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FilmSpotting SPU went on indefinite hiatus in the summer of 2018.

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co-host Alison or used to travel something like an hour each way to record

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Maybe I do have time to do a podcast again.

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unlike my prediction has absolutely exploded.

It's all streaming.

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The original incarnation of film spotting streaming video unit, which I hosted with the great Alison Wilmore.

That was, it was mostly reviewing at the time, just random theatrical films that were being added to Netflix

or to the handful of other streamers that existed at the time.

Now there are countless streaming platforms.

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So now, SPU could basically just cover movies made for streaming.

So why not do that?

Starting with one of April's new films on Apple TV Plus Outcome.

Reef Hawk.

For the last four decades, America's favorite movie star, starring in three of the biggest franchises in film history,

you've had five years off.

How are you going to frame the five years thing?

I won't say that I was hiding a heroin addiction from the public, and that my best friend's and my insane lawyer

helped me cover it up for years.

That is a really smart omission.

Strong omission.

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Co-written, directed, and co-starring Jonah Hill, Outcome follows the world's most famous movie star,

Reef Hawk, played by Keanu Reeves.

Reef Hawk, I like his namesake, is not flying high.

He's a recovering heroin addict who is neurotically obsessed with his public image,

and he's currently being blackmailed by a mystery man who claims to possess some sort of tape that could ruin his career.

And to figure out who is threatening him, Reef's Reef Hawks,

Rysus lawyer advises him to visit people he's wronged over the course of his long, drug-fueled, ego-driven career,

and apologize in order to suss out whether they might hate him enough to try to destroy him.

Oh, did I mention the crisis lawyer is played by Jonah Hill in a truly bizarre look that includes a shaved head,

a bushy gray beard, and I think, I think fake teeth?

I wasn't sure.

Did the teeth stand out to you, Jordan?

You know, there's so much going on in this film that was shocking to me that I never made it to the teeth.

I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I just wanted to mention it.

Let the viewer decide that.

Now, by the time this opportunity to bring back SVU arose, the aforementioned former co-host, my friend, Alison Wilmore,

she was already busy with a great new podcast called Critical Darlings,

which you should absolutely check out if you're not already.

So I needed a new co-host and I asked my wife, sort of my conciliary on all these matters,

professional and personal, who she thought I should pick, and she said the only choice was Jordan Hoffman.

Who if you don't know him already?

Honest.

Is a colleague of mine?

Yes, I know.

She'll appreciate that.

She's never going to listen, but if I tell her about it, she'll be like, that's nice.

He's a colleague of mine.

The degree to which my wife does not listen, read, recognize, acknowledge anything that I do to keep this roof over our head is hilarious.

I could do a podcast called The Embarrassing Thing My wife did this week and run it for three years and she never know.

Maybe we should make that a recurring segment on this show and see if they ever catch.

Well, the unfortunate thing is that my wife doesn't ever do anything.

She's always right and it's the classic Alice Grandin situation where she...

You actually think she is listening right now because I don't know.

No, no, no.

It's unfortunately she is always right.

But if she ever was wrong and I wanted to do a thing on it, anyway, back to how much your wife loves me.

Yes, while I was trying to say your credits when you interrupted me.

But yes, tell me if I get any of this wrong.

My credits where Alison was busy, that's my credit.

Is that Alison couldn't do the podcast and so I'm here.

But I'm happy to be here.

Happy to be with the listeners, the longstanding listeners of the SVU and film spotting prime.

And you know, I believe I'm here with Alison's blessing.

You were going to text her and ask her for benediction. Did you do that?

I did.

It would be a very nice note and I can read it to you later if you would like.

Oh, okay.

She's...

I'll dig it up while we're talking and we'll read it a little later in the show.

Okay.

But yes, you're being very modest but you are a member of the New York Film Critic Circle,

a former chair of the New York Film Critic Circle.

Sure.

A great critic and author, podcaster.

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The world's foremost expert on obscure Star Trek novels.

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And tragically a huge fish fan.

We're not going to hold that against you here.

I do love the bandfish and fish is coming to...

Well, actually, they're about to play the scene.

No, I don't see you.

Jordan, I don't know.

This was not an invitation to discuss fish.

All right.

Well, later this summer when fish is in local and I go see them, maybe we'll bring it up somehow in a streaming context.

Wonderful.

Now, let's get to our review.

Traditionally, on film spotting, all reviews begin with a question from a host to the next.

So, Jordan here is my question to you.

Go for it.

After watching outcome.

Yes.

After watching Keanu Reeves play Reef Hawk, a morose recovering heroin addicted, jerk of a movie star.

After watching Joni Hill yell at him while literally taking a dump on camera.

Yeah.

Do you regret agreeing to host this podcast with me?

Well, if it depends on what the outcome of the next five or six months,

five or six movies are, I will say a lot of the movies that we're going to highlight are not a lot of a lot of great movies debut on streaming.

Not at this time of the year, though, usually, like what the train dreams is coming in October, November, right?

The sort of quality motion pictures that are then remembered with Oscar nominations.

They're, they're coming.

And then there are some peppered throughout that that are always great.

The fines and that we're going to be highlighting on this show as like, hey, it's very deep, but this is really good.

But unfortunately, a lot of them are still there is a divide and quality between a regular movie and a direct to streaming movie.

And boy, oh boy, is Jonah Hills outcome a prime example of a real piece of garbage.

This movie is actually so bad that I'm glad it is the first one because we're going to be able for weeks, perhaps even months.

We're going to be able to say, well, it's not as bad as outcome because this one is is transcendentally bad.

It's bad in a level that like you have to go and sit in a lotus position and try to become one with badness.

And that's what this film is. It's, it's truly, truly terrible.

And I can't wait. I'm assuming that you agree with me that it's pretty, pretty damn rotten, right?

You don't think Alison will be covering this one on the Critical Darling's podcast.

We're saying it is only on, only on opposite day, maybe.

Right. Right. Yeah. It's pretty, it's pretty rank.

Yes. It is, I would say that it is, it is fundamentally like misconstructed on almost every level.

Like everything about it is just, is bizarre. In a way that it's almost fast, it's, it's fascinating to watch.

It's certainly not good. And it's not even necessarily like interesting compelling to watch.

But just trying to like, and I've now seen this movie twice, which I never going to forgive this podcast.

Why, how twice?

Because I watched it and then I wanted to watch it again and be really prepared here because I was, you know, I really wanted to see because it's not just...

That's just, that's the difference between you and me right there.

No, but like I said, this is, I definitely did not enjoy this movie and I did not think it was a good movie.

But it's, some of the choices that are made here by Jonah Hill are so strange.

It's beyond just like, oh, this is bad.

It's like, what was he thinking? What was he, why? Like everything about it.

And I really was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and see if, if I really kind of hunker down with this thing a second time, will anything about this make any more sense to me?

And it really didn't, if anything, it was like I disliked it more the second time.

It feels like it's in a blender and it's also 80 minutes because they barely had a movie there and they, they got through by the skin of their teeth.

I mean, the crimes of this movie are both in the form and the content.

The, like the, the, the, the form of it is that bothers me is it looks like it was shot with like the laziest Instagram filter over it.

The saturated color. I, I guess they're going for something and it just looked ugly.

Right.

There were shots where I'm like, I cannot tell if that's a blue screen or not.

Are they really on a port or a patio overlooking the water or your more generous than I am.

So, so reef, reef hawk, which is a name that has said so many times in this movie and it doesn't get any weirder or stranger, the more you hear it.

He lives in like a, you know, a beautiful beach house overlooking the Pacific Ocean.

And I had in my notes like if there is a beach house and they filmed at an actual beach house with like the actual ocean behind them, even one time,

I don't believe it because it looks so artificial what you're describing as the whole film is shot with this like strange warm toned filter.

Deep like, like these really intense yellows and browns and and so many of the shots that are in this house and especially the ones that are overlooking the ocean, they just, yeah, they look like they were shot on a green screen.

It looks like the room. It look, the room looks better. Those shots of them on the roof of the room look more realistic than this film.

Oh, hi, I got it. I got it. Now, I don't know if that was like by design, like if, if, if, clearly it's a choice, but again, this is one of those things that I was watching and going, why?

What is the point of this? Because, because the movie, and I think you want you, you want to probably talk about this, it's like it's attempting to say something.

Yes, there is about celebrity, about fame, about social media, and about our world, I would think.

And yet, it seems to exist in this bizarre, gauzy, as you put it, Instagram filter that, unless it's part of the commentary about our social media.

Yeah, but I don't think so. It doesn't land. It doesn't land. And, and you're right. Like, it does, there are segments of the film where it just shifts into drama.

Very quickly, and it's just laughable because it's just, it's not fit. But before we even get to that, I mean, I have to say this, and this is a little controversial.

Canaries is, is beloved. This is great. We love it. It's the first new episode. We need, we need some hot takes. Let's go.

I, I, I know that Keanu Reeves is beloved by many. And that's, that's cool. No, I, I feel that Keanu Reeves can is quite good at certain things.

He's very good in, in speed. I know that was 30 years ago, but like that sort of thing. They're the first John Wick. I think the later John Wick's get a little annoying. But, you know, he's good at being a steely action star determined to do, you know, to, to just be, to be personifying action.

You know, in the matrix, sure, the Matt, the first matrix is great. You know, he played off of his bill and Ted. I mean, the, the part in the matrix was, whoa, I know kung fu. I think that's about, that's the only time really for me that he nailed comedy was, whoa, I know kung fu that line in the matrix.

I feel like Keanu Reeves is talented at so many things. He's certainly a great athlete. He can jump around and shoot guns better than anybody. He's not a gifted comic performer. He has no, he's, he's like a block of concrete when it comes to this. And he has to be funny in this. He is sort of the straight man in this story.

He's like, like be wildered, be fuddled straight man in the center of, I have a hurricane of like getting canceled and modern Hollywood. He's trying to be a little bit like the Warren, baby persona of like a little bit like, oh, what?

But handsome and still carers matted right and it just does not work. He does not have that kind of charisma. He's charismatic. Don't get me wrong. I've been in the same room with Keanu Reeves. He's a charming fella. But he can't do this. There's still they're trying to put around peg in a square hole.

And I have to wonder if Keanu Reeves was the first choice for this for this role was and did several other performers say to Mr. Hill, I don't want to choose not to do it.

Because even the reef hawk is suppose he's a two time Oscar winner. Yes, like he's supposed to be a Leonardo DiCaprio. He's he's yeah he's Brad Pitt. He is. Yes, he's not Keanu. Like Keanu is great. I love Keanu and certainly the internet loves him. And he's cool. I mean, I'd love to hang out with Keanu.

But he's not a two time Oscar winner. He's not he's not a good actor. He's good in speed and John Wick. He's not a good actor actor. So he's not Leo. He's not for Ed Pitt. He's not Clooney or or any of these others.

Daniel DeLuis and Keanu are not I mean, forgive me. I sure I'm sure I'm angering some people who have Keanu posters on their wall getting ready to say bring back Allison Wilmore, which I agree. But you know, he's ridiculous. I mean, come on. It's a point. He sucks in this. He's awful. Now the movie is Jonah Hillsfall. He's the director and co writer and co-producer. This is all his project. And it's apples fault for giving him the money in the first place.

But Keanu does not take the ball and run with it. Like Susan Lutri's in it for five minutes. She's funny. You know, there's some other. She is funny. Who else shows up for five minutes? Martin Scorsese shows up for five. Funny. Scorsese is probably the best performance in the movie. He does. And the little kid that Scorsese is with and the and the old clip of Joey Lawrence was funny. Right.

And you Barrymore shows up and sucks also. She's terrible in her camera. All right, let's get hold on before we get ahead of ourselves. Let me let me weigh in on this Keanu on your key. I wouldn't say it's a hot take. It's a more like a warm take.

Let me let me say this. I think I'm I'm more overall. I'm I'm a higher opinion of Keanu than you. I also think he can do comedy. You didn't mention the Bill and Ted movies, which I believe are comedies. And he's quite good in all of those movies.

He's doing one joke. I mean, he's just being the dumb stoner kid. I mean, he's fun. And if for sure, that's another thing he can do. Well, but I think where we would might find some common ground essentially is that I think he is just like just completely miscast in this role. And not because he's playing a huge movie.

Movie star. He is a big movie star. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt there. But this is what I sort of objected to and what I really landed on after seeing this Fakakta thing twice is.

Keanu Reeves, maybe not to everyone, maybe not to Jordan, but to me and to a lot of people. I think he kind of he radiates this very likable persona. Right. I agree with you. He doesn't have the biggest range. He is not a chameleonic presence. He does not disappear into roles. But he has this kind of innate likability.

You like the guy you like watching him. He is charismatic. And you kind of root for him. You root for him in Bill and Ted. And you even root for him in John Wick franchise where at this point, John Wick has killed more people than Thanos at this point. He's murdered.

You know, a small nation's worth of people, but you keep rooting for him. And I think a big reason why is because Keanu just kind of he like exudes this kind of goodness and this like Bill, like Jackie Chan. He's tapping to something that that is he can kill all the people he wants. And he's still like a completely agree.

Now that isn't the opposite of what reef hawk is in this movie. Reef hawk reef hawk reef hawk to a.

He exactly he is this guy who we learn is now he's a recovering addict. And now he's sort of he kind of like is trying to make amends, but we learn that for most of his life, he was a basically a monster and

he's a humaniacal monster. And even now that he is sort of trying to make amends, he is incredibly narcissistic. He's constantly googling himself, which is could be a funny bit in a movie like this. I actually don't hate that idea. Yeah.

But I just don't think I like Keanu Reeves looks like the most unnarodic movie star in the world. And they have cast him kind of. And this is another thing I wanted to talk about is like to what extent.

Do I believe Keanu Reeves has ever googled himself in his life? No, no, absolutely not absolutely not. But Jonah has that was my question. Do we think Jonah Hill has ever googled himself. And I would bet my bank account that he has. And that's what's going on here is that the movie to some extent is Jonah Hill making a movie about being Jonah Hill.

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This is the elephant in the room here. This is sort of the main aspect of this thing.

Is that this movie is about Jonah Hills uncomfortableness? Is that a word? No, but his discomfort.

Thank you. Is about Jonah Hills discomfort with his own celebrity.

Now I happen to, I happen to really like Jonah Hill or I did before I watched outcome.

And he's somebody that has annoyed many people in our line of work.

In addition to writing about films and appearing on podcasts, we also interview actors sometimes.

A lot of people who have interviewed Jonah Hill have had bad experiences doing so.

I've interviewed him several times and have only had good experiences.

Really? Yeah, no, it's weird because everybody has come away going, boy, that guy is a real dick.

I have, maybe it's, I mean, listen, we are both full-figured Jewish guys.

Maybe he saw in me.

And I believe his brother's name is late brother. It was named Jordan, I think, isn't that the case?

We'll have to look this up. I think that was some maybe, and I'm a little older than he is. So who knows?

But I don't know. For whatever reason, he and I have always gotten along. We're pals.

I've been to like three times and it's always been like, hey, great interview with Jonah Hill. What a blast.

Anyway, and I was always rooting for him. And then like he got a little nuts.

I mean, a lot of it is, you know, he was overweight, then he lost the weight, then he gained the weight back.

And this is, you know, this is something that can make people very, who are very self-conscious, who are certainly in the public eye, who every time, you know, he loses five pounds is this, you know, E and EW and all these trashy outlets are.

Making pictures of that. And then, and then he did do some, some acting that people weren't expecting. Like he was in the goofy comedies. And then he was a money ball. And he got the Oscar nomination. Holy cow.

And Wall Street.

And Wolf of Wall Street. He's phenomenal on that.

Absolutely.

He deserved the, he was robbed out of the Oscar that year. And then he did some other things. And then he directed his, I believe it was his first feature mid 90s.

And that was good. Yes.

Not a masterpiece. Yes.

But it was quality. Yes.

So I'm like, hey, this guy is pretty great. And then some, you know, he didn't get canceled. He didn't do anything too bad.

But there were some leaked emails about like he kind of treated his girlfriend poorly. I don't know how much we want to get into his tabloid stuff.

But you can read these, you can just like we suspect allegedly that Jonah Hill may have you can Google these things yourself. If you're sure, yeah, yeah, like he didn't, he didn't assault anyone, but he was a weirdo.

I mean, but he's an actor. And he's a Hollywood actor who's been famous and rich for for a long time. He's going to go nuts. So he did some.

And then he made a documentary about his shrink. And then he refused to do press about the documentary about his shrink. And that's when I said to myself, Jonah Hill is so far up his own has the human ever come back.

He has made this movie outcome and my instinct was correct that he is, he is still up there. Yeah. And I'd like for him to come back because I do think he is tremendously talented. He's certainly very funny.

And he's not funny in this, but he can be funny. And I'm still rooting for the guy. Like I think, you know, maybe his next movie, Hill, it's amazing that Martin Scorsese of all people is like if there was one guy that could have taken a look at the script and said, hey, buddy, you know, revise, revise.

Don't do this because there are so first of all, there are just so many movies lampooning Hollywood and you know how you know how how a fake it is. It's like it's like,

another topic, please, there's so many other topics in the world, especially because, you know, it kind of your, your older brother, so to speak Seth Rogan is doing it so well on the studio. Yeah. It's like it's so embarrassing. You look at the studio. It's like, oh, it's

pretty damn good. Yeah, that's not a favorable comparison.

And he will always be compared to Seth Rogan because of course Seth Rogan wrote, um,

right Seth Rogan wrote super bad. Of course. And then Jordan for it. I wrote people listening will not be aware, but you will be aware of this. Yes.

I wrote a book about 2000 errors Hollywood comedies that's coming out this fall called money. Funny business. Make sure you preorder your copy now.

And so I, I have been immersed in that world the last years and watching all of Jonah Hills early performances, including super bad, including knocked up,

including 40 year old virgin where he basically launched his career by having one very funny scene that he was basically handed on a day where it was raining essentially.

And the crew couldn't shoot what they were supposed to shoot. And he had been hired to play this tiny role in this scene in Catherine Keener's ebay store where he wants to buy these boots.

And because they had nowhere to go and they thought Jonah Hill was funny. They're like, let Jonah Hill annoy Catherine Keener and let's see what happens.

And then the scene went well and they threw it into a test screening and it killed in the test screening.

Um, so I guess I'll just give you some money and you can give me these shoes and you know, I know it seems so strange.

Yeah, so I just rather buy them from you straight up. Yeah, I know I wish it could be that easy, but I wish too, but you're making it extremely difficult for me.

I'm just trying to get these shoes back to my house so I can wear them. It basically launched his career.

I never knew that. That's great. Boy, if you want to hear more stories like that, pick up funny business available this October.

And I do remember the first time I clocked Jonah Hill was was knocked up, which by the way, that movie like that kids can vote now, right?

How old is knocked up? It's practically 20 years old. Two that yeah to oh for sure. It's 2006, 2007.

So almost 20 that the knocked up kid could potentially be knocking someone else up or be knocked up herself to anyone her gender. So anyway, I'm not my point.

Let me let me say one more thing about please, please, please say more, please, because I just we we clearly strongly dislike this movie.

Yes, but I there, you know, like real visiting all those old movies, I he he is a phenomenally funny actor.

And as you said, he made a good movie before. And I'm just again just absolutely baffled what like what he was trying to do.

You mentioned he's lost his mind. You mentioned about a shrink and who does that?

You mentioned the studio and it's like is this movie a satire of Hollywood? You mentioned these issues that you know again very Googleable if you want to read about what he was accused of.

Just you know or just just the sort of stuff that was in the press about him. And so you wind up with this movie again reef hawk, not Jonah, but reef hawk has something hanging over him.

And he's sort of like mortally petrified of being canceled. That's essentially the hook of the movie, the muguffin of the movie.

We like that canceled.

But at the same time, instead of like kind of and there are all these sort of things in the movie about you know being canceled and the sort of ecosystem of cancel it, you know, cancellation online.

There's a bumper sticker that says, honk, if you can separate the art from the artist, there is bizarre pictures of canceled celebrities on the walls of Jonah Hills characters office like Kevin Kanye.

Kanye is one is in Kevin Spacey also in one and the Clintons are there. It's you know there's all these very strange sort of at you know canceled, you know celebrities, people controversial people.

And it's I guess is sort of trying to like reckon with whether that is fair as if and look more power to him that Jonah Hill is somehow reckoning with what happened to him.

And perhaps he'll see got a you know an unfair shake.

And I mean he did and he did. First of all, yeah, I people whining about cancel culture is annoying. I mean, even though it's not always 84 minute movie about it essentially.

It's not always fair, but it's usually like, oh shut up, you know, and then the thing is this, if unless I forgot that he did something truly bad, what he did was he was a real dick to his girlfriend about like she was a surfer and he wanted her to stop surfing because it made it gave him the jelly beans.

He was jealous because because her surfing coach was a hot stud probably and he's all been there right. And so he's like, I want you to stop surfing. She's like surfing is my life. And he's like, you must you know you he was just like a noxious.

He was a bad boyfriend.

And he wasn't a bad boy. He was just like just the jerk and also like embarrassingly insecure. And I'm like, you're first of all, you're rich, you're famous. Everybody likes you except for the press.

You know people who interview you don't like you. But like the average man in the street likes you. It's like, don't be a jerk to your girlfriend. Now granted, he had bigger issues going on psychologically, which is why he saw the shrink. And then even more.

And he's like, I had to make a documentary about my shrink like anybody gives a shit. PS I never watch that documentary about a shrink. And I'm sure nobody has who whatever.

Who wants to watch it? We about somebody else's shrink. Give me a break. It's like listening to somebody else. Tell you about their dreams. Good. God. So anyway, the point is this. The guy is funny. And I'm still rooting for him. I just think he this is it. This is what's going to snap him back. Get his act together. Make a real movie with a story. Not about your own navel.

Right. And I guess. But the fact that his his spiritual older brother Seth Rogan is killing it with a Hollywood. Then which does talk about cancellation. There's a lot of funny cancel. I mean, that's true.

Yes.

A lot of the studios like, are we going to get canceled? They don't know who to cast as the cool aid man. If they cast a black person as the cool aid man, will they get canceled? That's all very funny stuff.

So alone runs laps around this movie. And I think that's that's a good comparison and a good point because what I was also going to say is, you know, obviously,

Joni Hill feels something very strongly about the stuff in this movie. Yeah, because it happened to him. And so that should be wise enough to know nobody else cares. Well, what might maybe, but I was going to say, I believe a good movie could have sprung from, you know, most good movies come from whatever

Misha Goss is going on in the mind of the filmmaker that's making it. But in this case, there's again, it comes down to choices and the choices here are so strange casting a very likable Keanu Reeves as this monstrous movie star with a huge ego who's unbelievably neurotic.

You know, there's this and then just doing making it into a like this movie cannot decide whether it's a serious investigation of cancel culture or this goofy comedy.

And all of the all of the comedy is bad in this movie. And that includes Joni Hill's performance as the crisis lawyer.

And he won the toilet. So it's right. And it's and it is so broad and absurd. And again, it's like,

what regardless of what is drawn from Joni Hill's autobiography and his life here, I'm going to guess in his travels in Hollywood, he has encountered, you know, people who make a living being crisis lawyers and dealt with these sorts of issues.

And in this movie, this crisis lawyer character, now maybe Joni Hill actually did interviews, he'd tell us, oh, this is just like a person I met.

But this guy is so obnoxious and he's a creature. He's not even quite funny and loud. And it's like, let's say you were Jordan, say you let's, and it's not that hard to imagine.

You were the world's biggest movie star. And let's just say for a minute that you are convinced that there is a tape out there of you that could, you know, destroy your career.

Yeah, you saying you hate Star Trek or something like that, destroy your career. And you go to see your crisis lawyer.

And he makes you go into the toilet with him. And then he like goes on this whole thing like where he assembles a team of other helpers, but he introduces them almost like it's a like a basketball, yeah, WWE or a basketball introduction, what would you do?

You would get up, you would walk out of the room, you would fire this man and you would never speak to him again. And so the beat, you know, like the, I'm all for comedies.

Yeah, the beast there has to be some sort of base level of of like reality reality or if not reality plausibility. And we're just we're in a world where nothing makes sense.

Where he out of dreams is playing a jerk where Jonah Hill is the worst crisis lawyer and he's the guy he's having to do something what is going on.

Yeah, and then the other thing I kind of talk about Jonah Hill on the toilet for a second because it's just so like because that's like early on, you know what would be great is we've talked about this movie so long already this movie is only 80 minutes.

We might talk about outcome longer that out we should we deserve it deserves it. Let's do it. Okay, talk about more about it on the toilet. Please.

It's like it's the first time you see him in the in the stomach rumbles and it's like cut to he's still giving his monologue is on the toilet. It's a funny visual, but like where does it go with it?

It just goes with like it smells and then Ivy woke comes in and she's she's like it stinks in here.

And Bikiano's just like to standing there like it just doesn't go anywhere except for it's the fact that he's taking a dump and it's just so awful, but it made me think about something.

You know, Artemis is in space.

And maybe think about this.

Artemis is in a friend this home. I want to see how you do it. Go ahead.

Artemis was just in space, but now it's back.

When I watched outcome Artemis was in space and you have these four people shitting next to each other and one of them is a woman.

And one of them is a Canadian also to make it even worse.

But so I was reading about their going to the bathroom and at least now there's two things they have a little curtain for when they have to do number two and number one.

And they also have a like a powered toilet, you know, like they vacuum like kind of from 2001 or you know when they do their business because of no gravity in space as you know, it sucks out the material from your from your orifices, which led me to this.

This is a new itch development. They had an ISS.

Apollo astronauts who we love, right?

We're talking about. We love them. We love them. The famous Apollo astronauts Tom Hanks.

Gary Sinise.

Little Paxton and Gary Sinise. Well, Gary Sinise stayed below.

And Bacon went.

Okay, sorry.

Gary Sinise could do so all day long and I have to worry about it.

Do you know?

Yeah.

Matt Singer.

I can guarantee I do not know before you say that.

The Taylor and the listeners of film spotting SVU do you know how the Apollo astronauts are brave American heroes?

Do you know how they defecated in space back in the 1960s and early 70s?

I don't.

I only learned this this week because of Artemis and because of outcome.

It all comes from outcome.

It went like this.

First of all, no sheet.

No separation.

Michael Collins, Buzz Aldrin.

And and Neil Armstrong were just when it was time to go they're like well-fillers

I got a drop anchor and they would just take down their pants and do their business

They went in a bag now here's a thing like imagine a big ziplock bag

Okay, and they would put it around there

They would spread their cheeks and do their thing floating in space. They could be upside down doing it

God knows what next to the other two guys. Yeah, maybe they said please turn your head. I don't know

This is true

I'm not making this up the special bags that NASA created because you know everything they've created velcro

NASA created all these things because of space

It had like a a power like a hand like you know in like the Andromeda strain type movies when they put their hands into

Or like THX 1138 when they have to put their hands into with thing and it's got like little fingers

But they're still protected. Yes

Hot room. Yes, so the giant ziplock bag that they're taking a dump into also had a hole

With a hand pouch so you'd be crouched over the thing and you'd put your hand into the bag

But the hand would be protected so you wouldn't touch anything and you would have to yank

Forgive me listeners. You would have to yank the turd out of the the anus

because

Because there's no gravity

It would just otherwise linger like a tail. It would be there forever and they would have to do

Days before getting you know the ticker tape parade of buzzwalls are in a Neil Armstrong days earlier

They were floating around

Float in space with their hand up a thing yanking their

Fecal matter out. I was stunned. I was reading this on my laptop shocked

Outcome was still going by the way because I was I got I did I forgot you had checked out

I had checked out of outcome and I was thinking about Artemis and I was thinking about all because of Jonah Hill on the toilet and

I mean I have known about the Nastra asnostas before I was born, you know

Before and you too we all we never knew a time

We're young enough that we never knew a time when man had not walked on the moon if I'd known that this is what they had to do

You would have become an astronaut

No, I would have I would have said they should have stayed home. It's not worth it

I mean Artemis they've got it worked out the other thing. I didn't like about outcome

Wait, I want to say one thing please do the

This that incredibly long and disgusting story. I think again illustrates

What we're trying to get at here, which is you could make a like

What you're describing is a great premise for a stupid

Jonah Hill Seth Rogen movie

Like astronauts in space and what do they do when they have to take a dump and it's uncomfortable that's funny

what's not funny is

an a crisis lawyer

eating and going oh my stomach rumbles

I need the restroom and then the scene continues in the restroom where you're again if your crisis lawyer made you go into the bathroom with him

You would fire him immediately

I completely agree all right

Let's wrap this up. Is there anything else?

Is there anything else we need to touch on that hopefully does not involve

Interstellar defecation no no very quickly

He's on this

Vision quest where he has to go and visit all the people that's wronged him his mother played by Susan luchy his ex manager played by martin scorsese

other people and

A lot of those scenes

Very serious and it's like a little monologue. I forget who was the actress who um

She was actually quite I mean her performance was good

But it's like what am I watching here? What why is this so serious and she's giving a monologue

I just met her 30 seconds ago

Now she's giving a monologue

It's a good monologue and and it's about how she was wronged by key anorees

But you have no emotional investment in any of this and then the movie moves on and it moves on to the next monologue

And I just found that to be such a collision of genres

It was further evidence that that mr. Hill his scrup his co-writer

And this whole production was just a botched disaster and this movie should never have been made

Well again, where we've now talked. I don't know the exact timing

But something like 40 plus minutes maybe about this film and it took this long to even mention

Cameron Diaz is in this movie

She isn't it's not very good

And so is met uh bomber another actor who we I don't think we've even mentioned him yet either

No, cuz he's that he's annoying in it also I mean because it's not his fault

David spade is also in this movie did we mention that again, but it is a series of scenes where

You know one-on-one or one-on-two scenes where key anorees goes to speak to someone and they sit and I mean it is the almost the the textbook definition of tell don't show

Which is the not the way you're supposed to do it and and it just them it is again that is yet another strange choice

That I cannot under understand about this

I guess intended to be this kind of probing

consideration of celebrity and cancel culture

But it's also only 80 minutes long and it is filled with jokes about you know pooping and

It's just a very very strange object and as you said many many minutes ago if it is not the worst thing we review on

On this podcast for the foreseeable future. We are in real trouble. We are maybe another eight-year

Coming the title is the title is also upon maybe yes, I don't want we don't want to spoil why but it is yeah

It's a little bit of a pun it took me I

The movie it was like maybe even the next day when it hit me. I'm like. Oh, that was a pun. Okay. I'm glad that thinking about the

You know the bathroom rituals of

astronauts did not take you away from appreciating that brilliant

pun in the title outcome

which if

If and after this conversation, I'm sure someone's gonna go I got to see this and yeah

It's a you kind of have to it's so bad

It's just you know if you have apple plus already you might as well throw it on just for a few minutes

If you were to do our out of ten what would you give this to let a number grade out of ten

out of ten

Maybe a lufa I don't know I don't know I maybe a three

Real I was gonna go to I was gonna go to

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All right, well that was our

That was our review of outcome among other discussion points

But let's let's say you don't have Apple TV plus and do you have no intention of subscribing in this case?

Maybe that's a good thing

Or maybe you want to watch a movie about Hollywood that's

Not incredibly bad or maybe your name is actually reef hawk

And you can't bear the thought of watching another person named reef hawk

Suffer because the world is a cruel place to wealthy handsome movie stars who treat everyone in their lives badly

well

Jordan and I can help with that. We each have a related recommendation for you as an alternative or maybe

A supplement to outcome

Will you do you think do you think reef is short for for

Reefer reef when I was saying what would be short for

Reefland where is that a name?

Well is reef a name. I mean, I mean, I mean

I mean

It's probably a nickname is pine name or red alpha. I mean red alpha red alpha

Quote red alpha hawk

Hawk could be a last name that I'm gonna accept

But reef is I'm well, I don't know. I mean, I mean they call him. I mean the movie opens

You know what we should talk more about outcome

But the movie open

The movie opens with a clip of it's actually I mean I recognize the clip it's Joey Lauren

It's Joey Lauren's from blossom as a five-year-old on the tonight show and they have Johnny Carson

Introduce him and instead of saying Joey Lauren's he says please welcome reef hawk

Bad dubbing and but he calls him reef

So if he had a nickname he added his whole life

My point wait. I just had a brilliant idea that was in no way Texas to me by our producer Sam

This is totally my idea.

Reef is Jonah Hill's way of apologizing

to his former girlfriend who was the the surfer.

I that's my practice not not Sam Sam cracked it.

All right, we got a re yeah, Sam let's stop down.

We're going to re record the first.

I'm going to I now love the movie.

It is now a masterpiece.

No, let's get to our recommendation or recommend.

You go first.

You want me to go first here?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I go ahead.

Okay, well, we talked quite a bit during our review of outcome about a lot of things,

but one of the things we talked about was Keanu Reeves, an actor I do like.

For my themed recommendation, I'm going to give you not only another Keanu Reeves movie,

but another recent Keanu Reeves movie, and one that I think really underlines how bad of a choice

he was for outcome.

And it's the movie Good Fortune, which came out just last year.

It was written and directed by Enkostar's Zezan Sorry.

He plays a gig worker who swaps lives with a wealthy tech bro played by another person we mentioned

quite a few times in that segment, even though he's not involved in that movie,

poor man, to be affiliated with it without actually being affiliated with it, Seth Rogen.

And this whole body swap scenario is due to the actions of a well intentioned but slightly inept

guardian angel who is played by the one and the only reef hawk.

I'm sorry, Keanu Reeves.

And we kind of talked about this in the review, but in outcome,

Joni Hill casts Keanu as like a bad dude.

He's a narcissist.

He only cares about himself.

He's only making amends to these people because he's trying to figure out who's holding this blackmail material.

And I just don't, again, I don't think that is what Keanu Reeves is good for, especially at this point in his life.

Again, I talked about it.

You think about him as Jon Wick.

You think about him as Bill and Ted.

You just think about him as this guy who you just like.

You know, and I feel like if guardian angels exist, they probably would have a kind of genial Zen vibe like Keanu Reeves has.

So he is the perfect guy to play that sort of role.

And he's wonderful in good fortune.

He is the best part of the film.

The rest of the film, I would say, is only okay.

The story is, I think, conceptually sound, but again, kind of like outcome.

It crams a lot into a short movie.

It's a little longer than outcome, but it's only like 95 minutes.

And you have the stories of Aziz, you have Seth Rogen, you have Keanu, and you also have a like a fourth main character played by Kiki Palmer, who's like another gig worker.

And there's body swaps and all this stuff about, you know, the divine and social commentary about how we relate to the world through these apps now like Uber Eats and, you know,

apps like that.

And, you know, there's all this kind of commentary about wealth.

And there's jokes about the Will Smith movie hitch.

It just feels like a season of television that has been kind of crammed into a feature.

But if you want to see Keanu being good, you know, right now or last year.

He is so good in that movie.

And it's not just that, well, he's kind of, it's a better fit for him.

You know, part of the movie without spoiling too much involves his character becoming mortal and experiencing mortal pleasures for the first time.

And just the one scene in that movie where Keanu Reeves eats a cheeseburger for the first time is more fun and just more satisfying than the entirety.

Of the movie that we spent 90 minutes talking about at the start of this show.

Wow.

Jeff, could you imagine these strawberries for thousands of years?

But never actually knowing the sweet taste enclosed in those magical berries?

I can't imagine. And in all fairness, that's a chocolate milkshake.

You know, it's funny. I, I never saw it.

You know, I don't know why it slipped. It was one of those ones that slipped through the cracks.

I did want to see it. I like a Z's a lot.

It just slipped through the cracks. And I forgot about its existence until right.

Thank God for a show like film spotting SVU because this is a recent movie that's now on streaming.

Yes.

I really, I really should have checked out because it's it looked funny and, you know, and like I say, I'm a, I like everybody involved, but I am a,

I don't know why I didn't see. I'm a huge as these fans. I'm, I'm, I'm team disease.

You and a lot of people, this movie was a theatrical comedy. It did not do well.

Movie theaters are not a great place for us in that week that I didn't go. What was in my life?

Was it a summertime thing or was it terrified to think about who you were thinking about pooping that week?

I'll stop. Please. I'm a man of character. I don't talk about those things.

Okay.

But at any event, it is, it is a movie where it's, it's a good streaming movie because it's not perfect, but it has some nice elements to it.

And I think best of all is Keanu. And compared to outcome, it's basically, it's a wonderful life.

So no, it did poorly at the box office and made less than it cost. It came out in mid October. That's a busy time.

And I just slipped through the cracks. I apologize. And Sandra always in it too.

Yes. Another great cast. So yes, even McKinley Henderson is in this movie as another angel.

Oh my God. That's right. That's right. Sherry Cola. She's funny too.

You're just going to risk great. Just keep saying what you see Jordan.

Oh my God. Yeah. Penny Johnson, Gerard Cassidy Yeats from Deep Space Nine is in this movie.

Oh, well, here we go. Can I give you my recommendation?

He's going to put, let me just tell people where they can watch it. First of all, on the television.

I don't know. One of those. They can watch it on stars.

Oh stars. Or you can rent it on various digital platforms.

Yeah. That's the one. They're all everything's on Amazon for $3.99 or Apple for $3.99 or what's the other one?

Fandango at home. There's one more. But like, Buzuga or something like that is some stupid name.

No, there's another one of those things that nobody uses. That's like a streaming. That's a $3.99.

Everybody uses only Amazon. We have a graphic designer who can make a Buzuga shirt.

Because I want a Buzuga shirt. Hold on. What's the one? Is it Boo Goo or something?

I've never used Boo Goo. Voodoo. Voodoo. VU-DU. That's what it is. Voodoo. Voodoo. Okay.

You've heard of voodoo, right? Sure. How you got from voodoo to Buzuga.

Zuga. There was something silly. No one on planet Earth has ever used Voodoo.

If you want to pay the $3.99, it's Amazon or Apple. That's Pepsi and Coke. Those are the only two options.

Watch. Voodoo is now going to want to sponsor this show. And I'm going to have to delete all this. But let's, but you should watch it on stars.

Watch it on stars. Yes. All right. What is your, what is your related recommendation?

I'm going to make it quick. First of all, much like grief hawk made a mens to those that he wronged.

I would like to make a mens a little bit to Jonah Hill. I was pretty harsh on him about his current slate of films.

He's in the doghouse now. He's made a couple of stinkers. But he can be good.

I liked his film mid 90s, which he directed and probably wrote or co-wrote.

But something that he was in that nobody remembers and is relatively recent is a pretty good movie.

It's not a great movie, but it's a good streaming movie. I would not recommend going to the theater to watch it.

It's a film that came out in 2018 called Don't Worry. He won't get far on foot. Did you see this film?

You know, I'm trying to remember if I did or not. I may not have. Yeah, it was not a big success.

It is an Amazon film that did have a theatrical run, which even today Amazon hasn't really well, no, they finally cracked the code now with the project.

Hail Mary, that's probably their first true bonafide hit.

And yet do we see Ryan Gosling pooping it one time into a bag not once.

Anyway, well, you got to read the book for that. So the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Amazon put out. Don't worry. He won't get far on foot very quickly.

It's written and directed by Gus Van Sant, who's made a lot of wonderful movies and he's made a few clunkers as well.

And it is based on a true story about a fellow by the name of John Callahan and John Callahan was a satirical cartoonist.

And he was a quadriplegic and recovering alcoholic and it's the John Callahan story. It's a very sad.

But the movie's not sad. It's very darkly comic movie about a guy who finds sobriety and happiness after a very, very long struggle.

And he's a deeply, deeply alcoholic person, a very troubled person. And he gets into a car accident and he, you know, he can't walk. He can't move.

And then he's struggling and he's depressed and he's drinking more. And then over time, he finds meaning in life by becoming a cartoonist and also through sobriety.

And he's a pretty standard 12 steps movie. I mean, it's nothing too original to about a guy becoming sober. And there's there are many great films about this.

The lead actor is the lead performance is played by walking Phoenix and he's very, very good in it. And his sponsor, his AA sponsor is Jonah Hill. And he's almost unrecognizable in the film.

And the first movie he made when he really changed his look. I mean, I saw this movie at its world premiere of the Sundance Film Festival. And I didn't barely knew anything about it. I didn't even know Jonah Hill was in it.

And I swear to you, it took a couple of scenes for me to go, oh my God, that's Jonah Hill. It was like the first time I saw him, he was really thin. He had long blonde hair. And he's playing a hippie California rich gay.

And he's a AA sponsor who's very like philosophical and funny. And he basically gets walking Phoenix on on the path to righteousness. And he's very, very, very good in the supporting role.

I don't know, John Callahan. I'm serious. I'm serious. Sometimes I just make jokes because I get nervous. But I need something.

Well, every day, like clockwork at 4 p.m., I get massively depressed.

Well, I'm depressed in the moment I wake up. So I got you there. Listen, we're having a group talk. My place on Saturday. Why don't you drop by?

The movie does not revolutionize doesn't reinvent the wheel. It's a pretty standard sobriety film. It's good. Walking Phoenix is always good. And it's a little, I remember it's a little long. It's a hundred and seventeen minutes. It's a little long. But it's something that I do recommend. And Jonah Hill is terrific as the sponsor.

And totally like, you know how we were saying an outcome, you know, like what is that look he's doing? He looks crazy. He looks equally crazy. And that crazy. But he looks like you don't expect him to look in this too. Just like, what is that hair? Is that a wig? What is he wearing?

But it's a case of him using that look to a higher purpose of creating a real character. Whereas an outcome. He's just like a maniac zipping around telling jokes, taking you know, being on the toilet.

So I recommend listeners. This was a forgotten film from 2018. So it's just old enough now for people to remember it. It's not a masterpiece. But it's something that you might watch is a hey, this slip through the cracks and is pretty good.

I think I'm pretty sure it did slip through the cracks for me. And I mean, I love also love walking Phoenix. So I'm kind of surprised that I didn't catch up with it. So this is one that I would like to watch. So tell me, where can I watch it, Jordan?

Well, it does. It was produced by Amazon. So I would imagine that it's on Amazon. So I can firm that. Let me probably be useful to this. And I'll see if they do that.

Don't worry.

It's saying it is. It is on prime.

I'm going to check also it's on prime and it's also on bazooka. No, it's on.

It's on if you have the subscription to prime, which means also you get free delivery of towels to your house.

But I think you could also if you want to pay to see it, it is on Fendango at home. And there you go.

Oh my gosh. Sam Sam has already somehow made a bazooka logo. Hold on, let me get you got to open the slide.

I got to open the chat. This is great content for an audio podcast, but we'll have to put this. We're going to blast this out on our socials.

And we will make sure that bazooka takes over the world.

How does bazooka film the audience?

I mean, that's what the you know, every internet company that you've never heard of, they all sound like bazooka.

I mean, I'll talk to me this.

There are so many stupid names for streaming sites. And they all are spelled idiotically that it is not that bazooka is not that far from reality.

No, but I was on the I was on the New York City subway just yesterday. And every ad is for an AI company doing God knows what they're maximizing your synergy.

Yes. And minimizing your growth of the potential of the of the of your outcomes. And there are all these AI companies.

And they all could have just been called bazooka dot a.m. Every single one of them. So I'll give you this.

But bazooka is funnier than the equivalent version of that joke that could happen in outcome. If they had a fake streaming service.

I'm honored.

The name Matt Singer. I'm told that there's another chapter in this in this show where we talk about another thing that we've streamed recently that does not necessarily have a connection to outcome.

And it's called streaming. What is it called again? What do we call it?

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That's the first episode. We're still figuring out what we want to keep from the classic

SVU and how we can update this formula for the world of streaming as it is now, which

is really so much different than it was eight years ago or even older than that when

we started doing it. At that time, we had segments that were built around, we're going to

give you this many recommendations that are new on streaming. We're going to tell you

two things that are on our, my lists. You used to have a running queue on Netflix that

was very important to what you watched. It still exists on your Netflix account and on

other streaming sites. But now it's all algorithms and they just shovel things into your eyeballs

based on the last thing you watched. You watched 10 minutes of this documentary about

bees. Here's a documentary about bears or whatever. That is literally the hellscape that

we live in now. We're trying to think of how we can make recommendations to you, the

listener, but maybe make it more fun, more relevant, more interesting. We've given you

some recommendations that directly connect to our review. Then I just thought it would

be fun because clearly Jordan Hoffman is a man who will say anything about anything as

proven already. I just thought it would be fun to kind of be honest about what we are

watching ourselves, things that we're watching, not necessarily for work, for the podcast,

for a writing assignment. What have we watched lately? That's why I thought it would be

fun to kind of have some radical streaming honesty on this show. I agree. I think it's

great. Do you want to go first? Tell us something you've seen lately that you would recommend?

Yeah. I'm not embarrassed by this. It's something pretty cool that I watched last night. I

am a huge fan of Canopy, which is embarrassing to you, Matt Singer, because you live in the

greatest city on earth, New York City. The one problem with New York City is you don't

actually have access to Canopy. As they say in the movie, outcome, it's your cosmic

tax is what they is aligned from outcome. But for most Americans, and I do not live in New York City,

I lived in New York City for most of my life, but I now live in the glorious paradise that is

Mommoth County, New Jersey, very close to the border of Ocean County, New Jersey. The reason I

bring that up is that I as a resident of the Mommoth Ocean area, I have access to both county library

systems, which means I have a bounty of Canopy. Canopy for those listening who don't know is a

streaming service that is basically free with any public library card. You can't use it at

InfoNight and you get X amount of tokens. It depends on your system. For Mommoth County, I get 12

tokens per month, and you can stream anything. And different things are different. Some things are

only one token. Most things are two. If you want to rent, I don't know, season six of friends or

something, then that's maybe four tokens. We should we should we should say Canopy if people don't know

it is with a K because again, these things, all these things have to have weird silly names like

bazuga. It's not Canopy with a C. It's Canopy with a K. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean, so it's

Canopy with a K. Anyway, so Canopy does program a lot of cool stuff. It's great. It's kind of like

it's a little bit PBS. I mean, they're through the library, so they want to be a little educational,

but they have junkie movies on there too. But with the one thing they do have a lot of, and this

is going to make me sound like a big snooty pants. And trust me, I'm not. I just talked a lot about

Neil Armstrong going to the bathroom. My wife is a visual artist and she's went to art school and

that is her passion in life. And by osmosis by being with her for so long, I too have an interest in

art history and art. And Canopy has a tremendous deep bench of great documentaries about artists.

And some of these documentaries are not even what you think of. Some of them are just like visits

to the museum. There's a British series called exhibitions on screen. You know, it's kind of like

when they do the opera on at the theater. Yes, almost like that. It's kind of a similar thing.

So let's say, for example, the National Gallery in London has a great show of Edward Monet.

They'll just like tour it and you'll just get to sit and watch it. It's pretty cool. So we

go through these pretty regularly. And the one that I watched last night was actually though

as pretty standard documentary. And I'm sure you could find it elsewhere. Then Canopy. But that's

how I discovered. And it is a film from 2016 called Revolution, Colin, New Art for a New World.

And it is about the early days of avant-garde, Soviet visual arts, which I mean, we've been talking a

lot about Jonah Hill and pooping and whatnot. But this shows the the width and breadth of what

the recommenderatournazonsman. Exactly. This is a really, really interesting movie about

Soviet art and Russian art and Russia in general. The movie was made in Russia in 2016. You could

not make it right now because you know, Russia is currently invading Ukraine. And it's not a very

good situation in there. And it's certainly in Ukraine or in Russia right now. But it's just about

this very summarizing that I'll shut up about it because I know this is very esoteric topic. But

it's about there was a very brief window in time right after the Russian Revolution in 1917

when the government, Lenin, you know, wanted to sponsor New Art. And they were really changing the

rules of everything. You know, they overthrew the Tsar. They wanted to instill this Kaka-Mami idea

called communism. For a little while, it looked like a good idea. And they had powered all these

radical artists to do interesting things. And you know, supportive, like, you know, all those early

famous posters you see of Lenin, you know, pointing and just that cool look, that early look. And it

was a little bit of a utopia for the artists for four, not even four years, three, by 1921, they were

all being, you know, they were all leaving. And there were there was a civil war. And then there

was Stalin and the purges and half of these artists were shot. You know, Soviet Russia was not

exactly any place you wanted to go. But this movie gets into it all. The politics of it all. I learned

a lot about Lenin and Stalin. But it's really just the documentary about these artists and some of

whom I've heard of, I've heard of Kazimir Malovich, I've heard of Vasily Kandinsky, I've heard of

Mark Shagal, those are the three that I had heard of. And then six others that I'd never heard of.

So it was pretty cool. My recommendation is Revolution colon, new art for a new world,

directed by a woman by the name of Margie Kinmump, British documentarian Margie Kinmump,

who I was reading her Wikipedia page. Apparently her father is maybe her grandfather,

new, uh, uh, Ian, uh, Ian Fleming and based M on Wow.

To bring it all to movies or yeah, no, the Kathleen was the daughter of John Henry Godfrey,

Navy intelligence officer on whom Ian Fleming is said to have based M. And that was her father.

So that's cool. Nothing to do with the film. No. But anyway, Revolution colon, new art for

new world, I watched it last night. I learned a lot about Soviet art. I liked looking at the paintings

I'd never seen before. I felt a little smart. And now I get to brag that I can come off like a

smart guy here on SVU. You can, you certainly can. And you're, you, I love the, the range here,

not just in what you've been talking about, but in, uh, where we're going to go from that movie to

my random recommendation, which I can assure you is not about art history. Um, I, after seeing a

lot of people talking about this movie online, I decided to watch something called Pizza movie.

This is a, oh yes, this is a drug e comedy newly edited to Hulu. It stars a,

Gatin Matarazzo from Stranger Things and Sean Gambroni from the Goldbergs is directed by these

sketch comedians that I honestly was not all that familiar with Brian, uh, McElaney and Nick

Coker. The premise is so unbelievably simple, even a drug-addled college kid could follow it,

which I'm sure is the point. Two college roommates take an experimental drug they discover in their

ceiling. And it is only after they ingest this that they realize that one, the drug is going to

hit them in multiple stages. Uh, and in between each stage will be some momentary lucidity,

just to really amp up the suspense. Um, while they're under the effects of the drug, they're going

to have all these weird hallucinations, all these strange things are going to happen to them like

they're going to think that they have swapped bodies or they're going to be attacked with a

chain saw by their worst nightmare. And then the second element is that the only thing that can

nullify these effects, which they've already taken the drug, there's nothing they can do about that.

Unless they eat pizza, which they have already ordered, but it is waiting in the lobby of their

dorm. So they have to go downstairs while hot to get it. So if the very notion of a movie where the

entire plot is about people trying to go down a couple of flights of stairs while high, if that idea

makes you smile as Jordan is smiling and chuckling right now, you will probably enjoy a pizza movie.

Where did these come from? Oh my god. Presenting this. It's an incredible high.

No, come on. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Don't ask me why they decided to go with the name pizza movie other than, you know, they thought maybe

people will be googling for it, writing like movie where guy takes drugs and orders pizza,

and they figured pizza movie was like a good SEO play for that. Maybe it is not a great title,

but it is a fun movie. I enjoyed it and it has some very amusing psychedelic sequences. I

particularly liked this stretch where they discover that saying something, and I don't think this

is spoiling it because they kind of lay out what's going to happen before it happens. They discover

that if they say any sort of profanity, it will cause their heads to explode and send them almost

like a groundhog day style back to like a few minutes earlier when this kind of stage of the drug

kicked in. And so it's almost like a gauntlet of trying to not say profanity for a few minutes.

Oh, that's fun. And it's like it becomes a game of game effect of looping. It is like an improv game

almost. Did you see it's not streaming yet? So we'll talk about an X amount of ones. Do you see

X at eight yet? I have not seen X at eight yet, but I would like to. When X at eight comes to streaming,

it will not be a streaming movie because it's in theaters right now. Thank you. And by the way,

overperformed. It did quite well. It's a neon release of a Japanese movie based on a video game.

And it did quite well. And I it is what it's what you just talked about with pizza movie, but

you know, scary. Yes. And not about pizza. Yeah. So I haven't seen that yet. But this this movie,

I thought very clever kind of play for a streaming movie. I could see it doing very well,

you know, with that core audience, I could see it being a streaming favorite on college campuses

among, you know, the youngs who partake in elicit substances. We are not the youngs. We are the

old story. We make that very clear. So much so that when I eat pizza, I have to have tons after

that's how much. We're we're young people. They don't they don't subscribe to bazooka like us.

They're three only olds are in on bazooka. And and I don't know, I don't know, maybe, maybe

college kids won't watch it to college kids watch movies anymore. I'm we're too old to know.

Tick tock. They're on tic tock. They they once in a while watch it. Well, if they chop it up on

tic tock and put it on tic tock people, I think they will, they will enjoy it. So it's it's

in days in it. They watch it. She's not in she's not in this. So if you are in so inclined,

pizza movie, a very kind of very, uh, genial, very likable drug comedy. And again, it is on Hulu.

Hello, Amanda. You don't know me, but I know you. I want to play a game.

All right. As everyone's favorite movie character, Jigsaw from the software, Ancise likes to say,

I want to play a game. And this week, I'm going to test Jordan's knowledge and the knowledge of

producer Sam Van Halgren. Sam, thank you for joining. This is my vision here. I couldn't just

I am so thrilled to be here on the premiere episode. The day. This is really excited. I did.

Yes for you. Love it. As a long time film spotting listener too. It's fun to be doing a podcast with

Sam. And now making him be on on microphone. I can't remember those those early episodes where it

was all salmon at him. So this is great. This is like a flashback like from pizza movie that I'm

living inside. So I am going to test Jordan and Sam's knowledge of the star of our featured review

this week by asking questions based on information from Keanu Reeves page on letterboxed. This is

letterboxing. I knew Keanu edition. We are going to test your knowledge letterboxed. One of my

favorite websites and apps. I use it to log everything I'm watching. Keep track of what I've seen.

What I haven't seen. I probably saw a lot of people logging pizza movie on there. That was one of

the places that I saw that. Jordan, I know it's Sam. I know you guys are going down letterbox. It's a

great site. I'm using I use it all the time. So I'm going to ask you questions. I have six questions

here that I gleaned from reading Keanu Reeves letterboxed page. I'm going to see how well you do.

Jordan, are you ready? You look very pensive. I'm nervous because there's a lot. I do have some

Keanu Reeves gaps. I've never I never I never saw 47 Ronin. We're going to find out how well you know

I've got no gaps. There are no gaps here. All right. Here we go. Question number one. And I guess

I would say raise your hand, but people won't be able to see that. So maybe just buzz in somehow

or say yes, yeah, give me a buzz and we'll see who answers first. Here we go. Question one.

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Keanu Reeves bio on letterbox begins by listing four of his best known films. I'm going to give you

three of them. You tell me what the fourth film is. Ready? Bill and Ted's excellent adventure,

speed, point, break, and blank. Jordan, the matrix. That is correct. Jordan is on the board. The matrix

is the correct answer. There's so many people in leather pants in the matrix. Yes.

And they all look amazing. And then after that movie came out, everyone in every movie had

leather pants and the sunglasses. The X-Men were wearing leather pants. Yeah. I like the phone.

I like the the old phone. The slide phone. Yeah. Press a button. It still looks futuristic. Even

though now we have much better phones. I don't know why that is. I knew Kung Fu. Let me ask you

something about the matrix. In that moment, he's in the real world, right? He's out of the video,

he's out of the video game, that video game, the matrix. It's literally the titular matrix. He's

out of the matrix and he's in the ship, the nibbukat Nazar. Yes. Then how, if he's in the real world,

how do they inject him with the knowledge of Kung Fu? Because they're in the real world already.

Stick it in his brain. It's a little brain. But you can't do that in the real world. You can do

that in the fake world. I don't want to I don't mean to. As it's been by you since

last year. Your mind can't even style Jordan, but that film is not a documentary. Wow.

And also it's not the real world 99 though. It's it's some future. I mean, it's like the matrix

is 99. Yes. Right. Live in the world 99, but it's like where we fought the machines. We've had

the machine battle right well into the future. We're absolutely right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kung Fu has been around for all kinds of technology in that future to stick

things in your brain to pull, you know, poops out of your wherever. Do they ever say officially when

there the the real stuff is when Joey can'ts is eating a steak and all that. They say

what that is. I don't know the lore. Well enough to just come up with that off the dome. But

they've made so many games and. Anna matrix is the animatrix. It must be out there very quick.

It's show a hands. The matrix is good and the others are terrible. Right. The other ones are

largely unseen by me there. I mean, the first one is a masterpiece. The other ones are I would say

varying degrees of interesting to bizarre and hard to. Yeah. I think the most recent one,

believe it or not, is the most watchable of the scene. It's kind of interesting. I don't

I don't dislike that one. The second and third one I can't do even with the rave scene. I know

some people love them and Cornell West isn't it and whatnot and people write essays boring.

You know what? I can ask you a question. You've been on an actual game show. You were on what

was it? What was it called the? Jeopardy? How was it? What was it? The fan edition? What was it called?

What is? Yeah. What is pop culture? Yeah. What is pop culture? Yeah. When you were on that show,

did you did you just like vamp for 20 minutes with Colin Joost?

It is a we're damn in a quiz here. All right. All right. Quiz me up. Quiz me up, Scotty. I'm sorry.

We're trying to get to two hours here, Matt. Come on. We want two hours.

Maybe. Let me ask you a question and then Jordan just just goes off on the main. Let me ask you a

question. Let me ask about the Apollo mission. Let's talk. You know what? I have been around.

Who owns bazooka? When we when we get to a Colin Joost movie, I'll tell you my

Colin Joost stories. I can't wait. We're going to have to pick one. All right. Here we go. Question

number two, which because it's been so long, I should remind people. These are questions

about Keanu Reeves gleaned from his letterbox page. Here we go. Number two, Keanu's best

reviewed film of the 1980s among letterbox users. Is this period film co-starring Glenn Close,

John Malkovich and Michelle Fyfer? It's a dangerous liaison. That is correct. Oh, shit.

On the board. That is that is Keanu Reeves best reviewed film of the 80s. I was thinking maybe he

was a valmont, which was of course another adaptation of. You know what? I was in the

middle of that. I would have been wrong. And also, I was going to and not only that, I believe it

was the 90s. I was going to say much to do about nothing. Oh, that is the 90s. But I mean, I don't

think any of those particular actors. Well, they could have been Glenn Close could have been in that.

So I guess theoretically. No, good call. So we're tied at one. That was one. One. Here we go.

Yeah. Number three, the longest film of Keanu Reeves career. Again, according to letterboxed,

is one of the more notable chapters of his career. What is it?

Sam. I'm going to go with John Wick chapter three. That is incorrect. Jordan, do you want to

take guess? I guess I'll steal and say John Wick chapter two. That is also incorrect. It was John

Wick chapter four. I own just four. All right. We remain tied at one point of piece. One point of

piece. Okay. Question number four. Now, when you go on an actor's filmography on letterbox,

you can arrange the titles alphabetically. When you do that for Keanu Reeves, the first title listed

is an obscure documentary about the career of Richard Linklater. The second movie listed

is this infamous bomb, a big budget action movie where Keanu plays an outcast samurai.

Oh. Oh, it's 47 Ronin. Because the alphabetical alphabetical is the numbers. Yes.

Jordan, you didn't buzz in, but I will give it to you. It's just very funny because that was

the random movie you mentioned. You couldn't pull it from your brain when I actually asked a

question about it. Well, it's funny because I don't have time to get into this. We definitely

don't. I actually was on the set of 47 Ronin. Oh, really? And which one of the 47 did you play?

You were number, which one? 38? I was there on a press tour in a previous chapter of my life.

I don't have the energy to get into the story right now, but actually that's where I met

Keanu. And he was very, very charming. He actually kind of made a joke about me.

Get this man away from me. Yeah. But he was very, very charming. And then that movie

was like, even from visiting the set, I'm like, this movie's going to suck. And then they

delayed it for a year. It's like in and I don't think it. And then the director, I think he,

he wasn't in director's jail. I think he went to jail jail. Didn't he do something?

Yeah. That Carl wrench. Carl,

why did you actually get Jordan is correct? There I was a whole not about that movie specifically.

I don't believe, but I think something he did. Yes, he did something after the fact.

Yes, I was reading about about that. It was involving. Oh, yeah. He has a whole area of his Wikipedia

page. Oh, he defrauded Netflix series and legal disputes. And then arrest and indictment.

That's a subsection you never want to do with the video page. But yes, Carl wrench, the director

of 47 Ronan, you're absolutely right. Good, good, good, good pull there, Jordan. No bonus points

for that. But I'm still impressed. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So we have a score of two to one,

Jordan. We have two questions left. All right. So you're saying there's a chance. All right.

Yes. This one, this one might be, this one might be a trickier one, where they're getting harder.

At least, what's the, what's the, what's the same, what's the, um, uh, Rick Lincolayter doc?

I didn't even know there was. Oh, you're going to make me now look this up on the fly. But we can,

we'll find this out. We'll come back with this information before the end of the show. Okay.

Here we go. Question number five. According to letterboxed,

he on a rives has appeared in 140 films as an actor. He has only appeared or only made,

I should say one as a director. Can you name the one film that Keanu Reeves directed?

Sam. Okay. I'm not going to get it exactly right. But it has Tai Chi in the title. Is that correct?

That is correct. Can you, can you open the man who?

The man who, Tai Chi, the man, it was three of the four words. The man of Tai Chi, the man of Tai Chi,

the man, the man of the man is no, though, but is it's cleaner without it, man of Tai Chi. I am

going to give you a two. You got it. Very good. Man of Tai Chi famously, the movie where,

the famously, the movie where he said, you owe me a life about five or six times. Very strangely.

I thought he directed that documentary about digital cinema. About Joni Hill's therapist.

That was Joni Hill. Maybe he directed something else according to his letterbox page when you filter

by, you can filter by their different credits and their different, you know, what they did on the film.

And that was the only one listed for. One to one years, Colin Richard Linklater.

Twenty one years. That was it. That's the documentary. Twenty one years, Colin Richard Linklater.

I'd like to see that. That was the one. All right. It all comes down to this.

Oh, it's high. This is very exciting and dramatic, ensuring that there will be future additions of

this game of letterbox. What is going at letterboxing? Letterboxing. Yes. Letterboxing.

That's cute. All right. Here we go. Question six for all the marbles.

When you search Keanu Reeves' Filmography by genre, by genre, only one film comes up under the genre

Western. This 1993 title directed by Gus Fanzant. What is it? Oh,

93, 93. Will we have a tie? Wait, nothing better on the podcast than silence.

Gus Fanzant did make a, I mean, like we talked, don't worry. He can't go away on foot. Nope.

He made a lot of movies and 93 was like the zone. That wasn't that long after. Would you like me to

start listing other actors in this motion picture? Yes, please. Because this is after to die. I went. I

mean, I went to, before it died for it. I've reported I for I went after after private. I hope before

I don't know. I know it's even how girls get the blues. Oh, dang it. Jordan is correct. And he has one

on the inaugural edition. Wow. I wouldn't call that a western though. I don't know that I would

either. However, that is how it is listed on. Wow. Add a picture by the great Tom Robbins novel.

Right? Yeah. It's based on it's a great book in a pretty lousy movie. The picture when you,

you know, if you are a patron of Letterbox and when you click on the movie, you get a like a picture

at the top of the page. Yeah. It shows Uma Thurman and Lorraine Blacco with a horse. So I guess by

that definition, it's a Western. It's not a Western. That's a that's a booboo. But Pat

Morita is in it too. He is indeed. He is indeed. I remember being I was, you know, a young man

when this came out, but I did see it in the theater. And I remember being, you know, just being,

you know, film guy enough to like, oh, my own private Idaho drugstore cowboy Gus Van Sance, the

greatest Tom Robbins. I had not read even cowgirls, but I had read other Tom Robbins books.

And I'm like, this is going to be the meeting of the minds. It's going to be great. I'm like half

hour in going this sucks. Oh, and I had the soundtrack too. It was Katie Lang. Yes. Katie Lang did

the music and it was really the album was terrific. I the album got more play in my life in this

movie. I haven't revisited it. And, but it won me. It defeated Sam. And for that, I will forever love

this. Yeah, we might have to keep track of the score of these sorts of games. So the first one built

in like a cushion mat where we had six six questions, but there was still like it came down to

a tiebreaker because you know, we just whiff on one entire. That was excellent. Good job. That

was very exciting. I can't wait to do that again with future future episodes with other

stuff, stars who have appeared in Jonah only in Jonah Hill movies. I think that'll be the real

good. Well, that was fun. That game. I was nervous, but now I'm the champions. So clearly, I

loved it. I do want to tease for next week. You know, we anticipate coming back again next week.

There's a lot of cool stuff coming out. We're not canceled like reef hawk in the next seven days.

There's some cool stuff coming out to streaming next week. I just do a very quick, quick rundown

on Netflix. There's a film called Noah Cajon out of body, which the singer's songwriter,

Noah Cajon faces the pressure of making his next album and returns to his Vermont roots and

family to get back in tune with himself. Is that is that a documentary? Who is Noah Cajon?

I think it's Noah Cajon. I've never heard of this before. I've heard of it. I could tell that

from the way you mispronounced his name. I've heard of a very familiar with him. The only

con I know is Connunian Singh. That's the con for me. I don't think he's covered in this motion

picture. We're also next week on Netflix. It's kind of a fun one. It's called Rumates and it stars

Adam Sandler's daughter. She's been in a bunch of movies. She's now doing the NEPO baby,

but we love her. It's called Rumates when a college freshman played by Sadie Sandler,

asked a cool, confident girl, Chloe East from the heretic and fabulmans to be rumored,

a blossoming friendship quickly spirals into a war of passive aggression. I would like to watch

rumates and I think that may be a little bit of a success. We may catch up with it after because

the one we're definitely going to do next week, we got to say when we have to, when you moral

imperative, when I first learned that SVU was coming back and I begged Alison to pretend that

she was too busy to become the guest again and to co-host and let me do it. I was like, I need

the excuse to watch more Mark Wahlberg film. The excuse is here week two coming to prime,

which is the the the only streaming service that gets you a free delivery on paper towels.

Peter Farley, Oscar winner. He didn't win the Oscar, but director of the Oscar winning film,

maybe he was a producer on it, so he did win. Peter Farley, who directed Green Book,

his new film is called Balls Up, two American marketing executives, Mark Wahlberg and Paul

Walter Hauser are fired for blowing a client sponsorship opportunity and decide to use their

free tickets to a major soccer match. Their drunken debauchery leads them to be hunted by every

person across the country. I don't I don't even know what that means, but all I know is that I can

only I can only imagine if outcome led to a lengthy discussion of the bathroom habits and

the answers. I can only imagine what's going to happen when we review a movie called balls.

We need some feminine energy on the show, but it's not coming next week. The following week,

we're going to do roommates with Sadie, Sadie Singer. Do you have an aunt named Sadie?

You're right that I should. It would make Sadie Sandler. Sadie Sandler. We're going to do that soon,

but next week I'm all in I'm all up for balls up. So I think that's what we're going to be watching.

So thank you to the listeners in advance. Anything else you want to add, Matt Sanger?

Yes, and I want to first of all, thank you, Sam, and thank you, Jordan. It's great to be back. This

was a lot of fun. Maybe too much fun. Probably too much. I'm going to say listeners might find it to

be too much fun, but it was this was wonderful to be back and I had a great time. But we are still kind

of figuring out the full in-s and outs of the format here and we want to hear from you the listeners.

We would love to hear your feedback about the show. What you liked. What else you would want to hear.

They're going to all say bring back Allison. Well, other than that. Which you would like.

What other things can we can we discuss? I had an idea. I'm going to throw it out there. We'll see

if anyone takes us up on it. Good. You game ideas. We would love new game ideas. Absolutely. You can

send us game ideas. Movies you want us to talk about. Streaming services you want us to talk about.

If they're not the most obvious ones, if there's ones that are out there that you particularly like.

I also thought people could send us maybe the places they subscribe to and a genre of movie.

And we could give them back personalized recommendations. We can add that to our recommendation

segment. So if you have anything you want to send and you or you would like maybe to see if you

could get a personalized recommendation for us. The email address is mat at film spottingspu.com.

That's mat at film spottingspu.com. Ironically, those go straight to Jordan. He's the only one

who's going to read that. No, we'll get them and we would love to hear your feedback. What you

want to hear, what you like to hear. Tell us because we're back. We're back, baby.

And so we're here for you and we want to make it the best podcast possible.

Coming up in the film spotting feed this week on Friday on the film spotting mothership. Adam

and Josh will honor the late great Robert Duval with their top five Duval scenes. Oh,

plus the maybe we'll do a letter box thing of Robert Duval down the line. What would be your

favorite Matt favorite Robert Duval scene? What was his best scene in the Will Ferrell movie

kicking and screaming? I don't know. I mean, it could be something from the godfather tender

mercies. It's a hard one. That's why they people have to listen to find out there's so many good

ones to choose from. I'm going to listen. That sounds like a good show. Plus the final four round of

1940s madness. Vote now at film spotting madness.com. Again, next week we'll be back with Peter

Farley's balls up with Mark Walberg and Paul Walter Hauser. And in the meantime, you can find me

on Instagram and letterboxed at Super Pulse. I'm also on Blue Sky at Matt Singer. Jordan, where can

people find you? Oh, God. I'm trying to get off social media. It's a bit of a hero. Don't look for

Jordan. Just come back. I'm one. I do a little blue sky. Okay. You can put my name in there. I'm on

an ex, but I don't read it. And I'm on Instagram is just pictures of like me going to like, you know,

Chinese restaurants and stuff. You're not going to get anything good out of that. No, I disagree.

It's compelling. I do a little blue sky. You can find me on blue sky. But I'm trying to get off

that too. Honestly, blue sky is just as bad as X. Well, on that wonderful upbeat note,

film spotting SVU is produced by saying that you should follow no time out. Follow the film spotting

socials. We have where the action is. And I have film spotting. And I will say I have

reactivated the long dormant film spotting SVU Facebook page. I've already updated it a few times

Facebook.com slash film spotting SVU. You can find stuff about the show from the show. It's over

there. Film spotting SVU is produced by Sam Van Halgren. I'm Matt Singer. Oh, I'm supposed to say

my name's Jordan Hoppen. Thanks for listening.

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