Trades That We Want to See in the First Round of the NFL Draft!

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I'm your host,

Shield Kapadia and we've got a good old fashioned fake trade episode.

I was just going through the entire first round all day looking at who could move up?

Who could move back?

What are the pivot points in the first round of the NFL?

Drash could some of these trades involve some veterans who might be on the market.

So we came up with a bunch of scenarios that we're guest today.

Is the Ringer's Austin Gale.

I threw a bunch his way.

He threw a few my way.

And we're going to go over through these trades actually makes sense.

So let's take a break.

We come back.

We get to those trades with Austin Gale.

All right.

We are back on the Ringer NFL show.

Shield Kapadia here with my friend Austin Gale.

We're doing some fake trades.

What's better than fake trades?

We do it earlier in the off season with players Austin,

but now we're doing it for the first round of the NFL draft.

We've done the mock stuff.

We did big questions with the auntie,

but where are the pivot points in the first round?

Where could we see some movement?

I've got a list of a bunch of fake trades.

I've been working on all day that I'm going to throw your way.

And then you've got a couple for me.

What's better than this, honestly?

Nothing really.

I was doing some research last minute prep for this pod.

And I ran into it.

I don't know who wrote it, but it was an article that was like a mock draft

with trades for every pick.

You know, this is that might be in the draft cycle.

It's a barb.

Yeah.

We're everyone's looking for that next.

Like, how do I make a mock draft,

but just different than the other thousand that came out this morning?

I like an all trades mock.

But I do think it was Jordan Schultz on Twitter who was like,

I think there could be a lot of trades or I'm hearing there could be some trades

in the first half like edge or corner.

We'll see.

I think everyone says that every year that there's going to be a ton of trades.

There's only really one quarterback that a lot of teams are,

every team is kind of an avarant with the Fernando Mendoza.

We'll see where Simpson goes.

But I don't know.

I'll be interesting to see who trades up in this class, right?

Because there's only so many blue chippers.

Everyone's talked about how this class really isn't that good,

not good to compare to last year's, definitely not good compared to next year.

So maybe there are trades, but I can also see team staying put

knowing that it's kind of an average crop of guys

after you get through the blue chips.

We're almost to my favorite point in draft coverage,

which is GMX is fielding calls or working the phones

about a possible trade in the first round.

I mean, you could literally just put that out for every GM in the entire first round.

And you're probably going to be right.

That is sort of their jobs is to you don't be working the phones a little bit.

All right, Austin, you mentioned it.

This is a weird draft because there's one quarterback who we know is going to get

taken in the first round and we know he's going to get taken first overall

until unless something totally wild happens.

But we are not expecting that.

So the draft really starts at number two.

And I'm going right there with the first fake trade.

I mean, you know, you had the jets for a while.

It was like, our bell reads, that's the guy.

And now you're reading the reporting a little bit.

And it's like, I don't know about our bell reads.

Is he more of an off-ball linebacker than an edge?

Are the jets sold on his past rushability?

If not, would they go ahead and take David Bailey?

Well, maybe they make a trade here.

Austin and the jets say, you know what?

We've been stockpiling picks for this year and for next year.

Everyone knows we're looking ahead to 2027.

We don't really have a different grade on some of the top five players in this draft.

Does anyone want to come up and take a player?

And the Tennessee Titans give him a call.

Austin here, you know, they're on the clock.

And the Titans say, we want to move up to two because we love David Bailey.

We know he might not totally fit whatever scheme you're going to be running

with Aaron Glenn.

But in terms of Robert, Salah, pin your ears back and go get after the quarterback,

which is what we're trying to do team him up with Jeffrey Simmons there.

This is our type of player.

And so here's what we're going to do.

We want to move up to number two and the jets say, okay, we, wow,

we thought you might be interested in a running back.

You're on my love.

And you know what Titans GM Mike Borgonzi says, he says, well,

you actually have a running back that you're having a bit of a contract issue

with in Breeze Hall, Austin, where you've branchized, tagged him.

But you haven't been able to come to a long-term arrangement.

So they're working the, they're thinking about, how can we make this work?

And here's where it ends up being the jets trade number two and Breeze Hall to the Titans

for number four, a 2027 first and a fourth round pick.

So this is not that different from remember that Travis Hunter trade last year.

Jaguar has moved up to get Travis Hunter.

That was actually for more than this because I feel like Travis Hunter was

in a different class of prospect than a guy like David Bailey is.

So I'm actually making the Titans give up way less, not way less,

but less than the Jaguars gave up in that trade.

So what do you think who says note of that went jets trade number two and Breeze Hall

for number four, a 2027 first and a fourth round pick?

I mean, I absolutely despise it for the Titans.

That's like horrible.

I, I, I, I, you're, the Titans 2027 first could be another top five pick.

Like I, I think you're getting to give up a 2027 first to go get David Bailey

who might not even be the third best adresser in this class when it's all said done.

Like no one knows where these guys are going to end up.

I think our people think our bell Reese is better.

People really like obviously Ruben Bain out of Miami.

You could see I've seen people hyping up his teammate, Romela Hyte.

Like I think going up for David Bailey to get Breeze Hall and giving up a 2027 first

return is just like malpractice for the Titans.

Now I think if it's the jets, kind of a slam dunk, you're getting,

because they're going to have to pay Breeze Hall.

So you're getting Breeze.

You're going to have to pay him top tier running back money because you just traded

essentially a 2027 first for him.

And then you're getting just like, I don't think David, I don't think a lot of the prospects

in this class are like sure fire guys.

I think our bell Reese isn't sure fire because you don't know.

It's like the league is split on even what position he'll play.

Ruben Bain obviously has the outlier on length.

I think with Bailey, like people are still wanting to see another year of production.

I don't know.

I worry about this trade for the Titans and I think it would be kind of a disaster class

for them.

I'm really glad to hear that.

I'm realizing the challenge we're going to have with this exercise is that you are,

you and I are probably aligned in that we would almost never make a trade like the Jaguars

made last year for Travis.

Can we talk about that one?

Did you see that like now they're removing him to like full time corner.

Like they thought they were getting two players.

Like you can, I think one of the things with the draft, I got like my draft rules is

like, don't be overconfident in your own evaluation.

This would be to me and over like the Titans being way overconfident on who they think

David Bailey is going to be and overconfident on the kind of production they're going to get

from Breeze Hall on this.

Like I think that again, I think this is like a sign of overconfident that just doesn't

actually work out.

When you go back to the Jags trade last year and their young GM Gladstone being like,

we're getting two players.

We're getting the show.

Hey, I was honny of the NFL like, definitionally overconfidence and now that you kind of see

where that's airing out.

When you think about the sport of football, Austin, you think about limitations.

You're later James.

I don't know man.

You gave me a lot from I was looking at that trade today.

I was like, holy cow.

I know I was critical of it.

I don't think I would fart a bake.

They went from five to two and they gave up the 36th overall pick and then a 2027 first.

So that trade I just gave you.

I didn't even include the second round.

I was like, no way.

That would be way too crazy.

And I tried to get there.

But yeah, you and I are never probably going to be like, oh, yeah.

The team should give up a future first for a non quarterback.

So we have to suspend our beliefs there a little bit.

Get in the heads as some of these GMs and say, all right, well, would they do it?

So the thought process from the Titans would be, Borgansi is feeling the heat.

He's feeling the pressure to win games this year.

He's getting his new coach of pass, Russia.

I'm probably with you.

I don't think the Titans actually do that.

He could stay put and get his coach of pass, Russia.

He could stay put and get sunny styles.

Like I think that's true.

But the Titans want to give Sala another defensive player.

Like I think they're going to have their pick of a lot of really talented guys, even Bailey

could fall to four, right?

And I think some of the stuff where like I think there's been reports that a lot of people

in the Jets building really like David Bailey.

I'm not fully buying that.

And I think if there are reservations, we've talked about this on this pod before, trusting

Aaron Glenn to figure out a prospect that no one really can decide on what position he

plays, scares me because I don't think he's long term for New York.

And what about what he's done in New York has shown you any confidence that he can solve

that problem, right?

So I think if there are concerns, maybe that's there, but I don't know.

I think it's a little rich.

Now if the Jets did come down to four and they still get a defensive player, like a lot,

that would work out, I think very well for New York.

I think Jets fans would be jumping up and down on draft night.

I'm glad you mentioned the Aaron Glenn thing.

Can we get something straight here?

Like I'm hearing and reading a lot of car like Aaron Glenn is switching defenses and Aaron

Glenn wants.

They're not picking play a player that's to fit Aaron Glenn.

They ain't no, I'm not.

It's so divided there and not like divided in a, you know, it's very clear that the GM

is making move for 2027 and he's got ownership here and Aaron Glenn, they're like, all right,

so you know, we'll see what you can do, but you might not be here by Thanksgiving.

So I don't think the dared mousi is going to take big this pick right?

All right, let me make sure I get someone who fits Aaron Glenn scheme.

Like that will not be a factor into the equation.

They're like, who is the best player we can get for 2027 and beyond?

So yeah, anytime you see anything that's like Aaron Glenn's preference is, I don't think

they care what Aaron Glenn wants in this pick.

Not trying to be harsh there, but I think that's their reality there with the jets.

I will say this.

I mean, I think they're in a good spot to trade, if they're able to trade down, I think

it would make sense because when you look at it for the jets right now, they've got four

top 50 picks in this draft and they've got three first round picks in next year's draft,

like in terms of a model for, hey, blow it up and do a complete rebuild, these are the

resources and it doesn't mean it's going to work out.

I know if you're a jets fanlisting, you're like, please, we've been through this before

I get it.

But in terms of having those resources to at least have a chance to rebuild, they're actually

in a nice spot to do that.

And I think maybe they could add to that if they can find someone to trade up.

But I'm probably with you that the Titans don't make a deal like that here.

All right, that was the first one.

Yeah, I definitely don't think that they're making picks with kind of Aaron Glenn in

mind.

I think some of it is like kind of like make sure he doesn't like make this player worse.

Now, I think there is maybe part of this conversation with Bailey versus Reese is like,

is Bailey a 2026 decision, whereas Reese is more of a 2027 decision.

And if there are quote unquote people in the jets building that want Bailey, maybe that's

kind of Glenn's camp saying like, we want a guy that we know what position is going to

play right away and like help this defense quicker.

Yeah, same as the GM and other, yeah, GM and others are like, we're not really

thinking that way.

We're thinking about 2027 and they're right, rightfully so.

All right, Austin was a yes for the jets and a no for the Titans on that one.

Our trade number two Austin.

We get to the sixth overall pick.

The Cleveland Browns are a carnell tapes on the board.

But Andrew Barry gets a call from Mickey, Loomis and Miss Saints at number eight.

And Mickey says, Andrew, you know, I'm always up for trading up.

You know, I'm always up for trading up for an Ohio State player.

We want to move up two spots.

We're going to give you 42.

So their second round pick.

And we're going to give you Spencer Ratler, you know, because you're just the Cleveland,

you're just throwing darts at quarterbacks left.

Is it just another dart throw?

We're not telling you he's Joe Montana, but you know what?

You want someone who's just another guy in that quarterback room and maybe he can give

you something there.

We will give you that.

So Saints move up two spots from eight to six.

They include 42 overall, which is their second round pick and Spencer Ratler to the Cleveland

Browns Austin.

Come on.

This is a winner.

I'll let this one pass because my nickname for that man in the general manager of the

Saints is bad man Mickey because when he likes this guy, he goes up and gets this guy.

He's a trade up fiend.

And I think the Browns obviously analytically minded an opportunity to trade back out of quarterback

and a top 50 pick just two spots when I think they're deciding between a handful of offensive

linemen in the spot that could be looking at receiver.

I think it makes sense for the Cleveland, especially in like, would I make it if I were

the same GM?

No, but would Mickey make it probably?

And I think a lot of people are starting to get this feel that like, Tate, even though

they've been bucketed in this draft class is like kind of that top three with Tyson,

McIleman, and then Tate.

I think the more I've talked these guys out and like looked at the tape and looked at

what other people are feeling, I do think there might be a least like,

some distance between what Tate is as a prospect versus lemon and Tyson, Tyson for a lot

of the injury stuff.

I don't know like the softness is like interesting speculation with lemon.

It's like a size thing and you're trying to figure out like the interview stuff like

with Tate, I do feel there is some of that gap, right?

So maybe a team, if there is a team training up for receiver, I feel a lot more confident

training up for a guy like Tate than, you know, being overconfident in my Tyson evaluation

or lemon or whatever it is, depending on where they fall.

Yeah, I am interested to see how early Tate goes because you can really make a case for

him with a bunch of these teams picking in the top 10.

You mentioned it with Mickey Loomiss and you know, Tate seems like a saintly type player.

Maybe they're looking at it saying we're eight, but the commanders are at seven with the

commanders take car and I'll take at number seven.

I think that certainly would be an option there.

And then from the Browns perspective, you know, like I said with Ratler, I will say this,

looking at just the numbers with Ratler versus Tyler Schuh.

I don't know if you've done this exercise or not Austin, but it's kind of wild.

They are talked about very differently.

EPA per play, Ratler was 29th last year.

Schuh was 27 and Ratler was significantly better in success rate last year.

Yet Ratler's kind of looked like looked at like a bum and I don't say they got Schuh.

They hit on their quarterback.

They're good to go going forward.

I don't know if you had a TV.

If you've grinded some saints quarterback film this offseason, you may have had better

things to do, but that was something just as I was doing that trade where I was like,

you know what?

Ratler certainly, if nothing else, can be like a decent backup for you.

And it'd be us to start for like three weeks.

Yeah.

It's not going to be the worst quarterback in the NFL.

You can function.

No, no, I'm not, I'm not selling my Spencer Ratler stock.

If anything, I'm.

You have some.

I'm a proud member of the rat pack.

Oh, no, I'm a big fan of the rat in general.

He was a fan of the rat in general.

Yeah.

Spencer Ratler when against James Winston, like that's the football I root for.

But I mean, I do think that there's still enough with what we saw in New Orleans that,

like he's worth the flyer, like kind of what you're saying.

And even if it's like competing for a backup job or he's one of these guys that we're talking

about when like, oh my gosh, like eight starting quarterbacks have gone down by week 10.

Like I think he's one of these guys that should be getting reps and going to, I think

another place now that like everyone in New Orleans is believing in shock.

And I think some of that too is like we drafted this guy.

We thought he could be something.

We've seen it early.

And now the people responsible for bringing him in are I think are very excited by the

prospect of him and what he can do doing for him with Ratler.

It's kind of like that, that meme where you're kind of dropping Woody on the ground.

Like I'm kind of done with this.

I think other people will be willing to pick up pick up Ratler, whether it's like Rams,

I think Packer.

I mean, there's a handful of teams where I'm like, okay, better coach or a different coach.

I can see him being in a situation and actually getting better.

There you go.

And shock you have a lava.

You have to tape offensive line isn't bad.

You know, you can tell you you added ETN in the offseason.

You got color boychan.

It's a chance.

I'm just crazy that we're going to go from ETN.

I like it.

I like it too.

There you go.

All right.

So same spans.

I think would be excited about that if you were able to get car and L. Tate here.

All right.

Next one I got here.

We are going to the seven overall pick.

Wow.

That report you read about a lot of trades in the first round Austin.

It was.

You're making it happen.

Yeah.

It is actually happening here because it's the seventh pick and the commanders are up here

and the commanders come into this draft with just one top 50 pick with two picks in the

top 100.

So Adam Peters.

They're looking at this going man.

Can we get some more draft capital here because we kind of tried to go a little bit

all inish with Jaden Daniels in his second season.

That didn't work out and now we realize we got to build the roster up a little bit.

And Ruben Bane Jr. is still on the board.

So he doesn't go top five.

He's still available at seven and the Kansas City chiefs come a calling to Adam Peters

and the Washington commanders and they say, Hey, we want to move up from nine to seven.

We need to improve our past rush.

Ruben Bane Jr.

The comps you see with Ruben Bane Jr.

Brandon Graham.

I think our friend Nate Tyson Trent and Cole.

Those are two players that Andy redrafted in Philadelphia.

They said, we want to get Ruben Bane Jr.

To add to our past rush with Chris Jones and George Carloft is we will give you the

40th overall pick.

So our second round pick.

So we were trying to move up two spots nine to seven.

You get the ninth overall pick.

You add the 40th overall pick.

We move up to seven and we take Ruben Bane Jr.

Awesome.

Come on.

Good one.

What do you think?

I don't think I'm doing it if I'm Casey.

I think I like the banjoan year or it's too much to give.

I like paying a lot.

I think I like paying a lot.

The way he gets a BSBN recently reported that there's a chance he falls out of the second

half of the first round with teams kind of having different opinions on the outlier.

I like him too.

I like him a lot.

I think he has like a higher floor than even like the outlier arm length gives.

I think he can play inside outside.

I think he's just like a he just like when he just plays the game as I want to play the

game where you just like never take a snap off.

You're just going going going.

But I don't know like moving up two spots, giving up 40 when this is this is going to be

a hard cap situation in Casey for a while now with like all the money that they have invested

in homes, but also like they brought Kelsey back in, they have, I feel like their cap

situation is a bigger priority than kind of moving up to spots to kind of bring in this

guy, whereas I think if they stay put at nine, I think they could have a chance at Bain

there. I think they could have a chance at Mansour Delay and the corner from LSU, Caleb

Downes and Safety from Ohio State. I think again, like it comes back to the top where

it's like, oh, people are expecting trades in the first half. These like blue chip prospects

that we're chasing, there is like this similar tier of player. And when you have these teams

making up small moves like from five to two or six to eight or whatever it is, I think that

oftentimes I'm deciding on the side of, you know, kind of like, hey, probably stay put. If

you're taking a defensive player after Arval Ries sunny styles kind of, it's like okay to stay put

and just kind of take the guy you really like in that spot. All right. So Austin says chiefs,

stay patient on the chiefs. Do you have the two first round picks? It doesn't mean you just,

they don't throw away your other drafts or capital, but they are kind of in position here that if

they wanted to be aggressive, they could be aggressive. They've still got that other first round

or you end up with Ruben Bain here and then maybe you get a wide receiver with your second pick

in the first round. That could be a nice hall there for the chiefs. But Bain is certainly a player

that if what, you know, some of the reports you're alluding to are true if he starts to slip a little

bit. I do think there will be teams that are like, no, we like this guy and we didn't think he was

going to be available when we picked, but let's go ahead and maybe it doesn't take as much because

that's the thing. When you look at like first round trade value and you know, I try to go back to

the last three years and be like, well, this is what this team gave us. It's just, it changes

year to year. It really changes on who's the quarterback you're trading, you know, are you

trading for a quarterback? Who's the prospect you're trading for? Because sometimes the team will be

like, all right, we'll take a little bit less because this is the best offer possible. And we are

realistic about it. We don't just have to stick to this chart or stick to precedent here. So that

could be something to keep an eye on here where maybe the cost to trade up in this draft is not as high

as it has been in previous drafts just because of what you're saying about kind of the caliber of

prospects that might be available here. And the questions about them in the first round. All right,

Kansas City cheese. Very interesting team to keep an eye on with those two first round picks,

a Patrick Mahomes team with two first round picks, including a top 10 one. Man, they've got a nail

this draft for sure. This could be a draft where if they're winning super bowls in three years,

we're all looking at it going, oh, man, that 2026 draft, we had three picks in the top 40. They nailed

that. And that was really kind of the building blocks for what they're doing here. All right.

I mean, even if they hit two of those three, right, which is why I think part of the reason why

I kind of want to keep that other top 40 pick, you hit two of the three and you get another

McDuffie Calibre. That's kind of like the peak outcome. But like another McDuffie Calibre player

on a rookie contract that becomes an asset for you to trade if you get to that place. But also just

someone who's like providing more value than their contract, which they desperately need. That's kind

of where I think they have to look at with this draft. Like let's go get guys that can win right now,

play right now. And kind of like I think over, you know, kind of just like overplay their value on

these contracts because they need young, cheap players. It's going to be, you know, with these teams

that like over invest, but invests on a capital in quarterback, you're going to need obviously like

cheap players on these rookie deals. And it's a big reason why I think I think we always like with

these with these with the Super Bowl era for the chiefs. Like obviously my home is like the first

second, third, fourth, fifth thing people bring up. But you think about how they've drafted and just

the value that they've gotten on rookie contract players in that time. I think it's a big reason why

too that chiefs dynasty like for many dynasty, whatever it is, like actually propel through. It's like

they were hitting on a lot of picks, specifically on defense and getting value over over what they

were spending in a big way. See, I'm split on that because it's all so hard for me to say, well,

were they hitting on picks or did they have specific coaches who were getting stuff out of guys?

Now obviously it's going to be a little bit of a pull. But you know, like, I think that's still

hitting on though. Like you do. It's very, very neat in the fourth round. And your defensive

coordinator knows how to turn them into like, like that's it. Like that's that's a hit, right? Same

with like the Brian Cook, Trent McDuffy, Core Loftus arguably a, Chris Jones has been a massive bit

for them. I think Drew Trankwell was a hit for the, they figured, I don't think they drafted him.

But like, I think they figured out how to, I think Spagnol has specifically

figured out how to maximize a lot of that defensive talent where they need help. I think it's

offense, right? It's like the guys that they've got like Clyde Edwards-Selair. I don't think

they're getting what they expected out of Xavier worthy. Like they need to hit on some offensive

skill player picks to, to, to, I think really take this to the next level because you're running out.

Now, no Tyree Kill, no Travis Kelsey soon. He's going to need some more weapons.

All right. Let's take a break. We come back more trades. I may have some play, maybe at least one

player trade mixed in here. Is there going to be a Thai Simpson trade in this fake trade exercise?

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Hard to get to when we come back. All right, we are back here on the Ring or NFL show. Now,

this one might be the most unlikely to happen because it involves the team that you're wearing

their hat right now, the Cincinnati Bengals. They kind of don't make trades. I was reading the story.

In the athletic, it was like, what did it say here? They've made one trade during the draft in

the last three years and zero trades in the last two years, not even a sixth round pick swap

or anything like that. This is not a team that makes a lot of trades during the draft,

but this is a podcast. We're allowed to say that the Bengals are going to make a trade here.

Maybe the most obvious pairing the one you see everywhere, Austin is Bengals at number 10,

Caleb Downs. Safety makes all the sense in the world. But what if Jerry Jones comes a call and

says, you know what? We have two first round picks, 12 and 20. We have where I'm looking at our

draft board. We have Caleb Downs as the last player in this top tier of guy we believe it can be like

a multi time all pro. And so we want to make a deal with you Cincinnati. We will give you 12

and 20, both our first round picks for 10 and 41. So you're moving down two spots in the first

round, but then you're moving up 21 spots from 41 to 20 because that's how much conviction we have

in Caleb Downs. That's the player we want because we feel like, you know what? We're going to be

a pretty good football team this year with our offense set up the way it is. Our new defensive

coordinator, we just are like two different makers away on defense. And we feel so strongly

that Caleb Downs is one of those players. What do you think, Austin? I think I really like it for

the Bengals. I think coming down and getting another first round pick and moving that much, you know,

that further up into the second round. But I guess though, but passing up on Downs and then I'm

trying to think of who they get at 12 and 20. Oh, let me see. I feel like there's an over this.

So I who here so I had been taking. I don't know if you love either of these players, but

Kendrick Falk at 12 and then they can have their choice of kind of a defensive back at 20. I

went with Avion Terrell, but if they want, you know, one of the safety from Toledo,

McLeod, a manual McLeod Warren, if they want him, if they want someone else or another cornerback

that they like. So I have them getting a D line men and a corner instead of Caleb Downs.

Yeah, I mean, if they get a manual McLeod Warren, the Toledo safety at 20 or McLeod,

yeah, at 20 and then at 12, they're able to get like a Kendrick fall. I think I like it. And I

think that's I think they need volume on defense and Cincinnati more than they kind of need one

star player. And for Dallas, I like the the overconfidence of Jerry and him coming up. I think I

can get by this. I like I'd have to see how it works out in the in the draft value tracker. Like

how much value are they giving up versus getting a return kind of going down those 20 spots. But if

it lines up, I think I can start to get on board. See, I feel like I did that one. And then I'm like,

I wonder if I'm the Bengals, if I would just be like, I'd rather had just have just have down.

Yeah. And their next pick would be at 41 and maybe they're getting, yeah, you know, just like not

that caliber of defensive back. Yeah. That's kind of where I landed with that. Now again,

to your I have the same role you do that I don't want to be overconfident at all. And no,

I know Caleb Downs is going to be amazing. But I do think most teams would have been projected

on a different tier than maybe the other players who might be available. So let's say maybe the

Bengals, maybe we called it, you know, everyone said they never make a trade. They don't trade.

But this is the year. They say we've heard those narratives. And when Jerry calls, we listen.

Certainly the Cowboys are an interesting, you know, one of the most interesting teams in the first

round because even if they stay put and just take like two defensive players, we might be looking

at them differently. They have the ammo to move up if they move up. And now they get a stud. And we're

like, wow, that's get guys going to really make a difference in the first round. They have that

optionality where it's going to be really interesting to see what they do. And it could impact

sort of how we view them going into 2026 here. Austin are this next one. I already know you're

not going to like it. But you know what? I'm going with because I know this is another trade out.

And this is the Philadelphia Eagles for most people would say the Eagles are a sharp organization.

You know, they're a model franchise. And for the draft, if you're analytically sound,

you never trade up. Guess what team trades up or tries to trade up pretty much every single year?

It's the Eagles. It's how we wrote them. And even last year for Jihad Campbell, if you remember the

reporting, they were trying to trade up with the chargers to get Jihad Campbell and off-ball linebacker.

They end up not having to do that. And then they just make a small trade up there in the first round

in Landham. But if you look at all these, you know, Jordan Davis, Jill and Carter,

they're trading up almost every single year in the first round. Devante Smith were trying to. So

Kenyans to Deek Austin, he starts falling a little bit. And he's available at 17. The

disjoint lions are on the board. And the Eagles are saying, you know what? The Vikings are up next.

We could kind of see Kevin O'Connor being like, oh, man, the things I can do with Kenyans to Deek

and the Eagles are looking at it going, we have Dallas got it on a one-year deal. We don't have a

plan for tight end here going forward. We have to Deek ranked really highly. What would we have to

give up? And they go back and they look at the different trays of the previous years. And they

look at 2024. The Vikings moved up for Dallas Turner and identical MOVA 23 to 17. So we're going to

do similar compensation here. Eagles are going to give up a third round pick, 68 overall. And then

they're going to give up a fourth next year. And they're going to say we want Kenyans to Deek to be

one of our major weapons on offense. We might trade AJ Brown and June. We need to build those top three

pass catchers that every offense needs to have. And we believe Sedique can be that guy. What do you

think? So they only give up a third and a fourth to go up about six spots and they get sedate.

Yes. So the Vikings, when they did this, I believe they gave up. I believe it was a third

and another third, but their third was not, I think it was a different not year. It wasn't as high

as 68 for the Eagles. So yeah, it ends up being a similar comp to what the Vikings did in 2024

in that Dallas Turner trade. I think I'm just not maybe the compensation is fine. I'm just like

not there with Sedique, especially if like I'm now thinking about him as I'm giving up three picks

to go get Sedique, who honestly, if like, gun to my head, when is Sedique going to be at his best

on his second contract or on his first? I every day of the week, I'm saying his second contract.

He feels like the prototypical tight end that everyone can buy into because of all the traits

of the tools. He didn't have the production college. He didn't command targets in college yet,

but man, what this player could be. He's young. He screams to me like exactly the kind of player

where his rookie contract is a little bit of a disappointment. And then he starts to hit his,

maybe not his athletic prime, but his NFL caliber prime on that second contract. I'm like Evan

Ingram, I don't know. I think trading future capital or any kind of draft capital to go up and

get Sedique kind of scares me. When I think that the Eagles would be smarter, trading up for one of

the receivers if they fall to the spot or kind of even staying put looking at trenches, looking at

edge, looking at the secondary. I don't know. I don't think I don't think Sedique's the kind of guy

that I'm ultimately just giving up that kind of capital for. See, when you do this exercise and you try

to map out the trade ups, I end up being with you. I'm like, I wouldn't do this if I were trading up,

but then you look at previous drafts and you're like, well, this is what the teams did. So like,

I was terrible. The Viky Trigger for Dallas Turner was a disaster. Now, I'm trying to go for

Gillen Wanker on the tune. It was terrible. Brown's trade. I mean, the Jags trading up for Hunter was

terror. Brian Thomas Jr., they're trying to get out of that Brian Thomas Jr. thing now.

I think that oftentimes when you do trade up for players, you miss and you end up missing.

It's not just about missing on the player. It's like you miss on that capital that never was that

player. I don't know. I don't think it's as simple as any more of trading up for a not quarterback.

I think it's like the confidence in your projections apiece, the player in the position of value is a

part of it. And then also like, obviously, it's like, does he come in and immediately fill this

need? Is he coming in on a rookie contract and being that player? I would still expect Dallas

Goddard, kind of right away to have more targets than Cedique in your one or something. You're kind

of roping in, hoping by year two, year three, you're starting to get. So I don't know. I think it's

it's tough for a Cedique type of player who I feel like is still like, I think a lot of people call

him a project. Titan has been tricky because for years there, I was just pointing to Titan's

taken in the first round and specifically the top 10. And I'm just like, this is a disaster.

Like you, it's not working. And then you had the Brock Bauer thing. And then you had Colston

Loveland last year. And you were like, Oh, Tyler Warren, you're like, maybe this is changing a

little bit. But is that a small sample? Are those guys outliers? Are they in a different class of

prospect? Cedique? All those things are entirely possible. And so maybe you're right about that.

That it would be wise to be a little bit hesitant there with the Titan. I was just trying to figure

out who, you know, who are the Eagles going to try to trade up for? And I was like, huh,

this point in the draft, but maybe it's a receiver. Like you said, maybe we're not thinking about

that. But maybe there's a receiver they have in a different tier than the guys that would be

available to them at 23. Maybe it is someone like Jordan Tyson. And they say, we're confident

in the in the medicals here. They've gone after guys in recent years who have had, you know,

medical issues and other teams take them off their board. Even with you, how to Campbell last

year. And they're like, no, we're confident this guy's going to be good. So maybe it's another

player I'm not thinking about. Also playing with kind of a long leash, right? Like they have,

how he's got mistakes to burn, you know, in terms of anyone starting to kind of question things.

It just happened while we started recording, but the Eagles traded for, not TV on Wix. And

right, well, we're on the Eagles. Really? Okay. Yeah, where everyone's talking about is AJ Brown going

to get traded and we're talking about draft day trades. A lot of the reporting has been that he's

going to get traded after June for, because there's some dead money that hits or whatever.

Do you think he gets traded on draft night? I think that the, and this is what a lot of people

are reporting as well as that the Eagles are kind of operating as the P's already not on the team.

And I think this Wix trade is a piece of that. They sign Hollywood Brown. Do you think he gets

traded on draft night? And I guess what are the odds of that? And then do you think he holds

him? He gets traded after June first before the season? I think he gets traded in June. Yeah,

I would say, and this isn't like, I don't know this, but I would say if I had to guess that they

have parameters in place, probably with the Patriots. Maybe there's a mystery team we don't know about.

But part of like GMing is like, you're trust with other GMs and other teams in the NFL and how

your Roseman's been around so long that I feel like they can have that conversation. And hey,

we know it's not 100% but barring something crazy like Devonte Smith having an injury in the

off season or, you know, one of these great wide receivers unexpectedly falling to you.

The Patriots at 31 were both on on the same page that here are the trade terms.

We'll wait until June to execute it. We both won't, we'll, you know, leak it to the media because we

know you're not allowed to project June first trades into the future. You can't be like,

all right, this has been agreed to, but we're going to execute it on June first. You're not allowed

to do that. So I think they're just keeping it quiet and saying June first, this will happen.

Maybe I'll be wrong, but I'm still operating under the idea that AJ Brown, I'll believe it when I see

that he, you know, is in Eagles just playing for the Eagles in week one. Yeah, yeah. I think I'm

with you. I think I'm like 90 plus percent sure he's on another team. I think the Patriots being

that likely one. Can I throw a couple trades at you? What did the Eagles give up for Wix first?

Is that I don't know. I haven't seen the okay. He's getting a one year, $12.5 million

extension. I can't imagine the capital is significant. It's going to be some day three swap stuff.

Probably really getting a $12.5 million extension done, Tavy and Wix. Okay. That's interesting.

46. He's I liked Wix coming out of Virginia or on the draft. I like to I think he's a separator.

I think the problem has been his hands like and I think that's a lot of the frustration with

Packers fans when you bring up Wix. He has really inconsistent drop issues and that that

plague guys that just like constantly get open. But that can be like a real bad Achilles silver

hat. Even if you do get constantly open, but I don't know. $12.5 million. I'm wondering what the

conversation is. I don't think it's going to be significant. And if there or if the Eagles are

already kind of preparing for life without AJ Brown, I like this idea of taking a handful of

dark throws. Hollywood Brown, that Tavy on Wix. Maybe you're looking at someone in the draft.

I think that's smart. And they're kind of starting fresh. I don't know. We haven't talked to

Ton about the Jalen Hertz hit piece that came out a couple of weeks ago. But like one of my reads

out of it was I think that the Eagles feel almost more committed to Sean Manion. And what he's

going to kind of bring and change at this offense. And they do necessarily even the Hertz. And I think

giving him a handful of flavors at receiver and not like this diva that's going to command targets

no matter what win or lose. I think probably is the right fit for Manion who is a very green coach

and going to be a brand new play collar kind of getting an opportunity to kind of run at how he

wants with a handful of options and know like real real pressure to focus it to certain guys.

Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, you know, if you come in, Stoutland's gone, no AJ Brown. All right, run the show.

How does it look? Oh, it's a hard thing to do. Yeah, it's hard. But yeah, no, they obviously like

basically their season next year is going to go. However, Sean Manion gets it to go in. And so

the Packers real quick. So they lose dobs. And now they trade wicks here in the off season. So

that's a little bit interesting. They're doing a little reshaping too on the offensive side of the

ball. All right, go ahead. You want to you're you're you're up. You have some fake trades too. I

don't want to monopolize it. So what do you got? Give me give me one to chew on here. Do you want

some more Max Crosby fan fiction or do you want mystery player that I think could get moved that

I want to move? Let's do the Max Crosby one. Then we take a break. We keep the audience on the

edge of their seat. And then we come back and we get to your mystery player. Let's do that.

I think two spots where they're going to be on the clock. And now it's not 10 minutes a pick.

It's eight minutes a pick now. I don't know if you saw that they're going to make this draft

feeling really quick. Danny Kelly just announced I saw that today. Did we know that before? We didn't know

that. I don't know. I don't know if we knew that. But I think it's okay. We might have known that

like we might have started to kind of like yeah, starting to find everything now. I feel for

Danny Kelly are NFL draft analysts who does the draft raids every year getting 10 minutes to write

those down eight minutes. It's going to be it's going to be a high tie for my boy. But I think

there's going to be some teams with those eight minutes that are like, hmm, do you want to take the

player that's fallen to us here? Or do we want to call the Raiders about Max Crossby? And I think

the first spot where I'm feeling that is the at 13 with the Rams. You know, a team that we know

is an F them picks kind of team, right? And I think at 13, if the receiver they wanted isn't there

and they couldn't get a trade up done to go get Tate or go get whoever. And they're sitting there

and the Raiders who just traded Max Crossby for the 14th overall pick and a 2027 first is the Rams.

They're at 13 maybe offering a 2027 first where there's more confidence probably from the Rams

and the Raiders that that pick is going to be somewhere between like pick 26 and 32 and 2027 because

the Rams are kind of going all in. They just rebuilt secondary. But so you're getting a very probably a

late 2027 first and the 13th overall pick for Max Crossby. Part of me feels like that could be in play.

Part of me feels like that's like that first spot. And then this other one I have and I think where

it really heats up is the Lions at 17. And if they weren't able to go get Monroe Freeling or the

tackle they think is going to help solve that offensive line. And they're sitting there and like wait

this did not pan out as we expected. Do they just go get Max Crossby and say hey it's unacceptable

for our defense to be kind of middle of the pack and pressure A we need to be better there. We need

someone to compliment Aiden Hutchinson. I think their projected starter right now is DJ

Wannum opposite of Hutchinson. That's just not going to work. I think at 13 for the Rams 17 for the Lions

that two firsts is going to get brought up again. And maybe it's a conditional first in 2027. But

I think there's going to be teams looking at this draft crowd and saying oh my gosh the guys that

we wanted out there. Do we just call the Raiders about crossby and kind of go throw out those two

firsts again. So you think that the Raiders now the you are a Raiders you actually think that they

can still get two firsts on picks for Max Crossby. I think so. I think that you can. I think that

like that there could be like a conditional first where like he has to have a certain amount of

sacks. But I think a lot of the concern and the Raven said this too is that it's the longevity

of his knee which I think everyone at 2930 years old with multiple knee surgeries. Everyone should

be concerned about the longevity of his knee. But I don't think people are worried about 2026, 2027.

Crossby I don't think even the Ravens were worried about that. So I think it has to be a team that

is saying yo our window is shrinking right with how long is the Jared golf experience going to go. He

turns 32. I think this year in Detroit. They've already now are cycling through offensive play

callers after Ben Johnson left like there's pressure. I think in Detroit to figure out what this

immediate future looks like. And with the Rams we know they're going on in. We know that whoever they

pick at 13 probably isn't going to be as valuable to their team in 2026 then max crossby. And

do they have to give up 2027 capital sure is it matching what the Raiders got sure kind of. But

a late 2027 first and 13 for a player that you know I think right away is going to do what they

need right now which is you got probably one good staffer season left if that I don't know I think

those teams are going to be the kinds of ones that are thinking about it even if you're matching

the price point that Baltimore spent and you should there should be this haircut right but I think

there's different opinions on crossbiz knee and I think the speculation that there's like long term

concerns and stuff I don't know I think a lot of other teams when when the rubber hits the road

and you're looking at this draft flash you're saying what can I do to help the team right now

I think crossby's going to be a name that comes off. A trade with conditions with it makes all

the sense in the world if you're like we're giving up our first this year and then whatever it is maybe

it's a can you do a third that could turn into a second or a first I don't know if you ever see it

probably I think you can do anything I think if Kirk cousins can make all the money he has in the NFL

I think you could do it there's a homework clause and color marries contract in our side I think

I think there's a lot that can be done in those yeah usually you know it's just one round and then

if it meets conditions goes to the next drop but why do we have to stop there maybe it's a third

but it turns into a second if he has 10 sex it turns into a first if he's a first team all pro or

if your team gets to the Super Bowl or whatever or maybe you look down the road and you say if

you're really concerned about his contract we'll take a 2028 pick you know maybe you do that

you say to have a 2028 second that turns into a first if one of these things happens over the next

two years with Max Crosby you could do that as well so I do think there's a way to get creative

with Crosby and especially as going through this exercise and looking at the prospects available

I couldn't help but just get into like if I'm this team I would rather just make a big play for Max

Crosby you know pick one of these players and I know that's not always the smart thing to do

but it feels like maybe there's an opportunity there and when you mentioned the Rams he really

that fit I hadn't thought of but that has afforded what I really have a force multiplier effect I

think on that because that is a talented defensive front there are games where you're like well they're

not exactly taking over the game but I like all these players but now you had Crosby and now you've

got all the other guys you've got first and you've got young and you've got Turner and you've got

fists now it's like oh my gosh this could be actually be you know a top three defensive line in the

NFL you already addressed quarterback this off season so yeah Rams could give new meaning to

their after and pick thing if not only do they make the McDuffy trade if now they make a Crosby

trade as well there so I like that one a lot all right we'll take a break we come back the mystery

player they Austin tease and I've got I've got a player trade here which might be my favorite

of all the projected trades I've given you Austin so we'll do all that when we come back

all right we're back here on the ringer NFL charred Austin who is the who is this mystery player

now it was to be really funny if it was like a player the level of done Tavy and Wix after I just

built it on no no and made people know okay it's a little bit bigger all right go ahead I did

initially include Anthony Richardson Jr. to the Packers but then I reread your slack saying just

first round stuff and that would be like a six and seven rounds swap I do think Anthony Richardson

to the Packers and like what what LaFlure was able to do with three Malik Willis starts and turn

him into whatever the Dolphins paid him I imagine three starts with Anthony Richardson what

look at possible have their cannon arm really fast with athletic or something there but the real

player that I think could move first round capital potentially is Devon HN the Miami Dolphins running

back where I know he's like believe what the dolphins are saying about him no I do foundation

piece oh you do okay I do because you know how you really rack up trade value is you tell people

that you're not trading him and that he's a foundational piece that's what the Raiders did the entire

Max Crosby everyone but he's gonna get traded when they asked by ticket the at the combine is

he gonna be a Raider in 2026 he's like yeah he is it's like okay well you lie right it's like you

just lie straight to them to make sure because if he's like I don't know maybe Devon HN isn't a

piece it's hard to pay running back so that's just what does that do for you yeah just something for you

but I think there's reports now that he's not going to voluntary minicamp or OTA's or whatever it

is and he wants a new contract there's been reporting that he's gonna reset the running back market

if the dolphins pay Malik Willis and then give Devon HN top of the running back market money

while essentially dismantling the rest of the roster they have like over $180 million

dedicated players who aren't on their team they traded away jail and waddle I will be kind of

completely dumbfounded by what they're doing I don't I would not understand the Malik Willis

contract I would not understand the Devon HN contract if it does happen so I do think they should

be shopping him and committing publicly that he's a foundational piece but also taking calls and

one team that I like I think this would maybe be stupid by them because I don't think they have

an offensive line ready for it but I think they need more fireworks the Houston Texans who are picking

28 in the first round and they're sitting there at 28 they're looking for a weapon maybe they want

to add along the offensive line and I think there could be some tackles there or even like a manual

pregnant organ where it makes sense but do they just get flashy do they get sexy and they say we're

gonna go get Devon HN yes they brought in David Montgomery but an HN Montgomery combination right

where we're gonna need to figure out the offensive line as we go does just giving up 28th overall

for HN move you and who says no to remind you the last big running back trade that we've really

had was the McCaffrey one who's only 26 years old on a four year 64 million dollar deal and they

I think the Niners gave up a second third fifth and fourth yeah but he injured a bunch yeah yes

yes and he's about to forget now he was an unknown at that time it was like we don't know for

ever gonna see you know the same guy again of course we did but wow so this would be different right

Michelle McCoy was 26 years old when they got traded straight up for key co-alonzo and then the

McCaffrey was at the 2345 HN who is 24 years old is gonna require this big payday coming off just his

first thousand yard season he's he's a 190 pounds he's five foot eight I don't know like it maybe

maybe 28th overall does get it done or that can even could be too rich a first round pick for

running back in the year 2026 Austin I mean that would be maybe it's a back hole well no no because

as you were describing it like it's not like the craziest thing for the Texans to do now I wouldn't

do it if I were the Texans I'm just not giving up a first round pick for running back why then

have to pay at the top of the market I would not want to get in that business but I don't know that

they would feel the same way if I'm the dolphins I'm doing it if I can get a first round pick for

them I very fun player great player to watch was terrific last year over 1800 yards from scrimmage

as a home run thread anytime you touch as the ball I love watching him play but you are right that if

you're blowing it up with jail and waddle and you're just you're kind of in that Jets mode a little

bit of just like we are resetting this entire thing I mean they've got 11 picks in this track

now three are in the top 50 they've got seven picks in the top 100 which I believe it is the most

of any team so if you're just like let's take is many dark throws as we can premium positions let's

rebuild this thing all right maybe we don't have the quarterback maybe we do we're taking a flyer

on him for two years but let's at least build up the rest of the roster with good young players so

that two years from now if it's not Malik Willis now we can be in the market for a good veteran

quarterback and maybe we actually have a good team so I do like that one I would do it if I were

the dolphins I would not do it if I were the Texans but I don't think you're crazy to propose it I

like it because it's not a name we've talked about because I was falling for John Eric Sullivan

just telling me that you can't trade to on H&M come on yeah crazy but the best players

are the leader the guys you should not trade but they end up kind of needing to I think I just think

it's it's hard to look at their cap situation and then you know if H&M is holding out right now

and they do come to a contract agreement for the season yeah this is going to be a team that is

paying Malik Willis you know over 20 million dollars per year and then also traded away Jaylen

Waddle has a 180 million dollars committed to players that are on the roster oh and they just paid

Dave Devon H&M a record breaking contract a running back no wide receivers no cornerbacks yeah

you know I don't think you'd call him like like a like a no an injury concern he has had injuries

in his career and he's 5 to 890 pounds right like that to me just doesn't feel like you know

that everyone's talking about the packer way in Miami now because they have the the GM and I was

the head coach it I don't think it's going in the right direction to say hey you know what we

are going to commit a shitload of resource to the running back position even though we don't

really feel like we are in a place to be defensively or even just like rosterable yeah yeah but

at this point and where they are as a franchise I don't know that that would make a lot of sense

but we'll see what happens there all right I have two more for you Austin okay sweet I had to

throw a tie Simpson one in there really because I just want your you know your take on the tie Simpson

discourse and whether you think it's reasonable whether you think it's wild whether you think the

draft should just start three three weeks early every season but the team I was looking at and

this has been a popular one is the Arizona Cardinals because you always have to look at the

which GM's trying to save their jobs here is Monti Austin for feeling pressure is he really going

to go into a season where his job might be on the line with Gardner Minshue and Jacobi percent or

is he going to want to show ownership that no we actually do have a plan here at quarterback so I've

got the Cardinals trading back into the first round from 34 to 22 and making a trade with the

Los Angeles Chargers because the Chargers Austin only have five picks in this draft one in the top

50 and so they maybe could use a little more drafts capital and so the Cardinals say we want to move

up from 34 to 22 we're going to do a very similar trade to the Jackson Dart trade from a year ago

we're going to give you a third this year number 65 overall and we're going to give you a 2027

because we want to get back up in the first round ahead of the Cleveland Browns

there because maybe they'd be interested in Ty Simpson and we're going to take Ty Simpson at 22

so Cardinals go from 34 to 22 give up a third this year and a 2027 fourth to the Chargers what do you think?

First of all I think that Ty Simpson is probably worth that right I think that it's been you know a lot

of the conversation about Ty Simpson versus Fernandum and Doza you know and you know Ty Simpson was

the projected no one overall pick the first nine weeks of the season of the second half

Simpson suffered all these injuries has played completely collapsed and Fernandum and Doza rose to

one of the most accomplished calls football seasons in history of the sport and I think that's

where like a lot of this is split but I think a lot of the second half of that season you can kind

of chalk up to injuries and you can buy that self in I think the reason to feel like

Mendosa is the obvious decision at one over Simpson and why Simpson probably isn't worth a top 10 or

top 20 pick potentially is because you have such a small sample size to evaluate what he's done

think about how much our opinions change in the NFL on quarterbacks with darn old and like the

like a college level like it can go from Garrett Nussmeyer's the future no one overall picks like

I don't even know if he's going to be there in round three or round four like he might just be like a

day two day three pick and I think when you were evaluating Simpson yes it is easy to say the first

eight to nine weeks of the season he looked like this but like we've only seen eight to nine weeks

and we know yeah our opinions on quarterbacks can change in two games it can change in a half and

um you just haven't seen a lot from Simpson or enough from Simpson to be really confident at all

in your evaluation of him and I think the other piece of it is he's got you know a little bit he's

like his size is in what you want the arm challenge isn't there like the mobility is good but it's

not great you're not betting on like a big toolsy player going up and going getting him so for me

why I like Simpson and why he probably is worth it is because I think he is really that other

quarterback worth betting on after Mendoza and there is stuff from the first part of that season where

you really want to buy into that hype and if it's only giving up a third and a future fourth I think

that's fine you get the fifth your option which are probably going to need if you're developing him

probably has a backup out of the gate and then getting to see what he is two or three years down the road

so I do think a team does come up for Simpson in the first round if I had to predict what it's going

to happen I think he does some team does come up I don't know necessarily if it's the carnal so right

because you mentioned the GM Monti Austin for is he kind of GMing for his job a trade-off for Simpson I

think is an ownership decision right he's not going to go to ownership like this is our plan I

think it's more of like hey are you guys singing about 2027 and you don't want us to kind of start

spending this capital on the quarterback now and you're fine with Minchumper set or like could we like

maybe he's asked about that but I wouldn't be surprised if ownership is kind of shutting that down

and they're looking at the 2027 class where is like I think other teams that really like Simpson as a

prospect know that he probably needs to be a backup right away whereas Arizona they're going to have

a quarterback competition the whole way through that is where it starts to make more sense for me where

it's like a team like the Rams or whoever already has this capable start that they feel like they're

moving on from maybe it's the Steelers right to go up and get him and then kind of wait on him and

and develop him over time you know it will be one of the biggest stories in the first round especially

because of the conversation around them like you alluded to I'm still sticking to I don't think

anyone takes it in the first round because of the small sample I think you know day two first 10

picks I think that's probably where he ends up going but I could be wrong I was looking at this you

mentioned like you mentioned the Steelers maybe it's a team like the Cardinals whoever maybe

there is a team that will get back in there and try to draft him I'm just not convinced that

that small sample you know that has just been the trickiest thing with quarterback evaluation

is just that's been the one thing to not really get too confident on a very small sample with a

quarterback that is Bern team's time and again so we'll see what happens there but to your point

the Jackson Dark Trade last year that's why you couldn't really rip that because it was like

they're not giving this isn't like giving up three first round picks you know to move up to the

top five for a quarterback like if you're giving up a third round pick or something and it's a quarterback

you like I think you could almost always justify taking that type of flyer because it you know the

upside is so great that if he hits you're gonna be like man that was a fantastic trade and if he

doesn't hit you can kind of live with it so it always is in my opinion he's okay when the risk

isn't that bad for a quarterback like Ty Simpson and I feel like with Jackson Darryr I think it was

like McShay I remember Ty McShay here at the ringer was one of the first people to kind of like I

think he could go in the first round right whereas and that was kind of the conversation about him

as a prospect then he ends up going in the first round we're Simpson the first time weeks of the

season same guy I talk McShay is like this is the best player in the draft this is he's going to go

number one overall and then the injury's happening things fall off and things change so like I think

that the key difference there is like if you're gonna go up and kind of take the flyer on this guy

it's not even that you're like it's just if you flipped Simpson season say he started the year

really hurt didn't look pretty interesting really concerned and then the second half of season he

looks like just a complete they go on a run in the calls for what playoff people are really excited

his best football is played when everyone's watching I think you're talking probably about Simpson

as a top 10 pick it's like a lot of this is like recency bias what is the last thing that you've seen

and like I think if you was ending the season on the high people started to feel like you're starting

like Mr. Biske didn't have a ton of starts Anthony Richardson didn't have a ton of starts but they

finished kind of hot and people were excited and I think the Simpson because it's that flip flop

it's just easier for people to kind of say oh well the last thing I got the it's watching him the last

few weeks of the season wasn't good I also think you know Bama still has very blue blood and when

we think about college football Bama might be even the first school you think of I think not a lot of

people realize how bad their running game was last year like they could not run the football which is

not something you even expect from Alabama like a lot of this was on Simpson to be great and above and

kind of what people expected so I don't know I think Simpson it's like every discussion now it's

gotten too polarizing where it's like he's the best quarterback in the draft or I don't think anyone

should draft them I think it's actually somewhere in the middle where he's probably worth the fifth

your option if you can get the right capital call up and go get him but if you wait till day two like

I think that's okay too but I don't think he should be a guy that's sliding past like pick 40

somewhere between 20 and 40 I would say this probably what he ends up going there all right my last one

might be my favorite one here Austin let's go the Chicago Bears I thought they were going to be a

team you mentioned with Max Prosbee they were not if there is a crossby trade on the table I think

they are a team to keep an eye on but I have them going for another defensive player because they've

got the 25th pick they trade 25 to the Giants for Dexter Lawrence and a fourth pick 105 there so

I said earlier this week I wasn't really buying the Dexter Lawrence trade requests I think he just

wants a new deal I think the Giants will end up giving him a new deal but you never know I'm not

the only some of these drafters I'm not overconfident in my ability to predict what's going to happen

yeah with Dexter Lawrence so the Bears get an impactful disruptive front seven player they pay Dexter

Lawrence he's never great year last year but give me a break he's not like he's 35 he's still

going to be a good player and the Giants say you know what we don't want to pay him that kind of

money let's go ahead and take that 25th overall pick and let's get a player on a rookie contract

Austin what do you think bears trade 25 for Dexter Lawrence and a fourth who says no I think it's

it's it's a shame I don't know if I love Dexter Lawrence by the way I love Dexter Lawrence yeah

I'm a big Dexter Lawrence guy yeah I still like question if he's going to turn 29 this year

he coming off a down year but I think talking to high fits who's like a big Giants fan it sounds

like it was more like effort stuff and something that like isn't like it's not like he's on a decline

so I don't think like you're I'm there yet either and like Max Crossbees 29 trading a first round

pick for him though it feels like a pretty decent investment you are getting the fourth back

I think I'm feeling it out and honestly just turning on more Lawrence tape right I think if I

get this call and I'm Chicago I'm gonna say okay let me actually rewatch the entire 2026 season

Dexter Lawrence tape and figure out where I'm at with him right now and then I feel like come back to

because I don't know I feel like the first initially when I saw me this my best one you can't decide

you gotta go to the tape so there you go I think it is I think it is because like Lawrence when I

initially saw the trade was like okay like day two something right like what did Leonard Williams

get traded for was he like a third round pick or something I was like a second or a third

year and now like maybe Dexter Lawrence is better than that but he's 29 years old he's wanting a new

contract like I think like I start to really feel good about a Dexter Lawrence trade if I know I'm

giving up day two capital first round capital feels like a lot and for a player that is again 29

and maybe he isn't on the client yet but like these things change quickly as soon as you turn 30

things start to sour I don't know I especially like I think as soon as they call me right I'm gonna

say okay thank you let me think about I'm gonna go watch the tape I'm gonna call the Raiders I'm

like okay we're thinking about moving first round pick 25 and they're not the Raiders aren't gonna

give a fourth back and maybe it's not too first but do you start to talk about and say we'll give you

25 and a 2027 second with conditions or a 2027 third and like start to really shop it out because

if you're ultimately gonna move that pick for Lawrence I think even figuring out like AJ Brown like

hey let's start shopping around here if Lawrence is someone we're considering moving for that 25th

overall pick let's see who else is out there is it you know maybe is H&N is it Lawrence some of

these guys I don't know I think it's like it's not one that I'm like immediately saying yes to

but maybe that's a good thing all right I could just picture sometimes we you know we said before

you just picture the guy in the jersey I'm like yeah I could picture just bears fans being out of

their minds oh my god Dexter Lawrence he's amazing out of the Giants trade and he's given full

effort next year they're on a contending team they're going crazy there he's kind of the center

piece of that defensive line of force much player yeah absolutely make everyone else better there

so we'll see again I think probably John Harbush just like I would like to keep our good players

and let's find a way to pay Dexter Lawrence even if it's not exactly what he wants we can find

to compromise there with guaranteed money or whatever I think that's the most likely outcome but

who knows maybe I'll be wrong and they'll go in a different direction all right Austin fun exercise

a lot of the pivot points a lot of the major players here in the first round let's hope that some of

those reports are right and we get a lot of trades here in the 2026 NFL draft our thanks

to Austin Gail for joining me today being at a Christopher Sutton for producing Stefano Sanchez

on video and additional production supervision by Connor Nevins and Arjuna Ron Gopal I'm Shilka

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