The Mysterious Death of Jeffrey Epstein, With Jena Friedman
2026-04-09 10:00:00 • 1:10:24
It's after midnight in Buenos Aires and you're still working.
13th floor, Puerto Madero, the lights of the port through the window.
You are Alberto Nisman, Special Prosecutor, and tomorrow you are going to walk into
Congress and end a presidency.
You've been building this case for 11 years.
It was 1994, a truck bomb driven into a Jewish community center in the middle of the city.
85 dead 300 wounded.
The deadliest terrorist attack in Argentine history.
But the investigation went nowhere.
There were rumors of cover-ups.
A judge in charge of the case was removed for, quote,
serious regularities.
The future Pope Francis signed a petition calling for justice in the case.
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Oil for grain, maybe arms, and in exchange, the case goes away.
You have the evidence.
Hours of wiretaps implicating the president.
You wrote the complaint.
And tomorrow you present it.
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It's somewhere in the apartment right now.
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You were murdered.
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In another hemisphere, another man who knew too much, another suicide ruling
that took years to question and may never be fully answered.
This is Wait a Second, the death of Jeffrey Epstein.
Welcome to Wait a Second.
I'm Jason Concepcion, as always.
That's Tyler Parker.
And today we are joined by a comedian and co-host with Elise Hugh of the podcast,
the Epstein Files Book Club.
Jenna Friedman, Jenna.
Thank you for joining us for this horrific topic.
How are you?
I'm, I mean, I'm fine.
That's right.
We should mention, I guess, at the top that this morning, the president threatened to.
I want to wake up for everybody to wipe out a civilization.
So if, if people are a little tense on air, it might be related to that.
Yeah, yeah.
I know.
I, yeah, it's fine.
I mean, it's not fine.
But we were living in these times.
We have to live.
That's right.
We have to live somehow.
So today we're talking about the mysterious demise of Jeffrey Epstein on the night of August
9th, 2019.
Jeffrey Epstein was in a cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan.
He was awaiting trial for federal sex traffic and charges.
He'd been arrested at Tieta Borough Airport coming off a private jet from Paris.
And on the morning of August 10th, he was found dead.
House oversight committee is trying to get one of the guards who was on duty that night.
Former Bureau of Prisons officer named Tova Noel to sit for a deposition.
It was originally scheduled for March 26th.
It has since been rescheduled.
No data has been set.
We'll see if it, new data is ever set.
Documents released under the Epstein files.
Transparency Act show that Noel was googling among other things.
Quote latest on Epstein and jail at 542 in the morning, roughly 40 minutes before the body was found.
And additionally, there were up to a dozen unexplained cash payments to Noel's.
Was it a dozen?
There were a round.
There were quite a few.
There was like a $5,000 payment and then a like in that.
The five days before he was killed.
Yeah.
The 5,000 was a week after his first reported suicide.
Or alleged, I guess it should be suicide.
And I just said was killed.
And maybe I'm wrong.
I mean, that's like the one benefit of being a comedian.
So let's talk about that first.
I mean, we will go through the many details that just simply don't line up.
But what do we think?
Jenna, what do you think happened?
I do not believe.
So, you know, I'm trying to not like feed the fires of conspiracy.
There's I don't believe he's in Tel Aviv.
I don't believe that's ridiculous.
Yes.
I believe that he was killed murdered.
And as I remember in 2019, I joked about on Conan.
Like I had this set and I was talking about Ted Bundy in the set.
And I forget what the joke is or like how Ted Bundy goes to the woman and like it's
really hard to go someone from prison.
Unless you're Jeff Epstein.
I said Jeff, which I wish I'd said Jeff.
I'm not sure if I can say that.
But it was so apparent then that he didn't kill himself.
But then I didn't realize how like I never knew until this week that no one had
even seen him hanging.
Well, so originally when this happened, I think maybe it was my own reaction
to QAnon or what and a kind of antipathy towards conspiracy theories.
I thought it seemed fairly reasonable.
People do kill themselves when they're in particular when they're under horrendous charges
like this.
And it's not as a New York person.
It did not seem crazy to me that cameras in a jail were not working or that the guards
were bad.
Yeah, but it was a lot of things and then the William Bar of it.
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Yeah.
But so here is so Julie K. Brown, Miami Herald investigator reporter whose work is probably
more than anyone else responsible for bringing Epstein to public consciousness has been very
outspoken on various podcast appearances, most notably the New Yorker radio hour where
she was asked, do you think he killed himself?
And here's just some of the things she talked about which we can, I have then researched
and she's right.
So first, the guards lied on their reports and never reported that they reported they
made checks in him and they didn't.
Absolutely, sure they never checked on him the night that he died.
At 3 a.m. and 5 a.m. or they're supposed to be doing those checks, they did not happen.
Right.
The cameras of course very famously didn't work.
The one that's like right across the salden work, there's one in the kind of like main
area of the floor that has a sort of fleeting angle towards the hallway.
But then there was a camera in the files that they found that there was a kind of a shadowy
figure that they saw.
That's right.
And then there was a cross where they're putting up like a barrier post death, right?
We think.
I thought that they saw like an orange figure moving in the, like there was some video.
This is again, why it's I need to have this like source in front of me.
I feel a little, no, I think I know what you're talking about.
I believe that is the angle from the angle that's out there from the main lobby there
that does appear to be like a like the cutoff of some orange.
Yeah.
Going that way.
And then later, they're emerged a video post mortem of them putting up like a screen
in front of his cell to do stuff inside the cell.
And then the shredding of the documents, which I know you'll get to.
We'll get to that.
Next, Julie brings up the fact that they didn't take pictures of the scene, which is crazy
to me.
Didn't treat it as a crime scene.
He's dead in there, very famous sex predator.
The most famous, the most famous, even at that time, very famous, very sensitive person
to have in custody.
And they don't take a picture of any of the way his body was laying of any of the stuff.
They have no idea how that looks.
This one is the, this is the craziest one to me and the one that's like Jesus.
They don't have the news.
Yeah, that's wild.
They don't have it.
Did they say that it was a sheets, but they don't have sheets fashioned in the form of
it?
Well, they said that there were quote, multiple scraps of cloth found in the cell, quote,
ripped and tied like a noose, but the actual one, they didn't find unclear.
Now, there's a picture of the cell where there's like an orange piece of fabric that's
hanging from the one of the legs of his bunk.
But again, it is stated in the DOJ Inspector General's report from 2023, quote, that that piece
of fabric is quote, not the ligature Epstein used to kill himself.
The news that investigators collected at the scene was later determined not to be the
actual ligature.
Guard Thomas told investigators he did not know whether the news was made from clothing
or bedding.
They don't have it.
So that you'd think that someone would put that in a bag right away.
It's like the worst game of clue.
It's truly to have the murder weapon.
How is it not like, all right, nobody move, no touch anything with that, we got to keep
that.
Like that's just seems like if you know nothing, you know enough to know that's going
to be an important thing.
Let's make sure we keep tabs on it.
Of all of the details.
That's the one that when I learned it, I was like, what?
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, the guards falling asleep, the camera's not being on.
The fact that he, so there was, I did think maybe killed himself because I had read that
he had attempted to kill himself prior, but then when you look into that, he never said
that.
He never said that.
And the guy that was in his, where you're talking about him, our friend Nick.
So yeah, okay.
So he was previously put with a gentleman named Nick Tartaglione, who is an ex-cop and
quadruple murderer, who tried, who Epstein said to attack him and tried to kill him.
Said he attacked him and he walked it back and said, I just tried.
Like he walked it back because he knew that he was in danger.
That's right.
I allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
And it was, and to your point, it was said that he had, he was put on suicide watch because
he had said he was suicidal.
He never says that.
No, where in any of the reports, did he ever say, I want to kill myself?
He never said that.
He just said that he was in danger potentially and that he was being extorted by his ex-cellmate,
the quadruple murderer, Mr. Tartaglione.
And one must also, you know, like we will get into Epstein's various connections with
very rich and powerful people, with intelligence, contacts, etc.
You'd think that guy would get his own cell, right?
Why would you?
Yeah.
They moved Epstein to that hall because he was afraid of getting killed because he's a
pedophile.
He was in Gen Pop, so to speak, for like a day.
And then they moved him, which you kind of feel like now in retrospect, that was attempt
one.
Just put him in Gen Pop and see what happened.
Right.
His cellmate is released the day before Epstein allegedly commit suicide.
Right.
They got him out of there, I guess, because it just seemed to...
There was, you know, once he had been attacked and they had it on record, maybe it's...
There's just too much heat on it.
No, okay.
He was the other part of this.
As he, apparently, they say, hung himself from his bunk, tied the one end of the literature
which we don't have to his bunk and then pulled forward enough to break three vertebrae
in his neck, which is just tremendous about a force.
But pictures of his cell show that the bunk, first of all, the bunk can be moved around.
They're not anchored to the floor.
Really?
Yeah.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
It's risky.
Yeah.
All of the, like his lotion or whatever it is that he had on the top bunk.
None of it fell over or anything, right?
It's just all still undisturbed despite the fact that this guy is yanking forward.
Yeah.
I mean, we're all acting as if what we were told was the truth.
But then if you take a step back and you say, what if he didn't kill himself, what if
it was someone had ordered it, then everything makes sense.
Everything makes sense.
I don't know how who wasn't qualified to serve in that unit being placed there just before
he died.
The money that was sent to her, her Google literally we were talking about her Google
history.
The Google history for Tova is absolutely bothered.
So just before he dies, she has her searches.
And the one that everyone is talking about is the one where she searched like Jeffrey Epstein.
The latest on Epstein.
The latest on Epstein.
Yeah.
And then she searched on Um Insurance.
So I thought meant unemployment.
She just looking for unemployment insurance.
Onum Insurance.
Onum Insurance.
I don't know.
But then after that, she goes USA jobs.
And then there's an ad for Ashley's furniture.
Yeah.
There's a couple different for it.
There's furniture Bronx NY.
Then Ashley's furniture.
What if Ashley isn't on it?
What if Ashley's is like, you're going to be in the files in a big way and we want our
brand out there.
Yeah.
And then there's a couple of places.
You guys.
All right.
Final stop.
You know what else is also interesting?
After she searched latest on Epstein and Jail, she said latest on Umar Aminat.
Do you know who he is?
No.
He's another prisoner in the-
He was a prisoner or he, yeah, in the jail and he's like a finance guy.
I'm like-
Same thing with Kinyata Taste, right?
Who's another, like sort of bracketing the latest on Epstein and Jail are two searches.
One of this Kinyata Taste.
Then one of the name you just mentioned.
They're both inmates at that facility, right?
So is she doing it to throw off the center?
She just-
Yeah.
I mean, that one's a little tricky one.
All sorts of sketchy stuff.
And then when they um, propine at her when they asked her initially, you want to get into
it because you're-
We can just talk about first of all the various cash deposits made to her account that
have never been explained or really investigated.
JP Morgan filed a suspicious activity report.
My 12 cash deposits made between April 2018 and July 2019.
The largest single deposit was for $5,000.
One day after Epstein was removed from suicide watch, seven deposits made between December
2018 and the filing totaled about 11 grand.
She was also leasing a $62,000 range rover at the time.
So my question with the JP Morgan flagging as suspicious-
I mean, if what, how would they have-
It doesn't seem, I mean, if the amounts were less than $5,000, how would that be suspicious?
How would- where would they have seen?
Do you know what I'm saying?
I do understand what you're saying.
It's unclear because we've never investigated it.
Because with Epstein, there were like so many suspicious transactions that all the banks
do each paying, like the Bank of America, I just had to settle with the victims.
Everybody apparently.
Yes, do each bank and yeah.
I mean, I think the suspicious transactions don't, I guess they're never investigated or
I'd be nice to know if they were.
I don't know.
I think the larger issue is just like why is nothing in the file?
Why is nothing in the file has been investigated thoroughly?
I think I know the answer.
You got a hunt?
You got a hunt?
I got a hunt.
I think, let me just say this and I will immediately come back at myself with the criticism
that you hear.
I think it's one because the current president is heavily implicated in the fact.
It's two pretty serious degrees going beyond just like the FBI tip line type evidentiary
stuff.
There is a pretty harrowing and truly horrific interview with a victim was 13 at the time
with an FBI, with an FBI agent.
So not for interviews.
For interviews that they found.
Jane Doe number four is what they called her.
They found her credible, right?
Oh, I know.
There's a lot of stuff and a lot of reason for the current president of the United States.
And there's also everything he said out loud, leading up to the 2016 election that I don't
know why everybody's shocked about everything, including what's going on with Iran.
Like, yeah, the dude is a convicted, I would say.
I don't know if the term is convicted or so far.
I think you can say adjudicated.
He's an adjudicated rapist.
Yes.
That was the Eugene Carroll?
Yes, the Eugene Carroll.
Yes.
And an adjudicated rapist in a civil court?
That's correct.
Sivily convicted because you can't be civily convicted.
Right.
He's an adjudicated rapist.
He's an adjudicated rapist if we want to be legally correct.
And then you can go online and watch his deposition where he talks about it.
It's like there's no.
He leaves you with no shadow of doubt.
But also everything he said.
He's literally said, you know, with the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the pussy tapes
and everything.
I mean, I think we just have such a short-term memory where we just should try to not,
let's, let's try to not vote for a rapist.
That's pleased to do that.
And that's a good, that's a good rule of thumb in general, I think.
And then I think the fact that like Epstein was killed like during his first term, you
know, or I love now we're all just saying, Epstein died.
Epstein died during his first term in circumstances remain with William Barr as the acting
attorney.
With William Barr as the acting attorney general under circumstances that I think it's
fair to say have not be fully investigated.
Not fully have not been really investigated much at all.
That's right.
Now people will say, okay, well, why didn't Joe, why didn't sleepy Joe do something?
And I would say two things.
Then this is just me personally not a legal expert.
I would say, first of all, if it is in fact proven and I think we should investigate
it, that any of the recent presidents suppressed evidence or allowed pressure to keep a case
against their free Epstein for going forward and then fine, let's look, can we take
to see I don't have any personal.
No one cares.
I don't care.
I don't care.
Lock him up.
Lock him up.
But her emails have her emails.
Yes.
I have an answer to child porn.
I don't care.
But secondarily, they're not going to be a real criminal.
I don't care.
I don't care.
I don't care.
But secondarily, there was once, and this feels like a billion million years ago, there
was this idea, very naive, no, that there was like this judicial independence.
And that because there was an open investigation into this guy, right, separation, you would
not, the president would not put their finger on the scale in any way that could be seen
as pressure or anything like that.
And Joe was just one of those guys who believed in that kind of stuff.
And Trump is taking his discolored hand and slammed it on the scale.
I would say James Comey and Robert Mueller, Maggie Reston piece, like these guys were all
institutionalists.
And in a moment when I don't think that's what was called for, but yeah, I mean the
two reasons, because people taught, you know, that's the thing people say, wouldn't
buy it and do this.
Well, obviously that idea that the DOJ was separate, but also that they were, that they
had Galen behind bars.
And it was an active criminal investigation.
But it is crazy.
It's also crazy that, you know, under President Obama, they had all this, they had so much
of this information too.
Yes.
Yes.
About Trump.
They had to.
I mean, I don't know how you felt about the steel dossier.
Well, I think it's been, I think it's been mostly debunked.
That said, the Russia collusion case found, you know, there's a lot of there there that
William Barr then reframed as there being no there there when he basically put it to
bed.
I remember in 2015, and I will never get over this when RT was pushing to be like this
media company in Russia today.
Russia today.
I was working at the daily show.
My colleagues had just gone over to Russian interviewed Snowden.
They came back with all these Russian agent Mr. Snowden.
Well, he was there.
They came back with all these crazy stories about what it was like in Russia.
And I got a phone call from a friend of mine who was like, do you want to work on this
show called Redacted Tonight?
It's like left of the daily show.
You can talk about whatever you want.
And I was googling it because I liked my job, but there were like, you could be a correspondent
and do all this other stuff.
And I was like, okay.
And then I'm like, oh, Russia today.
Yeah.
Funded by the Kremlin.
Yeah.
And I asked my friend, like, can you, can you joke about Putin?
Well, you can talk about it.
You can really criticize anything other than, can you talk about Trump?
I mean, anything else.
And I was so livid.
And it was like, and, and I was publicly commenting about my disdain for RT and ending
up on their blog.
And no one knew who I was and still no one does.
They did.
They did.
I was on their blog.
I was on their radar.
And I got so frustrated that like there was a show with comedian Lee Camp that was supposed
to be like an edgy version of the daily show, but it was fully funded by Russia.
No, it was talking about it.
And I actually like tipped off a reporter friend and I was like, look, like we're in an
era of Trump and you're like, you know, it's can, can comedies still be funny under
Trump?
Well, like how hard is it?
You know, that's the angle.
Like the angle is like, look at these guys.
They're not talking about Trump and find out why.
And you should know.
And he did write about it.
He did write about it in the New York Times, but it was just like, and then when RT had
to register as a foreign agent, I believe they went away and maybe then now they're just
online, but it was infuriating to just watch that happening and no one challenging it.
And no one really everyone kind of thought Russia was like, I don't know, Yakov Smirnov.
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It's not, I don't know.
It's outside of my expertise, but if you are just somebody who kind of like thinks, loves
and connects dots, you're like, yeah, this sucks.
It's super sucks.
I wonder if you've had any thoughts.
You know, the files have been dumped in this extremely chaotic way.
Half of them.
Half of this.
Still three million something.
Is documents that we will probably next week?
Is it officially half?
I don't know.
We don't know.
Yeah.
And now that Todd Blanche is the acting attorney general, it's pretty clear that he has no
intention of.
Yeah, but neither did Pam Bondi.
It doesn't matter.
I really believe that you, like, to the extent that we can, and really it's going to come
down to the midterms.
Yeah.
The amount of power that we have if we don't flip the house in the Senate in the midterms.
We got to make it there.
You know what I mean?
Let's make it there folks.
So forget your politics.
This is like if you want to live in like some semblance of a work in progress democracy,
which I don't know if we are even that anymore.
But I mean, the fact that we're not yet arrested.
Sure.
Although it's busted in the door.
Although, although surely by now we are in some palantir database with like the hashtag
like the other.
What's up?
Big car.
Big car.
That's what's so scary.
I was coming back from JFK and ISIS in the airports because like they really don't have
anything else to do with them.
They're not paying TSA.
So ISIS like just doing the jobs of TSA while TSA is standing there next to them.
And an ice agent asked my toddler who's three and a half like what's your birthday?
And I'm sure like TSA people do that too.
But with the ice agent and my toddler actually did know, but it took him a minute and we were
just kind of like okay, but the feeling of that was so.
Yeah.
It was so creepy.
And then the palantir on top of it.
So like you have like things that feel like they're out of like pre-Nazi Germany.
And then you have the fact that they could just like see your face and know what you've
posted in the past 20 years.
It's terrifying.
So there are these files.
And that I'll follow man off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there's we have some amount of files.
They in various states of redaction.
Some of those redactions were highly imperfect.
Some of the file naming conventions were wrong.
Perhaps on purpose.
It's unclear whether they dumped these files in an incompetent way out of pure and sincere
incompetency or whether part of the idea was like let's make people crazy with this.
Yeah.
I mean, they're had to have been and they also release names of many of the victims.
Yes.
Which is crazy.
Which they're getting sued rightfully right now.
But yes, I mean, it's a form of information warfare, I believe, again, as a comedian,
not a journalist.
And other people have said similar.
It's like when you get this amount of information, you either have two reactions.
One is to completely tune out.
And then the other is to go crazy.
Like you're like left when Q and on.
And part of why Elise Hue and I started the Epstein files book club is I was going through
the files and I felt insane.
And then I would go on to threads.
I got off of Twitter part.
I was also kicked off.
It's a whole other story.
But my account was like deleted.
I made one Elon joke.
And then my account was like fully deleted and I couldn't get it back.
Multiple pictures of himself with Glyn.
Right.
Yes.
So we were just, I was like, I need smart people and friends to synthesize this with without
going crazy.
And I don't, and I know a lot of people are out there who feel the same way.
You don't want to go into the files yourself.
You don't want to tune everything out.
Like what's the not happy medium?
Because none of this should is happy.
But like where, how do we proceed in this moment?
And then Elise had said to me, she's like, do you think that doing a podcast just about
the Epstein files is too limiting?
And I'm like, no, I believe that this is Watergate times a thousand.
And it's going to be in the news forever.
Forever.
Forever.
For as long as we have a free and fair press, it will be and which is not, might not be
that long.
But it will be in the news.
And this is a prism with which we're viewing all news in this moment.
What has been the most, I mean, is there like a revelation from the files that has
leapt out at you?
I think for me, it was like, why is it Alexa, Wexner and Jail?
Yeah.
That's one to me that like just not even from the files, but from like reporting that
is out there that existed.
But is there something like that to you that is popped up where you're just like, why
do you know about this and why isn't this person doing it?
Probably so much.
Just how brazen and how like how compulsive Epstein was and how long he was able to get
away with it.
Like, if you can be a predator and a pedophile, but just like this, it was at an industrial
scale.
That was a crazy stuff.
Like 200 girls in Florida.
And that he was never held accountable.
Yeah.
It just, it's crazy.
And then also he was like so brazen to send flowers to some of the girls high schools.
Yes.
That's crazy.
Yes.
I feel like that has not even been harped on enough.
Just the level.
And then the other thing is just as a woman who grew up in the 90s, like, you know, I remember
when my friend's little sister came home from like the mall and she had a thong from limited
two.
And I remember then being like, ew.
Yeah.
And it's all these pedophiles are shaping how women see themselves.
Yes.
And what we wear and how we look and it's like somebody was kind of Botox and like, I
don't want to inject toxins into my face to like appeal to a beauty standards set by
pedophiles.
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It's been impossible to think of, you know, like I love the strokes during the late 90s
or the years that they are.
And you know, lead singer's dad, oh god, nobody talks about Costa Blancas.
The lead singer's dad, Julian Costa Blancas, lead singer, his father was a big time modeling
agent who was entangled to a degree that is notable.
John Costa Blancas.
John Costa Blancas was who Trump aspired to be.
Yes.
There are reasons to believe including that it appears that the modeling industry certainly
at that time was like on some level a trafficking system.
It was a system.
Yes.
The Melania.
That this gentleman was involved in trevving and it's like that's one of those things where
it's like, and there's so many things I can't even look at the same.
I'm like that.
That's what I'm going on.
How he died in prison.
That's the other thing.
So the one thing that's so stupid.
Talk about that one.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, the thing I'll talk about as we're doing this, and then I want to talk about
this one is actually personal to me and it's like so sad.
But as we're doing our little research, it's like the amount of people who just died
mysteriously or died before their time connected to the people in the files is so chilling.
Jean-Luc Brunel died in prison.
He was, he committed suicide.
He was Epsteined, whatever you want to call it.
And he allegedly was going to talk.
So a friend of mine, Joanne Lee, was a comedian in New York, super smart, super funny, gorgeous
comedian went to dental school at Columbia.
We all lost touch with her.
A bunch of us saw her right before she died.
She came to a comedy show that I was on.
We all hung out that night and it was a couple years after she stopped doing comedy and
they just like, I remember that night, there was just something off with her and I didn't
know what it was.
It was like the light had just kind of gone from her eyes.
There was just something weird anyway.
A couple months later, we hear she's missing.
And then maybe three or four weeks later, her body is found in the Hudson River.
And everyone said, Joanne, you know, it's tragic.
She was struggling with mental health issues and she committed suicide.
My friend had a Facebook page that was a memorial site to her.
A week after the files, the second batch dropped.
He sent me a screenshot.
Someone sent him one of the things from the files that was Karina Shuliac to Jeffrey Epstein
with a link about Joanne's disappearance.
That's chilling.
Jesus.
And Joanne, no other context.
When he sent me, he was like, do you know what this is about?
And I got chills because Karina was in dental school at Joanne.
But Joanne also wasn't just in dental school.
She was a president of the student dental association for the entire country.
So she had access to power and whatever.
And like I'm like, maybe Karina just knew her from school and she was missing.
Karina also donated a couple weeks later right before Joanne's body was showed up.
Karina donated, I think, a thousand dollars to her to Joanne's brothers, like missing,
missing, like to try to find a detective.
So I reported this to the NYPD.
And I said, just so you know, somebody who was missing, like, I'm not a detective.
I don't have any access to anything.
But like, if her family also, I didn't realize two other things.
I didn't realize that her family always suspected that her death was suspicious.
And I also didn't realize that right before she, her phone turned off, which was I think
around Washington Heights, she had a phone call to a number in California for 30 minutes.
And that number disconnected shortly after.
And no, the number has gone.
Phone number disconnected and none of her friends and family recognized that number.
So that's all we know.
Best case scenario.
And I hate to even use it phrase, Karina knew of Joanne.
And just told Epstein, there's a girl in my school who went missing.
And then she just donated three weeks later.
That's the best case scenario I can't speculate for those who aren't aware who Karina is.
So you want to, she was, she's like a,
Karina Shuliac was Epstein's like, Galen number two.
Right.
She came from Belarus.
She was a dental student is she's not a dental student, or she practices dentistry.
He put her through school.
He put her, he paid.
Yeah.
There's a whole scandal at Columbia University, dental school, because a lot of the,
or a couple of people, professors in the department, I think the head of the school had
to step down because they were bribed, Epstein got her into dental school.
And then she's who he gave all of his money to.
She says last phone call from prison.
And she has never been subpoenaed.
That's it.
And so this is the other thing to me.
It's like, okay, he's, Glanz and Jail, okay.
Epstein is dead.
But like who flew the plane?
Who fixed the plane?
Who cleaned the houses?
Who drove him to and fro?
Who brought the women in the girls to all the dentists?
All the doctors.
The window is housed.
The window is housed.
Look at people.
Either Dubin.
Glen Dubin's wife who dated Epstein.
It's insane that there is, there's really nobody else.
Like that to me is like, we, nobody.
There's no one.
And then the only people that have been held accountable so far are women.
Glen.
Which I find with if they deserve it.
Right.
Glen, Pambondi, Kristinaum.
And also not really.
Not really on count of them.
Yeah.
And in terms of administration, it's been Kristinaum and Pambondi who have had to step down.
Europe has been better with people at least falling from grace in a way that you feel like
while they're not going to prison, their career is probably done like for good.
Yeah.
Although other people have gone to prison in other European countries, there's been a
suicide of I believe the ex finish prime minister or something.
And why do you just tell us what you know before you kill yourself?
Where I am.
Like, hey, can we get a note?
What happened to me?
What happened to everything you know?
What happened to suicide?
You're going to look bad regardless?
Yeah.
Just give us a heads up or like a straight to phone video and then just like guys, it's
Trump.
Trump did it.
We all know.
Hey, I don't think, you know, I don't know the Trump to ring later.
I think that he was, I think he's just so deeply enmeshed that he is like, like a
kid, like a corner rat who is just anything to like delay the day of reckoning for like
five more minutes.
And I don't think he's strategic or smart enough to it.
But he has to be something because he's in power again.
I mean, I also think that this second round is just everything that is happening now,
I feared in 2016.
Like I remember being, I remember election night because I was on live TV.
I was on Colbert on election night.
And I remember feeling like it was the beginning of the end.
It felt like 9-11.
It felt like 9-11 on like another level.
New York felt like just, it felt like our democracy was as an, as an, as an New Jersey
person, as a, as a long Island, New Yorker, it was always crazy to me.
Like I remember when he went bankrupt and I'm like, good, okay, we don't have to deal
with this guy anymore.
And he came back with the, with the apprentice and all this stuff.
But then to see his rise to national prominence, it was literally like, it was almost like the
Giuliani thing too, where I was like, no, you guys don't understand because you're not
in the area.
This guy is terrible.
Like how can this be happening?
So I remember I met him.
I met him.
I was on the campaign trail with these two comedians who are hilarious.
Jason Devram of The Good Liars.
And they were doing this movie on the campaign trail where Wilma's like the most like parody
of like a Bernie bro and the other was like a parody of like a Trumper and then or like
a parody of actually like Rick Santorum and then they both became, and then they both
became Trumpers.
It was like a horseshoe.
But it's like this like prank live action comedy where we're literally on the campaign
trail.
And they had this bit where they had Trump arm bands.
And they're like, we need to, we need, we're doing a bit where we're giving people arm
bands to see if they'll wear them.
Everybody of course wore them.
But for the joke to work in the movie, we needed to get footage of people wearing them
in a Trump town hall.
And they were like, we're already too recognized, but we can't go to the Trump town hall.
This is New Hampshire primary.
Right when he won the New Hampshire primary and that was really when he became like a viable
candidate.
And I was like, okay, like I guess I used to be a producer at the Daily Show.
I can like see if we can get in.
And I show up.
I'm like, hi, we're women for Trump.
It was me and a camera operator who was a woman and they were like, okay.
And they let us in.
And I got like a front row seat.
I can show it to you.
I'm like on CNN, like next to Trump.
And Charlotte is filming me and I'm like, not a prank comedian.
I was like, what the fuck do I do?
I should have pretended to fall asleep, but instead I got up on my phone and I had this
like conversation behind him.
But there was this one moment where he, I was the only person in the front row under 70.
So he went right for me.
And I also he's a rapist.
So he went, he's a rapist.
And he went to shake my hand.
And he went to shake my hand and I couldn't touch his hand.
I just showed you the photo too.
It's wild.
But I wouldn't touch his hand.
And then the rest of the time he stood right behind me between, it's like game recognized
game.
You know, he stood right behind me between me and the cameras because he was like, I
don't trust her.
But after they were like, they were like, people were asking questions.
I was scared.
I was like, what do I ask them?
How do I, I just, and I couldn't sleep for two days.
This doesn't have to be on the podcast.
But I couldn't sleep for like two days because I was like, I should have asked him for
a question.
I should have asked him.
But it was like, you felt, it felt like he was going to win.
And he won the hamster and then he won the election.
But the reason I bring him up after the election, I was thinking I'm like, how did, I've
never, I, I went to like the Atlanta airport and there are all these white women.
I've never had this out of my life.
And I'm like, which one of you white bitches voted for Trump?
Right.
Probably well by all of you.
I mean, by percentage, it's like 70% of them.
But I've never even thought that.
I hate the word bitch.
And I would never, but I was just like, what the fuck?
And I was at some like random bar in like Joshua Tree with all these white women who voted
for Trump.
And they were drinking beers and I had a beer with them.
And the one through line is that they were all really damaged and broken and sad.
And I do think not to, you know, I mean, there are also, it's like, you know, a lot of racism
and a lot of like all sorts of things in mesh into it.
Like the past 30 years of just like the middle class of voting, people losing jobs and people
wanting a scapegoat and wanting a savior.
I mean, it's like, it's history, you know, it's like people are voting for Trump because
they would rather just torch the system because it's not working for them.
Yeah, I think that that is certainly.
And we haven't fixed it really, you know what I mean?
I mean, we're like, here's the goodness.
There's never been a true like reformist redistributive movement without disaster.
So like here's hoping that after this, their pendulum is going to swing.
The pendulum will swing like heavily back.
It'll be like woke to here we come and like let's.
And then it's going to be the apocalypse.
Like what?
But here's the thing.
It's like with the with our media ecosystem, the way it is.
It's like so fragmented.
It's like we're not we're speaking in our own silos.
We're not speaking across the aisle.
And we're not speaking to each other.
And I just like going back and forth from extremes.
It's not good.
It's not good.
Well, that's the I mean, the thing that in my view, nobody's really talking, it's like,
yes, we got to win men terms.
Of course, you got to win the presidency and have someone who's more normal in there.
But you also have to like like it's fourth quarter.
We're down by five touchdowns.
Like you we got to get in there, put the key in and kind of break it off.
Like it's unfair to the rest of the world to have their economies torched.
No gas, nuclear war maybe question month.
And it's like because 30% of the US is crazy.
And it's not even 30% and also voter suppression and all this shit.
You don't even know what what the starlin stuff.
I don't even know about that or the voting machine's like who knows.
But that's what I thought with like that's the thing that I'm also most upset about.
Like the whole Merrick Garland of it all.
Like what the fuck was that?
I think that is just like wrong person for the wrong time.
Like it's an example of an institutionalist.
I mean, I can't believe he convicted he convicted Biden's son and didn't get Trump
on multiple.
On the leave anyway.
But it's not just him.
It's him.
It's James Comey.
Comey whose big whose big move was getting Martha Stewart.
Like that's his big conviction.
It's Mueller.
You know, I mean, like Mueller tried, but then to your point about William
Barmas characterizing the findings.
I mean, it's just it's really, I think it's like it keeps happening.
And then just even not having a primary the way that they ran Kamala like after not
having a primary when they should, you know what I mean?
It's just, you know, I'm glad you brought this up because like to, in case people think
we're being too hard on pedophiles.
Too hard on pedophiles.
I'm going to treat it right.
I'll say this like here's, well, first of all, Joe was clearly too old and it was not
going to make it.
But if Joe was going to drop out at the late hour that he did, he should have turned to
Harris and said, listen, whatever you need to do, whatever you need to say, like go at
me.
You disagreed with me on Gaza.
You disagreed me on this, that and the other, whatever you need to do, do it because
it's for the country.
If he's not going to say that, then Harris needs to go.
If your rhetoric matches your actions and this is a threat to democracy and we've got
to make sure this doesn't happen and this, that and the other, then you've got to be like,
you know what?
I've got to hurt Joe's feelings.
But then instead, we decided not to hurt Joe's feelings and we are here.
It's really hard to be optimistic about the future with everything that we're staring
down.
And then when you take into account the fact that like the Epstein files have spanned decades
and all of these.
30 years of stuff now.
No investigations, no one has had a countable.
Yeah.
It's like the public distrust is even higher in the system.
I do think like if, if let's say the pendulum swings, right, I do think stuff has to happen
like pretty quickly and people have to be comfortable with a type of accountability that
we have never kind of seen in the country.
You know, it's like Ford, pardon Nixon, Jefferson Davis was allowed to return to normal life.
Like they've never held anybody of power accountable in this country.
So it is going to feel like, why are we going after people?
But they're going to have to do it.
Like they're going to have to actually go after people this time.
And it's going to have to be in a way that's not like, oh, this will take two years as
we spin up the end.
No, it's got to, it's got to hit the ground running this time.
I think it makes normal people feel crazy when all we deal with all day are consequences
for our actions.
Yes.
And the most powerful people don't have to do that.
I think that that's when we get into this mind numbing headspace that a lot of us are
in now where you're hearing all these terrible things that it seems like for sure these
very powerful people did.
And we haven't seen a single perp walk and everything in your head tells you like, oh,
they fucked up.
Right.
Royale.
There should be some fucking action after this that addresses that.
And when there is none, yeah, I think you just start to think like, well, then what is
is that are we not in that world?
Like are there like different worlds here?
We're not.
But it's like, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then not to go so dark, but then AI on top of it.
Yeah.
And not only the Palantir, so the surveillance state, but also the fact that like AI is coming
for so many jobs, not my job because my job is not profitable enough.
AI is not like, oh, I'm going to go on podcasts and talk about Trump.
But AI taking away jobs, you're taking away meaning.
Humans need meaning.
It's bad.
It's really bad.
It's dark.
It's really bad.
This is why people love Luigi.
You know what I mean?
I'm talking about Luigi, but like you're going to create a lot of Luigi.
This is what it is.
You're going to get smart people who don't, you know, who don't have jobs, who don't
have, and I'm not trying to like, like, run on like, I'm a fucking comedian.
Yeah.
Nobody is calling for an actual armed revolution, but just meaning.
But showing up to somewhere, feeling like you can work towards something bigger small,
even like, you know, just to not have that is going to be really scary for a whole
generation of kids who are already like mentally ill, literally because of social media.
Yeah.
Sorry.
You want to go to the next one?
The heads of the fast are dark enough.
Let's have a comedian on.
Well, light and think, look, I thought we started off at a good spot.
I was talking about how my son's lesson name is Epstein.
Yeah, that was a good start.
Yeah.
That was funny.
I hope that's like the teaser into this harrowing.
It is truly harrowing.
I mean, I keep coming away with like, so the Q and I people were right kind of.
They've disappeared since, by the way, which tells you that it was some sort of a sia
op.
Well, wait a minute.
So we had on the podcast last week, we did a whole episode about the Roth Childs, which
I didn't want to do, but they were mentioned.
I think it's important to be like, hey, guys, let's be careful with, well, they were,
I mean, like, I've seen former accountant mention them as it mentioned the Edminder
Roth Child group, which is run by Ariane to Roth Child, who's not even Jewish, but as
one of the financiers of Epstein says, like, I got to talk about this.
So we talked about it.
And so this guy who's a journalist who's written two books, one on Q and I and one on like
the Roth Childs, and his last name, unfortunately, sorry, conspiracy theorist, it is Roth Childs.
His name is Mike Roth Child.
Oh, so the Roth Child guy is so bad.
It's so bad.
It's so bad.
But I asked him that question about Q and on.
And I said, Mike, what happened to Q and on?
And he said, it became the government.
Yeah.
So it hasn't receded.
It's the government.
I mean, it's the Department of Health and Human Services.
It's now mainstream.
So it's no longer in the shadows.
It's no longer conspiracy theory.
I mean, I will say one of the threads that remains unpoled is Epstein's intersection with
this entire ecosystem of right wing.
That's the ban on nationalistic, you know, disinformation networks, particularly 4chan
who he had, I mean, he had to meet some kind of exchange slash meeting with Moot, who
is the programmer behind 4chan.
In order to recreate, reinstate the slash POL, politics, subreddit, 4chan, whatever they
call it, the 4chan sub channels.
That was a big nexus of disinformation and Q and on stuff, you know, comment pizza type
stuff.
And why was he in like, why was he in contact with our guys?
There's just too much.
It's too much.
It's literally too much.
You just start going like, yeah.
Yeah.
And that's also, that's also another thing.
Like, I really feel for people who are struggling with mental health issues.
Yeah.
It makes you crazy.
It makes you crazy.
It makes you crazy.
And that's not to be like, another reason why we are talking about it on our podcasts
at least because when you were going, I'm on threads.
And I'm looking at, there's like blatant misinformation.
There's like, there's stuff on threads now talking about like, you know, like Trump, like,
there's so much misinformation on threads that and like, and like, you know, AI videos
and stuff that you're just like, I'm going to go crazy if I don't find a way to do it.
Well, there's, yeah, there's some picture going around of the WSO who supposedly was rescued
or you know, all that bullshit, but the picture that was going around on Twitter, I guess
it was the AI picture of the guy of the person among other troops, whatever smiling and stuff
and just so clearly AI, but that doesn't stop people from buying it.
Well, let's go to our, we have a thing called a lucid score.
Legs does this story have legs or we can continue to talk about this story.
Each category from one to four.
It can be a zero as well.
For instance, unintentional comedy, it can be a zero.
Sinisterness, intrigue and danger.
You're going to have you rank these this story.
I guess we can keep it to, we can keep it to Epstein's murder or death.
Epstein's death.
Sorry, I keep saying murder, but it's suspicious death.
His mysterious death does this story at once.
Wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.
Unintended comedy.
We can think of, we can think of it.
Okay, you're the professional, so we'll let you take it.
Oh, tragedy plus time, also not a tragedy.
Epstein being dead is not a tragedy.
It's kind of good, right.
You know, well, let's start with legs.
Does this story of legs, the death of fans here at different time?
Yeah, because if you find out, if Tova Noel decides to say, yeah, I was given an order
by this guy.
If you find out who gave her the order or who put her there, then you can implicate people
and then you can prosecute people potentially.
And I do think that the guards are going to be a weak link.
It's not like that's another thing.
Sorry, I'm so good.
I don't, everyone's of no one saying anything.
I watched Wexner's deposition.
He just didn't, no one's saying anything.
They're so, Clinton, I was shocked to learn that he's only ever sent to emails.
I was shocking to me.
But all of these people are being deposed for hours and hours and hours.
And no one did take the fifth, I believe, multiple times.
Yeah, but he just, he was like, no, no, no, no.
He was kind of like, no, yeah, I was crazy to watch these people just like, no one's
giving you an inch.
And everyone's like, all you want is one person to be like, but I do feel like Noel and
the guards potentially are going to get killed if they say anything.
I kind of, I don't disagree with you.
And surely they are thinking that.
Yeah.
But I feel like we're kind of at a tipping point, like how many times can you go back to
the well?
And especially with the spot light that like it's one thing, I can't imagine to have
Noel has anything to gain by saying there's nothing she, she's in a position where she
don't have proof that she did anything.
It's all like circumspect, so she's not going to get, she's not going to go to prison.
So she just, she needs to do the Thomas Massey.
Hey, I'm in great health.
I eat very healthy.
I have no emotional problems.
I don't own a gun.
Like I intend on living a long, long, long life.
Let me just put that out there.
I mean, she's also the Julie K. Brown reporting on her is so interesting.
And then you just kind of, yeah, she's good.
So legs, yeah, I mean, until we get until there's justice for the victims and survivors
and all of us living in this country, we're going to keep talking about it.
We're going to keep talking about it.
I think we'll be talking about this for the rest of our lives.
Well, don't say that because we could get.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
The rest of our lives are right outside waiting for you.
An intentional comedy.
Anything?
Can you come up with anything?
Yeah, I mean, in the files, I've seen some pretty dumb jokes.
There's this guy Harry Fish who was a friend of Epstein who had this pilot he wrote called
Baby Maker written with two letterman writers.
I worked for Letterman.
I'm trying.
I think I know who those guys are and I don't want to blow up their spot, but I need
them trying to get a hold of that pilot.
I mean, Steve Bannon, a producer on Seinfeld is one of the creators.
Steve Bannon, a producer on Seinfeld.
Okay.
So on Intent Jones, there's more comedy about Epstein.
Oh, I mean, I did that joke on Conan in 2019.
So from zero to four, where would you rate it?
Intent Jones is a funny, unintentional comedy aspects of the mysterious,
death of Jeffrey Epstein.
Look, I think anything can be funny.
I think there's a way to make anything funny.
So, you know, if you're funny, you can make it funny.
You want to give it a two?
Okay, we're gonna get a four.
Okay, we're gonna get a four.
I know you guys don't know it.
I know you guys don't know it.
Look at this.
Like, you're like, again, you are the professional.
Sinisterness.
Is it a sinister story?
Yeah, of course.
I mean, it's four.
I mean, it's got everything.
It does have everything.
Tover released that statement.
We are.
It's got everything.
Jeffrey Epstein in prison.
The news.
We don't know where it is.
Okay, intrigue.
Yeah, four.
Four, okay.
Danger.
Well, it depends.
Are you tovenoel?
Yeah, are you tovenoel?
Or that other guy, Michael, something?
Yeah.
Or Nick.
Nick.
The guy who was, who?
Oh, Nickle is Tartaglion.
Yeah.
Tartaglionie or Tartaglionie?
Well, I don't want to get it wrong, Nick.
I know Nick.
We don't want to get your name wrong.
I don't want to get it wrong.
Well, I would argue that it's unclear how much of this situation, the Epstein situation
in general, is driving current chaos in the world.
Yeah.
So, I think it's pretty dangerous.
Yeah.
Even if you're not one of these people who intersects with the story.
Right.
So, also, after the second batch of files dropped, I was like, why isn't anyone talking?
Why isn't anyone talking?
Then I realized someone did talk for Jean-Gierreux.
And I read her book and it was interesting because it actually made me less conspiracy oriented
because there was nothing about jerky and eating babies and whatever in the book.
But it just talked about the way that they were trafficked to powerful men and it wasn't
like financial, it wasn't as overly financial.
It was more just kind of like, this guy's here.
He's here, you're here right now.
Give him a massage the way that Epstein likes.
It was helpful for me to kind of understand.
And then, you know, she left.
She escaped, I think, around like 2001ish and then he, you know, there's been so much
more and all those or a ranch stuff is so sketchy.
But we should they never searched.
Oh, this is also sketchy.
I'm sorry.
We could talk about this forever.
But Don Huffine's wife.
Oh, God.
Which I didn't even realize that people that bought Zora Ranch, his wife has like ties to
Russia.
Yeah.
So, that's confirmed?
Uh, they're looking into that.
But yes.
Like, I read it from a journalist on Subsex.
So, I don't know.
The chair is a litge for a journalist.
Yeah.
Danger, I mean, two.
Okay, two.
So, that gives us, like, you off like twenty-nine times.
You're the guest and you should.
It's all, it's all good.
Yeah.
That gives us a grand score of 18, which is a pretty high.
It's legal.
It's in many states and yikes.
I got to make, I got one laugh.
You had to keep it over there.
We're going to go to the Doom Scroll now.
So, welcome to the Doom Scroll.
This is a thing where we take a look at some stories that have been in the news recently
that have kind of made us just raise our eyebrows a little bit stuff that we wanted to kind
of keep tabs on.
First things first, I'm not sure if you saw that I ran, has a petex at the diss track or
not.
We've seen that, Iran made a AI-generated diss track about the diss, they made several,
but they did.
Whoever's doing around social media is really on it.
No, no, no, they're winning.
I mean, they're winning a war, I think, in general, but they're winning the information
worth.
Little Legos, trailer.
Yeah, let's talk.
Oh my god.
Oh my god, New York there.
Who's doing this?
It feels like the Kremlin is like helping them.
It feels like very...
Okay, and they're really technical people.
Not to say that the Persians aren't technical, but I just feel like...
I feel like the people do not like...
I feel like the people do not like their...
I mean, this feels like it's from people who actually like their administration.
I don't know.
Well, I think that there are probably very smart people within the...
I mean, my question is like, what AI platform?
Is it Chinese?
Is it DeepSeek?
Did they use Sora?
Did they use some sort of DeepSeek into Sora input?
It's very questionable, but yeah, I mean, it's well done.
The things that are covered in the song, the sexual assault allegations, the fact that
Hegsith was removed from Brydon's 2021 inauguration when he was an Army National Guard member.
Is it an original song, do you think, or is it like, Tetsu-P-T?
No, no, it's not.
It's a chat TVT.
It's a chat TVT.
Yeah.
But yeah, it, you know, I'm a sort of being racist, adulterous, alcoholic, bad tattoos,
the whole, the whole...
You have to be mean, and I'm just like, they're replacing our job.
That's all I'm thinking.
I'm with you.
Other than the fact that he's purging the military of all women and black generals,
why would you think that he's racist?
You're right.
Allegedly.
Right, right.
Okay.
That's a great point.
Not for him, Jay.
Have you seen these Scientology speed runs?
You know what this is?
Kids nowadays, they've started this new trend on TikTok where they walk into a Scientology
building and then just take off running and try to see how far they can get into the
building before they get stopped.
So wait, here we go.
Oh, that's clever.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's like funny until it's.
Yes.
Until it's like weapon.
You know what I mean?
Yes.
It's like.
No, sorry.
Now I'm a mom, but I'm like, it's funny, but it's just like what world are we living in?
Okay.
What else do we got?
I'm with you.
The Mount Everest Poison Scam.
Yeah, the Poison Scam.
What?
Okay.
So the headline from the New York Post, Hemi Liars.
Mount Everest Guides allegedly poisoned quote climbers as part of a sinister $20 million
scam.
Allegedly, these guides up on Everest secretly lays tourists food to trigger costly helicopter
rescues as part of a $20 million insurance scam.
Oh.
Police in a poll have charged 32 people, including tour guides, helicopter operators and hospital
executives.
Guides with the trekking agencies allegedly poisoned tourists by putting baking soda
in their food to trigger pain that mimicked altitude sickness or food poisoning.
And then they're obviously a lot more agreeable to be a helled out of there.
Right.
Right.
Whenever they're feeling like something terrible is going wrong.
Now that is where I will say the earlier it's does seem in the, that just sounds like
Mother Nature feeling.
Completely.
But I will say that in the complaint, the first part of before the baking soda, it seems
that what they were doing was encouraging anyone who is experiencing because of the thin
air, lightheadedness or symptoms, congruent with altitude sickness to be like, well, you
got to get helicopter off the mountain right now.
Which I think, aren't they just being responsible?
I don't know.
These folks need a little more.
Can we like up their pay?
Also, like they're risking their lives.
They're also destroying Everest and all the foot traffic.
It's crazy.
Anytime I see one of these guides, I do think like, shouldn't these guys be bigger heroes?
Why?
I think they should.
It's like the cameraman whenever these adventure shows are happening.
It's like these are the people that really do in a big time.
Carry your own stuff up there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like what?
Go up there without people like explorers didn't always have like porters with them.
Like carry your own stuff, make your own food.
This is a hard egg.
This is just called the tax that you have to pay.
I agree.
You're going to, you know, I support the Sherpas.
Anything else?
I support the Sherpas.
I do.
I do.
I do too.
I do too.
I do too.
I do too.
I do too.
I do too.
I do too.
I do too.
I do too.
I do too.
I do too.
I do too.
It's melting.
But a couple weeks ago in the Doomscrow, we covered Greg Phillips, who's this FEMA official who
has now famously claimed that he wants teleported to a waffle house.
Right.
In Rome, Georgia, the New York Times looked into the claims.
The headline quote, no one at waffle house remembers FEMA official who says he teleported in.
So none of the two dozen employees or regulars they interviewed last week, no one even has a
photo of him. The lead, which is great, Shastone Burge has worked for a decade as a waffle house
server in Rome, Georgia, much of it on the night shift. She said she was once punched in the face
by a customer. She saw someone overdose in the bathroom. One night a man took all the steak knives
and threatened the staff with them, but she has never seen anyone teleport to the place.
I will say that if he's teleported in the parking lot,
good, really good call, really good call. The headline was somewhat controversial online.
Here's the headline. This is in the New York Times.
This is in the Times.
Here's the story.
Here's the New York Times.
Here's the headline. No one at waffle house remembers FEMA official who says he teleported in.
And then the the body of the story mentions that the reporter spoke to Sydney Perkowitz,
Emeritus professor of physics at Emory University, just to I guess corroborate.
Is he in the files?
Collaborate whether or not.
He's in the files.
Collaborate whether or not it's possible that a human being could teleport to anywhere,
including a waffle house and the professor just say no.
So they've checked that claim.
And we should honestly just try to double check.
Well, that's what I do with everybody now. I just like if I go on a meeting, I just like,
am I?
I want to ask you this. What is your files research platform of choice?
I mean, that's also probably why I'm flagged because I just go into the files directly.
I've also I also go to J-Mails a lot better, but I because I was so paranoid that I was going to
misquote something or get something wrong, at least on my show. I don't know. Your show I have no.
I think it is important to be accurate about it. There's a lot of this show.
I don't know what I said.
You guys are much more factual. You have notes. I don't know. I'm just talking about a lazy.
At least a reporter. You guys are much more. You have like a breaking news on your.
There was a friend of mine who was in the files and he was not in the file.
Like he just it sucked for him. He did nothing wrong, but he just knew somebody and ended up in the
files. And I wanted to give him to talk about the show. And he was like, I want to talk about it.
He should have let PR team will not let me even touch with the 10th of a pull.
It's just one of those things. If you're in the file.
He's like, if it comes out more publicly, I'll talk about it, but until it does, I can't like bring it up.
Yeah, I think you got it. It's just. I don't know what you had for the folks in there who
were just mentioned tangentially, but you got to take your lunch.
I mean, people are like people want accountability and justice. And so, you know, it's what happens.
You know, people are thirsty for it. So.
Well, Jenna, come back sometime.
Please.
Oh, anytime we'll get dark again.
What did we get dark?
I thought that was pretty.
I think we kept it.
You know, we can do pretty light.
I think we like it.
It's a partly cloudy.
I think I could run it.
As long as and I say this, but like, you know, who knows what's going to happen,
but as long as we are able to talk about this stuff, I do feel like there's something,
you know, we're saving our democracy and like the fact that we can actually,
or maybe we're all just like beards for fascism.
Like maybe like no one listens them anyway.
We're just going to let them like blah, blah, blah, blah.
To your point, I do think it is important to keep it in the public conversation.
Yeah.
Because there are living victims like need justice.
There are living victims and survivors who need justice.
And I also, I mean, that was like, I hate to, okay, so this is going to maybe beat me,
be me trying to end on a positive note.
I did feel energized with the second batch of files being released.
Because I'm like, now we have something to go off of.
Right.
Pam Bondi said that they were done and now she's out of a job.
You know what I mean?
We're, we're, it's, you just have to keep, this is the one issue that is bipartisan,
that Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians.
Well, two of them, yeah, what, Massey and
Rokon.
Kind of wonderful reaching across the aisle.
Everybody else is kind of, but I, but I'm not talking about politicians.
Yeah, talking about people.
No, you're in Americans.
Yes, you're right.
I thought it would be ice, like, but it, what, it's not ice.
I don't know how it's not ice.
It's not like children and detention centers.
I thought it would be that.
I can't believe it's not that, but it's this.
This is the one thing that like all Americans can agree on.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
And we need justice for the perpetrator allegedly.
The perpetrators.
So it felt like energizing that there was so much information that was so
indicted, even though maybe not prosecutable, but we're figuring it out.
But I mean, you're seeing, I do believe that it's like, you know, it has receded,
but I don't think the war with Iran has like fully stopped people from talking and
thinking about this.
I think hopefully if we can get, you know, the House and Senate back in the midterms,
we can start on vacation right now.
I know, right?
I know.
Nothing going on.
So you need to, but it did make me feel less fatalistic.
Just being like, now we have a thing that we can talk to our crazy uncles about.
Or try to, you know, like we all want people who abuse and victimize people to be held accountable.
Jenna, thanks for coming on.
Thanks for having me.
So like, I'm mugged to that.
Yes.
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