#MeToo Hits Congress, Again

2026-04-15 07:30:00 • 25:49

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It's Wednesday, April 15th.

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I'm Jane Kostin, and this is what a day.

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And as a surprise, he says he doesn't know anything about it or the official.

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But let's start with Congress, and it's ongoing epidemic of sexual misconduct.

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Two members of Congress step down on Tuesday.

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Texas Republican Representative Tony Gonzalez and California Democratic Representative Eric

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Swalwell.

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Here is a clerk of the House of Representatives reading their resignation statements.

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In close as my resignation letter to Texas Governor Greg Abbott, effective April 14th,

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2026 at 11.59 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

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It has been my privilege to serve the residents of Texas's 23rd Congressional District,

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Science and Serially, Tony Gonzalez, member of Congress.

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I plan to resign my seat and Congress effective at 2 p.m. Eastern Time on April 14th, 2026.

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I will work with my staff in the coming days to ensure they are able and my absence to

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serve the needs of the good people of the 14th Congressional District, Science and Serially,

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Eric Swalwell.

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Gonzalez and Swalwell differ in almost every single way.

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Gonzalez was endorsed for re-election by Trump.

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Swalwell was one of the loudest voices opposing Trump.

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Gonzalez dropped out of his re-election campaign weeks ago, while Swalwell was one of

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the top candidates in the California gubernatorial primary until this past weekend.

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But they share one horrible commonality.

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Both men have been accused of sexual misconduct.

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Gonzalez and Swalwell were accused of sexual misconduct by former staffers.

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Swalwell is also accused of sexual assault, and other women have come forward.

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He is denied the allegations.

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I've been writing about politics for more than a decade now, and that means I've been

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covering sexual misconduct in politics for more than a decade.

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Sexual assault by politicians seems almost endemic to me.

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Over and over, we see powerful people in politics, typically men, use their power to take

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advantage of others in dangerous and abusive ways.

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And, as we know, it goes all the way to the top.

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The president of the United States himself was found liable for sexual abuse in 2023.

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So why does this keep happening?

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And what about Congress might be making it more difficult for survivors to come forward?

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To find out, I spoke to Moira Donigan.

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She's a columnist covering gender and politics at the Guardian.

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Moira, welcome to What Today.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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It's great to be here.

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We are almost ten years removed from me too.

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And up until now, it's felt like not much permanently changed.

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We've seen kind of a backlash, and then a backlash to the backlash.

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It's been weird.

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But this week, we saw two representatives, Tony Gonzalez of Texas and Eric Swahwell of

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California, resign over allegations of sexual misconduct and harassment that have been

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circling for weeks.

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What do you think changed?

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You know, I think there is a sense that me too is a reflection of exasperation, right?

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These sort of politicized moments of sexual violence return when people are outraged by

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impunity, right?

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And there's been a lot of sort of simmering attention to the issue of sexual violence,

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particularly among elites in the wake of the Epstein scandal.

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And as people, you know, confront both the extent of complicity in Epstein's alleged crimes

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and the sort of pervasive impunity, I think there has been sort of a wearing down of

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patients.

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And what you saw when these allegations about Swahwell came out really just over the past few

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days is a sort of confrontation with the reality of the pervasiveness of this issue and a lack

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of patients.

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And I think this is interesting that it redounded also to Tony Gonzalez, whose alleged misconduct

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has been public in the popular media for much longer, but who had managed to hold on to

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his seat in Congress until just this week.

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Swahwell and Gonzalez are not the only politicians in Congress with allegations against them.

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Speaker Mike Johnson said Tuesday that he will be, quote, looking into the House investigation

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of Republican Representative Cory Mills, who has been accused of sexual misconduct a bunch

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of other things.

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But here's my question for you.

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What do you think it says that serious accusations of sexual misconduct are treated like tit-for-tat

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political fodder?

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Like, well, you get rid of one of yours.

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We might get rid of one of ours.

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Yeah, you know, it's very conspicuous that Swahwell's resignation seems to have been what prompted

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the Republicans to finally cut Tony Gonzalez loose.

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You know, and I think there is something a bit disperiding about this kind of mutual weaponization

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of sexual abuse by each side of the political rivalry, right?

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It seems as if it's less opposed to, on principle, than deployed as a tool against one's political

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enemies in a kind of cynical or even opportunistic manner.

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And I think what the challenge will be for feminists and for those of us who are, you know,

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committed to a principled opposition to rape and violence, will be to try and make this

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into a principle that can be applied, even when it's not particularly politically convenient

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or that will be applied, that people tend to apply both to their own side and to their

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opponents.

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What did I spoke with two Democratic House aides, one current and one former about the allegations

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against Swahwell and Gonzalez?

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And they indicated there could be more members accused of misconduct, which does not surprise

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me at all.

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You and I have been writing about and talking about this issue for a long time.

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I remember I wrote a piece about the Judgment Fund, which helps to fund sexual harassment

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lawsuits in Congress.

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I was in 2017.

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That was a story about former Michigan representative John Conniers.

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That was in political terms, that was 10,000 years ago.

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And this keeps happening.

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This is not new.

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If you go back to the 1970s and 1980s, Congress was in some ways worse and grosser.

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But what do you think it says about the culture of Congress?

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And you as politics as a whole that this kind of toxic power dynamic is still so prevalent?

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Like the stories from Swahwell's accusers sound so familiar.

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And that familiarity horrifies me, Moria.

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It genuinely horrifies me.

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You know, Jay, I wish it was just the culture of Congress.

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I wish there was something perverse about this one institution uniquely that made these

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abuses happen there and nowhere else.

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But I think what really happens is that these kinds of abuses happen everywhere where there

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is unchecked power everywhere where there are men with a lot of people relying on them

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who have women who are proximate and vulnerable.

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I think this is something that we saw in me too that this happens in the media, that

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it happens in Hollywood.

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We see that it happens in tech that it happens in fast food.

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This is a broad culture wide pathology of abusive power of a broadest-size domination

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and of exploitation, largely of women by men.

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And I think that it is interesting that these abuses are so bipartisan and that they are

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sort of pushing on fractures that are emerging within partisan coalitions, right?

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So the Swahwell allegations and his subsequent resignation have really disrupted the California

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governor's race where there is an open bipartisan primary in which the two leading contenders

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will advance the general election in the fall.

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Swahwell looked to be until just as we can as if he would be the front runner in that

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election.

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And now it's anybody's race.

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You know, Katie Porter has a much better chance.

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Tom Sire has a much better chance on their Republican side.

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You see the Epstein allegations, oiling the Maga coalition, not just because of Trump's

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populist and anti-alete messaging that is somewhat undermined by his connections to Jeffrey

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Epstein, but also because of an interestingly politicized right-wing grievance against sexual

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exploitation from the likes of Nancy Mays, who has been very vocal on this issue.

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And her attempt to add some public disclosure and transparency to these congressional

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funds for distributing sexual harassment settlements, that got shot down just last month

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in a really broadly bipartisan vote, right?

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So there's forces both in Congress and sort of across our culture that are both sort

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of pushing against this pervasive impunity for sexual violence and also sort of arraying

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to protect entrenched interests.

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It's not always who you would expect that is lining up on each side of this issue.

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Politics has the added element of people who are working within it, believing, hoping,

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maybe, that they are contributing to something that will make the country better.

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Do you think that that contributes to that culture where it's not just a member of Congress,

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it's a member of Congress who maybe is working on an issue you care a lot about?

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And does that change how people think about these allegations or think about how this can

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happen when it's not just of this person is super famous and super powerful?

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It's also this person could make sure everyone gets health care or could ensure reproductive

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rights access in my state.

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They are also, apparently, a sexual predator.

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Yeah, I think this is something that really influences both the way that broad audiences

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interpret these allegations.

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And also the way that victims interpret their own set of responsibilities and either coming

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forward or deciding not to report and disclose.

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You saw just very recently the case of Dolores Huerta, the leader of the farm workers movement

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who recounted her own rape by Cesar Chavez and said that she did not want to come forward

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at the time because she thought it would endanger the cause to which she had devoted her life.

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I think this is a pervasive feature of sexual abuse in sort of mission-oriented workplaces.

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And in the case of somebody like Eric Swalwell, I think this also impacts the way that party

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insiders and voters and those who are really invested in the Democratic Party or in the

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struggle against Trumpism are understanding this.

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There really is something that we lose when somebody like Eric Swalwell, who was for

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all his faults, a talented anti-Trump surrogate on cable news, a very ambitious public facing,

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an active guy who was useful in some ways to the anti-Trump political movement in the US.

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But I think it would be incomplete to talk about that loss without also considering the

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loss of these women who are degraded or humiliated or hurt or abused or otherwise not allowed

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to thrive in their own talents because of these kinds of abuses that they encounter in their

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fields.

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Somehow at the same time, Harvey Weinstein is back in court this week.

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He's being retried for a rape case in New York City for the third time.

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So I have to ask, there have been a lot of criticisms of me too, and some of those I think

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have been pretty not helpful.

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The idea of it going too far, going after the wrong people, whatever.

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But it does say something to me that we're in a moment in which Harvey Weinstein, this

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is the third time people have been trying to get justice for what he allegedly did.

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And it's been nearly 10 years.

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What do you think that says about what me too could not get done?

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Yeah, me too was in many ways like sort of a speech movement, right?

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It was about making speakable realities and experiences that had been excluded from

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official reality, right, from the official public reckoning of what people did and what

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our histories contain.

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What they could not do was undo a millennia of patriarchal conditioning around sexual

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violence.

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What they could not do is rewrite these institutional habits that give a lot of deference to sexual

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abusers in particular and to wealthy sexual abusers, especially.

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What they could not do is erase the ability of the likes of Harvey Weinstein or Bill Cosby,

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whose conviction was also overturned, to purchase their way out of accountability, right?

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There's much broader structures of corruption, of institutional complicity, and of societal

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misogyny that have entrenched these outcomes.

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And to get rid of those, I think is a much, much bigger project.

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Moira, thank you so much for taking the time to join me.

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Thank you for having me, Jane.

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It was a pleasure.

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That was my conversation with Moira Donigan, columnist for the Guardian.

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Hey, Matt.

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Hey, Jay.

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Matt, the world's economic outlook is looking grim thanks to Trump's war in Iran.

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Here's Kevin Hassett, one of his top economic advisors telling Americans on CNBC2 to say

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that hey, it could be worse.

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While it's very frustrating to go with the pump and see what the price of gasoline looks

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like, the benefit for oil producers and workers in those industries is significantly

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enough that the GDP affects in the US is much smaller than anything that you would see if

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you look at, say, an Asian economy or even in the UK where because of their green new

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deal type policies, they more or less stop producing oil.

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Two things.

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Is he saying, well, oil companies are doing well?

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So it's fine.

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Also apparently it's bad to rely on green energy when the world is going through an oil

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crisis.

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We're learning new things all the time.

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But the bottom line is Donald Trump's war with Iran is hurting countries around the world.

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And yes, that includes the United States.

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Right.

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The global economy could even slide into recession if the war continues according to a

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report released by the International Monetary Fund on Tuesday.

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The report also says that the global economic outlook was actually looking steady before

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Trump bombed Iran, which is wild, given the tariffs and everything else.

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Yet now even the best case scenario looks.

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Grim the IMF predicts that global growth could fall to 3.1% this year down from 3.4% in

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2025.

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And has is not the only Trump official who is downplaying the toll that the war is taking

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on the US economy.

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Speaking at an event hosted by semiforon Tuesday, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson said quote,

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the conflict will end.

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Prices will come down and then headline inflation will come down.

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Matt, you know, I have this rule.

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Whatever Scott Besson says, I assume the exact opposite.

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But you know what's making me feel better.

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Chadenfereda.

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Through mega international, mourning the loss of Victor Orbán's authoritarian rule and

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hungry.

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The American far right has long admired Orbán's strongman rule and hungry as he crushed

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the free press and villainized immigrants and LGBT people while the economy suffered

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in the birth rate.

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A major mega obsession declined despite massive state investment in the issue.

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Here's Hungry's then foreign minister telling Tucker Carlson in 2022 why Hungary was so

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great for conservatives.

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We are conducting a patriotic Christian based policy.

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The target of ours is to reach the to fulfill the national interest.

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We are conservative and in the meantime, we are successful.

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Apparently not.

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And vice president J.D. Vance even traveled the hungry last week to boost Orbán's odds.

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But he failed miserably.

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And mega may have had a much bigger stake in this than we even knew before Vance's trip.

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In speech on Monday, Hungry's newly elected leader Peter Majar said that Hungary will no

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longer fund the Hungarian branch of the conservative political action conference.

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Better not a CPAC.

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But you know, most people these days might know it just as the crazy right wing conference

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where Elon Musk swung a chainsaw over his head last year.

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To be clear, Mazar said Orbán's government gave the money, but CPAC told Politico that

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it has never received funding from the Hungarian state.

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Quote, any decisions on the use of government money and Hungary will have zero impact on

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our organization as it has never received any of these funds.

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Highlighting such stars as one of former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro's sons and Maryland

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Republican Congressman Andy Harris and a far right Hungarian journalist who is super

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racist.

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It's not the first time the right has fallen in love with a right wing government, Matt,

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but Hungary, the country with major ties to China and Russia, really.

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But Matt, now the relationship makes more sense because it looks like the draw wasn't just

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ideology.

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It was also money.

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Yeah.

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Hungry's politics are pretty intense in America's R2, but America's these days are just

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downright strange.

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Take for example, in the case of Greg Phillips, he's the federal emergency manager.

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He's been agency official in charge of disaster response.

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He's also apparently totally delusional.

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You might be familiar with him after CNN uncovered a podcast from last year in which he said

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that he teleported to Waffle House in Georgia dozens of miles away.

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Here's a clip from that podcast.

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It was scary in a way.

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I mean, you know, you don't really know, okay, is this evil?

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Is this good?

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What is this?

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You know, what do I do with this?

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How do I deal with it?

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I was on the phone.

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Oh my God.

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What's happening?

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CNN got Trump on the phone to talk about that on Thursday and he did not seem sold on

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the possibilities of teleportation.

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That's an amazing sentence.

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And no, he did not.

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Quote.

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Was he kidding?

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Trump asked CNN when told about Phillips claim he added, quote, it just sounds a little

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strange, but I know nothing about teleporting or him, but I'll find out about it right

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now.

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One of my favorite Trump things is that if you do something, he doesn't like, he will

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completely Mariah Carey you.

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He doesn't know him.

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He has no idea who he is.

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Who is this guy anyway?

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And hilariously, the New York Times did the like work and went to the waffle house where

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this man claimed to have teleported to.

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And no employees or regulars at that location.

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Remember anyone teleporting there.

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Though stumbling into waffle house after a long night does feel a lot like teleportation.

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That is objectively true.

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But Phillips has said some even weirder things on podcasts, according to CNN.

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Do you want to hear them, Jane?

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I don't, but I do.

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So go ahead.

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All right.

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Yeah, well, here we go.

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He claimed that God sat on his bed and died, no, son, with cancer.

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He said that he's on earth to do God's work, but that he's quote, actually dead.

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And he said that his deceased girlfriend lifted his car off the road to help him avoid

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a car crash.

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How sweet, I guess.

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Well, I sure hope that when a natural disaster hits, this guy can find a way to teleport to

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my house.

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Or actually, I would really prefer someone more qualified than him.

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Thanks, Matt.

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