiful,
but has that magazine cover quality.
It reminded me a lot of the, um, Darryl Hannah Tina Brown cover from like the early
90s.
That was also like early in Tina Brown's career.
Anyway, like she made that cover.
So and she has that quality, right?
And she has that quality in a lot of movies, even if the, the movies themselves are always
a little off kilter or if maybe she doesn't totally fit in them.
And you're like, what's Margaret quality doing here?
But she's still very watchable and memorable.
Um, and yeah, very high profile.
This is subject to change, but she is going to be one of the stars of Ridley Scott's new movie,
The Dog Stars.
Um, and she'll have increasingly big roles coming in the future.
I think the substance did a lot for her profile.
Yeah.
Number 11 Jenna Ortega.
Yes.
Now, since we last recorded, she has had Beetle Juice Beetle Juice, which was very big.
She also had two duds in death of a unicorn and her yet tomorrow.
However, she's the star of the grape beyond the new JJ Abrams movie.
Her and Glenn Powell.
Yeah.
She's also apparently going to be in a remake of single white female and she's in Tika,
YTD's long delayed Clara and the sun, which I'm fairly certain is coming out this year too.
So big 2026.
Okay.
Um, Clara and the sun big litter and adaptation.
Yeah, and it's your adaptation.
Yes.
So, you know, that's Tika, YTD.
I don't, you know, it could be a mess.
I'm not really sure.
But she's still only 23 years old.
She's very big.
It's yeah, it's right.
Yeah.
But it's happening and she is, it seems like she has the Netflix TV stardom cemented,
but enough name recognition that she will keep doing movies and clearly wants to keep
doing movies and doing things other than one day.
Yeah.
She's like one of those people who secretly on letterbox will never give her account.
Yeah.
But like all of her film references and things that she does give out are very accomplished.
So number 10.
You did you see Robert Panson calling out other actors who just like they don't really seem
to like movies, which is amazing.
And also I think pretty insightful and about why some people have more interesting
careers than others.
And anyway, you can tell that Jen or Tika also likes movies.
Yes.
I agree.
I hope that means she starts making some better movies.
I find that what the things that she proclaims as her favorites are not often reflected
in the choices that she makes, even if she's trying in some cases.
But nevertheless, number 10 is Austin Boller.
Yes.
This is his last year of eligibility.
He's 34 years old.
Complicated 2025.
Yeah.
Very amusing and Eddington.
Maybe a little young for that part.
But very amusing and caught stealing didn't didn't take off.
No.
I got what he was going for.
I knew what he wanted.
He wanted like, you know, Brad Pitt's California or that's what he wants.
You know, Denzel Washington's Rick Ache, you know, like a,
guess a nasty little crime movie to break up all the prestige you should that he's doing.
I got the idea.
It just didn't, it didn't hit for me.
I don't think that he's quite nasty enough for that part and for some of the,
the nasty or Brad Pitt stuff that seems to be his guiding light.
He's like, yeah, his blueprint.
Like I don't know whether Austin Butler has that fincher, you know,
like dead inside in him.
Mm hmm.
But I think he has a lot of other, you know, he's, he's kind of like Paul Mescola.
It's like, do you have too much like emotion and softness for
all the things that you're being asked to do?
But maybe you just find different ways to use that.
Miami vice and heat to are both on the slate.
And I mean, this is just absolute chaos for CRN Bill.
Because I've never seen news that could more discomfit those two guys.
And Austin Butler being a participant in both of them would be very challenging.
And the heat to thing is not confirmed.
So.
So what is confirmed now about he?
Bail and Leo.
Bail and Leo.
That's it.
Okay.
Bollard has been rumored, driver has been rumored.
I don't know if those would be the younger versions of character of key characters.
Would Bollard just play Chris Sheherlis, you know, and Leo playing the bad guy.
That's something I've heard speculated.
Okay.
That would be fun for Leo.
Could be interesting.
Leo could be playing.
I don't know.
Leo's not playing Pacino.
That's for sure.
I don't know what to expect from that.
I don't know if there's been a suggestion that he might be cast as American psycho and the American psycho remake.
Luke Guadano.
He know what's going to make one.
And I don't know if that's going to happen anymore.
Um, you know, we really hope he makes it happen.
I'm rooting for him.
I get it.
Number nine is L fanning, rocketing up the list.
Well, that's what that's what a surprise asker and nomination will do to you.
Yes.
And she had a huge year last year.
She was in a complete unknown at the end of 2024.
And then was the lead of Predator Badlands and also sentimental value.
I got that Academy Award nomination.
Now she's going to be.
Is she Effie Trinket in the sun, the Hunger Games sunrise on the reaping?
I think so.
Let's see sunrise on the reaping movie.
I should also just say while we're googling this that I got some core Hunger Games lore incorrect.
Effie Trinket is the publicist.
And then the Lenny Kravitz plays the stylist whose name starts with the C.
Can't remember what his name is Hunger Games stylist.
Let's Google this.
Stylus.
Okay.
Sinner.
A soft C like Si.
Um,
L fanning is incredibly talented.
And is doing the thing that you like to see, which is like, you know,
keep sure over here Predator over here.
Yeah.
That's the pathway Hunger Games over here.
And then I'll do something a lot smaller on the next go around.
So top 10.
Wouldn't have guessed it five years ago.
We wouldn't have guessed it until Oscar morning.
We were like, oh, okay.
Yeah.
Congratulations to Predator Badlands.
Congratulations to Rachel.
What's what's her last name in Rachel Camp?
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, she was wildly mistreated by that journalist at that Netflix junket.
I got to say number eight Florence Pew.
In 2025 Florence Pew appeared in the film Thunderbolts, aka New Avengers.
And she was, what was her name Vladimir Ilej Ulyanov Lenin?
How do you remember that specifically?
How many like full Russian names can you do?
Because I find like the patronomics and everything to just be very confusing.
So I think there's too many to count, I would say.
Why?
Like when did you, is this from a history course?
Like, how does this stay with you?
This is kind of, well, this is one of the major hurdles for me in Russian literature.
Is that I just like, who are we talking about half the time?
Well, those Karamatsovs are brothers, you know?
Yeah.
So you only got to remember one of them.
Florence Pew is going to be in Doomsday and Doomsday in Part 3.
Yeah.
What an insane weekend for her.
I like the efficiency, right?
Is she the only, I think you only have to pay for like one stylist, one glam team at that point.
Is she the only actor who's going to appear in both movies?
Like Willis and Daya's, will MJ be in Doomsday?
Do you think we'll flowpube, the only one?
Robert Penson is an Avengers.
No, that would be sick if he was actually Doctor Doom and it wasn't an opportunity, Junior.
If you just put the mask off and he was like, it me, Victor von Doom.
I'm trying to think.
Brolin, Thanos.
Thanos is gone.
Good guess, but I don't think he.
Okay.
You got to give me some credit there for those.
Honestly, maybe he is.
And frankly, he probably is.
Momoa.
He's in DC.
Oh, he was Aquaman and now he's going to be Lobo.
We talked about this once before.
Right.
You talking about Lobo, yeah, but I don't remember what he does.
Lobo is DC is answered for Wolverine.
He's kind of a marauding vigilante type.
Okay.
But is Lobo real animal?
Did you see their reintroducing Wolverines to Colorado?
Someone said me.
Yeah, I don't know.
No, I don't know.
That was that my friend Gilbert, our friend Gilbert texted me that.
Yeah, no, I don't.
I can't think of anyone else.
That's a big.
So who do you think has a bigger like grooming budget, Disney or Warner Brothers?
So like, where is Florence Fugue to expense this for this, this tour?
Honestly, not something I care about.
I think she is an amazing actress.
I do too.
And I think it's very interesting that her last three films will be Thunderbolts of
Avengers Doomsday in Doomsday in Part 3.
I hope she gets a chance to flex.
Yeah, does she have anything else in the pipeline?
Not that's announced.
That is interesting.
Yeah.
Number seven is Ann Yatiller Joy.
Yeah.
Princess Peach herself.
Princess Peach is just absolutely cooking right now.
She did not cook in the gorge, which is a movie that did not work that went straight to Apple TV.
Furiosa mid-cooked.
It was sauteed.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was.
She was fine in it.
The gentle grilling.
Yeah.
She's good.
I think she's good.
I think she's good in Furiosa.
Yeah, she's good.
It was more that the, we only cared about Chris Evansworth in that movie, which was the issue with the film was the construction of it.
She plays a much more important role in Doomsday in Part 3.
But I don't think she, does she have anything planned after this?
No, I'm learning about an upcoming crime thriller television mini series for Apple TV that she's going to be in with a netbending Timothy Oliphant and Anjouna Ellis Taylor.
I hate to hear about that.
There's terrible news.
It's called Lucky.
And oh, Drew Starky is also recurring.
Who wrote and directed it?
That's a great question created by Jonathan Tropper.
Oh, sure.
And he's the author of the fourth coming Star Wars movie.
Okay.
Well, I still can't figure out what's happening.
You created your friends and neighbors starring Jon Kim.
Yes.
This is a Reese Witherspoon is one of the producers of this.
I can't figure out what it's about.
Because it's based on Melissa Stappley's novel of the same name, but they're not hyperlinking to that.
Well, I don't respect that any Taylor joy is doing that.
I'm not, she, she's on notice.
Okay.
She's at seven, but she's on notice.
She's at seven, but she's on notice.
More films.
I believe there is a rumor that she could potentially be in a Joni Mitchell biopic from Cameron
Crow, but that is not anywhere close to being confirmed.
Yes.
I've heard the same.
Lucky centers on a woman, Taylor Joy, who left behind the life of crime she was raised
in years ago, but must now embrace her darker criminal side one final time in a desperate
attempt to escape her path.
She's the titular lucky.
She, well, we don't know.
I guess that's what the miniseries will find explored.
But her name is Lucky.
No.
It centers on a young woman named Lucky.
It doesn't say.
Number six is Jacobal Lordy.
Yeah.
That's right.
Go ahead, share.
This, the, to me, this is a movie star.
If movie stars were measured by height, he would obviously be number one.
No, I mean, he's been on a run and we didn't love weathering heights, but it's, you know,
a cool choice that and saltburn Frankenstein.
We also didn't love, but he got an Oscar nomination out of it.
Paul Schrader.
So fiacopola, like he does, he has interesting taste.
He's doing cool stuff.
And he has the presence in one woman's opinion.
Is the outer dark film actually happening?
I don't know.
He's also allegedly in the Ridley Scott film with Margaret quality.
Yes, the dog stars.
You know, it was, it was disgusted at, at can 2025, it was going to be the Jacobal Lordy and Lily Rose
depth and Lazlone Nemis, the son of Saul director, was going to adapt to Chroma Concarte's
book, Outer Dark.
I haven't heard much about that.
I wonder if that's going to happen.
It's an interesting one to keep track of.
He is, he is, he is following the path.
Yes.
And I'm happy for you.
Yeah.
And I think it's a very talented actor.
So I hope good things for him.
Kind of interesting to see what they do with his character on Euphoria this year, because
he's a real bastard on that show.
And I know he enjoys playing complicated characters, but like the things he does in the
first season are right.
Vile.
Number five, Millie Bobby Brown.
Yeah.
Now Millie Bobby Brown, of course, the star of the electric state.
Yeah.
And the Inola Holmes films.
Sure.
And the Inola Holmes films coming this year.
Yes.
Number three in that series.
How did you feel about how they wrapped up a long, a lot of loose threads.
Perhaps they should gather them and string them together for number three.
Look forward to finding out who those crazy kids do.
Yeah.
Stranger Things concluded.
Yeah.
She is.
Every generation has stars like this.
I don't get it.
But she is insanely popular.
And it would be you foolish of us to not recognize just how followed she is.
I think that's the appropriate word.
I think every generation has a movie star just like this, but she is also unique, unique
and very of her generation and that she's just fully an Netflix star.
Correct.
And all of those movies, she's like a contractor off in the 30s where she only makes movies
for Columbia.
Everything that is coming up is Netflix.
So that obviously gives her like a huge amount of reach and it's baked in.
You know, her audience from Stranger Things will just watch this slop with all respect to
Inola Holmes too, which I haven't seen.
But it is.
I find Inola Holmes films fairly inoffensive.
I think they're fine.
The electric state is should be destroyed.
It should be we should find all exten copies and destroy it.
That's my feeling about that movie.
Can I read you the long line of just log line of just picture it?
For upcoming Netflix romantic comedy co-starring Gabriel Lebel.
Oh, please do.
Gabriel Lebel, another name on our long list.
Two college students are surprised when their phones glitch and start showing them pictures
from 10 years in the future as a happily married couple with kids.
Wow, just picture it.
Yeah.
There you go.
I don't hate it.
I don't hate it either.
It's a very 1980s themed.
Yeah.
You know, like vice versa or back to the future.
I will probably watch it.
I enjoy Gabriel Lebel.
I do.
I think he's talented.
I do too.
Number four is Tom Holland.
Yeah.
Now, on the one hand, you might say, what is he done besides Spider-Man?
In my response to that is Spider-Man.
He's Spider-Man.
He's a very good Spider-Man.
These movies have all been extraordinary successes.
I think his challenges can he do anything beyond Spider-Man, which is both like a career
industry challenge.
And also, he has a very winning presence as Spider-Man.
Spider-Man is now 30.
He's almost 30.
And that, the further you get from Teenagedom, it is Beverly Hills, 902, no problem.
So this new Spider-Man is obviously he's looking to be a little more grown up in the movie.
He's also telemicus in the Odyssey.
Yeah.
And that's a big part.
He's a critical.
That's a critical role.
It's not titular.
I said no.
It's critical.
It's critical.
It's critical.
It's critical, essential to the story.
He's also reportedly attached to a movie called American Speed, opposite Austin Butler,
which is about three renowned race car driver brothers, two of whom were embroiled in the
1980s.
IMSA scandal where drivers funded their racing careers through criminal means like drug trafficking
and money laundering.
And that's a great idea for a movie.
That's Goodfellas meets Days of Thunder.
I mean, come on.
I'm open to it.
I was afraid that it was going to take sort of like an iron claw turn.
Where they keep dying.
Yeah.
Well, there are three brothers.
Yeah, that would be sad.
I like Tom Holland.
I'd like to see him do one thing that is in Spider-Man that I enjoy, but I like him.
Well, the Odyssey coming to theaters in July.
Maybe you'll like it.
I hope to.
Yeah.
Number three is Sydney Sweeney.
Just when she they think she's out, she pulls him back in.
Yeah.
Just when no one sees Christy.
It comes the house made everyone sees the house made everyone really saw the house made.
Yeah.
The house made is one of the only movies that came out in 2025 that felt like 1986 or
96 or 2006.
Literary adaptation of a junkie movie that is like half knowing, half in on the joke,
half completely serious.
Designed only to gratify our most based pleasures as movie watchers and it worked and it worked
and it would not have worked without Sydney Sweeney.
That's just the fact that the house made is the one that we were supposed to get really
drunk for for our holiday party, right?
Yeah.
I wish we'd done that.
I mean, I had a great time anyway, but it is it's one of the rare movies where you
identify that and then it delivered on that the promise of being a really fun movie
to watch while getting ready at the end of the year.
I was just so tired at the end of the year.
I mean, I was just, we couldn't let it didn't work.
It didn't work.
But maybe for house made secret, starring Sydney Sweeney and Kyrsten Nelson.
Oh, it's called the house made secret.
Starting to our wonderful research and production assistant Lucas Kavanaugh.
I mean, as I for it's not going to be in the house made secret, I just want to let everyone
know I misspoke.
It's just Sydney Sweeney and Kyrsten Nelson.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Do you think they'll have the same chemistry?
I believe in Kyrsten Nelson.
She's got a lot of stuff lined up here.
Did you ever have seen Echo Valley, the Julianne Moore film that also was Apple TV with Sydney
Sweeney?
Were Sydney Sweeney played her drug addict daughter?
No, I didn't.
Okay.
Sorry.
Number two is in there.
You just skipped past custom of the country, which was custom of the country.
Is it an Edith Warden adaptation?
Oh, yeah.
I was working on it for a long time.
Sydney Sweeney is making that.
You have said that's in exactly the right way.
So I also have some concerns.
But there was an adaptation of this.
Was there not?
I feel like.
No, it was that Sophia was working on it for a very long time for Apple TV and then they
scrapped it.
So has there never been an adaptation of this?
I don't know.
Sydney Sweeney to star.
It was Undine's Prague.
Yeah.
Josie Rourke directing.
I, you know, this seems challenging.
I would agree.
Okay.
Well, you know what?
Keep taking chances.
Keep, keep, keep.
I mean, it is, it is a book to movie.
Of source.
Sure is.
Okay.
Number two is in there.
Yes.
Which means Timothy Shalame is number one.
So was there any part of you that wanted Zendaya to be number one?
No, and I, there was a moment where I was like, should we be switching Zendaya and Sydney
Sweeney?
And I didn't want to do it.
And then I remembered you and just because I'm rooting for Zendaya and I really like the
drama and I, and I really like that Zendaya does stuff like the drama in between being
in Spider-Man and June.
But she is also, she's in Spider-Man and in June.
So she has the box office to back it.
She does.
So I'm good with Zendaya at number two.
I still think that to me has like, has the full range.
I fully agree.
Because Zendaya, her slate coming up is due in three Odyssey Spider-Man brand new day
Shrek V.
Yeah.
That's the Infinity Stones.
That's like that she has the Iron gauntlet that she's going to be seen in every movie
that everyone goes to see for the next 18 months.
So just in terms of sheer recognizability and star power, name recognition, that is
the mountain top.
And I'm hopeful for more the dramas and challenges from her in the future.
But got to take your hat off.
She's kind of operating the chess board very masterfully right now.
She's still doing the Ronnie Spectre movie, right?
I believe so.
I believe so.
I think that I don't know what stage that's in.
Yeah, I don't think it started filming yet.
I know she was asked about it and she gave one of those like, was it Barry Jenkins?
Is that who's doing it?
I live 2025.
But I don't know if it's happened.
Anyway, I hope it happens.
I hope it happens too.
Yeah.
And I think that's very clever casting.
Number one is Shalameh.
Yeah.
He crossed 30 years old.
He's held you down five December's dam.
And you know, he's going to do another one with doing part three.
Yeah.
Wonka too.
I hope it doesn't happen.
I hope they kill it with fire.
James Mangold crime motorcycle movie.
Would like to see it open.
Marty Suprem is, you know, an instant classic.
The finishing touch.
Yeah.
After the previous dominance that he has had.
And the most amazing thing is that he's only 30.
So is there is there a case to maybe that he should take a break after doing part three?
And just not be around.
Do you mean a break from making movies or from being in the public eye?
The, well, they're, they're interwoven, right?
I mean, you can't reek.
I mean, he has proven to be such an expert marketer that if he makes a movie, he needs to
sell it.
And he needs to be there as he gets paid to make the movie.
Like that's part of the, that's part of the deal now with, you know, crews for a long
time as the same way of crews could sell the shit out of a movie because he just was,
he would go all over the place, but he would also seem, you know, untouchable at the same
time.
I'm just curious if like he should maybe literally just take 18 months off.
So he's not seen.
I don't.
Well, then I then it goes away, you know, and as his partner three years, thank you for
our foundation.
Kylie Jenner would say to him, just when they're tired of you.
is when you got to hit the gas, right?
Perhaps you're right.
That's quoting the moment for those of you
that aren't on my level,
or on Timothy Shalame and Kylie Jenner's level.
I know.
And also he's not that type of guy.
And that's not why he works.
That's not like what makes him a star for him
to just be like, well, now I'm gonna sit back and reflect.
No, he's always like touching the fire.
Do you think he's an Avengers Doomsday?
I sure hope not.
No white drugs and no superheroes.
That's right.
That's right.
From one Leo to another.
Yeah, I guess he's also attached
to Richard Powers' 2024 book Playground.
Are you familiar with that book?
I became familiar with it when this was announced.
But this is what he's doing.
It's about a tech billionaire suffering from dementia.
Okay.
I haven't read this book.
I don't know it.
Sounds intriguing.
When are the pull of surprise?
Yeah.
Timmy probably should have been the winner last time
over Margot Robbie.
It's 50% what you've done.
He hadn't opened Marty's Supreme yet.
We were hopeful.
Yeah.
He hadn't done it yet.
Margot.
And just let, listen, Barbie, I, that that was a real thing.
We may look at it.
Northern Heights was a real thing.
Yeah, we didn't like it, but it was a real thing.
Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.
What about a big bold beautiful journey?
Well, that was also called Pharaoh's fault, you know?
Okay.
Damn.
You win some, you win some you lose some.
Any closing thoughts on this list?
Shall I run it down one last time?
Yeah.
Okay.
You don't do a scroll all the way back to the top.
35 I.O. Debrae, 34 Austin Abrams, 33 McKenna Grace,
32 Miles Katen, 31 Ava Victor, 30 Chase Infinity,
29 Barbie Ferreira, 28 Dominic Cessah, 27 Emily Bader,
26 Bad Bunny, 25 Aaron Pierre, 24 Meagoth, 23 Dylan O'Brien,
22 Daisy Edgar Jones, 21 Barry Kiogan, 20 Micah Monroe,
19 Sursherone, and 18 David Corn Sweat, 17 Hailey Steinfeld,
16 Paul Maskell, 15 Kiki Palmer, 14 Mikey Madison,
13 Ariana Grande, 12 Margaret Qualie, 11 Jenna Ortega,
10 Austin Butler, 9 L Fanning, 8 Florence Pew,
7 Agutella Joy, 6 Jacobalorty, 5 Millie Bobby Brown,
4 Tom Holland, 3 Sydney Swini, 2 Zendaya,
and number one Timothy Chalme.
We've done it again.
And just to be clear, this is our definitive list
of the best working actors from a qualitative standpoint.
We are accredited, and so we kind of course assess skill
and make these decisions definitively, and we have.
These are the heirs and heirs to Marlon Brando.
That's how we have evaluated this process.
We've studied all the acting techniques.
We have practiced the method as podcasters.
We only do this at each other when we're off
Mike as well, just to stay in character.
This is a character.
And yep, these are the best actors.
Good job.
Closing thoughts.
I feel good.
This didn't feel as complicated as it has.
A lot of names went off.
Yeah.
So there was a lot of open spots.
And so I would say 35 to 25 took some chances.
Yeah, why not?
That's what it's all about.
That's what we do here.
Do you think you're going to take any chances
with the Merrill Street polyfame?
Maybe.
I'm excited to talk about it.
And I think that this is an unusual one where I have a very
very, we both have a very deep bench of these movies.
We've spent a lot of time watching them thinking about them.
But they're probably very different
because her filmography is so large and also so varied
in a way like towards Amanda movies as well that we'll see.
And there might be disagreement.
You're expecting blood sport.
No, not necessarily.
But I do.
I just think we'll get to talk about more movies
and like types of movies we don't usually talk about.
That is very true.
There's a bunch of movies that don't come up very often
on her list.
It's amazing.
We've never done her.
So that'll be a lot of fun.
We'll do that on Friday.
Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode.
Thanks to Lucas Cabinot as well.
We're building the Merrill Street polyfame later this week.
See you then.
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