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Hello and welcome to the watch.

My name is Chris Ryan. I am an editor at theRinger.com and joining me in the studio now his day shift has ended.

It's Indigree balls!

How are you?

Good brother. It's been a minute.

You're back.

I am back. Yeah, I was in San Francisco. I was in Denver. I've seen the West.

Yeah, what do you think?

We're all doing great.

This is breaking news.

Social economically, everything is solid.

Good air travel.

I think it was good.

You know, honestly, wasn't that bad.

They're keeping it together everywhere.

Denver Airport did not see any illuminati there.

It's supposedly the headquarters.

Were you doing your research for Paradise Season 3?

I was.

I was.

Did you see the horse?

The demon horse that's out of the airport?

No, that's the thing is like none of this, like it just all I noted about the Denver airport is if they could be closer to Denver.

Because in between Denver and the airport, it's just like a lot of Costco's.

I didn't see much that was like, well, can't have a plain land here.

Right.

But yeah, other than that, Denver, lovely place.

This is your note.

Go, you go to the CEO of Costco and tell him you have to move his five outlets.

I don't think the Costco has been there for like 120 years.

You know what I mean?

I can seem like a pretty new bill.

You don't think it's a landmark?

No.

It's wonderful to see you.

I haven't seen you in a while.

I know. I've changed.

How have you changed?

You're going to find out over the course of this hour.

I have some news and stuff for you like from the television and entertainment world, but I wanted to just kind of fill you out.

You say what we're going to do.

We're going to do.

We're going to do the pit finale, obviously.

Welcome to where that happens.

And also we're going to talk about top chef.

We're also going to talk about an out of nowhere appearance of a new series from Eric Roshant,

who is responsible for one of our favorite TV shows of all time.

Yes.

The Bureau, the French spy drama.

He has a new show on Netflix.

I had no fair, no fair warning, no, no heads up.

I just saw that it was trending on Netflix that was in the top 10 that I checked our email inbox.

There were a couple of like, dude, is there a new show for Eric Roshant?

I did a little bit of digging into this.

It's an interesting story, but we can get to that.

It's called Bandy.

It's called Bandy.

It's on Netflix.

And we should also say at the top, we are going to cover to

buzzed about new series on Monday, which are Margot's got money problems.

And buff.

It's the French adaptation of beef.

Can I tell you?

Yeah.

Beef's getting grilled.

That sounds delicious because critics do not like beef.

They really?

Yeah.

It was aged too long.

I mean, there's some diversity of opinion, but, uh,

and that's what this country is all about, you know?

You learn that in your travels of the West.

But, uh, it's largely being disliked, being pant.

Wow.

Huh.

How do you feel about that?

Do you still take critical, critical consensus as like a directional for you?

No.

I do that with NFL draft coverage, but I do not do that.

I was going to ask you about this.

We could save that for after dark.

No, no, no, no, no.

We could save it.

Okay, let's save a draft card.

I have a lot of draft cards.

My big television headline obviously, Cinemacon this week.

So there's a lot of movie news.

I had mixed feelings about Cinemacon.

I'm very happy that Sean and Amanda are there.

I'm honestly a little bit jealous.

Yeah.

I don't know if I'd want to be in Vegas for four days, but it is cool that they get to see stuff.

On the other hand, yes.

I don't know if I want to digest movies that like, here's a sneak seven minutes of the Odyssey.

See you in three months.

Well, there's also, is there any world in which you are shown the first 10 minutes of apparently the saving private Ryan Esk opening of Dune 3?

Yeah.

It's kind of mid like it's designed to make people insane.

The flip of that feeling.

Now I'll see it.

Okay.

You guys got me.

You know, so I, I think out of my feeling of inadequacy of not being there, I'm also like, it's not for me.

I wouldn't do it anyway.

If they, even if they invited me.

I invented them.

Um, but there's, you know, obviously a bunch of stuff coming out of it.

Dune 3, the Odyssey screen, some stuff.

Sounds like it went very well.

I saw that the Thomas Crown affair, some footage from that was played.

That Michael B. Jordan remake of that.

Starring your maxima, Adrian, are you know, which is not maxima.

I think it's Wonder Woman.

It's, it sounds like it's going to be one or only.

Van is going to comment being like, get off my corner again, but I'm pretty sure.

Um, I was thinking I have to go to New York soon.

You are just.

I was thinking of seeing Gene Gray, a KACC.

Yes.

In Romeo and Juliet.

I thought she was in London.

I think that's in London.

I thought it was in Broadway.

Well, we'll find out when I show up at that really reasonably priced theater.

And I'm like, one ticket for Romeo and Juliet, please.

Maybe you could watch it.

You know, they have that thing in some cities where they have like the, like the camera that's on it in another city.

Oh, yeah.

Maybe they could do that for the rest.

Like really expensive Broadway tickets.

If you just peer into it, you can watch Paddington the musical.

Yes.

Somewhere a thousand.

And I go one didn't to watch Bernthal on dog day.

Might prove it.

Uh, I have one or two TV oriented news bits for you.

But did you want to say anything about the Cinematon news?

Do you have any advance again, based on nothing that we've seen?

But that apparently they did screen a trailer or some footage of Tom Cruise's return to Capitol A.

By only advanced knowledge about it is what Sean tweeted.

Right.

Yeah.

Is this the, is this like the second screen experience where you want people to go to Twitter?

I just, like, I, like Sean's tweet kind of said it all.

It was like, it seems like Tom Cruise is playing Jerry Jones, the Dallas Cowboys owner in a movie directed by Michael Bay.

And I was like, well, that's going to take me a couple of weeks to process.

Kind of purse.

Yeah, exactly.

Okay.

There was that.

And then so I think there's like that.

I see how they're like, oh, for me personally, the most exciting news is that uh, Garrett Evans, who did the raid movies, um, is directing a remake of a cult is my passport, which is a Japanese Yakuza crime film.

And uh, have you seen that film?

No, Sean said that it looked like John Wu meets a, like, set into trade.

I feel like you're going to be first in line.

I'm excited for that.

I also have some breaking news.

Yeah.

Sadie think it's currently starring at the Harold Pinter Theater on the West End in London.

Okay.

So I'd like to, I just wonder would you like to revise your earlier comment in which you said and I'm just paraphrasing.

I have to be in New York soon to see say he sings.

Do you have to be in New York soon?

Period.

And while I'm there, I just didn't say while I'm there.

I thought I'm checking my initial idea.

We had talked about going to see dog day.

Yeah.

I want to see, I want to see giant too.

You know what?

I'm not a dog guy.

Everybody's like, and then giant opens.

And I'm just not a role dog guy.

I don't think I don't want to break your bubble here.

I know it's not role dog lights.

I don't think you have had a raging anti-Semite.

So I don't think you should be like, big dog guy.

I can't wait to see how his legacy has been protected on stage.

But I just mean like getting under the hood there is not, is not in the top 100 things.

You do not see ham because you're not a big Danish monarchy guy.

Come on, bro.

It's not the same thing.

But like, yo, this is as good as Hamlet.

But I think that there's a part of you that's worried that there's going to be a chocolate factory on stage

or a couple oompa loompa is telling you half the story.

I, that was, that crossed my mind.

You know, there's no giant beach play.

Is it let's go?

Let's go.

My colleague, your boy.

Yeah.

That guy has a lot of energy.

Yeah.

I would just say that if I had spent nine months filming a massive television show,

I'd take a rest.

Yeah.

And I'm a lot younger than him.

And our friend, I a cash isn't it.

Oh, that's really good.

That's cool.

I don't know why we're doing theater advertising before we talk about that.

I know.

I was just, I just really feel like there's a little more meat on the bone of these.

You announcing to your wife and colleagues that you must travel to New York

to see Sadie Sink make her Shakespeare debut.

Look, man, I've just, I've just tried to figure out where you're at.

So I'm throwing a lot of stuff up at the wall.

You're liking where you're fine.

Hey, they announced what's happening on the white Lotus this next season.

And I just thought I'd mention to you season four.

We'll take place during the canned film festival.

Love it.

I think they're going to do some shooting there.

That was some of the words, which is coming up in a couple of weeks.

Yeah.

They're shooting currently in production.

I believe it did start production.

And it is going to be the first season of white Lotus that takes place at two white Lotus properties.

Oh.

So white and low tide.

One in Santa Fe and one at the quassets in can.

Have you ever been to the South Fred's?

Yes, I have.

Thank you for asking.

What was your take and what year was it when you were there?

My take.

Yeah.

God.

A model for American.

Well, I don't know.

There's a ceiling on how much white Lotus like I could talk about.

Now that organism has fallen, the real model for how our society should live is province.

Okay.

That's my take.

I had this.

It's very, very beautiful and huge circle.

Were you in east?

Were you in Can?

Where were you?

I was not in Can.

I was in.

Were you doing work for the British government?

Why are you doing that?

I can't say.

No, I, you fly Denise and then you're a little traveling along the coast.

I fly Denise.

I took a train.

Wow.

Yeah.

Well, okay, Joe Biden.

How was that for you?

Well, it was funny if like we just all JD Vance did for the rest of his term.

Uh, was go to different places in the world and fuck things up by like trying to like do the opposite.

I think that would be, I mean, funny is doing a lot of work there.

No, I don't mean wars and stuff.

I mean like the can film festival.

Oh, came up on stage and did a talk and he's like, here's the reason why.

And as vice president of the can jury, he gives the pom door to Focker and law.

Yeah, exactly.

I, uh, I love that.

I also, this is not really in our Bailey Wick, but I do love the fact that, uh, that Mrs. Kirk had to bail out.

Kirk Kirk.

A T P. I'm more polite than you out of a, out of a turning point event and her backup plan was the vice president of the United States.

Yes.

It's so good.

So good.

We are doing great.

Um, I think it's a beautiful place.

I think it's a great, great location for the show and also a kind of a cool idea to tie it more firmly to something other than people's, you know, bettering themselves, uh, vacation.

Do you think there will be any studio-esque cameos?

I did wonder about that.

We are definitely in a golden age of shows suddenly all seeming to have the budget to just do a week or two in Europe.

Yeah.

Well, isn't that because it's cheaper to shoot there than it is to shoot?

And here's a genuine.

Is it the Avengers here?

It is, but here's a genuine production question.

Like, I don't think that the studio decamped to Venice for six weeks because it was cheaper.

I think they did it because they win Emmys and it's Apple and they have a blank check.

But I am hearing more and more of shows that just like do a little splinter unit and not like a splinter unit into, um, you know, San Bernardino or something.

Actually, they go to London to shoot the London scenes.

And I don't understand how that is in any way saving money.

I think it's just spending money in flashing cash, which is, all right.

There's been a lot of really interesting stuff on the trades this week about like, I think a lot of the producers who are at San Bernardino have been asked about like,

are you going to do anything to save Los Angeles?

And I don't know why I'm thinking about this much because I maybe it has something to do with like this whole arc-lite protest that turned into a potential lawsuit that, you know, is now kind of

everybody's throwing their hands up and has just been like, looks like that's just going to that landmark to cinema will just stand.

If that was Nithia's whole platform, you would win.

But there's also been a lot of talk about because I think some of the networks are in pilot season, weirdly.

Yeah.

Like, are you going to shoot this here? Are you going to shoot this in LA?

Will you use the studios and a lot of non-committal? Like, well, we need a federal tax break and we need and so, you know, rebates on above the line talent.

And I just don't know what happened to the game I loved, you know, like, I don't know how are you saying like they fucked this up so much that they're like, well, we can't make it unless you guys pay for Johnny Gellicki to like be in the show, you know, that's the name right?

Yeah, you're good.

Was that, is this like, this is just kind of a recycle the NBA take that it's too international for you now?

No, it's, but it's just like, I don't know why scrubs is rebooting the reboot of scrubs shoots in Vancouver.

It does also wild pronunciation there. You're still in Vancouver. Usually, yeah, I like that.

I think you're thinking of Van.

Yeah.

I think he's living right in your head.

Does it really?

Yeah.

That's pretty wild to me because I would feel like something like a reb because the only thing anyone spending money on obviously is what they believe to be safe bets.

Procedureals.

Procedureals and reboots of sitcoms and things and I'm not saying that the Zach Raff was like turning down other offers to do this show, but I am saying that generally when people are asked to come back to fill

to fill a role that only they can play.

They have enough cloud to say I would like a commute that doesn't involve a border cross.

Yeah, there's also just not that big of a shortage of studio space in Hollywood right now.

And we are hearing like from anecdotally from people that like people who are working on the lots.

You can hear the wind rattling around and you do all the same.

Johnny Carson's ghost.

That's Johnny Gleikey.

That's okay.

He's like, this will be perfect.

So anyway, that's cool.

I hope White Lotus doesn't do the thing that everyone is doing again.

Like it runs through this town like a virus every few years, which is like, I will entertain with a withering satire of the industry I am in.

I think like we're good on that.

That's true, man.

So I hope that the White Lotus doesn't go too far in that direction, but great cast.

Great setting.

It'll be fine.

And Mike White, I wonder how being unsurvivable affect, you know, his his production this year.

You'd have to weigh in on it.

Well, he was he's no longer on it, you know, on this season.

I didn't know.

And but he is jacked.

Did I tell you that you sent me a image?

Yeah, I was like, how do you do this?

To be clear, it's not weird.

Chris has sent me pictures of Mike White each side for years.

It's more of like an on tracking tracking.

Yeah, it's not by lacking my way.

We cannot become Mike White, but we can recreate his torso and aggregate.

Oh, Christ, I have a question for you.

Okay.

You jump in at any point.

If you feel like you're like taking his in different directions.

I'm great.

Look me in the eye.

Take a sip of coffee and then and I'm going to ask the group here as well.

Okay.

Yeah.

Are you going to read Lena Dunham's memoir?

No.

Fame sick.

I'm not.

Have you been intrigued by it?

Intrigue mean voraciously consume all content outside of reading.

So why not read the memoir?

Because you feel like you can get it's like reading literary criticism where you get both.

I get the theories about it.

That is a deep kicking and screaming reference and I respected.

Oh, is it?

Yeah.

Sorry, I just pictured aigamin.

Well, no, it's more like I am not that interested, but I am also a human.

Yeah.

It's that kind of thing.

Where are you with it?

I wasn't.

And then I was like, I kind of would like to read about the making of girls.

Yeah.

It's a very specific moment in TV history.

Also, just want to hear about Jemima Kirk and Zosha Mammoth living together.

And that apparently not going well.

I obviously have read a lot of the aggregated stuff about driver and about the making of the

show.

I don't know how much post girls lean and don't know my need.

Well, in terms of like our memoir, how much of the memoir is dedicated to directing the pilot

of industry during the pandemic?

That's the problem.

It's like I got a control F industry, but then it'll probably be a lot of stuff about industries.

Other industries.

Yeah.

Cool.

Shipping.

I'm going to read this now.

Damn it.

Kaya.

Yeah, where are you, Kaya?

Oh, I'm on the wait list at my library.

I'm ready to go.

So will you give us a report?

Sure.

I was doing the audio book while she drives around.

Did Lena read her own audio book?

I think so.

It would be amazing.

It would be funny if Jemima Kirk read it.

She was like, wait, that's me, me.

That's Jemima Kirk invitation.

From Ben Cooper.

It's Jemima Kirk.

Jemima Kirk.

I thought the, I thought her interview with David Marcazi in the times this weekend was

fascinating.

And I, it does sound like for as much as, it sounds like she's in a healthier place.

And certainly the perspective that she's bringing to this is on par with the kind of savage

self-surgery that she's done for much of her career.

There was something in the way that she was talking about what she felt she had to do

and what fame did to her and what being an artist has done to her and what it continues

to do that did make me feel on a human level.

Because this is someone that I've met and spoken to and liked a lot.

That maybe sometimes you should do something else or just direct or something like there

is this constant.

We never do, do we?

No, look at us.

We're on camera.

But I found that I'm directing this.

You're doing great.

I did find the like the, it just felt, some of it felt really rough.

And that is interesting to her to continue to mine.

But I felt empathy more than lured interest, I guess, if I'm going to be serious about

it when I read it.

Or do you read it instead?

One of my readings instead.

Yeah.

I've got a great book, man.

I'm over there.

I'm reading this book called Lives of the Saints by Nancy Lemon.

Okay.

It's awesome.

Is it new?

No, it's her first book from the 80s, but she has a new book out also from New York

Review of Books called Oyster Diaries.

And she's, it's one of those things where like Jeff Diarrhoew writes the intro and is

like eventually the long arm of time returns masterpieces to print.

I'm like, yeah, let's go.

So, M-Y-R-B, are you going exclusive M-Y-R-B right now?

I'm negotiating with them.

I would like to get an exclusive look.

I have never more desperately begged for a brand endorsement.

Like I would wear that on my uniform.

And they are.

And they are.

They are for the six secrets.

They are.

Yes.

And they are uninterested in that, this kind of sponsorship right now.

I don't know why.

But that's a great book.

Why would, why would they not be interested in you?

You talk about M-Y-R-B more than you talk about like, because I think you know what they're

with.

You know what I think their point is.

And I don't know this because I've never spoken to the great men and women of M-Y-R-B.

Yeah.

The order of view of books if we haven't said it.

I don't think they need to pay me because look at me.

Oh, yeah.

That's the problem.

I'm giving it away.

This is the problem with influencing.

Yes.

You have to withhold your influence until you're paid for.

And you know me, I'm very generous with my influence.

Well, one thing that I feel like we can take, like the smallest amount of credit for influencing

is the fact that the Bureau has got like a degree of domestic.

I mean, look, I'm not saying that we were ever like the dudes who brought the Bureau

across the pond and were like, serves what we discovered.

That was our predecessors at the AMC network.

That's right.

Are we ready to announce or not?

Yeah.

But the Bureau obviously, Eric Worshaw, and Spy drama from a few years ago, it's celebrating

its 10th anniversary in 2025, I believe.

It did, yeah.

Yes.

And still just an absolute diamond of a television show that I think about all the time is currently

being remade in English language as the agency on Paramount Plus, which is a sign of a great

source material where I'm enjoying watching the show again in English.

Absolutely.

I can't wait for the second season.

I think it will improve on the first.

And he's got a new show on Netflix.

Now I had initially started this as this is the problem with Netflix.

They don't tell us about these things like where was the trailer, where was the drum

beat from the critically acclaimed creator of Libero did a little bit of reading into

this, although it was hard to come by.

And it does seem like Worshaw has had, he's got a production company called Maui.

And over the last couple of years has shepherded or co-created or co-executive produced or

whatever.

Several shows, some of which like there's one that's on Disney Plus, I believe.

And that like, this is not like the first thing he has done since the bureau went off

the air or anything.

Just to interject, I do think the reason we're talking about him is because it's for the

same reason we talked about Pluripus in the sense that when people who've created truly

great art within this medium that we cover do the next thing.

It's worth our attention.

Absolutely.

And then, like I said, I got an email in our inbox about Bandy.

I saw that it was the number seven and now number eight show on Netflix.

I was sort of surprised that I hadn't heard about what it was doing a little bit of research

into it's created by Worshaw and his daughter.

Yeah, Capucine.

Capucine.

And it is in his own words, self-consciously, an effort on his part to make something in

the top boy, Peaky Blinders Netflix genre, you know, of sprawling crime drama, intergenerational,

one family moving through like a cityscape.

So obviously top boy set in London, Peaky Blinders set in Birmingham.

This is set in Martinique and is about the La Flure family, a rather large family in

Martinique.

Eleven kids raging from like six or seven to early 20s.

Who are grappling with a family tragedy and deciding where to go with the family in

terms of the legitimacy of like their family business.

There's like a central kid played.

There's a central kid named Killian, I believe.

Kiki.

Kiki, who's his like street name is Melored and he is getting into the drug business and

finding out about like the international drug trade out of Martinique.

I watched the first episode last night.

You checked it out this morning.

What did you think?

Yeah, I, first of all, making a TV show with your daughter.

Come on.

Goals.

That's so sweet.

So I've already all the way in.

What if you were like, I don't like this kind of nepotism and I won't even watch the

show.

What if I was like that?

Do you want me to do the rest of the show in character?

No, but like if it was his son, would you be like, God, I'm not so, not so into this.

I did just feel my whole self go cold, just completely lost interest.

I found, well, big picture, I think incredibly exciting anytime Netflix's budget and cameras

go to a place that we don't spend a lot of time.

Absolutely.

It looks beautiful.

It's in Martinique a place that I would like to spend more time in and it is taking us

in back streets and homes and bars and just bringing a place to life in the way that international

crime fiction can do and a national crime television can do that I found really, really exciting.

I think they've managed to find some really exciting charismatic actors at least even through

just one episode.

Many non-professional actors.

Yeah.

Intrigued. I would say that for people who are hearing all of our raves about it, I would

reset expectations just to say that one of the things about Libero that was really, really

remarkable over time is Roshantz.

Again, not unlike, this is the one thing that I would compare it to Vince Gilligan, very,

very interested in minutia and bureaucracy and process.

So the show is very A to B to C to D about introducing huge swath of characters in a place

you've never been and a lot of the potential is ahead.

So it really does a yeoman-like job of setting the groundwork for something that it could

be interesting.

But I'll say that I didn't find this episode to be like.

I didn't feel energized and exhilarated at the end of it.

There's not a lot of wit or surprise or verve.

What there is is a lot of solid story building and a lot of promising leads and a canvas

that I would like to see.

In the first episode, if you watch a lot of criminal underworld TV or even a fair amount,

a lot of very familiar meets.

A lot of one brother who is going one direction and another brother who's going another,

there's the mysterious drug lord who takes smaller and under his wing.

There is a lot of just basically mechanics that you would be familiar with if you've

watched power or if you've watched a top boy or whatever it is.

I think that the thing that jumped out at me wasn't really, and this isn't really a critique

because I think it's a really interesting gambit, but I do think that working with a lot

of non-professional actors puts the show in a little bit of a disadvantage if it's also

going to be a little bit cliche in its story.

Now that being said, if you watch the first episode of the bureau, you might say this

is a lot of spy shows I've seen before and obviously a change.

I'm going to keep checking out episodes of Bandy, but yeah, it was a little bit of a

let down in so much as I had five minutes of knowing it existed before I checked it out

and then was like, oh, okay, maybe this isn't like on the level of the bureau yet or whatever.

Maybe that's not the intention.

It also is a show, you know, the other thing that we might be responding to slightly, I

think everything we've said about it is probably that's the top line headline in his valid,

but I do think that we are still, despite our interest in international shows, we are

increasingly unused to seeing pilots that don't have to make the case for themselves within

the first 50 minutes.

This is an episode of television that was clearly written knowing that we're going to be seven

more and potentially 20 to 30 to 40 more due to his stature or due to his confidence.

I mean, it hasn't been renewed, but I'm, but then what pilots are required to do these

days in this country, in this industry is set off the entire sky full of fireworks, like

the pit had to do.

Yes, like the paradise had to do.

And yes, and then it leaves everyone who's making a show being like, well, now what's

the series?

Yes.

Because I burned it all in the first 56 minutes.

This show does not burn it all in the first 56 minutes and I respect that.

I was going to mention that there is still talk that he is going to return to the world

of espionage in a 2025 interview.

I read with Roshant, he was talking about a show called Secret World, I believe, that he

was working on, which was going to be about agents from five different countries.

But he spoke very eloquently in this interview about how the paradigm of spy fiction and

spy, spy stories as essentially shifted and is changing almost faster than a TV show

can capture.

And that essentially, if you went back six months and were like, what's the state of AI last

October versus today, it would be so different.

And even the global stage and the changes that have happened in the Middle East, it would

be very difficult to document that or to reflect that in the TV show.

So I think he's maybe not struggling with it, but is adjusting to it.

I mean, it was interesting.

I think now five, six years ago, he had a pilot called the Chinese room that was going

to be a return to the spy world that didn't get made for whatever reason.

That was a peacock.

I think that I'm not sure if he was ever set up at peacock, but I know it was being

passed around people around.

But the script was sort of yeah.

And one of the reasons he was doing it is because you know, you could see in each season

of Libero, he was like the aperture of getting wider as he was both realizing and engaging

with shifting tides in the world.

And the antagonists kept changing and who is actually behind it, who is ascendant in the

world.

And he hadn't really dealt with China's role in global espionage.

No, I mean, the show is to interconnect like Russia and Syria and Iran.

Yeah.

So I hope we hear more from him.

I think that to that point, I'm more from him in the spy space.

But to that point, this is a subtle detail.

But one thing that I appreciated in the bandy pilot is that the fact that all characters

have cell phones is a part of the story in a way that doesn't feel intrusive.

Time and time again, you will see pilots for probably movies too, where the writers are

like, I yearn for a world where characters weren't constantly on their phones.

Thus, I will create it on screen except for the time my one character has to call the

other character.

Yes.

And so you feel that artificiality.

Sometimes it can be fine and you don't notice it.

But it's important, I think, to notice when it's done relatively casually and normally

and easily.

It feels very baked into the world.

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That's it for news.

The Madison has been renewed for a third season.

I thought I'd mention that to you.

Congratulations on your lobbying work behind the scenes on that.

Yes.

Case Street really came through for me.

Let's get to the pit finale.

I think we should.

You know what?

The reasons why I wasn't tripping over myself to get to it is I loved it, but it also felt

a bit like it was reiterating some of the stuff that had been saying over the last three

weeks rather than breaking any new ground.

Probably for the best.

I don't know that ending on a cliffhanger or, you know, I don't know how many more fireworks

this show could have.

Literally.

Let's start with Robbie's darkness, which has been obviously a growing concern over the

course of the whole season, but especially in the last couple of weeks with his conversations

with Dana, especially with Duke.

And in this episode with Abbott concerning whether or not he is considering taking his own

life, what the purpose of this quote unquote spirit quest is going to be his helmetless trip

to the Dakotas.

I thought this was an interesting place to start with this would just be, did you note

or feel like he changed, he moved the goal posts a little bit and what he was saying

is to Duke previous week, he had said, everything in the hospital makes sense to me.

It's everything outside of the hospital that I can't deal with.

Then to Abbott, he was like every time somebody dies in this hospital, I piece it myself for

piece of my soul dies to us.

So what was your read on that?

If you noticed it and where you at with where Robbie ends.

He also says, and I thought this was worth noting too, he says that every good thing he's

ever done for the world is in the hospital.

I thought, well broadly speaking, I really love the finale and I really love engaging

with the show both for what's on the screen and what I can't help but kind of try to

mind read are the logistics and conversations and decision making that is happening behind

the scenes in terms of what to push forward and what to pull back on.

This shows I think pretty active engagement due to its quick turnaround time with its

audience and knowing what they might expect and how they could still surprise us.

Broadly speaking, it is a bold gambit to build a season this way that having educated us

on one season about the craziest, most violent day in the history of the emergency department

probably, condition us for something similar and then kind of have that not really be the

case.

It's a day from hell for any number of reasons but the long night of the soul is really

internal and it's Robbie's dark night of the soul.

One of the downstream effects of that decision is that as things get quieter and we get

closer and more tied to Robbie's head, we start to notice some things good and bad and

one of the potentially bad things is that he does have a version of the same conversation

two to four times.

Yes.

I couldn't help but notice that.

You also couldn't help but notice then that the show kind of asserted the primacy of

this character which is not a surprise and actually works for the show.

If you watch the show under the impression that it is somehow an ensemble piece, I advise

you to take a look at the series season posters for season one and two, both of which are

pretty much one man's face.

The downstream effects of that are that some characters get nice little buttons on their

season and some closure.

Some characters get used for shock value not in a bad way again but like what's her name

checking out early for boundaries and joy checking out early for boundaries or Jesse getting

arrested by ice.

But then you also get things and you could probably put a pin in this and come back to

it but Dr. Mohan's goodbye essentially being all about Robbie.

My one note about that was lovely seeing if they had not made a giant public announcement

that she was leaving the show.

I would not have thought of that as her last name.

Exactly.

I really, really respect the gambit what they did with the season and I thought they

landed it in a way that felt slightly surprising but ultimately right.

And the reason I say that is that when we live in our real lives, even those of us who

are anxious and have prone to catastrophizing thoughts, the worst, worst things, the most

violent, horrible, hideous things often don't happen and what you have to deal with is

the margins and dealing with what your day to day is.

The nature of the show means that at least one to ten times per episode, the worst, most

hideous, violent things happen in the margins on the operating table or what have you.

So what the show can do then is force Robbie to live with the margins of that.

Talk about other people's death and what it's doing to him.

Flirt with the idea of driving a motorcycle off a cliff like a buffalo but really be stuck

with himself and his best intentions, caring for a baby and his worst intentions, yelling

at Dr. Alashimi.

So to your point about it being the Robbie show towards the end of the season, I thought

that that's why the Alashimi confrontation was better than just reiterating her or further

explaining her situation, her condition, which is she has historically had seizures but

long had, she has historically had seizures but through treatment has been able to get them

under control but experiences too on this her first day as the senior attending at the ED

to take over for Robbie in this absence.

The implication for that is that we saw at least one of them on camera with the baby.

She had one with baby Jindo and that she had one when she was looking at the kid who needed

to be in the, like, yes, and he caught that one.

And he caught that one and kind of like sharks around the ED until he can get to the bottom of it.

But it's her confession to him.

It's her showing him her, her medical history and he's just like,

Ron is this you and then they have this nice conversation at first, although Robbie is starting

to be like, it seems like you're trying to talk me into how this is all okay.

And at the end of the day, she's like, so we're good.

My neurologist said, I need to just try this different medication.

And he's like, we're not good.

You can't, you can't be in the attending here if you can't do procedures because you can't

always have another attending with you, which is now explained maybe why she was like, I've decided

we need two seniors on staff all the time.

During their big fight that they have in that moment, she says, like, you're making this all

about you. Like you're so narcissistic essentially.

And this is kind of an interesting thing that's happened over the last couple of weeks.

And I can't help but also bring in a little bit of the outer pit discourse about like,

I'm ready.

Robbie has a good or a bad man or boss because I don't really like let that affect how I watch the show

at all. But it, it's the show's right on the line of giving us enough of other people's opinions

about Robbie within the world of the show to have some distance from Robbie as a character while we

watch it versus we're just watching this guy. And it's like, it's just more guys like Robbie.

We're in charge of the world. We've just all be a better place. And you know, so a couple of

people are like, you're a dick or you need help or you're a narcissist. But the show is about

this guy holding a baby at the end of it and being like, you know what I mean? Like it's about

Robbie. So it's like right up against like, who's POV who we see this guy through?

I think it's a really good point to make. But I think the show is more subtle than critics might suggest.

Absolutely. Yeah.

I mean, I mean, it's certainly not subtle in some ways when it does direct the camera address.

But I don't know if you know this. So Robbie says the only things I can control are in this room.

And that the human stuff is impossible for him. We see it in practice when a pregnant woman arrives

in pre-eclampsia and distress and says, I don't want any medical care. I don't want any medical

intervention. Here's what I believe. Here's what I want. And then as soon as she starts seizing,

the doctors conductor, you know, which is not presented as like a great outcome. It's an

incredibly tense and dramatic scene. But it is an example. It's so crazy. And we should talk about it.

There's on a tone merits. But I'm just saying they, the show knows what it's doing when it gives

them a chance for things to get easy for them when it gets hard. And the show is also being its best

self. I think when it ends with Robbie holding the baby and telling the baby that the baby he's

going to be fine, that everything's okay and that the baby's going to have a lot of love in her life.

And I will say this is something that I've said as a parent. I'm sure Eric Roshant has said this

to Kapocene, his screenwriting daughter. But he doesn't know that. I've said it to Vijay Edge coming

and he doesn't know that either. I'm just building my son. I think in that case, you're right.

I think you have some certainty that it's going to be fine for him. So maybe you're choosing wisely.

I just mean that like that, that the illusion of control at the heart of the show is woven more subtly

through the episode than I think the view maxims. So it's like, let's pound this. I might appreciate.

The subtle kind of details in Robbie's like, so here's one thing that I thought was really interesting.

The sort of action set piece of this episode is an emergency C section where the lives of both the

mother and the baby you mentioned this woman who is wants to do a wild birth. And is refused

all prenatal care and doesn't want any medicine. And he's like, ultrasounds and Abbot asks her why

and she's like, women have been giving birth for thousands of years and he's like at a like 30%

mortality rate. You know, that's, this is crazy. We have all this stuff for you. She starts seizing.

She's preeclampsia. At that point, she becomes full of clamps. Yeah. I didn't know that.

Neither did I that that was a transition. And all the hitters are in the room. The night shift is

rocking out. And Robbie is brought in kind of like as the closer Edwin Diaz coming out of the bullpen.

And I thought it was interesting. No, Durand. You're giving it. You're wearing the fillies hat

today. But you're still keeping them guessing. You are appealing to all 50 states. He comes in

and he sees what's happening and he's obviously been in and out of this room. And he kind of has

his own seizure. Yeah. He has his emotional kind of like, I fucking can't make the last patient I

see before God knows what happens to me. Yeah. Is going to be the death of a mother and or a newborn.

And he has like a moment where they're like, bro, like, glove up. Let's go. And then what they do

is essentially the pit version of of the heat band robbery. I mean, it is the most gripping

kind of, you know, stomach turning. If you, you know, it's it's among the more

visceral things that they've done on this show. It was a masterpiece of technique. It was like,

I was like, I forgot to breathe for two and a half minutes. It was just one of the most. What was your

appgar score? That was blue. Hello. That's blue. They bring McCayon. It's just an incredible scene,

dude. I don't know if you were able to watch it. Like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I as a girl,

dad, see sections are cool. Yeah. Yeah. It feels like a nine or 12 year old. I'd be like, I can't

watch this. But like, it's a nine year old falls in a pool. It's a sliding window. You know what I

mean? I care about what I care about. Yeah. That's how you feel about rookies into the second year

player. I didn't interested in G league development guys. That's right. What did you think of the scene?

Oh, I was just going to say like that they did not put to find a point on the fact that the very

thing that Robbie is sort of saying is happening to Braun, which is you kind of aren't

unable to do procedures. Almost happens to him. Yeah. I also just in that moment, I in that moment,

when I'm just watching the technical brilliance of the people who make this show executing something

on such a high level with the choreography of the actors, the performance of the actors, the lighting,

the camera movement, the stuff I usually don't even look at or care about, like the how real does

this love viscera. Yeah. Truly was unmatched. And I also really liked the way again. Like, it's

just these little things that they decided to do, which is the last two episodes we will focus

very, very intently on one horrific, potentially bad outcome medical scene per episode. Last

week it was lined and resetting the guys spine. Yeah. And this week it was it was this birth. And

look, it's a it's a five-tool player as a show. They're showing you what they can do in miniature

as well as what they've done in the past with chaos. So, what do we, Ogle V lost a patient, the teacher

who was really nice. Yeah. Louis died. Yeah. That's a pretty good game. There's the someone lost the

leg above the knee. But it could have been worse. It could have been worse. Yeah. It's a year's take

on the day was pretty good good game guys. I for all the adversity that they faced with the digital

stuff. It's true. You know, everybody's really tired. They're charting while they're while they're

working and stuff. It's true. Let's talk about the show's relationship with catastrophe because one

thing that happens over time in any TV show, even not medical ones, is we just feel so close,

so much empathy, so connected to characters that we really just want good outcomes for them.

We want them to win and often shows start to service the audience as well. I thought one of the

smart things that this episode did and I don't know, I'm I'd be curious to ask if we get the chance

to talk to Noah again. What they how they discuss this in the in the writers room, how much thought

they give to perception. What I mean by that is there were a number of moments in this episode where

even I feel like I have a pretty good read on how the show operates, but even I am not immune to

being like Dr. Alashimi shouldn't be driving on a roof right now. Yes. We're going back to the old

like Don and Sally Draper in a car and being like, please, please don't get an accident.

Because back further to Diana Moldauer on LA law as Rosalind, whatever, stepping into an elevator

shaft. You know what I mean? Like that like there was a and even Mohan being like, well,

is that her last scene? She's standing in the ambulance bay and those Ambo drivers get a little

while they clip the edges sometimes wondering if that was going to happen. Whether or not that like

the way that that ended left the door open for supraig and us to come back to the show.

Well, I think the doors are always open for characters on the show. Unlike E.R. thus far,

helicopters aren't falling on them. Yes. You know, like they are just medical professionals in

other cities and the show, which is very smart, can be clever about bringing people in and out

for short stays, long stays, callbacks, whatever. So I think that that's always, always in play.

Even the season, not really, not ultimately that important for the storyline, but something to note

that they might consider again is when the night charge nurse shows up 10 a.m. as a death

duel. Right? Or that people have others like Abbott, people have other jobs. Yes, they have hobbies.

They can show up as patients as well. The alashimi ending note of her in her car, I thought it was

very well done. And I thought that that's a character who has not been given a lot of like

room to like kind of stretch out. She's a very buttoned up character. Yes. And I even just like

watching her like walk out with her headphones in. Like I was like, this is cool to see this moment

with this person. I thought they were setting it up for Robbie finds her, her like water bottle

and is going to go like run after her and like apologize to her at the car or maybe she does

have an episode and he saves her or whatever. So it was interesting that that was not how it ended

and that's just basically like this woman at a crossroads in her life. As are many of these

characters, I was going to mention to you the, well, I want to talk about Langdon Orlando had a bad

outcome. What happened to him? He fell off something that was too small.

Flippin about it. This is an issue development of the second season is that you know from our

Hawaiian death prayer to there's a dead guy in the waiting room and Orlando should have picked a

higher place to jump from is like a little bit of a change of tone. A little gallows humor.

We talked a little bit about Mohan. I like I said, wouldn't have known that she was leaving

unless there had been 50, 500 articles about it. What do you think about the Greek

classification of Whitaker, Mel, McKay and Santos and like basically keeping them around for three

episodes after their shift ends to sit at a computer and banter but having little to no dramatic

arc for any of them. Well, other than Mel's sister, I guess. I mean, I think that's something

that I would imagine they are going to try to look at in they're just finishing the writers room

for season three but that they are looking at and what to do. Like Robbie is the main character of

the show and he shares that distinction a little bit, I guess, with the the ED itself.

And maybe Dana is one B. There's not a lot of a story real estate to go around on the show.

And to that point, making the decision that they he's now said publicly, which is a much shorter

time jump. So it does sound like they'll be going from July towards to winterish. Yeah.

We'll allow them to pick up these characters more rapidly and thus continue a story. Maybe

they've established this season. The attempts to give each one of these smaller characters some

individual arc, I think was really hit or miss if we're looking back on the course of the season.

I think that Mikae wanting to have a personal life,

great color episode to episode. She's giving great performance but I don't think that really landed.

Well, they're not going to go out on the date with her. So it's almost like she would have to

have left at like eight o'clock and been like, I have a date tonight. So I can't do it. Yeah.

Mel being forced to do a second deposition just doesn't really hit for me. You like that.

Not if we're not going to see the deposition. Also, what was the case? What are the states?

It's the case from the year before where I think her and Elisabeth's spinal tap. It's from season one.

Oh, it is. Okay. So maybe that's my fault that I was like, I can't talk about what I said,

but I want to tell you like you're a good doctor. So that might come back since Elis is now

also being upstream to the day, day shift. Javati maybe more successful because also that was the

most ER in its small moments way. I think the most ER plot line because one of the challenges

ER had was like, how will we keep these characters here? And her becoming an emergency mental,

like emergency psychiatry. Yeah. So she's going to be on the show now. Obviously, she's going to be

on the show, but that locks her in. It's like that dude, the pirates just called up and they

was like, he played two games, covered riff and they're like two games. So like, here's a nine-year

tiger. It's just did that too. It's a great time to be 19 and the MLB. That's so sick. Yeah,

eight years, 150. Did you know that like when did we start this pod 2012? Like mid 2013,

I went to Bill and I was like, lock me up. Please, 10-year deal. He was like, no, bet on yourself.

Yeah, look where it got me. Still be here waiting for that. Wait for that, baby. If the rule you followed

brought you back to me. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, like the difference, I think with someone like

Whitaker is the Whitaker's role really is mini-Robbie. So what Robbie does now kind of reflects on him,

how he is being a doctor, how he is showing up, what he's so it's interesting watching the show

figure this out. And I genuinely don't again with no actual knowledge of what's going on behind the

scenes. I really am exhausted by the assumptions by a rabid fandom that there's some conspiracy plot

to get rid of Supriya Ganesh and Dr. Mohan. Like sometimes characters don't take flight and it's

not about the actor. And I'm sure that people involved with the show would never blame her. They

couldn't find a place for this character, a place for her to go. Yes, I also, I mean, like I enjoy

the character. I enjoy the performance quite a bit. One of my least favorite things about TV

shows is when they're just like, and we've also added six more people. And yet we're going to

try and make room for the original six, the new six, and all the people in the background. I want

to talk a little bit about Langdon who I was a bit surprised got like the arc that he did the

season. I suppose and this is in relationship to the Greek chorusification of those other characters

that I mentioned Santos, especially who I think was much more central to the first season.

And in this season is more like kind of like over it and also making a lot of jokes, but didn't

really have like a huge moment other than her confrontation with Langdon, which I thought was

quite good. But you this karaoke erasure will not stand because they they they they chickened out

and didn't leave the hospital. I wanted to see them rocking out and singing. You clearly turned off

the show too fast. Did they go to karaoke after the fireworks? Yes. Oh, I did I did. I was I was

I was testing you there. Yeah. Yeah. How's karaoke? What'd she sing? They sing you ought to know.

Oh, that's good. She and Mel rocking out on stage together. And that's how the season that's just

a might be. Yeah. That's accountability. Listen, if the Marvel movies taught you anything, it's

stay tuned through the credits. You get a little stinger. Yeah. It said executive producer and then

and then you heard the music. Oh, come on. Yeah, dude. Yeah. What do you guys want for me? I'm

I'm grinding a lot of tape here. You know, you would have seen conformity gate too if you would

just kept it rolling. What's conformity gate? Isn't that the that's the stranger things episode

that came out of the finale? Yes. Well, I saw it. I saw it. It's one of my large language models

are working on that right now. Some of my large language models. That's what LLM stands for, right?

Sure. Type it into Google. I dare you. It's probably something quite, quite obscene. Yeah,

they show karaoke. Anyway, Langdon did not get invited. He also took off setting boundaries for

himself. Well, actually, he doesn't. He comes back down. Has this fight with Robbie. I will say for

a brief split second, I thought that dude was going to have some some some dirty work in his pockets

when they're like turning pockets out. I was like, yeah, I have a perk. What's going on? Yeah.

He did not. He did not. Vue, where he did not. He was clean and sober. And he does his drug test.

Maybe it's a little cocky pun intended. Yeah. I mean, he does his drug test. He goes up. He sees that

mercilady lost her leg but saved her life. Yep. Goes back downstairs and pops off at Robbie a

little bit. He does. He's had enough. I don't know if that's in the steps. You know what I mean?

I don't know if that's that's part of the program. But he is just like, you don't like, you know,

I'm doing the work. I came back. I showed I belong here, but I could have paralyzed that guy.

Like, I don't know what kind of teaching methods this is. And he's like, everybody knows your

you're on the edge and you need to get help. I thought that was decent because one thing that

you will notice if you watch the last three episodes is that Robbie has not made much of a secret

of his despair. You know, like he has talked to Duke about it. Dana obviously can see it. Abit

can obviously see it. Everybody's talking, you know, about this. What did you think of the Langdon

arc and what did you think of that moment with him? I've decided to double down on my number one

criticism of the show, which is that someone's got a fuck his hair up. I thought I've done some

time. I've done I've done some work. I've done some reflection on how I just called that out a

few weeks ago in the reaction it got frankly in this room. That's the least important thing I could

possibly care about. And I've decided it does matter. And I hope that the powers that he listened

to this note because this man just worked 15 hours through through savage back pain, which he

is trading with wearing a Pittsburgh penguins hat. Right, which would have had an effect on the look.

He I just want to see that he's been through the day that we've seen him be through.

Then we've seen him go through. Yeah. Everyone else that like a little bit they look a little bit

worse for yeah. I think looks amazing. Okay, I hear I genuinely notice I would say I'm done.

I turned off the episode after that. No, I think that the worst tendencies of the pit are the

fact that within the structure that they've created and the way that they have to process time and

story that when the tide goes out and suddenly characters have a brief moment to to to talk,

there's almost too much pressure on that moment to deliver something that feels as natural and

humanistic as much of the rest of the show when it's at its normal cadence. That happened last

week when Whitaker popped off at Langdon all of the sudden and was it consistent with how he probably

was feeling based on what we've seen. Sure, but we've never seen them talk to each other like that

and it felt kind of jarring. Yes. I felt similarly about this scene. It was meaningful.

It had to happen. It was foreshadowed appropriately when Robbie had realized that he wanted to say

something to him before he left and asked him where he went. It was better dramatically that it wasn't

another learning hug at the end of the season. It gives us somewhere else to go, but also in the

flow of the episode as it was delivered to us, it was another one-on-one scene where someone tells

Robbie a version of You Need Help Man. We've had a couple of those. It was a different tenor,

it was a different relationship. Screaming, we've had take accountability, we've had your

narcissists, you've got to embrace the darkness. We've had hugs. I thought it was actually

on a total a really amazing portrait of the importance of talking to people and the importance of

like, you know, in some way I think that this episode or the season has been Robbie's cry for help

and it seems like it's been heard a fair amount. I thought the conversely, I thought the

Abbott scene was pretty spectacular. Yeah, man. Those two guys black and out in that scene. He's

incredible. It's the right level of intensity and guys don't talk about feelings, but also

some jokes that also... Maybe guys do talk about feelings if they save two lives and just dump

a bunch of pads inside of an empty stomach. You know what I mean? I wondered if you were going to

ask about that. That's just like, that's the crazy shit with doctrine where they'll be like,

oh, we have to do all this elaborate. Don't do this to the vein and move that and we're going to

do this crazy laser underneath. Then one part of it will be like, shove a ton of gauze into this

guy's gut and let's see if we can stop the bleeding. That is what they did during the Civil War.

Like you guys have to have developed different fucking techniques. Okay, now to be fair, they did not

have gauze in the Civil War. We were starting pictures anymore. Why are you guys still pumping gauze

into people's stomachs? I also thought it's a little... What are they going to get it out?

That's what I was going to say. Is this all? No, it's a little bit of a fun game for the friends

upstairs. Yeah, a guy is like, fine, my gauze. You texted me 12 minutes ago. What the fuck happened

also? Where's all my gauze? Can I reuse it? I really liked when I like the

avid line about I'm your emergency contact and I do not want to be contacted. I thought that was

a great line and I just thought the way that they spoke. Am I your emergency contact?

I'll find out. I got a motorcycle trip coming out. You're gonna cut your brakes and just to see.

What if you just got a... What if you got a call being like, thank God we've reached you.

Your Andy's emergency contact. HIPAA laws prohibit us telling you much, but his entire

midsection is bursting with gauze. Sounds like you guys saved me.

He sounds like you got it. And then you'd be like that George Bush meme. You're like, now watch this drive.

I'm just... We got probably a... it sounds like a six month time jump coming. So it'll be

interesting to see whether that is geared both because they want to get some some autumn

noles slash winter disasters going. But and I maybe we can get like a hockey rink kind of situation

whatever. Yeah. Penguins. But also like that would put alashimi and roby on track to be back

in if they want to do that. Great season. Do you feel...

I loved it. Last thing. I... you know there's two types of discourse that I... well there's many

types of discourse that I don't like. But the purposes of this show, one that I really have no

time for is to like give this man all the Emmys now. But the second one I also don't like is

this blank spin-off when that said this show is just heaving for a night shift. Like it is

this episode when not only does it let Abbott take center stage but he is leading his crew in a bespoke

chance saying that they are night crawlers. This is my one prediction for season three.

Is in the same way that they did Abbott shows up briefly in the first half of the season and then

runs like the last three or four is much bigger presence. I do wonder if we get like three episodes,

four episodes of Abbott now is finishing a shift. Yeah. I think we should... I think it would be great

to start the season. Just because Ellis is being brought up to the main cast and then that would be like

that would be really interesting. If day shifts has to come in and like whatever what could happen

in the morning. Like a big tractor trailer accident out there outside of Pittsburgh. I don't think

this can happen or will happen for a variety of like specific production based reasons. But

it has definitely at least been floated that if they could get the timing right they could run the pit

all year by alternating use of the set by having a day shift. Could you handle that as a viewer?

Yeah. I mean I think it wouldn't really serve anyone other than potentially future owner of the

hospital David Ellison. Like I don't... I think just in terms of the bastardization of story and

attention it's probably not worth it. But could I handle it? Yeah. Like I actively I feel quite sad

that that was the finale because it's... I enjoy this job but I also just enjoy having a show

like that to watch. It's it's it's unique to the feeling of one of those monocultural shows that we

we know and love where I feel like anticipation for the moment that I'm going to turn it on

and excitement to talk about it afterwards. And just eagerness to turn it off apparently even

before it ends. That's my bad. I thought when I got to R. Scott Jemmel it was all I'm all clear.

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In a classroom of sodas most they quiet then there's Mr. Pib sweet cherry bowed out first the kind

of flavor that gets attention. Bow kick up chair. I miss the pen. Let's do top chef for a few

minutes here. Okay. So that was the pit finale thumbs up from the pit hospital to the barbecue pit.

That's right. Spoilers for top chef and I will say we're going to get a little bit granular here

about top chef as a production. So spoilers also for last chance kitchen. Yeah we have to we have

to. I begin at the end. Okay. Is that okay? Do it do what you need to do. What happened? What happened

there? So Seager loses on the show itself. Yep. You can debate whether or not like his

he was was he falling on a sword was he making some great hero move to like cook the whole hog

himself and stay up all night and cook the toughest part of the the pig. I don't know enough about

pigs to tell you. You know like there is I thought Lawrence did a great job. There were some good

looking dishes but for the most part this seemed like a very difficult challenge. Yeah. And also

a complicated one in so much as it was two teams a captain but then there was you know Justin's

cooking but with like Jen's milk bread that everybody seemed to love. Yada yada Seager loses. I

wouldn't say you lost like entirely gracefully. He seems a little bit like see fucking soon dog

you know to everybody. Yeah. They go to last chance kitchen and Tom is like basically like I can't

explain what's going on but we don't have a challenger for Rhoda to eat all will be revealed in

next week's main episode. He says base so the I operating theory seems to be that next week.

There's two main there's two potential outcomes. Yeah go for it. Jen will have to drop out of the

competition before even a quick fire starts and because of that and because she's sort of bit on

warning about like she have to compete if you're going to be here 65 game rule. They will pull her

from the competition and Seager will automatically go back in because he was the last one eliminated.

What's the other theory? The other theory is that he threw a hissy fit and said you guys all suck

I'm out of here. I'm not going to do your funny little after show which has only ever happened one

other time. Oh really? The guy with the hat who got eliminated first the season two seasons ago.

David I think he made like garbage pizza with his business. No offense but I think his business

was literally like you know I'm pizza but with everything on it. No pizza with like scraps that

other restaurants throw. Yeah yeah he was like dumpster diving right and he didn't go to last

chance kitchen. No. Right. Look at your face. You like people who compete. It's incredible.

This has really got your blood up. I could see I could see both happening and I definitely already

be I mean people do receive what's known as the villain edit often in reality shows and I express

my displeasure at Seager's attitude towards the children. Previous week. Yes. For example I don't

think you would like the show Bandy at all because he's not interested in people who collaborate with

adult children. But I also felt like the top chef is as far from the most people's baseline

understanding of reality TV as it can get I think it doesn't really go for soap operatives.

That of like interpersonal dramas and it's mostly especially in the last 15 seasons just generally

uninterested in that and I think that's to its credit. That said whether it's the edit or just

the guy himself Seager was incredibly unlikeable in the over these last two weeks. I felt his like

the way that it was cutting to him. I mean I'm one fun thing this season this I am watching it

with my kids and like them's not really yet knowing the rhythms of the show in which I'm they don't

understand that if you get the interview where they talk about their family or background that

means they're either winning or losing. Yeah and you don't know which. Yes. So the way that Seager was

like you know I've trained with Rodney Scott and I've done all these things with setting him up

to lose but like TV can reveal things even if you know it's not necessarily malicious edit and the

he was so tight and so resentful and angry about how things should be done that he was definitely

yeah set himself a failure and set up for a potential I believe his final interview in this episode

didn't look like other final interviews have been like he seemed to be in a different space

but potentially this was done and that could be either because he bailed or because he had to film

that talking headpiece separate from the normal talking headpiece because of whatever it happened.

Yeah I don't know exactly I'd be curious to know maybe they wouldn't tell us about when they

shoot last chance kitchen in relationship to the episodes I think in times it has been like this

person walked out of an elimination and into last chance kitchen. I've also heard that there have

been seasons in which they shoot last chance kitchen over a course of like two days closer to the end

of production. Interesting. If you are on a show like this before they go like it's basically like

you win last chance kitchen over the course of days and go right back into the regular. I believe

that's right it catches you up to that point right everyone who signs up for the show is committed to

like a blackout they have to be there for those four to six weeks but like theoretically like

Nana could have to sit in last chance kitchen for two weeks or something like that. Yeah we're just in

the hotel. Yeah exactly. The the strangest and last chance kitchen did create a pretty fun. I mean

I kind of liked the chaos of it because Tom was clearly like I don't know what's going on and then

the nature of the challenge that they had to come up with was so bizarre and specific and like

he made them put duck heads into everything but I also kind of liked the fact that there were two

chefs there who were eliminated and he was just like just come and try to win money. Yeah I thought

that was cool. I thought it was cool. I thought it just spoke to perhaps a flaw in the engineering

of the television show like in the production itself if like depending on when they're shooting

this and whatever and like just the fact that you leave an episode of TV and you're like I don't

really understand what happened but not on a cliffhanger way more in a like Tom seems unprepared

something has broken down. Did you have any other big notes from the show itself? Just another

great challenge in what's been a good season. I really like that they made them do something

incredibly specific and hard. There was no quick fire. It was a whole hog cook all night. People

want little nuts stay up all night. I definitely who do you like what do you think is easier

neither is easy but do you think it's easier to stay up all night and then plate a delicious

hog dish or stay up essentially all night and then deliver a baby and save a mother suffering

from the clamps. Yeah. The question is like have you ever done the like my flight is so early I'm

just going to stay up all night. No I can't do that. Yeah that's that's the I I think in any

situation I would be like I'm going to go get a couple hours of sleep somewhere. Yeah.

Like my brain needs to shut down for a second. So I would rather personally just for the just for

the memories do the C section. You know that's not where I thought you were going to go but I could

be the God's guy because it's like it seems like that's just like put a bunch of gauze in the stomach.

Did you first of all you're saying technique to that people don't know this about you.

Edge can love it under. You can be like did you see the video of the the kid who sunk the

half-port for 10 grand at the six-game and then fucking Maxi and did you came out to do that. That's

you even longtime listeners probably don't understand that there was a period about 20 years ago

when you had spent a lot of time watching House MD and thus sort of fancied yourself a bit of an

amateur medicine man and anytime anyone was slightly ill or perhaps hung over your suggestion was

a towel of indeterminate temperature. Yeah sometimes cold sometimes hot. We that we turn to you

like the wise sage him and be like Chris I'm suffering from these ailments and you'd be like

hot towel around the neck. I don't think that was from House. You don't think I mean I think I was

watching House but I think it was more just like I need you to rally. You know like that's probably

true too. It's probably true too. Speaking of sports. Yeah. Switch it. I'm wearing Eagles Green

and that's what I want to talk to you about. My word rub choices. Last night during the Sixers

play in game. Oh yeah. I first of all I thought I found you very quiet yesterday and not particularly

chatty with me that's fine. These days happen but I didn't think that you were like engaging with me.

You want to talk about that? No that was fine because that's not abnormal. What I didn't like

is that when Zach and I were texting about the Sixers incredible performance against the Orlando

magic. Yeah. The only sporting event that anyone cared about that last night. You were like you

guys are so loyal. Yeah. And I was like don't fucking do that. No. Don't do this is a safe space

where we talk about our obsessions and our fandom and you're like you guys really like the Sixers

and I was like are you are you being held for fucking ransom like what is going on? I'm kind of my

heart has been bruised too much. I'm kind of in proven mode with them. It's Wednesday night. What

were you doing? Well clearly I had a full day and the fact that it's driving you crazy you don't

know what I did yesterday. It's okay. I was monitoring the situation. I but I think they had eyes

on the game are always such an abuelient like gregarious fan. You're just like guys.

Because hello brothers like what's Philly's sporting event is happening today. You're like you

guys like this shit huh? First of all it was a bit of a brushback pitch because I have definitely

sent a disproportionate share of Andrew painter texts slash do you think we're going to get Kenyans

to decat 23 texts. And frankly some crickets some mock draft content I sent your way known

responded to that was born like this won't happen but what if it did first of all it wasn't

born well. It was NBC sports Philadelphia dot com. Yeah. So click the link. Anyway. This is my

journalism is glasses. This is why you're like it's probably bill barnwell. I love barnwell but

I was like I saw that on eospeed.com and I was like this is speculated. You didn't even see it.

Yeah. You don't even know the fantasy situation that I was sharing with you for no reason on a

Tuesday at 3 p.m. Okay. This the fucking sixers man like come on. Come on. You don't understand

they're it's jekyll and high man. I do understand and every time it's show is out there it's like

watching a brontosaurus like move across a pasture and you're just like this is not fun. Yeah.

But when it's VJ and maxi and play off p I know but you clear you're still trusting here's the thing.

I love dr. Jekyll. I'm a patient with dr. Jekyll. I make appointments to see dr. Jekyll and then

I'm well I'm while he's examining me. I'm like you want to hang out sometime. Yeah. I've gotten

too close to dr. Jekyll. Do you know what dr. Jekyll is like when you get too close to it?

Dr. Jekyll. Joel and being this no it's the fucking team because then I'm like yeah maybe this team

has a chance then Paul George is suspended for taking drugs. Yes. And then I'm like hey dr. Jekyll

you're looking good again. And then dr. Jekyll is like oh my appendix is just burst before the

playoffs have begun. I don't have the okay. Okay. I'm battered. I'm old. I don't want you to

everything that when I don't respond to your draft your deep deep deep draft lore that it's

anything about like it's not that I don't find it interesting. But I guess what I should do is be

like you sure do read a lot. I do. I read a lot of New York review books content like the great

Nancy lemon book that I'm reading the lives of the Saints New Orleans and eighties come on. You're

gonna love this book. I also read a lot of draft content. Yeah. I'm very excited about the upcoming

NFL draft. I am I have a take too hot for you before we go to that. I would also say that the

reason why I was particularly salty about about the Sixers is because I did peek in on our fight

in fills. Oh yeah. Yeah. Hey, don't you know what they say? Don't even check the standings until

game 60. It's all noise. It's no signal. Who says that? The rates and barrels guy at the athletic

podcast. Wow. And they were like, don't even worry about it until game 60. It's like, yeah,

you could have a disaster season in a game 60. You might not be in it. But yeah, it's all noise.

The signal doesn't start till game 60. Okay. Yeah. That's very calm. Yeah. I love that. Do we have a

rule about that for television shows because I've never found it? No, I mean, that's the problem with

TV is that either I'm not hanging out till game 60. It's too long. Yeah. Yeah. I honestly,

like I'll be completely honest is we're doing after dark. I got I got I realized why I don't like

greeting reviews is that if I get warmed off a show, I'm not really looking forward to the prospect

of watching eight hours of beef. If it's not good, right. But I'll watch anything that's a bad movie.

I don't give a shit. Oh, for sure. It's a time thing. Yeah. But it's just like eight hours of like

something that doesn't work out and is like kind of not focused. But who knows? Maybe the critics

are wrong. And maybe we are the critics that matter. You know, it's possible. Or maybe we are

going to turn vegan from it. What's your hot draft take? I can't share it on on on a recording.

What? I mean, I will share it. But like, then we have to cut it. I'll be completely honest with you.

This is sorry. Sorry. And don't be know if anybody beat this. This would be great. When

that was my draft take. And we didn't we didn't include it in the podcast because

Daniel Jeremiah could never. Thanks to Andy Greenwald. I thought you did a really good job today.

Thank you. But I am just just rookie numbers compared to what you've done today. Sarah,

Kaya, Kaya. Thank you so much for being here. And thank you so much for witnessing my last pod.

If that tape ever gets out. And we'll be back on Monday. Euphoria beef. Margot's got money problems.

It's a big show for us. Yeah. Big show. Big big big show. And we'll talk about since I didn't realize

you were so swayed by reviews. How engaged you are with Euphoria season three. The reviews?

Well, no, you just were like, room reviews are bad. I don't want to watch it. Now you're like,

it's leavenson time. Big Sam coming through. Nobody has his finger on the pulse of young America more.

Yeah, yeah, honestly, you got a point there.

Also, I keep going along for the ride. I love it. Thank you for riding shotgun with me.

See you guys on Monday.