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This week on FBI Profiler, a military detective and a physics teacher all call to add

their two cents on a movie that no one could make sense of,

plus we will find out how mind hunters ripped off Agatha Christie and guess what people?

It's time to go back to 1987 because Black Monday is on Netflix.

That's right, all this and more on a brand new.

How did this get made?

Last looks.

Hit the theme!

Last looks.

Time to close the book on last week's movie.

Correct the information, something don't own it.

Just shine with the chase and you don't want to get lost.

Last looks.

Last looks.

Hello to all my mind hunters.

Welcome to Last Looks.

I am Paul Sheer where you the listener get to voice your issue on mind hunters.

A movie that discord user Sean McBe thinks should have had the tagline mind hunters.

Their only weakness?

Bullets.

Thank you Sean McBe for that amazing tagline, which of course is a reference to

LL Cool J's amazing one liner after killing Johnny Lee Miller.

I don't remember it to be quite honest with you.

I mean I laughed at it because I thought it was funny but don't remember that that's a reference at all.

And that's why Sean McBe is the champ.

He doesn't need you to remember the movie.

He just needs to getcha and he got me.

A big shout out to Chris Cheney for that opening theme song, Chris.

You killed it.

Remember if you have an alt movie tagline you can submit it to us on our discord at discord.gg-hdtgm.

And if you have a last looks theme song like Chris you can just go to httgm.com

and click on the submit a song button on our homepage.

Remember keep them short 15 to 20 seconds is best.

If you don't remember any of that stuff just remember just go to httgm.com.

It's so easy.

Everything is there.

You got pictures you got merch you got episodes and you even got links to the discord in my book.

Everything is there so don't worry about writing it down because I know everyone just

reach for a pen and paper because they're all just going analog.

Ah no no just go to httgm.com you can remember that.

Today what are we going to be doing?

Well I'll tell you we're going to stay pretty much on track to every single episode of this

series which is we're going to go to your corrections and omissions on mind hunters.

Then Jason Manzucus he is going to pop in.

We're going to talk a bit about guess what stuff we like and then of course I will reveal

the movie for next week's episode.

Now lastly I'm going to play a phone call from our friend Garrett from Chicago.

He called him with a question that kind of segues nicely into the last thing I wanted to plug.

Garrett what's on your mind?

Hey Paul I was just listening to the last looks for Ben Dance and you were saying that

you couldn't get black Monday anywhere and then today I see it's coming on Netflix and

I'm going to go week or two.

Did that conversation ever anything to do with that or did someone stronghold somebody after

listening to that?

Literally just came on there.

I just wondering I think that's great show.

Love the show.

We're listening to it for 15 years.

Wow.

All right.

Bye.

Garrett you are right.

Netflix is now the home of black Monday.

Three seasons of black Monday on Netflix.

It's me.

It's Don Cheetle.

It's Regina Hall.

It's Andrew Reynolds.

It's Casey Wilson.

It's June Diane Rayfield.

Eugene Cordero.

Yes or Lester.

The list goes on and on the first episode directed by Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg.

It looks amazing.

It's shot in anamorphic which if you know anything that looks pretty fucking cool.

Anyway I love black Monday.

I just started rewatching it.

I haven't watched it since it first came out and the show really holds up and I hope more

people find it and I hope this is your chance to go check it out.

Every season just gets more and more crazy.

It's this jam packed with just amazing people.

Wall to wall great performances.

So I hope you all like it and enjoy it.

A little black Monday.

Whatever day you put it on.

All right.

That's all the plugs that I got.

Oh, and was it my fault for saying it on my hundreds?

Yeah, probably.

I'm sure in Netflix heard me say it and then boom.

I will say this.

I did post a couple of things and I got a lot of responses.

We've been kind of hitting a brick wall with that show for a long time.

So I'm going to say it's the power of how to disget made so we can all embrace it.

All right.

That is all I got for plugs.

Let's get into it.

Last week we talked at length about mind hunters.

Well, we had questions and we might have even missed a few things.

Here is your chance to set a straight fact check us if you will.

It is now time for corrections and omissions.

Thank you.

Dornheim for that theme song.

Let's go to the discord.

The mediocre pumpkin writes the end line where LL Cool J calls back to Val Kilmer's rule.

That's a situation isn't secure until the ride home is frustrating for multiple reasons.

June correctly said it's dumb because they're not actually on the ride home yet.

But it's also especially frustrating because LL wasn't even in the earlier scene when Val

Kilmer used that line.

He also was not a part of the profiler training program.

So how does he know?

mediocre pumpkin.

You brought up a bunch of good points there.

Could have so easily been switched to the other person.

Wow.

It is shocking to me.

A movie like this would make such a blunder.

And the only answer I could say is he is the teacher.

That's right.

Val Kilmer is just a decoy.

LL Cool J is actually teaching the class.

Val Kilmer is his puppet and that's the final reveal.

You see, you thought you found an omission.

But what you didn't realize was you revealed just how dumb you are.

You didn't get the bigger point that LL was the teacher all along.

It's right there for you.

It's right there.

How did you miss it?

Hope no one else missed it.

Dr. Guts 1003 writes, presumably Val Kilmer had set up the island to have all sorts

of clues to help the team profile and capture his imaginary puppeteer killer.

So how come outside of the initial mannequin corpse crime scene,

they never come across anything else that is connected to the simulated crime?

That's a great question.

I would imagine it's because they are running for their lives.

I mean, they are full on in panic mode.

It would have been great if they found a clue and then realized it was just a decoy clue.

I would have liked that as a twist.

But I don't think this movie was smart enough to handle anything that complex.

I think the minute a real serial killer is on the island,

everything is out the window and we're off to the races.

You would have thought that maybe Val Kilmer would have had a couple other people with them,

maybe hide now on that.

Nope, nope, nope.

I mean, honestly, the mine hunters should have killed some more innocent people as what I'm saying.

Dr. Guts also writes that I thought it was worth mentioning that running Harlan dropped out of

directing another How Did This Get Made Classic, a sound of thunder to film mine hunters instead.

Ooh, interesting.

If you don't remember a sound of thunder, I believe that that is the time travel movie where

someone steps on a butterfly and then like they're running from dinosaurs.

Where are they running from dinosaurs?

They're dinosaurs and there's butterflies.

I know that.

I know that someone steps on a butterfly, but it's not the butterfly effect with my man, the

Kutch.

Um, Arkham player writes, I'm not exactly in shape, but as a wheelchair user, I question Vint's ability

to hold himself up on the pipes for so long.

Upper body strength and wheelchair users is kind of a myth unless you're training for like the

Paralympics or a marathon.

Wheelchairs are meant to make moving easier and not meant to be a device in which people

improve their upper body strength.

Now, I'm not saying I'm willing to test this out on myth busters anytime soon,

but the tires on a wheelchair are made of rubber, so Vint's would have been grounded protecting

them for getting shocked by electricity.

Wow, Arkham player, first of all, thank you for giving us a really solid fact check.

Yeah, I would imagine that the wheelchair for him is probably the safest place.

Uh, maybe I can't quite figure out the logic here either, except for the fact that they just

wanted him to hang from pipes and that pipe scene was so exciting, I guess.

All right, please do not test this theory out.

Uh, Arkham player already has told me he won't, but I don't want anyone else to try to

electrocute themselves in a wheelchair.

We will let the professionals deal with that.

All right, let's go to the phones with Jay from Ohio.

Hey, Paul June and Jason, just a note on mine, hunters, you all remarked at the beginning

about the scenario of Alcumae put them in when he was more of a tactical exercise versus the

profiling one.

Uh, this is true.

FBI profiler training is more psychological and the rating part of kitchen killers would

probably fall more to a dedicated FBI tactical unit or even a local law enforcement swatheem.

That said, uh, profilers are typically, uh, still special agents or criminal investigators who

have resting powers in our armed, uh, depending on the nature of a warranted search.

They may actually be the one that doing knocking on the door as well.

They also do train them certain scenarios like, like this,

where force may be required.

Uh, they use simulated firearms that shoot chalk-like projectiles, which I can say hurt like hell.

I've actually assisted on some of these posing as anything from an aggressive protester to a convenience

screwdriver.

Um, it's, it's actually kind of fun.

Uh, that said, none of the training I've observed or taken part in was as elaborate as they said.

And it seems like some fraud waste and abuse investigations are required on the part of

Alcomer's character.

So keep up the great work.

Uh, PS Paul, my wife and I both love your books.

Thanks.

Bye.

Oh, man, Jay, thank you so much for reading my book.

Um, also, whoa, these chalk pellets,

are you shooting them or are you getting shot with them?

Either way, I guess what you're saying is this movie not really based in reality.

Well, I was on your side.

And then I got this phone call from my friend,

Stoddard.

Stoddard, take it away.

Hello, Paul.

This is about my hunters and where to begin so many things to talk about.

But there's one that I think I have a specific insight into in the military.

I was on a swat team and I was a detective.

And when I went to the detective academy,

they actually had a place called scenario bill that was abandoned military housing.

And in those houses, they would set up crime scenes with dummies and fake blood.

Sometimes with real blood, if they want you to test, you know,

use one of the kits to detect blood, broken windows, weapons or items laying around.

So that way you would be able to go in and actually sketch your crime scene and make your measurements.

And then take all your photographs and collect the crime scene evidence correctly.

That way you would be trained and you would be tested in the same area.

And although it wasn't as elaborate as what is in the film, certainly.

It was kind of crazy watching it and going, it's not that far off.

It's just cranked up to 11 is what they did in the film.

And it just turned it up to 11.

You know, it was pretty crazy when I was doing it.

I remember thinking this is kind of bizarre.

But they've just made an entire crime scene and then you've got instructors to kind of stand around

watching you or they'd be watching you on a camera like in the movie.

So yeah, there you go.

A little insight information.

Love the show.

Take care.

Scenario bill.

I love it.

I love it.

But it wasn't that.

Like it seems like what you're doing there is like crime scene.

Like evidence collecting that.

That feels normal to me.

I don't think that they create full on like like hunting.

Like they weren't sending you out to knock on doors.

Were they?

Maybe they were.

I don't know.

I like scenario bill.

Is it like Lars van Trier's dogville?

No.

All right.

This makes sense.

The movie obviously based in reality.

But guess what else?

It's based in.

Played tourism.

Check it out.

All when from London coming in hot.

Take it away.

Hi there.

I was not familiar with Mindhunter's before the most recent episode.

But what's familiar with was Agi de Christi's book and then there were none.

And the more I listened to the sweet episode,

the more familiar some of the plot of elements of Mindhunter became.

There are both about exclusive people trapped in the island being picked off one by one by the killer

who is someone among them.

And as it was just that, I probably wouldn't have thought about it.

But it clicked for me when you mentioned on the pod the way each person is killed

in the movie plays on their vice.

And in the Agi de Christi, each person is being killed with punishment for something terrible they've done.

There's also elements of each of the death being foreshadowed ominously.

It happened in 900 times like it's the clock in Christi's with an eerie poem that the book takes the title from.

There's also the tension of the group turning on each other's more people are eliminated and sufficient to grow.

And very specifically in both is a message projected over audio designed to scare people.

And then finally at the risk of spoiling the book,

there's the plotters of the killer being someone who fakes their own death,

but halfway through the killings only to return alive at the end.

So it seems beyond the realm of coincidence at this point,

I'm probably to find more if I watch the movie.

And I have to wonder if 900 is actually just a way worse ripoff of Agi de Christi's.

And then there would not be love to hear your thoughts.

All when you are 100% right, this is a direct ripoff of,

and then there were none and great job putting together those context.

Because I've seen that.

I didn't even put that together.

I'm seeing it.

Well, yeah, I've seen it.

I didn't read it.

And I'm not going to lie about that.

I've seen the movie.

And you're completely right.

So many websites call this out.

I don't know how they got away with not,

saying it was based on that story,

but I guess they added enough stuff to it

that just kind of pushed that out of sight.

I mean enough serial killer tropes.

And that's kind of what they're saying is that they overlaid a lot of 90s stuff

on top of Agi de Christi.

So all one way to go for being well read

and getting it just from a few context clues.

Next up and finally, Liz from Wisconsin.

Hi Paul, Jim and Jason.

I just listened to the Mind Hunter episode.

And I was listening to talk about the liquid nitrogen attack.

I am a physics teacher and I, in college,

we did experiments with liquid nitrogen.

And I just thought I'd share a little bit about my experience there.

Because your instincts that it shouldn't do what it did in the movie are

absolutely correct.

It shouldn't have done really anything at all.

It would evaporate really quickly.

We used to have a, you know, a doer,

like a cylinder, a full-eliquid nitrogen,

to use for experiments.

And people would kind of dare each other to stick their hands in it.

And like you shouldn't do that.

And it was important to, you know,

take off any rings or metal jewelry or wearing.

I never was quite brave enough to,

but I saw my friends do it a number of times.

You can stick your hand in it and you look with nitrogen

and just pull it out real fast.

And you'll be totally fine.

If it gets sprayed on your skin, it'll evaporate right away.

So there's no scenario where anything close to what we saw.

What happened there?

So I just thought I would share that I have

personally seen people with liquid nitrogen on them.

And it did not creep up and freeze them and make them shatter.

Thanks for all you guys do.

Love your podcasts.

Bye-bye.

Liz, are you telling me this movie didn't know what the hell they were

talking about?

See, I appreciate this.

I have this is a week where we get

military detectives, we get FBI profilers,

we get literature person, we get physics teachers.

This is the kind of content that I need.

Not just, oh, in one scene, the button was open.

No, no, no, I got fucking professionals here.

Thank you, Liz.

Thank you all.

And thank you, starter.

Thank you, Jay.

It does bump me out because then you're also, I guess,

telling me that Terminator 2, the ending to that is also flawed.

No.

All right, back to the discord, Jango One writes,

what really irked me in this movie was the letters on the back of their jackets.

There's a scene where all the jackets are laid on the table and you can clearly see the letters,

even though the black lights aren't shining on them,

which means they would have been clearly visible to the naked eye.

Second, they reveal the letters.

C-R-O-A-T-O-A, Crottoa.

Just so Clifton Collins, Jr. can tell the story of the Rowan Oak Island colony.

So you're telling me, Johnny Lee Miller, put those letters on the jacket solely to have that story told?

Proposterous.

I mean, was that like a story that like,

like, like, like, that Clifton Collins, Jr. told all the times, like, oh, this would be great.

I'll make them tell it to everybody again.

Like, oh, yeah, they'll just do the same story over and over again.

I mean, I don't even understand.

I mean, I guess, I get one.

Maybe that's a clue.

That is technically a clue.

He should have put Agatha Christie on the back of the jacket.

Quantum Vault, want to be profile writes,

I was sad the trio didn't discuss the underwater final face off between Johnny Lee Miller

and Catherine Morris, where they aim guns above the water and what I think was a game of chicken

with their breath control.

I get Catherine's character is terrified of water and it's supposed to be her conquering her fear,

but there are so many problems from the guns being in the water for an extended period of time.

Let alone whether Catherine would be able to hit Johnny at all, but that was the dumbest and

funniest part of the film.

I mean, Quantum Vault, you did it.

You talked us through it.

Yeah, I mean, I am tired of the underwater bullet thing.

I think that that's the opening of the last James Bond movie.

There is a period of time in the 80s and 90s where every bad guy is going underwater with their

guns and their shooting so bullets.

I think that that's admission impossible three.

The one with the guy from Michael Clayton.

And then it also is in lethal weapon.

Like everyone is going underwater with guns and the guns are working fine.

It's impossible.

I believe that if you've never been underwater before holding your breath,

it shouldn't be that hard.

I don't know.

I mean, she's afraid of water.

I forgot about that.

The movie is dumb.

And that scene I thought actually was anti-climactic, honestly.

So thank you for calling it out.

And I'm sorry that we didn't get there.

I think sometimes our energy for watching the movie,

like by the end of the movie, we're taking less and less notes

because we've been just beaten into submission.

Sean McBeer writes,

I read the script from Mine Hunters

and the finished film didn't deviate it from too much.

There are two things I wanted to mention.

First of all, Sean, you read the script from Mine Hunters?

You belong up in the fancy category of our profilers

and lit majors and physics teachers.

Okay, so Sean goes,

these are the two differences during the end scene in the pool.

Instead of the silly holding the gun out of the water

to shoot whoever runs out of breath first,

Catherine Morris gets out of the pool,

then dumps in liquid nitrogen

before Johnny Lee Miller can get out freezing him solid.

Honestly, I like that ending better.

I think that that's a cooler ending.

It ties together some bookends.

And then the other scene that is different is

there's a weird scene where Vince's leg twitches

and the team suddenly suspects

that he's been faking his disability and is the killer.

They actually hold a gun to his head and say,

they're going to kill him if he doesn't stand up.

And he does stand.

Wait, what?

But even the script doesn't know if that was from extreme effort

or some weird nerve response.

Despite the seemingly confirming their suspicions,

the group moves on from it pretty quickly.

It seems like they recognized in the edit

that this did make a lot of sense.

And ended up cutting it.

But they did leave in one shot of Vince's leg twitching

earlier in the movie.

And that was probably a setup for this scene.

Wow, wow, wow.

That is a wild thing.

And I actually really love the specificity of the twitch

because it just further convolutes

and makes everybody want to point the gun at each other

because that's really what they're all doing.

After a certain period of time, Sean,

you did the Lord's work by reading the script.

And I got to say, you were not the only one.

I mean, to me, I feel like everybody

brought their A game.

And that's why the winner, I'm going to pick this week.

Oh, it's going to be tricky.

It is going to be so, so tricky.

It's going to be all win from London.

Because all win found something that no one else found

and it was right out in the open.

The clue was right there just like,

Crocatolla.

And here is your winning prize.

That's right.

You're not going to get a prize.

You can hold in your hand.

But you can get this.

A free profile of you from me.

That's right.

I'm going to put on my FBI profile hat

and based solely on the info available in your submission.

I am going to tell you all about you.

Scott hit me with some dramatic profiling music.

All one from London.

Well, what do we have here?

It looks like she's extremely armed with opinions.

That's right.

Within minutes of meeting you,

she will be able to diagnose you as a killer or a victim.

Having read every Agatha Christie novel,

she knows immediately which character you are playing in real life.

Because Agatha Christie has written everyone's life

in her novels.

We are just living them.

And if you dare tell her about a movie or a TV show,

she'll tell you which novel that was ripped off from.

You say, oh my gosh, I love family matters.

She goes, well, guess what?

That's just the Crooked House,

which is an Agatha Christie novel.

You go, oh, I love what's happening.

She's like, oh, that's just five little pigs.

Oh, all when you're so smart.

But beware.

If you ever catch her in a locked room or around a Belgian man,

something is a miss.

You can often find her in libraries.

And guess what?

She does have a favorite.

Agatha Christie character, but she won't tell you who.

And if you ever mispronounce her kill Perot's name,

she will never forgive you.

The same way she will never accept

but not long into her heart because that's not Christie.

That's Johnson.

Anyway, I don't know what I'm doing anymore.

I hope you enjoyed your profile.

I'm sure that's 100% accurate based on all the information I know about you.

Anyway, for those who didn't win, be thankful.

But guess what?

You can try next week to get your prize.

Maybe not an FBI profiler.

Maybe we won't do that again, but it's something else.

Who knows?

Anyway, keep on submitting your corrections and omissions

on our Discord or by calling us at 619 P-A-U-L-A-S-K.

Coming up after the break, Jason will stop by for a just chat so stick around.

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Welcome back.

By now, I'm sure you've noticed that every Tuesday,

we re-release Classic.

How did this get made?

Episodes back onto our feed this week's Classic Episode

was the Adventures of Pinocchio

and an honor of Dr. Gutz 1003,

informing us that Rene Harlan almost directed

a sound of thunder instead of mine hunters.

Next week's Classic re-release will be our own episode on

a sound of thunder.

And a little bit of trivia for you,

a sound of thunder was originally supposed to star Pierce Brosnan,

who happens to be the lead in the new movie

that we are covering for next week.

But you're gonna have to wait just a little bit longer

before we reveal what that movie is,

because right now it is time to welcome Jason two last looks for a little, just chat.

When we ain't gonna talk about religion,

the father takes me in,

you're gonna talk about any of that now.

We're just gonna talk about roots and roots and chips.

Jason and I are gonna go on a surprise chat.

All right, Rob from Long Island with a classic just chat theme.

Jason, how are you?

You know, I'm doing great.

I feel like we're right now.

You know, we're in April showers.

And I feel like, you know.

Listen, they're gonna bring those May flowers.

Oh, I hope Jason, I really, really hope.

I hope we get May flowers this year.

May flowers would be a great name for like a 1940s actress.

Oh, that's a May flowers.

Oh, yeah.

I love like a stage name.

Her real name was like Peggy Lasbert, known as May flowers.

May flowers is good.

She was murdered.

May flowers murdered.

Well, she was dating that mafia guy.

Like he was old school guy.

This is the Ape Trade Capone.

And it started.

It's starting to sound like I just, not just,

I mean, I don't know when this is coming out

because we're recording.

But it was recently, I will say,

not to timestamp when we're recording this St. Patrick's Day.

And I have adopted our friend Owen Berks,

St. Patrick's Day viewing routine,

which is I watched Miller's Crossing,

the Cohen Brothers movie.

Miller's Crossing, which he watches on St. Patrick's Day.

And boy, it's just one of my absolute dreams.

Oh, I love that.

I love that.

By the way, I'm looking up if there were any May flowers.

And it seemed like there is a Maya flowers.

And a Sandra May flowers.

But we are pretty much, we're good.

We're good May flowers.

We could do that.

Yeah, we got it.

Maya flowers is different.

And if your name is Maya flowers, change it to me.

Like why?

You're so close.

I mean, yeah, that's true.

I mean, I wonder if she goes by May.

And it probably not.

Maya is such a short name.

You don't need to be a kid.

Well, look, if you're gonna name your kid Maya,

yeah, then they did name her May.

But what if you were trying to say,

like, oh, those are Maya flowers.

Now, now you're talking.

Now it's time to get it.

Oh my gosh.

I love it.

I think we should, here's what we should do.

Yeah.

A la Tilly Norwood.

Yeah, of course.

We should create an AI actor named May flowers.

Now that I'm in.

Okay.

And maybe instead of like Tilly Norwoods,

like kind of, she's like a young Anjaneu.

Maybe May flowers is, we do, our AI is like a stand-up

comedian who just does Matt Rife style crowd work.

Oh, okay.

Now that, see, you're going that direction.

And I'm thinking what I was thinking

that you're gonna go for was we create like a June Squib.

She's just a very, very old.

But by the way, let's mix them together.

She's an old, like, because you could do it.

Yeah, you know, it's like you should do it for years.

She's not gonna, you know, she's, you know,

she's an elderly stand-up comedian who just does crowd work.

To great success because she is getting this intergenerational

audience.

It's like the young kids lover because she's cool

and she's hip, but the older people,

like, finally, this person can speak for me.

And because it's AI, we can have her be literate

in all of the slang and everything for all the generations.

Oh, yeah.

So she can speak authentically to Jenna Alpha

and the baby boomers.

But she's not playing down to it.

Like she's not doing like, oh, it depends.

No, no, she's not doing that kind of stuff.

Yeah.

No, I think she's kind of like a real tells it

like it is honest person.

You know, like I think that the thing we need to prioritize

in our new AI actors, I love it.

And then this speaks for also the Geeks squad.

Is people, what they want is the perception of authenticity.

And that is why I think the more authentic we can make

may flowers seem our elderly stand up comedian AI construct.

The more authentic we can make her seem the better.

You know, yes.

And I feel like that becoming, this is where we're going to have

to spend a lot of money.

Now I know a lot of people are not, you know,

or like, hey, Paul Jason, don't, don't, you know, embrace AI.

But we are doing something that honestly,

I don't think you can do, which is a nice to use AI.

Exactly.

Right.

I'm not taking a job away from anyone.

We're doing, you know, we're, we're doing a hundred year old

person.

It is.

Yes.

We're going to get one angry one.

How dare you guys do that?

Even joke about joke.

Even as a joke, I don't like it when they do this.

Even as a joke, it's not funny to joke around.

But yeah, it's people are all right.

All right.

We're just enjoying our time.

So here are the names of five incredibly talented elderly

comedians who never broke.

Why don't you talk?

Why don't you give them a platform instead of you?

You fake dumb.

Oh, man.

Oh, my gosh.

All right.

I've got stuff that I'm watching.

You know what I'm about it?

Get ready.

Did I talk about bookish, the Mark Gattis post-World War II detective show on PBS Master

Peace?

No.

Okay.

Okay.

There's a show called Bookish that was on Masterpiece.

It just finished its first season.

And it's like the most Masterpiece theater British detective show.

It is post-World War II, like right after the war.

So it features like bombed out London streets and everything.

Mark Gattis, who you might know as the microft in the Sherlock Holmes Benedict Cumberbatch

Sherlock Holmes.

He's also the head of the Iron Bank on Game of Thrones.

He's part of the Doctor Who World.

Mark Gattis, you would recognize if you saw him.

It's his show.

He wrote and created it.

And it's about a Sherlock Holmes-esque detective who's helping who consults with the police

to solve crimes in post-World War II London.

And it is dynamite.

There's just a lot going on.

There's a lot of layers to it that are very interesting.

And it's really just straight ahead.

Every two episodes is one mystery.

So it's basically like a movie.

Oh, I love that.

Yeah.

So every two episodes is one of this.

A little like a Luther-esque in that way, right?

Very much.

Yes.

And it's so fun and it looks great.

And Gattis is fantastic.

And there's a couple of like good reveals that come in and a couple of like longer running

mysteries.

But for the most part, it's a case of the week.

And absolutely beautifully done.

It's called Bookish.

It's available now.

The whole first season is up and it's terrific.

Oh, wow.

All right.

I got to watch that.

I like that a lot.

I think you'd really like it.

It's really satisfying.

Yeah.

That's, all right.

That seems really good.

Are you reading anything right now?

Because I'm reading a great book.

I don't know if I talked about what you got.

What do you got?

I read this book called Strangers, which is a memoir of a marriage by a bell burden,

which is June was reading in.

She's got to read it.

It's about this couple who's been together like this kind of New York City socialite,

whose husband leaves her.

It's a really great compelling, quick read, really beautifully written.

And it's during the pandemic.

Is that right?

Yes.

It happens like during COVID and it's fascinating.

I think what I love about it is on some level, it just talks about breakups.

And like that awkwardness of what a breakup is and how you feel.

And did you do anything wrong and who and and how your friends treat you?

It really captures an element.

And there's another part of this, which is like they are very affluent and they're within

this kind of a different cultural sphere in New York, which is great.

But I do think the reason why it connects so much is it's not like it doesn't have like

juicy bits like oh, then we went to this house.

We did this.

It really just more is like how you fit in when you are a part of something and now you

are singular.

And I thought that book was really really really great.

And I also was a much discussed when I was in New York doing that Simon Rich show.

Everybody behind the scenes was reading.

I guess it had just been right.

It's fairly neat.

It had just been maybe in Vanity Fair or something.

And that book was like everybody was talking about that book.

I got to read it.

Yeah, it is a she writes really well.

I guess it started as a New York Times.

There's like a love section in New York Times.

You can write like these stories about like relationships.

Modern love.

Yes, modern love.

So she wrote that and they kind of it grew out of that.

But yeah, I highly, highly recommend that.

I really think it's a great show.

I will shout out.

I don't remember if I mentioned this.

I'm a huge fan of all the Star Wars audiobooks.

Oh, yeah.

Specifically, I love all the Star Wars books.

But the audiobooks, they do such a great job, sound designing them and making them feel

very immersive.

And the one that came out last at the end of last year called Sanctuary that is the Bad

Batch, the TV, the animated show, the Bad Batch.

This is a novel for all of those characters and it's fantastic.

Oh, I love that.

I'll throw out a couple of recommendations for comics.

I'm very much enjoying Matt Fractions, Batman Run right now with Jorge Haman and

as on our absolutely gorgeous book, fantastic.

Two books, two like longer books, like hardcover books.

The Avengers in the Varacity trap, the Chip Kid book was fantastic and the superheroes

journey.

These are basically books where creators are putting themselves and doing graphic novels

that are about their own personal relationship to these characters and these stories.

So there's a real blurring of the lines.

Do you remember like we talked about I think on your part on your, maybe something you

were doing, Marvel 1985.

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

You know, it's a little bit like that.

These are, these are incredible comics creators who are writing these original stories that

are, that have themselves as components to them in it.

And why and how all of these characters from the Marvel universe are so impactful and

important to them?

I told nonetheless in a comics style.

So very good.

The Avengers in the Varacity trap and the superheroes journey.

I loved both of those.

I will also shout out, I'm like very much enjoying, I just finished rather, they did a deluxe

edition of an old Batman storyline called The Cult.

And it's, it's really takes place in a Gotham where like a cult figure takes over like

a cult leader, a religious leader, cult leader takes over Gotham and starts to amass this

incredibly powerful army of people who are doing whatever he says.

And the, the parallels between its storyline and the, the world we're currently living in

was chilling and very unsettling.

And it's great.

And it's from the 90s, you know, it's like an old, it's an old run.

It's fantastic.

They just put out a deluxe edition of it and it's really great.

Oh, I love that.

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I just got, I went out with our good friend, Jesse Falcom.

By the way, we should, you should come out to those dinners.

I've been trying to do like a, buy monthly Jesse Falcom dinner because he is, I would love it.

A great hang as you know, Jesse works in the Marvel world, but he gave me this book, The

Furry Trap by Josh Simmons and.

Yes, Josh Simmons is nuts.

Yes.

It is like a horror short story collection.

And it is, I mean, there are things in it that I was like, it is, it's visceral.

It's like a, it's a while settling.

Yes.

No, no, no, Josh Simmons stuff is very hardcore, very, it's great.

It's, it's really, does that book, I forget, have the Batman story in it?

There's a Josh Simmons book.

Dream of the bat.

Okay.

Is the, is the one I'm thinking.

Oh, yes, yes.

Okay.

And that's another Josh Simmons kind of twisted book that's great.

And there's a few, it looks like it looks like the twilight of the bat and.

I don't know that I knew that.

And then the birth of the bat.

Yeah, I'm going to worry.

This is interesting.

I got to get more into him.

But yeah, and I think because I think that's how I found out about Josh Simmons was

also Jesse Falcon.

Oh, wow.

So that makes total sense.

Yeah.

That it.

It was like, he's like, we got to go over here.

I'm going to give you this book.

That's a great, great.

Uh, he's the best.

I just love him.

Such a good time.

Um, I've become obsessed with the comics writer, Rom V.

Okay.

Um, and just two books that have, of his that I really enjoyed.

The one hand and the six fingers and Don Runner are two kind of graphic novel length books

that I think are both absolutely terrific.

Very cool, very interesting, uh, comics writer right now that I think is really worth checking

out.

Now, I know that we are always recommending stuff that we really, really like, but Jason,

there is something I do need to talk to you about that is kind of inexplicable in many

ways, which is, um, on peacock, our favorite streaming platform.

We talked about it a lot.

There was a special called live, moss live, live moss live happened the Friday before

the Academy Awards and it was presented as an award show hosted by Vince, Vince Staples

and live moss live was a Taco Bell board meeting that was put on stage that I, Molly watched

it with me and we are in complete and like it, it shook me to the core.

I was like, well, I'm not going to talk about this thing is because you think, okay, well,

they'll have jokes and they'll do music.

No, it is a straight up hour long.

Like, it's like, oh, I work for Taco Bell and they're kind of like bringing me into the

fold and guess what?

They hired a couple interesting people that they have like Benson Boone comes out at one

point and he goes, let me tell you about this six sided first trap.

It's a case of Rita supreme as Molly is saying right now, she says post apocalyptic fast food

nightmare.

Um, wait, but was it real?

It's one hundred percent real.

It is a way for Taco Bell to show off all their new products like the Creme Brulee Crunch

Wrap, but they put it in an award show thing and you would think, okay, well, Vince Staples

is hosting it.

No, just it's really the CMO like he introduces the show and then the CMO comes out and the

CMO runs most of the show and then they cut to cameos of people that are shocking.

Like at one point, they, it's like the money that went out to pay everybody and I don't,

I don't fault anyone for taking Taco Bell money and showing up and drinking a cold brew

or chata peacock.

Okay.

Live, moss alive as I describe it to you.

It's not close to capturing what it was.

It's like, oh, this would be funny.

It's lame.

It's weird because it sounds like what you're pitching me is like a timon Eric sketch.

Right.

You know, yes.

And it like it's really, it's all over the place.

It's a show that they keep on telling you.

It's going to be full of comedy and music, but they never get to either one of those things.

Like, organ, like it's like, yeah, there, I guess this is comedy.

Some of the faces that you might know and recognize a lot of great friends of ours that are

in it.

And I need to ask them a lot of questions about what it was, but a live event.

It happened live.

We're the do-boys on it.

This seems like prime doughboys.

Oh, no.

It was Jason Sedacus, the Benson Boone, Rachel Billson.

It was the Bella twins from the WWE.

Phineas, Phineas from Billy.

Yeah.

Wow.

Like, like, Tara Lapinski.

What the hell?

Yeah, it is a wild ride.

Anyway, and then Staples hosted.

I wonder how many people are watching that.

I don't know.

Because you said it's long, right?

It's not, it's like a long thing.

It's an hour.

It's an hour long.

It's like a full length special.

If you have peacock, just try the opening.

You're like, oh, Paul oversold this.

This is not bad.

The opening is the only part where I'm like, okay, there's something.

There's a conceit here.

And then once they get into the venue, which is the palladium, it is wild.

Wild.

Wild.

It is.

Very unsettling.

I need everyone to watch it because I can't.

I live through this with Molly and West.

We did a special.

You guys have like trauma that you need to talk about the talk through.

We really like I have a trauma bond.

It still sits with me.

I'm like, what did I watch there?

And you know, and my, my, my radar for this, like I'm fine.

I can watch anything.

I'm getting that.

This was on another level.

Something like it was like we were forced to watch a company retreat where they're like,

we got Tara Lapinski.

So she's gonna come out, talk about the current trap.

Like, oh, that's amazing.

People are going to listen to this.

Almost like it's almost like an inside out like, you know, Gillette theater or something like that.

Like the product would host a performance.

Right.

You don't even get that.

Like now you don't get the performance.

You just get like the board meeting of Gillette and some celebrities like walk through.

Right.

And it's, and it is that that same thing.

I don't know if you've ever done this.

I've definitely done this where you are, but kind of flown in.

Well, treat you nice.

We'll put you up in a, we'll pay you a little bit of money.

Use comments.

Hey, everybody.

I'm so excited that everything is happening for Taco Bell.

But it's on, like we don't do that on camera.

No one knows that that ever happens.

Right.

That is like I went to Mexico one time to sit with a bunch of people who bought the most

local advertising on FX at one point.

June and I went down and had a dinner and it was a lovely experience.

It was a fine experience.

Yeah.

The man oh man.

This live my life.

I'm going to check this out.

I mean, check it out like at night.

You know, get yourself, get yourself in whatever zone you need to do because you need to

be a little bit, you need to, I think in the broad light of day, it will, it will be a

soul crush.

Holy shit.

That's very funny.

A little man.

Oh, I give you the chills just even thinking about it.

But sorry, I didn't need to cut you off.

No, I love that.

I think that sounds absolutely bananas.

I can throw a couple more things into the mix.

Okay.

I'll just throw out in my continuing anime obsession.

I now have just watched season one of Jiu Jitsu Kaizen, which is I think phenomenal.

Like that and sentence to being a hero are two of like the best action shows that I've

ever seen.

Like the fights and everything are absolutely beautiful and stunning, gorgeous show as

stunning and beautiful as like the heartbreaking scenes of this season of free rinar.

I will say absolutely the season of this season of free rin, which I've already mentioned

is absolutely the best season of television.

Maybe I've ever seen the hero of the South episode is absolutely incredible.

The documentary about a screenwriter, Patty Chayevsky called Collector of Words is absolutely

fantastic if you care about Hollywood.

He is just such a fantastic character.

I cannot recommend that enough as well as the documentary Paul, which I think you would

also like, which is called Brezlin and Hamill deadline artists, which is about the relationship

of Jimmy Brezlin and Pete Hamill, the two like to temic New York journalists, New York

City journalists and it's about their friendship, it's about their battles with each other.

It's just and it's also what I loved about it, which I think you would very much like about

it.

It is about that period of time in New York City that is so heady and so wild and all of

the footage is fantastic.

All of the characters are fantastic.

Oh, I love that.

I think it's on an HBO almost positive.

It's called Brezlin and Hamill deadline artists.

That one and the Patty Chayevsky documentary I think are absolutely dynamite.

I love this.

All right, Jason, what a pleasure chatting with you as always.

Yay.

But now it is finally time to announce our next movie next week.

We are going from Johnny Lee Miller to Liquid Bomb Killer.

That's right.

We'll be watching 1992's Action Thriller Live Wire starring Pierce Brosnan.

Lisa Elbacher from Beverly Hills Cop and actor activist Ron Silva.

I know it's silver.

I'm so excited for you to watch this movie.

It is a great one.

Here's a breakdown of the plot.

After a US Senator is killed by a mysterious ingested liquid explosive, a bomb disposal expert

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Now there are not enough reviews of live wire on Rotten Tomatoes.

So instead we turn to Letterbox where user Silent Dawn writes a 90's trash action procedural

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While the rest of it revolves around water that explodes after being ingested.

Wacky stuff.

And you know what?

Silent Dawn is 100% right.

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Take a listen to the trailer.

These detects against members of the Senate come just a week before the revote on the

anti-arms bill.

Now there's a matter of my 10 million dollars and you're talking about this.

There's absolutely no trace of any kind of explosive or a fragment from that made in the

vise.

Keep digging.

People don't just explode.

You took a drink of water.

Sweat.

Shook.

Oh, my out here.

Hold on.

Then boom.

That's it.

No.

I left out the part where she swallowing her grenade.

Now live wire is not currently streaming anywhere for free, but you can rent it in all the

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So I suggest that you do.

I think you're going to be very happy with this choice.

It is fun 90's trash.

So that is all for the eyes.

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