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Alright!

Last time you heard this song, it was a cocaine threesome and a bathroom, followed by a sub-dancing.

And now we are here, you horny motherfuckers.

Let me introduce the rewatchables cast.

First of all, thank you everybody for coming out tonight.

This theater is awesome.

I love that third deck up there. It's great.

First off, he's the curator of the Wake Girl Hall of Fame.

He's currently hosting a record 17 different ringer podcasts.

The next mayor of Los Angeles, Van Lathen.

You know her as the mother of dragons.

She's a woman who really likes hands and fingers.

She's almost definitely going to violate a public obscenity law tonight.

Mallory Rubin!

He's the five time rewatchables MVP.

He's the main new turn march into CR Month.

He's the author of three books about medals.

CR himself, Chris Ryan.

And over on the side, for the first time ever joining us for a live show, our producer,

the guy who's taken over this podcast after I'm found naked and dead like Johnny Buzz.

Craig Horbeck.

Yeah.

All right.

Do you like that CR?

I do. I like the idea also that you're not killed by a beautiful blonde but by a Lakers fan.

Thank you.

Let's talk most San Francisco movies ever.

Wow.

CR.

We talked about this earlier.

I think the necessities are hills, water, shots of the bridge, and nice real estate.

Anything else? What do you got?

I just think that the sky, the light, the fog, there's like an atmospheric element that San Francisco movies tend to bring into play.

I mean, you've got some real, we were talking about how hard it is to move anything off of Mount Rushmore for these.

Yeah. So we got, we were thinking like movies that actually use the city.

It's really cool doing this, you know, in San Francisco, obviously.

Movies that make you feel like you're in San Francisco.

My four are basic instinct vertigo bullet because of the car chase and then 48 hours.

My favorite movie ever.

Van, what else would you put in there?

Because I could offer you Mrs. Delfire.

Yeah.

I could offer you the rock.

Pacific Heights, the game, anything else?

What about like dirty Harry, right?

Could offer you dirty Harry.

Dirty Harry was here.

Yeah, man.

As a matter of fact, I just won't let you guys know they're lying about your city.

When I came out here, I expert to see Batman patrolling the streets like...

It's fucking gorgeous.

Yeah, honestly, San Francisco is back.

We were from our hotel to the, to the giant's game last night.

San Francisco is in great shape.

I don't know.

Not listen to the bus anymore.

At the Philly's lost, yeah.

Mallory.

To the C.I.

Mallory, we're not too bad.

We're not.

Yeah.

When else do you have for San Francisco?

Naturally, you're missing a little bit of a genre presence.

No ant man.

You know?

There you go.

You didn't have the MCU on your list.

Planet of the Apes.

No?

Star Trek?

Star Trek is a good one.

Star Trek.

Yeah.

That's good.

What's your favorite?

I have a similar Mount Rushmore to you, I think.

I'd say it's probably bullet, zodiac.

This movie, Basic Instinct, and Mrs. Delfire for me.

Craig, you're the only one that grew up here.

I grew up in the East Bay, but yes.

Yeah.

Wow.

Okay.

All right, so what's the most San Francisco movie ever?

For me growing up, Mrs. Delfire for sure.

Okay.

All right.

Well, we have a more important Mount Rushmore, the Roddick's Riller Mount Rushmore.

Yeah.

Boy.

Which the unassailable choices are body heat, fatal attraction, basic instinct, and unfaithful.

Unfortunately, we have the mother of dragons here to weigh in.

Is that the right for us?

Is there anyone else you would put in 9.5 weeks?

What else?

Well, we've done three of those four together, four rewatchables, and now we're doing this

one together for the second time.

Yeah.

That's right.

A reatch.

That's nice.

Yeah.

That's how three of the five of us got through the first month of COVID was learning how to

podcast remotely talking about this movie, very normal podcast experience.

It was on Zoom three weeks after COVID started.

I honestly don't even remember one aspect of what happened.

I remember that in the first kept saying, I'll do that.

If I ever see you guys again in person.

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

He was using the pandemic as a shield to make all of these declarations about how he'd start

wearing deep VNX sweaters.

With no cushioned under him.

Right.

And doing cocaine and the bathroom stall at the nightclub.

So, Vann, this movie...

Show me the nightclub.

You know what the night's young.

This movie jump starts the erratic thriller Skin and Max era.

Yeah.

Which I guess technically starts with night eyes in 1990 with Andrew Stevens.

I know you're in a non-4K blu-ray.

Yeah, of course.

So stockings on CBS, no new to demons.

No need to be more important.

No need to be more important.

Yes.

The whole thing.

Basic instinct.

We have Shane and Tweed and Shane and Warrior about to come into our lives.

All of them.

What do you remember from this era?

I remember like staying up late, making sure that my parents were asleep.

I was by myself having a great time.

Emmanuel, all the different emmanuels.

I have a list later.

I'm talking y'all know.

I'm not by myself.

But, you know,

Red shoe diaries.

You're fucking freak you.

Red shoe.

Yeah.

All of that stuff.

Because what happened was this is prestige freak shit.

Basic instinct.

That's not...

I could get to that, right?

That was in a movie theater.

But then the freak shit that came on later on, you know, that was the stuff that was accessible to me.

That's what really made me a man.

CR and I have had very different experiences with this movie because

I saw this movie in college by myself in Western Massachusetts during the day.

But wait a second.

Yeah, don't let that fly.

Yeah.

I saw this movie in college by myself.

Yeah.

Every time after class, every story he tells from him in college,

I was me house and joking.

We were hanging out.

Yeah.

But he made the motherfuckers leave.

It was a solo.

How many empty seats between you and the next guy who was also jerking off to have the entire movie?

Extra butter.

I don't remember a lot other than that.

There were no couples.

And I'm going to say between 16 and 18 guys soloing in different spots in the theater.

There you go.

And it just the feedback or the stuff that was coming out about this movie.

First of all, we knew like the nude scenes were off the chain.

We knew Sharon Stone was the lady from Total Recall and some action jacks and movies we liked.

And then there was supposedly this female frontal thing that you didn't know what it was.

So it was a little like the shark and jaws waiting to see what was going to happen.

Yeah.

But if you didn't know you were going to get a shark in jaw.

I'll just do a rumor.

And I honestly see our this movie went way further than I was prepared.

But you saw younger than me because you're good with that.

Yeah.

We were like Dan Orlovsky breaking down tape with this.

Once the death of video stores, there was a lot of missing copies of this.

And there was a lot of probably manipulating the tracking on your VHS machine.

So this is a Hall of Fame rental.

How did this help you through puberty?

I was thinking about this Sharon Stone 86 through 92 is like her and Kathy Ireland are the bird and magic of my sexual awakening.

Who would you throw in, Van?

I got a list.

All right.

So at the bottom of the list, all the ladies from the various Emmanuel movies, Emmanuel Queen of the Desert, Emmanuel and Space, Black Emmanuel, Emmanuel and Bangkok.

They had Emmanuel for every fucking flavor that you needed.

All right.

Number four, Sharon Stone and basic instinct.

Yeah.

Number three, Robin Gibbons in a rage in Harlem.

Number two, Janet Jackson in the Pleasure Pinchable video.

Come on, man.

Number one, Pam Grier, Foxy Brown.

My mom.

That's why I'm talking about.

My mom actually made me get into Pam Grier and Foxy.

My mother suggested I watch that.

You know why?

Because of basic instinct.

Yeah.

And she was like, well, that's who's going to lose me to the white women.

And she was like, so she's like, well, she was raised in a Cuban dinner junior.

And she goes, you have the same Foxy Brown?

Because she knew those could be back to the black side of the situation.

Shout out to mama.

She was like, mission accomplished.

Well, we have a rewatchable's award named after a character.

This movie, the Catherine Tremel.

Would you throw your life away for this obvious stayaway word?

See, if someone said to you, I'm writing a book about a podcast who falls in love with the wrong woman.

And it was Sharon Stone in this movie.

Are you just like, I'm going to be dead in four weeks?

I mean, it's less than four weeks.

I think that this movie actually has multiple candidates for this, though.

Like, I'm watching at this time around.

I would toss it all away for Beth.

I mean, that's, yeah.

What about Roxie?

Beautiful lady, but also a free therapist.

Right.

And Roxie.

Yeah.

And Roxie did, of course.

Yeah.

It was easily Roxie, man.

Yeah.

So I was going to talk about this later because we got to get into Sharon Stone, but Roxie

just comes and goes.

She's in this movie and she's the cop stripper and days in thunder.

Never seen again.

You look at her IMDB.

It's like she just, I don't know what happened.

But if you just saw this movie, you would have thought she was going to be as big of a star of Sharon Stone or at least close.

Oh.

No.

At least for me.

If you saw this movie now, you definitely would think that's a person who's going to be responsible for generating a lot of memes.

Yeah.

Which is powerful in its own way.

But Sharon Stone, you watch this movie and you're like, this is the most powerful force of nature, like a hurricane in human form.

That's not exactly what Roxie is giving.

She's giving.

Yeah.

Roxie provoked different emotions.

Yes, Floor.

You know, I never went for the Sharon Stone types.

You mean the Catherine Tremel types?

Well, just Sharon Stone.

No, what I mean is that like, you go to the club with your boys.

I'm going to buckle up.

And everyone goes, yo, we got to have this girl.

I would always look at her friend.

I'd be like, her friend is the one that's not getting any attention.

She's looking at her friend on the dance floor.

She's pissed off.

She's like, look at all the motherfuckers looking at her.

I wish I was her.

And then I come over and I validate her.

I go, girl, you are her.

That's Roxie.

So you just need to validate her.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A quote in this movie about the Sharon Stone character, Mallory.

I love it.

She's got 100 million bucks.

She fucks fighters and rock and roll stars.

And she's got a green screw with people's heads.

And that's not the craziest thing said about her during this movie.

No, or the craziest thing that she says.

I mean, the quotes in this movie are astonishing.

One of the wonderful colleagues, Elizabeth, live events head,

rock star, our own rock star.

She hasn't seen this movie.

We were backstage with her and I was thinking wouldn't it be fun if we did like a,

is this a real quote from this movie game with her, right?

Because like, you could break out, have you ever fucked on cocaine Nick?

It's nice.

And then you could break out.

There's come.

Oh, really.

Right.

And you would get like 45 lines.

It's not that we're sensitive.

Oh, there's no way before you got off in Paris.

That would be a fun game show.

We could have gone 150 lines deep before we even had to put the first fake quote in there.

It's amazing.

Elizabeth does the live shows for us and she always watches the movie and the flight to the location.

And we were like, no.

Yeah.

No.

You need a privacy screen.

Please, though.

Who is like what actress now then would be the Sharon Stone that you would cast in this movie?

Interesting question.

Because this feels, does feel generational, right?

Like we, you go through, because there was a Kathleen Turner face where she would have been in it.

So this movie came out a different time.

Okay.

We have penises now.

Um, this movie came out when we had dicks.

Yeah.

Completely different.

We didn't have to pretend like it was something nice about what was happening.

It was aggressive.

It was primal.

Now I'm trying to think who could bring that energy?

Who could like, who could do that and like not give a fuck?

You know, not care.

Maybe like Margaret Qualie.

Maybe she's a little bit like that.

You know, I don't know.

It's different now because if you make the movie now, everyone's going to be so self aware of everything that's happening.

This movie kind of like creens through its plot with reckless abandon and it doesn't really care what anyone thinks about it.

It would be difficult to like cast somebody in that role and have them just be completely free.

I know we like always end up picking the same person, but is it not Sydney Swini?

Is it not?

I mean, obviously she could pull it off.

I think so.

Here's the difference.

Here's the difference.

We're Sharon Stone and why this movie is so important or she had popped in stuff, but we didn't really have a history with her.

She was like, she had been in a bunch of stuff.

She was in action Jackson.

Yeah, and I remember like she was in a record style, but differences, which is a great divorce movie, which is not available anywhere.

But she was in that in like 1982.

Right on me.

And for 10 years was just bouncing around.

What was the album quarter of one?

She was in a third of one.

She was in a cigar movie and just total recall was probably the biggest movie that she was in.

She was in, right? She's great in that.

So this was kind of her moment.

I don't know who that actress is now.

The point is that like at this junction in her career, she was hungry enough to do a movie like this and not hold anything back.

So if we talk about actresses there in that situation now, we're going to talk about more establishes actresses, but like this is like a controversial role.

Yeah, we really go a lot in places that you know could end up really being combustible for your career like it was for Elizabeth, Mercury, and Showgirls, or it could make you like it did for Sharon Stone and basically.

So they get Michael Douglas for $14 million for this movie and then he gets kind of semi approval for who the female star is going to be Sharon Stone was the 13th choice.

She made $500,000, which was less than 14 million in part though because of what you're just saying, right?

Like he really wanted somebody who was equally famous and were now and to kind of they were anticipating that it would be controversial.

He was like, I need somebody who's going to be able to shoulder the load of the blowback.

And I do remember like you can see it now when you funny blowback in the movie.

When you go on and read about like its release now, she's such a wild card because she's kind of like I have nothing to lose.

So she's saying crazy shit in interviews.

And she's you know her vibe is not like I'm a well-established star. I know exactly what I'm doing.

She's kind of like I'm blowing this pot stand before we I get out of here.

Well they offered it to Michelle Fyfer who said no and thank God because I think that might have actually killed me.

She was in this movie. I'd be dead. I don't know the host in this. It wouldn't be me. It would be somebody else.

See her chance to not nominated for an Oscar for this movie.

Yeah I'm sorry April.

I'll give you the nominees. We do.

Emma Thompson wins for Howard's End. Catherine DeNive for Indochine.

Is that a say?

Immigine? Sure.

Mary McDonald for Passion Fish. Michelle Fyfer for Lovefield and Susan Sarandon for Lorenzo's Oil.

Interesting.

I think we could have stuck Sharon in there guys.

I don't know. Like who else could have done the movie made $356 million?

This is a useful place to ask this. Do you take this movie seriously?

I don't.

Yeah.

I think it's a great time by way of hate it because I love Thorena.

You said you've said this a million times. It's a vibes movie.

Yes. It is a vibes movie for sure.

I like being in San Francisco. I like watching them smoke.

I like the nightclub scene.

Yeah.

Michael Douglas who we're going to get to in a second.

It's in the running for funniest performance of the 90s.

It's amazing. It's a story.

She doesn't know it's funny but everyone else knows it's hilarious.

And it's just a fun movie to hang out with.

This run of Paul Verhoeven movies works because even Paul Verhoeven is like we need to make this funny movie incredibly seriously.

Right.

Starship Troopers is kind of the same thing. I think they all know they're in this insane movie about those.

I don't think Douglas does.

What's that?

I don't think Michael Douglas knows that this is funny.

I think Michael Douglas knows.

I think he's like for me this is to work. I have to 100% commit.

But if you read that script you're like this is bullshit and it's hilarious.

He's 47 when he makes the movie.

Wow. I still got time.

Wow.

Yeah.

Boy.

Probably should have been a younger actor.

Would be better.

Come on man.

No.

You're talking about it.

You say no on that?

Well first of all I support an age difference as you know among consenting adults.

I think there's something about Nick being in like a midlife crisis.

It's actually pretty important.

He's had a marriage.

His wife killed herself.

He has committed four shootings.

Yeah.

He has to have the right way to go.

He has to have the right way to go.

He's got much longer to get out.

Yeah.

You can't have like a 25 year old whipper snapper on the force.

He needs somebody with some red near ledger.

Yeah.

Here's the thing.

He is one of the biggest movie stars who throughout his career routinely takes a chance with the way he does.

He takes a chance with the way the audience sees him.

And he's like, I don't mind playing the hero who's a piece of shit.

Yeah.

And he's like not he's the main star of Wall Street.

You know he is does these things where he's like I'll push my boat out and make sure we people have a really provocative experience.

When you say like how the audience sees him do you mean specifically him walking

forward and we're actually together.

Swinging under his back.

And like consider the time right.

So you're in a male Gibson Kevin Costner, which we're going to talk a lot a little bit about that later time where all of those guys are kind of competing to be the All American movie star.

And really his lane is being the freak.

He's a fucking freak.

He's a freaking this closure.

He's a freaking is.

He's a fucking freaking failure attraction.

His mother fuckers are freak.

And no one else really wants to do it.

He'll do it. He's great at it.

And he kind of makes his career at least a second half of it on that.

He's been in a lottery watchables movies.

He's not anyone's favorite actor, but he's been in a ton of everybody's favorite movies.

It would be weird to be a Michael Douglas super fan.

Yes.

This is my guy.

Me and Mike.

But I mean, my type, Mikey Doug Ben.

From 84 on Eripsa, from Manson the Stone, Jewel the Nile, Corusline, Fatal Traction, Wall Street, Winsey Oscar, Black Rain, War of the Roses, Basic Instinct, Falling Down, Disclosure, American President, Ghost and Darkness, the Game, Perfect Murder, Wonder Boys, Traffic.

You're fucking crazy.

That's amazing work.

And this is producer.

American President is the weird movie in that group.

I keep waiting for the American President to be like jerking off under the Resolute Test.

But he's like, no, I'm just a really good guy.

It's on the extended Blu-ray director's cut.

Craig, you're younger than us.

What's your relationship with Michael Douglas?

Just wandering into this after the fact?

I don't even think I have one.

I don't know what to go to, Michael Douglas.

I asked my wife Liz, I'm like, what's your opinion on Michael Douglas?

Like did you ever think he was hot?

And she's like, honestly, no, it just kind of creep.

But it was Michael Douglas ever like a top three love interest in Hollywood.

Man, let me say something.

Yeah.

My mom used to look at Baylor traction and be like,

I see what she was doing all of a sudden.

Could you say this Harrison Ford dark side Harrison Ford?

No way.

No, because Harrison Ford is God-tier.

And you can't say anyone is any version of me.

I asked the wrong person.

Get the fuck out of here.

What are you thinking?

It's wrong with you.

But Harrison Ford, Costner, Douglas, Gear, those were the men who my mom was obsessed with and loved.

And Michael Douglas was the one who didn't quite catch for me in terms of being sexually obsessed with him,

though I will tell you guys that when I booted up this movie to prepare, to rewatch it, to prepare for this live show,

there's a pretty famous moment in this movie that I think a lot of people pause on.

You might, well, it'll come up tonight, I think.

But I had paused at a different moment.

I booted up the director's cut and it was at one hour, 11 minutes and 43 seconds, which is the sidecock shot during the fuck of the century scene.

So I guess that was where I had just checked in.

Booted it up at some point, taken a look, paused it, left, and there I was waiting for me.

Do you think that was in between?

I was watching it with my husband and his rules.

Like that seems right.

Probably.

And it was six years ago the last three watchables. I've definitely looked at that since.

No question.

I thought we were going to do sidecocks later.

We can go back to them.

Don't worry.

One thing about Douglas, because he was also a producer, really good timing on when to jump in on a movie that's kind of parallel.

Parallel, paralleling whatever's happening in real life.

Even you go back to China Syndrome, which is in, which was like right whenever someone's afraid of nuclear war in the late 70s.

Wall Street is the greed is good.

Basic instinct.

Big fear of AIDS in the early 90s.

And he, in the research, one of the things he really wanted to do with this movie was push the envelope sexually the other way in movies.

And then disclosure was another one with workplace.

For asthma.

But he just over and over again had really good taste.

Sure.

That's the one where you put this.

Yeah.

A-framing.

Malorie, what was the documentary you saw with the storyboarding?

Oh, yeah.

There's a bonus feature at called, I believe, Blonde Poison?

Yeah.

Blonde Poison, the making of Basic Instinct, which is about 30-ish minutes.

A good chunk of it at the end is about actually the protests of the film by LGBT groups.

And I would say the first like 15 to 18 minutes before that are largely Paul Verhoeven.

The director.

The director talking about how he just insisted very clearly that everybody understood that they had to be naked in the movie.

And that they had to follow the exact game plan for the sex scenes because he had diagrammed them very precisely.

And then intercut with his commentary.

I'm going to hold up one for you guys.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Paul Verhoeven's work right there.

Pretty special.

Pretty special.

Yeah.

So he storyboarded the entire thing.

Yeah.

They spent five days filming fuck of the century.

Five.

Yeah.

Because he was so concerned that they were going to make him cut stuff and make it an X rating or whatever.

He wanted to be covered in every way shape or form.

Yeah.

And they filmed for five days, ten hours a day.

A 90-second sex scene.

Oh.

Yeah.

If you're watching the director's cut, it's a little longer.

Yeah.

And also Michael Douglas and Sharon Stone apparently were not super close during the making of this, which makes it all the more interesting.

Close to what way?

Well, I mean, I think that there wasn't a lot of coffee corner, just chitchat about like real.

He didn't want it to be in a movie.

Was that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

They had gone through a bunch of people and he was concerned because he's making this movie where he's got to play a killer co-addictic cop.

And he wanted a-a was actress to share that burden with him and get it over to finish live.

And all of them looked at the script and was like, you fucking crazy?

Not doing this.

And so then like they got Sharon Stone, but he was a little bit trepidacious about it.

Man, I hesitate to ask you this.

If you were filming with Sharon Stone for five straight days, for ten hours a day, just with small general pads on.

How would that go by like Wednesday?

Well, say I always wanted this because like-

First of all, you have to respond and say the general pad wouldn't be small.

He set you up there.

You have to come in and say that.

But they were also not wearing general pads.

They are famously completely naked filming these.

Oh, so they're naked filming these?

I thought they did.

No.

Also, to make sure-

Are you sure?

Watch this feature at.

Here's a quote.

From the director of this movie, I wanted to really see Oral Sex.

I wanted to see how he sucks her tits.

I wanted to see all that.

Thank you everybody.

You know.

I don't know how they do it.

I guess that's why they act for a living.

No, none of us have seen this by in the scenes.

And I'm not entirely sure she's not like making this up.

Yeah.

Because I looked for it online and I was like,

Oh, block poison.

I can't find this.

I'll send it to you.

Yeah, just like I said, I think those storyboard pictures.

Yeah.

The weird thing is also there's like stories that the actor sold that Verhoeven was like.

He would be like, OK, here's what we're going to do.

Here's the blocking and then they would show up day of and he would be like,

psych cure all my new storyboards and he would be like calling hot routes on Gene Triple Horn.

I don't know.

I technically heard.

But yeah.

Verhoeven Robocop Total Recall basically sticks starship troopers.

Just for the many, just a pervy Dutch guy.

I think would be the best way to describe him.

Love Push Namblo.

Love to put stuff in there kind of making fun of Americans and we didn't realize it as we love the movies.

Didn't realize he was flipping it on us.

What's his apex mountain for movies?

I think in retrospect, it's starship troopers.

Yeah, I think so.

In some ways.

Really?

I think that has like a better reputation than Beesick Instinct.

Interesting.

What do you think Ben?

I think it's easily Beesick Instinct.

I think it's not even close.

I think starship troopers has, he has his ability to elevate, I guess,

where people would consider it to be like trash or really accessible kind of stories.

But Beesick Instinct was a cultural phenomenon.

It was a movie that like legitimately my mom and then went to see it and they came back and I was like,

girl, was he just stabbing with that ice pick?

What's going on?

Like it was a movie that you absolutely had to talk about.

As much as Spade of Attraction got this genre started in a, in a management way.

This kind of solidified the genre as a money maker and as something that could like be star making for Sharon Stone.

Like you would approach these movies differently after Basic Instinct because you know that doing one and taking the risk and taking the chances

and like putting yourself out there on film like that could end up making you a star,

which is what this movie did for Sharon Stone.

So she did all of this stuff and then it paid off.

So I think this is probably his magnum office in my opinion.

I also think it's fair to say that there weren't really characters like this until this movie.

Like these kind of powerful female in control of the relationship.

Like, look at Susan B. Anthony over here.

This became something that a lot of movies tried to do but I don't know who tried to do it before this movie.

I can't really think of one. Can you see her?

A femme fa tall like this?

No, not, I mean like not this explicitly and this violently.

Because like body heat did it right?

Sure.

And that was 10 years earlier.

And there's some other ones over the years but I think this jump started.

Then what was interesting about this movie is all the rip off terrible movies that tried to, you know,

some of the series that were night-

They called it a night-

They were participated in it.

Yeah.

Sliver.

I've seen them all.

I know Van has them all and Blu-ray.

This movie had people protesting various parts of it.

Like they couldn't even decide what to protest.

Sharon Stone hosted SNL in April 92 and six people disrupted that and actually disrupted the monologue and they had to like change it.

But people are pretty pissed off for a variety of reasons about this movie.

Joe Estherhouse was the writer.

Three million dollars got for the script.

There was a bidding war from Carol Coat Productions.

So if anyone has ever listened to the rewatchables, probably our favorite production company.

More or less.

Dostalone, Segal, Harnet Schwartz-Danger, Classics, basic and thinking-

Fugging from Chris Notting Happily over there.

A lot of cocaine.

Yeah.

Wow.

Esther Hoss is basically in a competition with Shane Black who we just talked about on Nice Guys.

He- these two are like basically trading back and forth the like all-time richest screenplay deal for like five years.

Right.

And then Estherhouse gets mad because Vera Hovins putting all this extra stuff in the movie ends up walking off the set.

49 million dollar budget made 353 million the fourth highest grossing movie of 1990.

That would be 800 million today.

This would be Project Hail Mary today.

A maze.

A maze.

So, for an aggressive or rated erotic piece.

Well, so this is an interesting topic.

Could this happen anymore?

Do people want to be in a movie theater watching people fuck like this?

No, they're the crazy people in the house.

Like because of Craig's generation.

No.

Yeah, it's Craig's generation right now.

Don't go mad on me.

We were doing- I can't remember woke movie we were doing.

I'm so crazy.

And this was the time, you know, after Craig said that he would choose somebody in a heart and that changed my opinion of him forever.

But we were watching a movie and Craig said they were just titties in the movie for no reason.

So, I don't know, things in myself.

How much fucking distance is it between me and Craig?

Whenever Titties show up, I am happy to meet them.

I agree.

And Craig was a comfortable with this.

Thank you.

Well, and now 200 movies later, I'm like bummed when there's no nudity in the movie.

Yeah.

And we've shown him back.

Come on.

Film score got an Oscar nomination.

Jerry Goldsmith.

Yandabat, working the cameras.

Yandabat?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Little Yand, a couple years for speed.

Craig, 112 minutes plus 22 on the WorldX.

Craig thinks every movie should be 90 minutes.

22 over par.

Yeah.

But you can kind of skip right to the sex scenes now.

It doesn't really matter how long it is.

Everything's clippified now, you know?

Yeah, that second half of the movie probably could be tightened, I would say.

Also, the last 25 minutes of this movie are like, what the fuck is happening?

It's present to a who've done it.

By the way, the movie would have been longer if Shooter could last.

Shooter has a premature ejaculation problem.

Oh, you're just in it.

Here comes 9 minute van.

9 minute van.

At minimum.

Do we know we had a premature?

Was it just edited that way?

That guy we have Valerie, you're dancing.

I've been like, hey, yo, on God, like, for real, for real, for real.

Like, give me at least two extra minutes so people know how I move out here in this movie.

You know what I'm saying?

I can't have people thinking that the credits go roll, I'm gonna be popping before us, you know what I'm saying?

The Beth scene, unfortunately, in many respects, including this one, very quick.

But the Catherine scenes, I don't know.

I think like, we see her orgasms so many different times, including from the single most memorable part of the movie,

which is him going down on her, maintaining eye contact the entire time and going cross-eyed.

Like, he's trying to like, identify a unicorn and a magic eye painting.

I'm just like, when I see, when we do these, I never, ever, ever want to have sex again.

Like, every time he's doing like a muppet version of someone going down at something, it just kills me.

But then he's on top, the backstretch, that she's on top, right?

So we're going through some pretty protracted sequences there.

Like, you said down on her like, girl, you think I wouldn't go and do this, did you?

I know, he was really impressed with himself.

Yeah, he was.

Yeah, and then he watched his own blowjob in the mirror.

Where are you guys on bedroom ceiling mirrors?

What part of the podcast is this?

What do you think?

I always like see myself and like, yo, Niggie, you need to work out.

Like, we are going to the islands, and my titties lay to the side.

It was one of the MTV cribs era.

It was one of those when somebody had the bedroom area.

You really knew some freak shit was going down.

It was always a red flag.

And you didn't think that.

Yeah, it was one of the other.

It was definitely a statement.

Speaking of statements, Roger Ebert.

Yeah.

Two stars.

I want to miss.

Yeah, I can't do Roger, man.

Yes, thank you.

The film is like a crossword puzzle.

It keeps your interest, and two you solve it.

And then it's just a worthless scrap with the spaces filled in.

Yeah, damn.

I don't want to give him a fuck you, Roger, but I'm going to give him like a borderline fuck you, Roger.

Just a whiff.

I don't like that.

Give it two and a half.

Come on.

I'm surprised he didn't give it a two and a half.

Like, this is a very well made movie, but if you think it's absolutely.

I think he was just really upset by the ending, mainly.

I think he kind of liked it, but he was upset about the ice pick at the end.

He's just knocked the star off at the end.

The reason why the review surprises me is because the movie takes itself very seriously.

And it's well made, well acted, and well crafted.

There's some really insanely well crafted scenes here.

It's not throwing anything away.

So you would think that he would respect the craftsmanship a little bit more than like what he did.

It's a pretty like critically derided film.

It is.

I mean, a lot of the reviews are bad.

It's adored by the public, right?

But it's not like everybody.

It's not like Roger's on an island, but no.

No, it's tough.

Like, Sharon Stone talks about like thinking like, I've made, like I've done it.

I've made double indemnity.

People are going to love this.

I'm going to wait till she hears this podcast.

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So, for the rewatchables, if you haven't heard any of the parts we've done, we do categories to break down the movie.

First category is most rewatchable scene.

We'll give you some runner up nominees.

Incredible opening murder scene right into the police showing up and dialogue that goes,

there's come stands all over the sheets.

So, let's talk about it now.

I would love to.

Yeah.

Johnny Bosch is that night, no maid.

No, there is a maid. This is part of what I have to say.

She's a rotund maid. They even pointed out.

Yeah, she's 54 and 240 and so they say she couldn't be the murderer, which is pretty fucked up honestly.

Not the only fucked up thing in the movie, but-

Because they blew like this and it looks like a Sunday.

It looks like-

Is everyone tracking Artemis right now, the NASA photos?

Bosch's sheets under the black light look like the face of the moon that NASA is currently showing us.

Splattered creators everywhere.

So, he either is Mount Bissuvius.

Right.

One night only or-

He's never watching a show.

He's fed her, is a no-go zone for the me.

And those sheets have nothing changed in weeks.

Yes, I think it's that.

So, you have a theory that you do on the sheets with the no maid or just-

Is it one night?

Or is it-

I think by the name of Peter North, who throughout the course of his career was able to send records.

And if you guys don't know who he is, you'll be amazed.

And so, when I think of this movie, I think about talent.

Not necessarily about like function.

So, it wasn't the fact that he was doing it a lot.

It was like when he was doing it, talking about a fucking fire host.

So, my question is, if you're getting stabbed to death with the nice pick, as you're coming-

Yeah.

Is that like a triple com shot?

Sorry to be crude, but that's-

If the maid's not coming, that has to be the only other explanation.

I just don't think the-

The human body contains that much ejaculate at one period of time.

Okay.

Whether or not you're-

Wait though, have Sharon Stone frozen on top of you and you're gonna be stabbed 31 times with the nice pick.

Not to get too graphic here, but like-

I think it's fine.

Go ahead.

Is it Johnny Baws inside Catherine Treball?

Yes.

Why-

I see him in everywhere.

I think the idea also is they have done it multiple times that night.

That this is like-

It's Johnny Baws' fuck of the century.

That's right.

Cocaine on the penis, so-

Yes.

Anyone second guess in their decision to come tonight or-

I'm not a great time.

That's what I want.

I think you guys do what you were coming for.

The woman in the opening scene, by the way, was Sharon Stone.

It didn't seem like-

Because they have her hair covered-

Yeah, you can see her in Verhoven.

It almost seems like she's in a wig.

They put her in a blonde wig, I think, to make you think it could be-

Somebody else, yeah.

Yeah.

There's some pretty clear indicators.

See, Eric, would you want to go this way?

If-

Like, you could pick ten different ways to die with the Johnny Baws being the top three.

I would be-

I would be so thrilled to find out what the other ones would be that we talked about.

Yeah.

Yeah, okay.

This is like the Tyrion Lannister, you know?

How he's always saying he wants to go with a belly full of wine and some lips around his top.

Like-

It's the Johnny Baws.

Another quote from this scene.

He got off before he got off.

Yeah.

That's where you know you're in the right hands.

Next scene, the first visit to Sharon Stone's house.

Incredible.

Catherine Tramell.

We get a great, great Bay Area Drive.

Amazing house.

Gorgeous.

Fantastic.

I'm going to give this the Denetheaves, Beniano, where scene stealing location.

Yeah, I'm going to give this the nightclub.

Yeah.

Really nice.

Good deck.

Good deck.

Great deck.

Great deck.

Great deck.

Great deck.

Yeah.

It's a great deck.

Great landscaping.

Yeah.

Gerthy deck.

Catherine Cubsid.

Catherine Tramell comes in throwing 120 miles an hour right away.

I was dating him.

I was fucking him.

Man.

What do you a pro?

I'm an amateur.

I wasn't in the mood last night.

Are you sorry?

He's dead.

Yeah.

I like fucking him.

Incredible.

She's just thrown him off.

Left and right.

He was talking this way.

Does it seem that upset now?

Well, she's-

That's part of the appeal of Catherine as a character.

Is she is so utterly in command and assured?

And there's something disarming and terrifying about it, but also something so appealing.

So like the whole movie, the thriller, the erotic thriller aspect is a cat and mouse chase,

where like the mouse wants to be caught so that he can fuck Catherine.

Right?

And you have to understand that like immediately.

What you do.

Then we have another rewatchable scene.

The second house visit to the car ride, which includes her changing.

That's how we know she's not wearing underwear.

They're in the car.

I don't smoke.

Yes, you do.

I quit.

Congratulations.

All of a sudden she has cigarettes.

What's your new book about?

A detective.

He falls for the wrong woman.

What happens?

He kills her.

Yeah.

Douglas is like, I'm fucking in.

This is-

I am all the way in.

Good shot of a-

What part of St. Francisco were we in there?

Well, they were driving up to Stinson, but the house in real life was in Carmel,

but they're driving up to Stinson Beach.

Okay.

Which shots out Scott Natalia got married in Stinson Beach.

They're here somewhere.

There they are.

Next scene is the police room scene.

Yeah.

I think the most famous scenes of the night is, and we also have Newman from

Seinfeld, the Nettie Harris from Major League in their place.

I'm sure, no.

The factoid, which I don't know if it's true that Spielberg hired him off of this,

is unreal.

That was even Spielberg's takeaway from the scene.

For the rest of the park, I got that guy.

Brad.

What are you going to do, Rasmus?

Rasmus for smoking?

Good luck.

Johnny liked to use his hands too much.

I like hands and fingers.

Another quote.

Have you ever fucked on cocaine, Nick?

It's nice.

At comic.

It's not how she says it.

She's a fool.

Everybody who she did, she's like, it's nice.

She just goes into Borat first.

Yeah, it's a good thing.

Borat is a good stick.

He's nice.

He's dead.

And then we get the Leg Cross, which became maybe controversial.

Maybe controversial.

The most famous moment of the 90s in a movie, I'm trying to think what's bigger.

Migs from Silas and Layton.

Migs?

Is that like 80s?

Biggest holy shit moment.

I remember my dad, resting piece dad.

Dad was like,

That was boy.

Go back a couple of seconds.

I honestly think, and when I watched it, I thought I'd never look

This is one of the most well written scenes of the 90s.

So when you think about the movie, right?

The movie is about basic, the movie you guys think about to be freaky.

I'm about to be like, okay, let me cook for a second.

The movie, basic instinct, it's about primal urges, right?

Things that you cannot control.

Yeah.

But the movie only works if you understand how dangerous the Catherine is.

Yes.

And how much he can't resist her.

So that scene is in conflict because that scene has to establish how dangerous she is.

But it also can't betray the fact that we see how dangerous she is.

All of these police officers see how dangerous she is.

And he still has to be primarily drawn to her.

So she has to go there and be smarter than everybody in the room.

By the way, so does the audience.

Exactly.

Exactly for us as well.

She has to go there and be smarter than everybody in the room.

But if she is smarter than everybody in the room, it breaks the deal with the audience.

Because then you go, well, we know that she's the murderer.

Right.

We know that she's gaming them.

Why would he still want her?

Then she lets that dang out.

Yeah.

And let me tell you something right now, to all the ladies in the audience.

If you want to end the argument or the speculation, let that dang out.

If you let that dang out, you win.

All right.

Stop playing the game.

I want to play MLB.

Let that dang out.

You're just a game.

Okay.

And so when that happens, that re-injects this primal urge into the scene.

And it completely wipes his mind and our mind and everybody else,

you got to go get that dang.

And Newman violated some HR laws, I think.

Newman's like, well, I was going to hit this in unanswerable questions,

but he's not in the movie after that.

It's like, did seeing Karen's, but giant a kill.

Yeah, fucking.

So the S-C-T-A, drop fucking dead in the bathroom stall cranking one out,

10 minutes after that.

And so what else is looking at the live detector and is like, you can beat the machine.

No, you can't beat the machine.

And Newman is dropping dead after having seen Karen.

So he's not in the director's cut.

No.

It's just he makes an early impression.

And that's it.

I think Vance Point is really important because like, there are five dudes in that interrogation

for no reason other than that every, she like, they're all wrapped, right?

And so the fact that the trick of that in addition to the very obvious one is that she is like,

in command and there and her power, even though she is so clearly should be the one who's like,

what is happening here?

Even the way that scene is lit, the way it's staged, like that doesn't look like an interrogation room at all, right?

It looks like she's like on display at a gallery.

So there was controversy about that scene that we should mention.

She said it was filmed without her knowledge and it turned into a, he said, she said that.

I forget what year the starter, Karen Stone says that they asked her to take her under the camera.

They asked her to take her underwear off because it was affecting the lighting.

Which I mean, yeah.

And then she saw a cut and her and her lawyer Marty Singer were going to basically stop the movie from coming out.

And then she just, but then she was like, you know what?

Like, I signed up from it.

That is me and she decided to do it, but not without reservations.

And then it wasn't in the script either.

And then in Barehoven, Pervy Dutch guy remembered something similar happening when he was in college and decided to weave it in.

Anyway.

Cool college story.

Yes.

Record scratch.

Quick, quick one, we're using college and she took that thing out.

And I stopped playing MLB with Shoei Sifah.

And that is the end of the argument.

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16 years.

And he's wearing a V-neck shirt that his aunt gave him for Christmas in 1985.

It's like, oh, well, yes, I haven't worn this yet.

And goes into the bathroom, which is, has anyone ever been in a bathroom like this?

There's 50 people in the bathroom.

They're all doing cocaine, they're playing like cards.

I don't know what bathroom is this.

Most of the characters on industry, we were talking about this last night.

This is like a regular third episode of a season of industry.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Bann is fucking quiet right now.

I'll just tell you.

So Bann, what happened?

Okay.

Um, Roxy is throwing, I think, 130 miles an hour in the scene.

The catcher's been actually breaks.

Yeah.

She breaks the mitt.

And Douglas is, again, I'll put this against Jim Carrey and Dumb and Dumber.

I'll put this against Mike Byers.

I'm Eric Maxperger.

Name a funny movie.

Nothing's funnier than Douglas in this scene.

Trying to be sexy.

I'm not too old to be here.

Dance guy.

The only thing that could have been funnier is if he danced.

Yeah.

But he makes the choice to be like, what would this guy do with this club seeing all this

shit?

This is like every primal instinct coming out.

And he's just like, I would just stand there.

So you're watching.

And you're like, this has to be the unintentionally funniest thing that's going to happen with Michael

Douglas in this movie.

Think again.

Because we go to the sex scene where he also gets up after and wins the William Peterson

on the dude.

I'm not sure we needed to see your balls or.

Does it twice?

Does the walk talk to Roxy?

Does the, let me ask you something, Roxy, man to man?

Very tough.

And the pivot and does another walk.

He's like, did you see my balls throwing butt crack?

Yeah, here they are again.

Yeah.

And he's just feeling it.

And the side dick before that.

So this is what happens when you've made 10 straight years of $100 billion movies.

You just start walking around in the bathroom.

This is just the tour to force.

Anything to add now before we move on?

I think this is a very important scene.

We've talked about the side dick, the oral sex face, watching the blowjob in the mirror.

I think the fact that in terms of just actually the clues, not that you're really thinking about

the clues, but it is like beat for beat parallel to what we saw in the boss scene.

Right.

You're very titillated by what you're seeing, but you're like, is he going to get stabbed

by an ice pick, right?

It's really a new one.

And even the whole bedding.

Yeah, the headboard has like the slats so that she can tie them up, breaks out the air

maze or hermys.

As it is called in this film, astonishing stuff, scarf out and tie them up.

It's just start to finish pretty incredible.

The tearing of the back flesh, I think that these are some of the most guttural orgasm

sounds ever committed to the public record on film.

And when I was younger watching this for the first time, it reminds me of how I think

people today read like fourth wing or court of thorns and roses and I'm taking notes.

Okay, this is how you could do something to like lead to a 27 page chapter about going

down on your girlfriend on a throne, got it.

Okay.

Like people were watching this studying and trying to learn, not you.

But in those books, it's like the girlfriend is also like a dragon fairy, right?

Yeah, well there are fairies and court of thorns and roses.

And I could tell you've read them.

Dragon Riders and fourth wing.

And then you watch this now as like a middle aged person and like the angling of the

back, I'm like, is she about to like turn into Nagini?

Like I just worry about everybody's pain.

I see them looking into the mirror up top.

I'm like, if I had that now, I would just say like, are my hips properly aligned so

that I'm not going to wake up with lower back pain?

It's a very different relationship as you age.

It's an amazing athletic performance.

It is.

It is.

It is.

It is.

Yeah, I don't know what his dick looks like the next day.

But it's not going straight.

It's there's definitely a couple of turns.

I have two more scenes.

Nick goes see Catherine the next day and she kind of deflates the balloon a little bit.

Yeah.

Roxy didn't know what she was in for.

Oh, she's seen me fuck other guys.

Just like sticking into him.

Nick came in that was the fuck of the century.

I thought it was a good beginning.

Say Nick came in that bitch like he was the man.

Yeah.

I thought it was the fuck.

Is he still wearing the sweater or did he change?

I can't remember if he wears the sweater.

Yeah, he's still wearing it.

He's still wearing it.

All of a sudden he's become Danny Zuko.

Like he went from being like a regular cop to not.

He's the coolest motherfucking world.

She's like, yo, Doc, pump the brakes.

I used to fuck a boxer.

Like, you know what I mean?

He's like, get the fuck out of here.

And then just the ending with the twist where you think she's going to kill him.

I think those are all the rewatchable scenes.

What do you got to see?

What's your most rewatchable?

Nightclub 100 out of 100.

I mean, the sex scene's cool, but like the nightclub has so much going on.

I love that the drug dealer gets to dance with them.

That he's like, yeah, you know, like kiss a coke.

Can I join?

Hey, that black guy is in every 90s movie.

For some reason, they got a nigger with a flat top and a vest.

No shirt.

Who knows all the choreography to everything.

That guy comes back.

Glenn Plumber plays that guy in showgirls.

He comes black.

He's dancing with a random white girl.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm telling you, that guy, I never saw him in Batterooge.

So we are the nightclub scene.

Where do you have now?

I think it's fucking the century.

I across the course of my life diagram, that like I'm scoring a baseball game.

Yeah.

Like, that's gotta be that.

So we're not gonna bring up.

Is you really the interrogation scene?

Yeah.

The interrogation scene.

My interrogation scene.

Okay.

But also, but like the triple horn scene, right, which is obviously a very, I mean, come

on man.

It's a controversial scene.

It's problematic.

Yeah.

It's a very problematic scene, but like he runs, that's the first time we really see

them together.

Yeah.

And it's like, very, it shows that legitimately the moment that he meets Catherine, his

character changes immediately.

Right.

Yeah.

Once again, more primal, like more driven by whatever this thing is in his body that he

can't control.

What's the most 1992 thing about this movie?

What do you have, CR?

That's got Bart Simpson on your teaching.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mistaken for a good.

It's a fucking killed.

Yeah.

For real.

Yeah, everyone been?

Yeah.

So in this movie, only the attractive people have sex.

So they're.

Yeah.

A bunch of people in the movie, but only the people that look good having sex.

If they made this movie right now, there'd be a random scene of Haas hitting someone from

the back.

Right.

But in this movie, like the desire people, desire people that have sex and everybody else

is a bunch of fucking pastrami eating cops.

They get to go, oh, you fucked that last night, cuter.

We like, like, but in this now, we have democratized sexing.

So Haas would have got to get down with the Haas and Roxy when I had the little situation

if it was happening today.

This is an amazing point because to the guys on the force, Nick is Austin Butler.

Like, they're so fucking gross.

They're like, they're even happy when they're like, Nick is breaking every law, but God

damn it.

I have a couple of 1992 things.

Quitting cocaine for three months?

Yeah.

Yes.

Those green police computer screens really bring me back to the 90s.

When you're just trying to read, honestly, you'd go blind if you looked at those things

for too long.

But some of the prompts they're writing it are kind of chaggy P.T. where they're like,

yeah, yeah.

1967.

And it's like, oh, okay.

Calling a condom a rubber?

Sure.

Yeah.

Man, don't they do we say rubber in the same way anymore?

I was 12.

And then Sharon Stone hosted the April 1992 setter and live to promote this movie with

musical guest, Pro Jam.

The first, first SNL performance.

Look at that.

And they look like they're like 22 years old.

So there you go.

What's age the best?

All the San Francisco location stuff.

By the way, I was.

I was warned by multiple people and not to say San Fran.

Apparently it's an annoying habit.

The San Francisco people don't like.

So do you have a nickname for San Francisco or no?

Frisco.

SF.

What do you say, Craig?

SF, probably.

So if someone says San Fran, you're just like fuck this for a second.

So I fucking said it.

Yeah.

Well, fuck you guys.

I said it and Logan's right there.

I was trying to like shout out, everybody give it up for Logan Murda.

But like I said it when I was trying to fucking compliment y'all.

I said, you nobody told me that shit.

I didn't get the email.

So Frisco, the city, all of that shit shout out to y'all.

I like SF.

We mentioned this earlier for what's said the best.

One of the great cigarette smoking movies ever made here.

Who would you give if we could only hand out one Sean Penn.

I brought my own pack award for excellence in on screen smoking.

Would you go stone or Douglas?

Douglas because you can see that the cigarette is the highway to hell for him.

Oh, interesting.

I feel like it's the cigarette that unlocks everything.

I have more what saves the best.

But what do you got now?

Well, I just I'm shocked you didn't say the first shot of Catherine on the deck that

we spent so much time talking about.

Yeah, good.

Yeah, it's a good.

It's a good.

Draws your attention to the jagged rocks, the danger of the person and the setting, all

of it.

The scorer you already mentioned is quite good.

The dong, the nudity, the explicit sex, Sharon Stone.

We've talked about all of it.

I think the way props are used, like objects.

You mentioned the key ring, obviously the ice picks, the hand ties, the ceiling mirrors,

the matching Picasso's.

There are these like little aspects of every setting that really becomes central drivers

of the plot in a nice way.

I got one.

Yeah.

Men fucking with women who will eventually destroy them.

So this movie should be required viewing for anyone who's thinking about dating a Kardashian

Timmy.

Oh, yeah.

I know it seems good now, brother.

Yeah.

But I was there for nine years.

It's not going to work out.

I had Johnny Bos's apartment, which has a Picasso.

Yeah.

Yeah, and Catherine has a Picasso.

So made service.

I really like Michael Douglas.

I have down his hesitation.

I can't believe this broad laugh that he does where he's just like drinking a paper cup

of water.

Yeah, yeah.

He's like his little weird flirty thing.

Some of the Nick Catherine exchanges, fuck like Minks, Ray's, Rugrats, live happily

ever after.

There's just like good screenwriting stuff from this.

And then now I can't believe you didn't mention this.

Well, she got that Magna Cunlavi pussy under that.

The Friday.

I don't believe.

Yeah.

Just some of the George Zunza.

Yeah.

He plays Gus.

And Chris.

Gus, like you know, he's dead the moment you see him.

You're like, oh, yeah.

It's got so overweight.

He's a buddy.

Yeah.

It's going to drink too much.

He'll make it.

You do the pool.

He's going to be 18 minutes left.

I'll be dead.

You know, it's happening.

Uh, pre-tech San Francisco.

Yeah.

I would also put in there.

Sixth is go.

I used to come here a lot in the 90s because some of my best

high school college friends lived there.

And San Francisco was fucking awesome in the 90s.

And it was a great place for young people.

It was just really cool.

And obviously has gone through a lot of transformations

over the years.

But just seeing it, don't make a face, man.

It was just finding it to the propaganda.

The fucking sheet is beautiful.

I've seen that fucking building.

There I just said it.

What's that pointy building?

What's it called?

The pointy one from Star Trek.

Do you all know the name of the pointy one?

I see that bitch.

Transomer, whatever the fuck.

I saw that.

I was like, yo, man, this shit is crazy.

Are we done with the bloodstates the best coming from?

I had one thing, which was it takes it, like, for me,

it took a bunch of viewings to notice this.

Is there is a brief moment when Douglas goes to a best house.

He's like, come in and he's like, oh, my lock is broken.

And it's basically the only detail you get

that Catherine has set Beth up this entire time

and is placing articles in her house and shit out.

Gotta put that revolver behind the book.

That's changed your locks.

Maybe, but it's a great, otherwise,

the whole movie almost falls apart at the end,

which it kind of doesn't.

Did you have another great chat, Gordo, for Best Shat?

There's a bunch of really cool shit in here.

The three-on-demons are really good,

but the push in on Catherine saying,

I'd have to be pretty stupid to write a book about killing

and then kill him the same way I described in my book.

And she's saying it to the audience

where it's almost breaking the fourth wall.

Right.

We don't get to give this out of that.

The Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate.

Catherine's House.

Yes.

So the exterior is in Stinson Beach,

and then the interior stuff was in Carmel by the Sea,

which is not that close to her.

About 35 mil right now for this one.

Great Bay Window.

Great deck.

Easy access to a completely scary beach.

Yeah.

Beautiful.

You just do a die as you're going on a walk.

See how you have a flex category, what do you got?

Yeah.

I mean, you guys tell me, I feel like the Ed Norton reverse

Dunk Award did this movie need a random sports scene.

There's a little bit of Niners at the end,

like at the diner and stuff.

But can we not get George Seaford in this movie somehow?

Yeah.

Because you're still cooking that, Ted.

What do you mean?

Nick goes to a Niners practice?

He's like young Montana.

Like, God's has lost a ton of money on the Niners.

Yes.

Yeah.

Or I got one.

Karen used to fuck somebody on the Niners.

Maybe Karen.

Catherine.

I'm trying.

Catherine used to like, he'll white woman, Karen, whatever.

So she used to fuck somebody on the Niners

so they go to interview him and his Jerry Rice.

And the name of her new novel is Rice.

Right.

Yes.

Mallory, you don't get a flex because you have your own award.

The Mallory Ribbon Award for, did this movie need a better

sex scene?

Oh, shit.

OK.

Well, like, a third of the runtime is sex scenes, basically.

We have the opening boss scene.

We have Nick.

I'll incorporate some just nudity that's very central.

As well, Nick watching Catherine change in the mirror

for the first time.

The Nick Beth rapes scene.

We could make that better by not having it

or not doing it that way, I'd say.

Nick watching Catherine change again

through the large beautiful picture windows

that you were just commenting on with the real estate.

And reasonable to assume that she knows he's there.

So put a pin in that.

I'll be coming back to that in a second.

We've got the fuck of the century.

The fireplace chase scene.

So this, we enter a different point in the movie now

where we're like not seeing the sex.

Right.

They burn us out.

Make love to me.

And then we cut and they're cuddling in front of the fire.

It's like, this is not the movie that I signed up to watch.

Why am I not seeing every second of that?

And it ends up being very relevant

because that's when she's planting the Lisa nuggets

about Beth in this vulnerable moment.

Then we get Catherine at Nick's apartment, some nudity.

And then again, we don't see the sex scene insane.

Then we cut to them cuddling in the window.

You didn't have enough sex.

I think that there are a couple opportunities

in the established sequence of the film

to just show us all of the sex again,

which I would have supported.

And then of course, the final sex scene,

which once again mirrors the boss beats,

she's spine bending maneuvers.

And then the forward thrust and then like,

okay, she didn't kill him.

So here are my suggestions.

Give us the full sex scenes in the ones we cut away

from the making of to me, fireplace, chase,

and the window nook.

But I think for like the fourth or fifth rewatchables in a row,

so this is something I'm gonna reflect on later,

I would like to suggest that the movie

include a masturbation scene.

Because it actually doesn't make sense that that's missing.

And I think when Nick follows-

Nick has calluses.

Well, yeah, I'm like, how does Nick's dick have skin on it?

Because he has that many calluses on it.

Like, use some lotion, my guy, come on.

But I'm talking about Catherine naturally.

He follows her home.

Someone said yes.

Somebody said yes.

Someone's missionary.

Someone's not a missionary.

He follows her home.

And she is, she just immediately gets undressed,

drapes her open, giant window.

She definitely knows he's there

because he is the worst tale in the history.

Yeah, he really is.

He's terrible.

At no point in the movie does he follow somebody

and they don't know that he's behind them.

So she knows he's there.

And purposefully, she gets undressed

in front of the window, leaves the lights on,

and then as she walks away,

turn the lights off,

which I think is confirmation that she knows he's watching.

There's a couch right there.

Go for it.

Right?

So he threw out some solo action.

OK.

And then we make it a Newman scene as well.

Oh, Newman solo action.

Let's see it.

Let's see it.

Real toss up.

Let's either see Newman jack off for Catherine Masterbeat.

I'm going blended on her couch.

I'm going with it.

Honestly, wait.

Yeah, I've never seen anything like that before.

Oh my god.

Holy mackerel.

We don't get to give this award out.

Craig, you were here when this award was created.

The Steven Seagull Heart to Kill award for,

did this movie need a better intimacy coordinator?

Clearly.

Yes.

I'm going to say yes on this.

Yeah, I'm going to say yeah.

I'll give this a yes.

Yeah, OK.

Which is Girlfriend Award for a week link of the film.

I got this one.

And it really jumped out of me.

What the fuck is Hazel Dobkin's doing in this movie?

Oh, this is my TV.

Unless you subscribed to the online theory

that she is the mastermind of this entire film.

Oh.

Oh, that's why Catherine seems so deferential towards her.

And she's often at the house when Nick arrives

as like Hazel's like in the background.

Yeah.

What message board are you on?

Our slash basic instinct.

And no, but it's like it's either one or the other.

She's either like they kind of wrote her into the movie

and kept her like appearing throughout it

or she is the Joker.

What do you think of that, Van?

Wait me.

Hazel Dobbins being the Joker.

I don't know.

And by, like, you know, I'm thinking about a lot of stuff

in this movie.

I'm processing as we're talking.

Like when we were talking about the sex scenes and Hazel,

I looked at the sex scenes.

I really thought that this was the way

why people had sex back in the day.

Because I look at her now and all of her riding skills

that completely obsolete now.

We have new technologies.

She wasn't making no circles.

She was just going crazy.

And then like when you see showgirls, it's the same thing.

When you watch Elizabeth Berkland showgirl,

she's in the pool.

And she's actually like she's on a booking bronco.

And I'm like, I'm fucking spasm and shit like that.

But anyway.

I had Hazel questions as well.

Because I think it's one of the more puzzling aspects

of the plot.

I didn't know this was a theory.

I hadn't considered the Joker thing.

But I think another bit of evidence

to support this theory is that Hazel canonically

killed her husband and three children.

She is a mass murderer, a child slayer.

And it is established on the aforementioned computer

that she was in jail for nine years for that.

Roxy killed her.

That's a Joker thing is out after six.

That's like so insane.

She slicked their throats with a razor.

And I was like, I've been in a couple of years.

I'm good.

I had that in ticket nets.

It seemed like I was trying to transfer.

I was trying to show it prison sentence

for wiping out your family.

It's crazy.

We're out there.

We're out on a hold on.

This is a two-american thing.

That tracks kill her whole family.

She gives out nine years.

I know it makes us in jail 55 years for me.

Like, that's real.

It is a...

It is a...

It isn't the weak link of the movie,

the DNA evidence thing though.

Like, it's actually like, I agree that we just want

to watch the movie and have fun.

But it is actually disqualifying.

Borderline disqualifying.

Like, DNA evidence had been in practice since the 80s.

This movie is set in 92.

There's just absolutely no reasons.

Those guys...

Here's the thing.

Those guys were just like...

Only single murder involves everybody fluid.

Yes.

That you could possibly excrete.

How are they not finding the killer?

Can I counter this?

Please.

Because I had this in what stage to worst, not weakest link.

Okay.

Just because 10 years later, the DNA she's done in five minutes.

But if you remember the OJ trial in 95,

people still, we barely knew what DNA evidence was.

People didn't even really believe it.

Well, because he didn't do it anyway.

Oh, sorry.

So...

Oh, no, no.

But no, but the DNA is kind of...

Did you get into the sun?

Like, the DNA is kind of rendered defunct

by the fact that she admits that she has sex with the guy.

Yeah.

But she says that she has sex with him

and she says over and over again that they had sex.

So her being connected to him is not necessarily...

But the fingerprints on the ice pack,

like, their stuff that they would...

She's not covered in blood.

Her clothing doesn't have a trace of the blood...

She's at a person's freshly showered when he comes over.

Yeah.

I don't think that's how it works.

I just say...

If you commit a murder one day as a friend and person who loves you,

don't just shower and think you're going to get away with it.

You need to get enough for it.

That's so funny getting a call from CR, like, 233.

Man.

I took a shower.

I'm fine.

Come downtown, I did something.

I wasn't supposed to do that.

Bring a bar of Irish spray.

LAUGHTER

That's just...

Get me out of this.

Oh, no.

This is...

So what's each the worst for me?

I don't know if that is...

Wait, I got to do my week link.

Oh, you got to do your week link, sorry.

By the way, Van, I think you'd be one of my three calls.

I don't know where you rank.

Hey, bro.

Who's Carl?

We take it.

LAUGHTER

You call me...

I'm with it.

CHEERING

So I had a less auspicious week link.

So Nick, Michael Douglas' character,

attacks Nielsen, the internal affairs guys

that he gave up the files, right?

Yeah.

In front of like 30 cops, yes.

Has to be restrained.

He's like ready to fight him.

Six hours later, the guy's shutting the head.

And they're like, hey, shooter, we're going to need your gun.

Bill.

He's not in jail?

I'm so glad you brought this stuff.

He's locked up, right?

This is what I don't think you caught

in that scene where he goes into Nielsen's office.

When he goes into Marty's office and he starts like jumping on him,

Marty's boss pulls a gun.

That's a boss!

What's the two of you?

Head!

What?

What the shit is happening?

So it's just the guy now.

There are no rules in the SFPD.

Crazy.

The SFPD is going nuts.

They take the gun, put it in.

Hey, do something to him.

I'll blow your fucking hand off of you.

That's internal affairs.

It's insane.

There's no fucking law, man.

What a movie.

All right, what takes the worst?

What do you have here?

Well, so what's interesting the worst is the fact that we know too much.

We would be talking about DNA evidence.

After David Simon, we know way too much about law enforcement storytelling.

Back then, they were like, yeah, three months ago, this NART killed two tourists

while he was high on code.

Now, Fox's therapist lets promote him to homicide detective.

And have him drive the suspect who the two of them

have been making funny eyes at each other

throughout this completely inappropriate interruption.

Did they know each other?

My idea is Nick.

Find out where Katherine is.

Yeah.

And then he abandons his responsibilities altogether.

It's fucking amazing.

Watching it at the time, I was like, this is incredible.

Watching it now, you're like, I think there would probably be some reviews.

We mentioned the first sex scene is, I gotta say problematic now,

but in 1992 wasn't not problematic.

Like it was a big thing when it happened with him and Jean Triple Horn.

It was just a weird choice.

I don't really get it.

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So this really bugs me.

This could be a nip pick, but it's really what sage the words.

So they put together that Jean Triple Horn also went to college with Sharon Stone's

character and they put the photo ID.

She's got a blind wig in the photo ID, but it's the exact same photo as her now.

And it's like, this movie costs $59 million and they're just like, hey, what are we

doing with the photo?

And they just like photo shot.

I just don't understand it.

It's such an unforced error.

Great one.

What else did you have any what sage the wordspan?

No, I was all about the way Chance Stone was writing.

Did you have any more, Mel?

I think that we've alluded to this, but beyond just the general kind of shoddy work from the

SFPD, the solving of the murder, they're like that jacket fit.

So it was back.

She's got a bunch of articles in her work.

The jacket that says where she works on the back of it, which is definitely a choice

you'd make as a murderer fit.

So it's her.

I mean, that's just absolutely ludicrous.

I had that in depicts, but the same thing.

They go to the best kitchen drawer they open up.

There's all this scrapbook stuff.

And the guy goes, well, I guess that's it.

Yeah, walkers like this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Tony, now it did guilty.

Serial colors.

Serial colors.

Always keep a full binder of chronologically ordered and criminating evidence in their kitchen

drawer.

Always.

Crazy.

I think the elevator in that sequence also ridiculous.

And the fact that Nick has just had this very dramatic moment where he's like looking

at the two covers, which will they go with?

And he sees the paragraph about the detective's partner being found in the elevator.

And then Gus shows up and is like, bud, I got a call from Catherine's freshman year roommate.

Let's go.

And Nick's like, sounds good.

That all seems credible.

Let's do it.

And then he's like, I'm just going to go inside a few floors up the elevator that you

just read about.

And Nick's like, cool.

Good luck.

Yeah.

He just read the page on the printer.

And then he's killed shortly thereafter in the exact scenario that was described in the

pages.

He just read Nick.

Terrible.

Um, the last.

No one's like Beth doesn't have blood on her hands at the end.

I had a crazy.

The last 40 minutes is a what's age to worse.

They kind of yoddy on us.

Some of this stuff.

So I love this movie.

But if you stab someone with an ice pick that many times in the jugular and an elevator,

you have some blood on your hands.

Yeah.

And then I had the rip off erotic thrillers that came after this that were all pretty bad.

I think the worst one's probably color night, especially because Bruce Willis pool penis

on a 70 foot screen.

Wasn't really looking for that in 1995.

Well, um, thanks, sir, Ron.

I'm really excited for this next category.

The rough low hand and Rubenick Partridge over acting word.

Obviously goes to Michael Douglas.

He does this thing where he says the line, but then yells the last two words.

So it's like, who has access to my goddamn files?

What is this?

Some kind of joke.

This is a top.

Michael Douglas.

You're right, me man.

I just love it.

Alright, bands flex.

So you have to do how would bandaid, how would bandlay thing get out of this one, which

is an award we have sometimes.

So as best or as niche?

I think you could be, you could be any of the three characters here.

How would band get out of this one?

Pick a character and go.

I'm getting out of what though.

I don't know how bandlay thing get out of this.

Okay.

Are you're best?

How about your best?

So I'm bet.

I'm gonna be Nick, right?

Okay.

So I'm Nick and, you know, they're asking me like, why I'm hanging around Catherine.

What a reality is this, you say I don't read enough.

The woman's an author, okay?

You say I played a game too much, you say that I'm too obsessed with the dog, you say

I'm on the computer too much.

This woman's an author.

She's written books.

These books are very well regarded.

And what I'm trying to do is deepen my understanding of literature.

Now here's the deal.

If this was a male writer, you would have any problem with it.

That's right.

It's a female writer.

So while you're looking at me, what I think you actually need to look at is the mirror.

Because the reality is this is a woman, so you feel threatened.

I don't feel threatened around women because I am power women.

I believe in female writers.

I believe in female creators.

And this is a female creator.

I believe in her.

So I'm gonna keep hanging around her.

You deal with your things.

Thought to doubt the crossman on Thursday.

Now's it every time.

Gaslight.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how to take a word.

So I was working on something.

I told you earlier, I was like, I have a hottest take, but I haven't landed the plane yet.

I think the plane's still circle in the airport.

Is this movie a perverted man's version of Gilligan's Island where the professor is

caught in between the psychosexual dealings of Ginger and Mary Ann?

Or the CR is pandanaring to the audience award for safest home field take.

San Francisco is the best movie city.

Wow.

The suck up take.

I like it.

Now do you have one?

I think Catherine is a pretty generous murderer.

Oh yeah.

I mean cocaine on the penis.

Sure you're alive to see the ice pick penetrate your nose, your neck, a couple other parts of

your body, but you're shooting your load inside of her while it's happening.

Not about being aware.

Not about being aware.

Yeah.

That's fair.

Fuffle.

You could just kill them.

Exactly.

What do you got then?

You scratched my back during the flux section this over.

Okay.

I know that like I've had this conversation since 1999.

Hey bro I was in there shit like crazy dog.

She was scratching my back up.

I'm like that's it.

It's over.