172. DUPR Reset Results & OWL Talon X1, Aireo Cyclone X 11six24 Ultre Thoughts

All right, what's up guys?

Welcome back to another podcast episode.

This week we're going to be talking about duper reset, my recent MRI and the news regarding

that for my back.

Some interesting thoughts about durable grits and how to clean them.

I'm just a little bit confused about some discussion I've been seeing a lot on Reddit.

And then we're going to talk about a handful of paddles.

We're going to talk about the new Selkirk Omni, the Owl Talon, the Aero Cyclone hybrid,

and then the upcoming 11624 Ultra.

And then we have a fun little paddle guessing game.

We're going to play in the kitchen.

So stay tuned for that because I think that one's going to be kind of funny.

Oh yeah.

Okay, so as last week, the news lately, at least in regards to paddles or stuff like that

has been not much lately.

And maybe some of that's because I just can't play as much so it's a little bit less

to come up with for news.

But I just had two pieces of news this week, Dupur reset and the MRI.

So we're going to talk about Dupur reset because so Dupur reset got extended.

It was supposed to be, I think, a week ago.

No, yeah, like over a week ago that the results were supposed to be in, but then they extended

it.

Anyways, results are in.

What do you think my Dupur was?

Well, here's the thing.

If it was over 5.0, you would have texted me.

You would have told me what I have saved it for the pod maybe.

No.

You would have been excited.

You would have been like suck it.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm going to say, you're close.

I'm going to say 4a5.

The exact same.

Is that?

It didn't move at all.

I mean, wait, so did it stay?

Was the new one lower and it stayed as the original?

Or see, this is, this is where it's a little bit confusing because I, so my Dupur, I think,

I want to say when I started, I should go back and listen to the podcast episode where

we talked about this, but I want to say I was a 471 or a 47.

And then by the end of Dupur reset, I was a 469, I believe, after what did I play?

38 matches or something like that.

And then when I opened it, it's funny.

It actually had it wrong.

It says I moved to a 471, but then my, on my profile, it says I'm a 47.

So I don't really know what that's all about.

But anyways, yeah, it didn't show me if there was a number that was much lower.

So I don't know if 47 was my new number or the, see, I would have imagined like, there

would be like a countdown in the app of like when the reset's going to happen.

And then once it does, you open the app and like a graphic pops up and it shows boom,

here's your current number, here's the new one.

And then it's like, you keep this, I don't know, but there was nothing.

It just like, you open it and maybe it changed and maybe it didn't.

So I'll show you exactly what they did.

So first, well, okay, I guess now that I'm opening it, there's an ad that says it's,

it's live.

So if I click View Results, well, it takes me to the website.

But if you go down, let's see here.

Oh, actually, okay, hang on.

So this is, yeah, this is what's funny.

I, I would, can I go see what the heck I was before Dupareesite?

Give me once.

I'm just going to see the history.

Yeah, that's right.

I'm going to see what you're going to do right now, as I'm scrolling.

Like before you started all the turn, the matches, gotcha.

Gotcha.

Yeah, you're going to have to go way back then.

Yeah, I played a lot of pickleball during that time.

Yeah, seriously.

Okay, I see.

No wonder your back hurts.

Yeah.

Okay, so it was this one.

So I was a 4707 before Dupareesite.

And then when I go into the app, there is a thing now that shows me, it says Dupareeset

and then the adjustment.

It says I was a 460.

Okay.

So I was a 4706, but what's interesting is 4608 is what I had kind of dropped to just

naturally from playing.

And then it bumped me back up to a 470.

So I'm like, if this number had been lower, like would it say 4608 here and then a lower

number and then just go back to what I was, I, I guess I'd have to ask people who were

lower if they went down what it showed.

Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, it literally is like the same exact Dupare that I got.

So you got cash grabbed.

I got cash grabbed.

But I saw and read it.

I was looking.

There were some people who made some big bumps.

Really?

Like some people, I think one guy who made a thread was a 4808 and then went to a 520.

Now I imagine there are some people in there, right?

Who did, didn't, hadn't played a lot of tournaments.

And then, you know, probably during this reset period, they are just a much better player

and then got bumped up.

I'd be curious to know.

I wonder if reliability has any effect on it.

But I imagine throughout playing all those matches, your reliability slowly starts to go

back up.

Yeah, they were again, there were things like that that were just unclear during the reset

period.

How all that was going to work?

And I feel like Dupare could have definitely done a better job.

And even I feel like during the thing, certain, it would have been fun to think you could

see what your Dupare was becoming during.

And instead of just waiting to the end, I guess I get maybe why they did it to the end.

It builds like more suspensing.

You're looking forward to it or whatever.

But yeah.

So I mean, mine didn't move.

But to be honest, that's kind of what I expected was going to happen with mine based on how

the results went.

Because I feel like in the first half, I performed pretty well against opponents that I was like,

oh, I think if it ended right here, I might be higher than 4.7.

And then the second half, even though I got silver and gold, in pool play, there were

just some teams we heavily underperformed against or lost against, even if the match was

close that their Dupers were not good.

And then I'm sure Dupare was like, what the heck?

You losing to like a 4-1.

Yeah.

I'm like, okay, well, this person didn't really feel like a 4-1.

But you know, whatever, either way it happened, I'm not complaining about that.

So I just had kind of been like, there's no way I'm going to end up a 4-8 or a 4-9 with

how the results went at the end.

Yeah.

Like I think we needed to beat some teams a lot better than we did.

Sure.

I guess I'm just a hard stuck 4-7.

I guess that's just where I am right now.

So maybe when we fix my back, maybe I can resume actually trying to get good at pickleball.

But yeah, that's tough.

It was more uneventful than I was hoping that would be.

I thought I was going to get a much more exciting.

I was going to say there's like, yeah, just stay the same.

There's nothing exciting about it.

Yeah.

There's nothing exciting.

So I saw some people who made some big gains, you know, stuff like 4-1 to maybe a 4-7.

I wonder if there's anyone that was like a 4-3.

And then they got the new one and it said that they would have, like the new one was

like a 3-8.

I just dropped way down.

Yeah, I know.

So yeah, kind of an uneventful there would have been exciting to have it.

Like honestly, at this point, I would have rather see a huge drop because it would have

been hilarious or a really big gain because that also would have been there.

Something interesting to talk about.

But part of me also goes, okay, let's say I did play well throughout the whole thing

and I jumped to like, I don't know, 4-9 or even a 5-0.

Even though if, you know, everything they're saying about Dupur Reset is like, you know,

it is accurate.

It's not just like artificially inflating people.

Let's say all of, pretend all of that's accurate for a minute.

I feel like if I suddenly just jumped to a 5-0 like that, even though I feel like my skill

level isn't that far from it, it would have felt so much less earned than another way.

So in some ways, I'm like, well, maybe I'm like more glad because it would have been like,

okay, so I've been a 4-7 for like a year and now suddenly my number says 5-0.

Like, that just would have been weird.

But yeah.

Yeah.

So this did Dupur Reset and you got an interesting result.

Let us know down below.

If it did show you that you dropped lower, let us know.

And if it was higher, also let us know.

And you know what, maybe that 468 that it's showing me, maybe that is just the lower number.

Right?

You know, like what I'm curious is, was the potential lower number just going to be what

your real Dupur rating was and if you, let's say you lost every match and it dropped

like a 4-3, is that what they were considering the new number the whole time and not like

erasing all history technically?

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Right, right.

That'd be interesting.

It's hard to know.

Again, there's just so few answers that it's like, I don't know.

So everyone has to get it.

So we're all just guessing.

Yeah, we're all completely guessing.

So yeah, that was Dupur Reset.

Okay.

Let's talk about my MRI.

So this was also kind of an event.

An eventful and frustrating.

We both got MRIs.

We did both get MRIs.

So you finally want to go on for your shoulder.

Yeah.

You're actually still waiting for your result.

Actually, maybe while I talk through this, you should check your email and see if you

got your report.

I'll say that you will have gotten it.

But anyways, so as you guys know, I mentioned two weeks ago that I was getting an MRI done

for my back because it's just been having a lot of problems.

And so I've had back issues on and off for like three years.

And at this one, I was like, dude, it's got to be a disk issue.

Like I don't know what else it could be and be going for three years.

So when I got the MRI and then looking at it, there are some interesting things like

I ran it through AI and then waited for the official report.

AI basically said what the official report was,

which is like, I had a Schmorrals node,

which I don't know, I've heard mixed things about

how bad or not bad that is.

My L5S1 disc looks pretty degenerated,

like it looks like it's lost a lot of fluid,

and then so is my, is it like T12 L1 or T1

or something like that?

Anyways, that one also looked pretty degenerated,

but I got my report and then I went to my PT,

they read the report as well, and they were like,

look, the disc, if it is causing you an issue,

is maybe 10 or 15% of the actual problem.

Like the disc, in this case, really is not a giant concern.

You don't need surgery, you don't need to worry

about modifying lifestyle because of the disc,

so it's like, okay, well, that's good, I guess.

But then the downside of all of this means,

is there's just not a clear answer as to

what the problem is.

Like, I'm sure Glute, Core, all of those things

need to get stronger, which are all things

I'm currently working on, doing my exercises every day,

literally logging them in like a journal

to make sure I'm following it.

So it's frustrating in that it's like, okay,

well, I guess I'm gonna do all the things

I've already been doing.

The progress just isn't as fast as I want.

So day to day right now, don't have a lot of pain.

I feel good unless I kind of overdo it,

but I also haven't played like legitimate,

real doubles games in 20 days,

which is like the longest time I've ever gone

without playing real competitive doubles.

So I'm like, kind of losing my mind.

Yeah.

Obviously I can play, I'm hitting with you,

but I'm just trying to avoid games

because I think that could be bad.

Like, all of this is easier to like not instinctually

react to something and hurt yourself and drilling

because you're like, whatever is just really

let the ball go.

Yeah, versus in a game, you like feel more

obligated to try and get to it.

Yeah, to actually like play the game.

Like if you hit a neck cord and I feel like,

okay, maybe I could reach that if I pushed it.

I'm like, I don't care.

We're like lightly hitting.

Exactly.

If I was playing with friends, I would feel obligated

to go get that because I'm like,

I don't want to ruin the session for all of you guys.

Yep.

So, yeah, it's like, I don't have a lot of pain,

but I'm also avoiding a lot of things.

Like I'm not bending over to time I shoes.

I'm avoiding sitting for too long.

I'm not playing doubles and bending a lot.

So it's like, I might be okay-ish now,

but I'm also afraid to flare it back up

and bring the issues back.

I would rather just keep building my strength

while I feel good and then eventually go push it.

So, yeah, kind of uneventful as well.

It's like, I'm glad I don't need surgery.

I'm glad it's not a big disc issue,

but it's also like dang it.

I wish I had some more real answers

about what the heck I'm gonna do.

Yeah.

Like the answers are basically one of my spinal rectors

is just very overreactive and like,

it's overreacting to what it thinks is a threat

when there isn't actually a threat.

So it's like, well, okay, how the heck do I make it calm down?

That'd be great.

So I'm going through my MRI before-

I'll say you did get it.

I did get it.

I've been going through it.

That's a good thing I told you to check it.

I'm very curious because this says that

there wasn't a clear labrum tear identified,

but also what I was researching online is,

so there was, I guess I didn't get any MRIs with contrast,

which specifically the labrum is extremely difficult

to tell if there are tears if you do not have

an MRI with contrast.

So very curious about that

because I also had somebody tell me that they believe

that there's a small tear in my labrum based on looking at it.

So that's interesting, but on the report says that

there's small bear area, humoral insurginal cysts

that are present.

There's a lot of these things that fly right over my head.

I don't know what it is.

So gotta go get it to someone who knows what they're reading.

Yeah, there's like some missing tissue.

Again, some of the stuff I don't even know what it means.

Some joint infusion, I don't know what that means.

Yeah, I don't know.

I'm gonna have to like send this through AI

and have it done it down for me

so I can figure out what this means.

Or send it to my buddy.

Yeah, your buddy who reads MRIs.

Yeah, he'll tell me.

But well, so yours is on the same thing.

Same thing, uneventful.

Rather it'd be a tear and then be like,

get the surgeon you're good.

Well, but the nice thing is if it's not that,

hopefully, like I would definitely rather mind be uneventful.

It's just more frustrating that I guess

there's less of a clear answer, but like I feel like yours,

like the labrum surgeries sound much more like you're out

for so long.

So it's nice at least that you can potentially not be out.

Labrum surgeries are pretty invasive.

And it's, yeah, it's a long recovery.

So it's still gonna be a longer recovery

because it hurts really bad.

So what do I do?

That's annoying.

I don't know.

I'll have to look over this more in depth later

when I have some time.

Yeah, yeah.

Reading it live on the podcast is not the best way

to read an MRI report.

Yeah, definitely not.

Especially someone like me who doesn't understand

any medical terms.

I mean, I was reading mine as well.

And I was like, wow, there's a whole lot of,

I don't know what this means.

And also there's a lot of words like, for example,

so my discs that are dehydrated or degenerated,

it's called degenerative disc disease.

And so I like, I see that.

And I'm like, oh, I'm like disease.

I'm like, what's wrong with me?

How did I mess myself up so bad at 29?

And then I read online a bunch,

watch a bunch of videos and everything is like, okay, look.

Now I understand that the word degenerative disc disease

probably sounds very bad.

This is a horrible name for this and it's not that bad.

And I was like, then why are we calling it this?

It's like this right here on mine.

It says type two acromion.

And this is chronic.

I'm like, okay, but what does this mean?

What is type two acromion?

Yes.

Yeah, I mean, next week you have to give us more answers

after you give it to your buddy.

Yeah.

We will read your MRI report.

But yeah, I mean, I guess it just means we have pain

and we got other things we got to do to figure it out.

So fun.

That sucks.

That's not fun.

All right, well, now we'll move on to the stuff

that you actually came to the podcast for.

Yep, so one of the things I wanted to talk about

because I've seen this a lot on Reddit of just like,

hey, how do you clean the new durable grit surfaces?

Like, can I use an eraser?

Like, I feel like I can't use an eraser.

And then just all these different ways of cleaning.

Suddenly, I feel like became more popular, right?

So when the P1, like around January, P1 and Ultra,

I was like, okay, I could either use the reset spray

or I could use rubber eraser.

I'm like, it's probably fine either way.

Then I just landed on using reset spray.

So I was like, okay, there's probably is less invasive overall

because we didn't know how all these grits held up.

I was like, I don't want another variable in there

to mess this up.

So I was like, I'll use like soap and a cloth basically.

And then on the boomstick, I was using mild soap detergent

and a cloth like silker recommends.

But now that we know that some of these are more durable

and I saw all of this coming out, I was like, okay, first of all,

why are we worried about using an eraser

on these longer lasting grits

if they withstand a plastic ball at high speeds

crushing debris into the surface?

If we think it holds up against that just fine,

then why are we worried about the eraser,

which is rubber with non-high impact?

The only thing it would have is some abrasion.

I think it could leave,

some of them could be so rough

that it could take rubber residue off

and get stuck in the paddle.

And it's like kind of clog up the peaks and valleys of the paddle.

So that would be like, if it's so rough

that it's actually taking rubber off

and then it leaves like skid marks or stuff on the paddle,

that would be my biggest concern.

I haven't really played Testaday of them that long

and used it in a racer on it.

So I can't confirm that that would happen,

but logically thinking that's the first thing

that would come to my mind.

That okay, so if we're thinking more that way

where it's less of destroying the surface

and it's more like, okay, well, you could just be clogging it up.

Damn, it would be damaging it in a way.

Maybe not damaging, but it'd be like putting debris back in it.

Like ball debris.

Yeah, but I would imagine that that type of residue

would be much more difficult to clean off.

If you put it on there than like cleaning ball dust off.

Like you said, my detergent, some water and a cloth

probably gonna be a bit more difficult to get that residue off.

Cause like that happened with, we know somebody

as a sister-in-law, when she got a engaged pursuit ultra,

I think it was somebody using a racer on it

and just rubber residue across the whole face of the paddle.

And it was like ruined.

Oh, I don't remember that.

I just remember that it took the grit right off

because it was trash.

But, you know, yeah, that was a whole other problem.

Exactly.

But it's okay.

Well, that's a good point I hadn't thought of.

And then, you know, hearing all of this, I was like,

okay, what are the manufacturers actually say?

Let's just go see what they said.

So I went to other websites, Spartas,

paddle racer or damp cloth, okay, they don't seem to care.

Honolulu, I couldn't find anything on their website

about cleaning.

Maybe I missed it, but I feel like I looked through it

and couldn't find anything.

In Finnegrit, they say cloth and soap, 11,624,

Danth cloth, Danth cloth, Danth cloth,

or paddle eraser, thrive, paddle eraser,

chorus, rubber eraser or damp cloth, 6'0, rubber eraser.

And then, Luz and Ario, I couldn't find anything.

So it's like, basically every company is saying so far,

hey, besides like,

sell Kirk, hey, we don't use an eraser, it's fine.

Later today, I should just make a real of doing it.

Yeah, I have every paddle and then just scope, though,

to see if it clogs it up, you know?

If I had my microscope could be a little bit better.

Maybe I'll message Justin or something.

But I think if it's like, if it really,

like with the eraser, if it really leaves residue,

it's gonna be noticeable.

Oh sure.

Even to a camera, right?

Like that one that I saw with our sister-in-law's,

pretty obvious.

Like you could see just black marks across the whole face.

Sure.

So, yeah, I mean, definitely worth testing

just to see what happens.

But it's like, so far with what I'm seeing on all,

pretty much all of these, hey, it's fine.

And also, like logically, my mind goes,

okay, if they're that much more durable,

then if we weren't concerned about it

with rock, carbon fiber, why are we concerned

about it with the better surface?

I guess my final thing I would say,

based on, you know, what you said, is like, okay, look,

you know that there's pretty much zero chance

that like water and some mild soap

and a microfiber cloth is gonna damage it.

Like, that's something that's probably

the most effective way of doing it anyways.

It does, I will say, like a lot of the paddles

I have done that too, it cleans them up very nicely.

Yeah.

The like, the lip face looks like brand.

And no, like water and it getting wet

is not gonna damage the paddles.

I was just gonna say, as long as you're not

submerging your paddle under water,

just getting like a little bowl

and dunking a towel in it and wiping it, totally fine.

Yeah.

Like we mean damp, not soaked towel.

Yeah, exactly.

The only paddle like so for things like the ignite,

I'm sure in race, basically just a different version

of PEOPLY, I'd be totally fine.

The only ones that would maybe be concerning

is like the 11, 6, 24 grit is just different

than regular PEOPLY with how its texture is.

So that one I probably would be a little bit more concerned

about using an eraser on.

Any ones that are like, I mean, the P1,

the spot it says it's fine, but again,

it's just so different that I'd feel a little bit

uneasy with an eraser.

I think it's one of those things where ultimately,

probably really doesn't matter that much,

which one you use, but at the end of the day,

something like a damp cloth and soap is gonna be your safest.

There's like no way this could hurt the paddle option.

Yeah.

So, yep.

I think taking for whatever it's worth to you,

at this point, the other thing like with a racers,

so this was a point that was made,

I made a real really long time ago.

That was about, you know, do these rubber erasers

hurt your paddle.

So I took a brand new paddle and I just rubbed the eraser

for like, I can't even remember how long, way too long.

And then I measured with a steroid

and all these other things, did the grit get worse?

I looked under a microscope, no, it didn't.

But the caveat that I later realized is like,

okay, well, that didn't have any debris on it.

So if you're taking debris that you're trying to take out

with the eraser and you're like essentially scratching

the surface with it, could that hurt the surface?

And so that is like the one thing that made me go,

okay, maybe a racers potentially are not as useful

as we thought, or there is a side effect

that we hadn't thought of with it.

So, everyone's got a cloth at home.

Everyone's got some soap at home.

Just do that.

Do, I mean, I have to test this once we get done

recording at the pod, but I have an idea

of something that's not typically used

for cleaning a paddle, I think might work.

I'm safe that we'll talk about next week if it works.

If I don't talk about it, it didn't work.

Okay, gotcha.

Or just use the soap.

Or just use the soap.

But yeah, I just, I randomly thought of that this morning

and when I was trying to think of topics,

I was sitting there going, so many people

on Reddit asked this, but I was like, why?

Why are we asking this?

Like, you know, yeah, I mean, I get it.

You spend a lot of money on a paddle

and I would be concerned about damaging it too,

depending on what you're using.

So I can understand the caution for sure.

Yeah, and then the next thing I just want to talk about was,

so after I think it was last week's podcast,

yeah, because we brought up the glider

and I was saying, hey, look, we don't actually know

if this grid is long lasting it.

Like, just because a company says,

hey, we have long lasting grid, doesn't mean

it's actually long lasting.

It's like, I said this a while ago.

Yeah, once there's companies that do it,

it's gonna become a big thing.

We already knew 2026 was gonna be the year

of longer lasting textures.

And then after somebody does it well,

there's gonna be a bunch of companies

to just slap that on their marketing

and it probably doesn't work.

Yeah.

And then I had quite a few people comment

and they said, hey,

Braden actually just ran a test on this

and it wasn't any better.

So it's like, oh, let me go pop over to their podcast.

So I gave it a listen.

And Braden's test is basically a little machine

that spins a disk, it's an abrasion test

and wears down the surface.

His actually ended up being a little bit worse

than how most rock carbon fiber paddles perform.

And then John just put out like an email newsletter

and he also tested it with the Canon

and it was like the same as rock carbon fiber.

See, I wonder, I'm curious if their version

of longer lasting texture is just making the peel ply

extremely gritty, which then has much higher peaks

and valleys.

So when you initially read it,

it reads as a really high number

or it starts off really high,

but then those peaks and valleys break off much easier

because they're so high.

And then that gap between really high start

and the percentage of how much it drops

makes it worse than what a typical paddle would be.

Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, there's two ways you can look at that.

You can look at it.

Like John's was purely just an RPM test.

I think it went from like 1,700 RPM to like 1,300.

And then Braden's was more of a stare at test

so he's looking at a percentage drop.

So we kind of have both like an RPM and a stare at example.

And I have someone actually testing our glider right now.

I don't know if they'll get it up to 100 games or not,

but I'll at least be able to quickly see like, okay,

if it dropped 10% already like within a handful of games,

it's like, well, that's what every rock carbon fiber does.

So then I guess we just know it's not that great.

Just right, uh, gritty rock carbon fiber.

So it's, you know, this is that and ario.

I believe John already tested that.

Didn't perform all that awesome.

And I've heard from various regular consumers

that it doesn't seem to be holding up much better.

So again, I think everyone just because a company says,

hey, we have a new long lasting grit,

you should not immediately give them the benefit of the doubt

and say, oh, yeah, they did it, right?

Like in an ideal world, that'd be great.

But it's like, when every company says,

oh, we have the best balance of control and power,

you don't immediately go, oh, yeah, that's right.

You do, it's like, no, you're skeptical

until you prove that it's right.

Yeah.

The same thing with the grits.

Well, I think the first few that were coming out,

you know, it's like, oh, okay,

you actually did do a bit better of a job.

But now I think there are going to be some companies

that are trying to, they know if it's not on a paddle,

it's not going to sell.

And so now they have to try and market something

to get you to buy it.

Yeah, you really can't just believe it at face value.

I mean, look at, it's like every year with like phones,

when they're like, oh, this year's phone battery lasts 47 hours.

And it's like, okay, but that's with no real world use.

You're not actually like doing things on your phone.

It's just on, right?

And so it's like, okay, then you actually test it

and it doesn't last that long.

It's kind of, it's kind of how I view the same thing

with grit textures.

Yeah, so we'll see where it continues to go.

I'm very curious how it all ends up panning out.

But yeah, I just thought some of that would be worth talking

about because even though, here's the thing,

with the glider would have been awesome

if it actually had been a better texture.

I think there are some people who do want a Gen 3

with a better texture.

But even at $90, I'm like, it's, it's 90 bucks.

I'm like, I almost don't even know

if it matters, it's so cheap.

There are people that are willing to spend $300

for paddle that's basically the same.

So just buy three gliders.

It'll last a very long time.

Like I think the glider itself is still a great paddle

regardless of if it has the grit,

but it's not awesome to see a company go and like,

it just feels worse because we have paddles out there

that we know perform good.

If those didn't exist, we wouldn't even be saying that

about the glider.

Totally.

So yeah, just feels bad.

So yeah, that's some thoughts on some durable grit.

Actually, I guess before we get into that,

I guess I have one more thing I want to talk about.

We'll talk about the Omni in a second,

but since we're on the grit thing,

I'll talk about him, Finnegrit.

So I've had a boomstick that I've been testing.

It's at 64 games equivalent right now.

Most of those sessions were from drill sessions.

So I believe I have like eight sessions logged

on that boomstick right now.

And as I have been doing these tests

where I'm the one hitting the paddle,

I have a forehand and a backhand side.

My boomstick is very obviously marked.

So it's extremely easy to see the forehand side.

And my results were not that awesome.

And then I started thinking like, okay,

not everyone seems to have had as poor of a result

as I have had.

And I think there's a lot of different things

that can go into this, right?

Depending on where you're playing,

like do your courts have more debris?

Are you inside?

Is it hot?

Is it cold?

Is it how do you take care of your pet?

Like there's all these different things

that I think could contribute to longevity of a paddle's grit, right?

So for example, I feel like it's pretty well established

at this point that the lifetime ball seems to damage grit

a lot more than say a Franklin ball.

I only play with a lifetime ball.

When the boomstick came out, the lifetime ball was,

well actually in Finnegrit was out even before the boomstick.

But when the boomstick came out,

it was just switching to the lifetime ball,

like right at that same time.

And so maybe with a Franklin,

people will have longer, better results

than what I have had.

But with a lifetime ball,

my results have not been good so far.

So I'll go over those right now.

So my, that boomstick when it was brand new

was 2148 RPM and then used after those 64 games equivalent,

it has dropped to 1769 RPM.

So not even the full 100 that I would normally go to

and it's already in the 1700s.

And like I mean, if you touch it,

the center is pretty smooth compared to the edges.

Now for contrast, I was like,

let's check the backside of the paddle

because the backside,

one, I think the backhand side probably just sees less use

and touching it, it felt more even.

Like the center didn't feel like it was as obviously degraded.

And then the backside,

hmm, I must have put that back,

I have the number anyways.

But that was like 1950 or 1958.

So if we go by the assumption that you are hitting more four hands,

and you're probably your serve is a four hand,

your drive often is a four hand

versus a backhand at least for me.

So that would make sense that the backhand side

wouldn't be as degraded.

If it had only dropped it's 64 games overall

to 1900 on both sides of it, okay, you know what?

Definitely better than Rock carbon fiber.

But I'm like 1700s, that's not great.

No, that's pretty bad.

I'd even checked another brand new boomstick I had.

So when it was, I had ran a test on it 2210 RPM.

And then the same day that I was testing the used boomstick,

I was like, let's just make sure I'm not off or something.

So I want to try it again on that other boomstick.

And instead of 2210, I got 2259.

So to me within the margin of error,

it's just so interesting with like specifically in Finnegrit.

Why doesn't work?

And the testing they do in the lab, like we went there,

we saw the lab, we saw the equipment they use,

they have their cannon.

I can't remember the exact number of times

or how long they leave it in the cannon to be shot at.

But then they also have the abrasion test.

So what's interesting though is, I can't remember.

So don't quote me on this.

I feel like the cannon was more for core.

And the abrasion was for grit.

Yes, it was more for the core degradation,

but also like again, same thing with the abrasion test.

I'm like everything that they were showing us,

it was passing the lab test,

but it clearly does not pass real world testing.

So I don't know, it's just very interesting.

I bet that's one of the things where it's like,

there's obviously a lot of variables in the real world, right?

Like the ball, the lifetime ball.

Like if I went together,

together to breathe off the court and stuff like that.

Like if I did this with a Franklin ball,

would we have different results?

Like it would just be interesting to see.

So it's like, I think I said this in my omnivideo,

but it's like, look, I can't come out here and just say,

like, oh,

the infinite grit is like complete crap in all scenarios, right?

But it's like under the conditions that I tested it in

and the results I got is not all that promising.

At least compared to hex grit, the P1,

like those are just better.

I'd be curious to do a test.

I wonder how much weather affects it,

specifically with the lifetime ball.

Cause like, okay, imagine we had a brand new boom sick.

We tested it outside in the sun.

Lifetime balls get softer.

Play tested, see how much it drops.

And then in the winter, when it gets cold,

play the balls much firmer, much harder,

probably getting damaged more, I would assume,

and see what the difference is.

Cause I'm just imagining like,

people in Florida play with it

versus people in North play with it.

Like how much is the difference gonna be?

Yep.

Yep.

So yeah, that's what I have on the infinity gear right now.

It's like when I, I had checked it at 64 games,

like I said, normally I'd go up to 100,

but since the omnivideo was coming up,

I was like, well, it'd probably be good to have a data point

just on where infinite grit is right now.

And when I saw it, I was like, oof,

I was like, that's not quite what I was expecting.

So I don't know, we'll see like maybe some of the other

reviewers will have results for like more real world

play testing and maybe with different balls,

and then we'll have a better idea.

Maybe I could even find someone here

who mostly plays with Franklin's

and give them another boom stick and just be like,

hey, he's mind beating this up, you know?

And I'll probably keep putting games on the omniv.

See how long that lasts.

Yeah, yeah, true.

So maybe that could be, but then again,

you're also playing with the lifetime ball.

So it's like, yeah, right.

It'd be nice to know with a different ball

and see if we get a different result.

Yeah.

But anyways, with all that being said,

let's actually talk about the Omni

because now that by the time you hear this podcast,

this paddle will actually be out.

Nice.

Boom.

So here's the Omni.

So you've probably already seen my review on it.

So you've heard a lot of my thoughts.

So I'll kind of let Isaac give his take on the paddle.

I guess before we go over that,

if somehow you have not seen that review yet,

the main headline features, I feel like about the Omni

are one, it was trying to be more of an all court paddle.

I think that's extremely questionable.

In my opinion, this is a power paddle.

With weight, I think the Imoise on it, it's a power paddle.

Like other all court true all court paddles,

I feel like are much less poppy than the Omni is.

When the Omni doesn't have the weights on it,

I think it's an all court paddle.

Hmm.

It's $300.

The weights are removable, which is a great feature.

I am worried that that's gonna hurt the edge guards

over time since the boomstick didn't hold up that well.

But let's just say that ends up being fine.

I mean, I think you'd probably agree with me.

This is by far, would be the best weight system impeccable.

Oh yeah, for sure.

No tool, pop it on and off, put it pretty much wherever you want.

And if they eventually get to a point,

and this is what I would feel like,

sell Kirk would eventually work towards,

is after they, boomstick without removable pad issues.

Okay, maybe we gotta beef up the glue.

Okay, well now let's make them removable

and see how it holds up.

If that holds up, well, okay, now we start adding it

to other paddles.

And if we do, maybe we sell different weights.

You know, maybe it's three grand.

Maybe it's whatever, maybe it's bigger weights.

They think it would make so much sense.

Yeah, and then it's like, yeah, they would imagine they have to.

It just feels like it makes so much sense to do that.

100%.

So no tool, and there's no like,

oh, you can't put weight here

because there's this weird like bolt system

or a weird carve out, or like if you take the weights off,

you can do whatever you want to it.

Yeah.

Orcetyle and can kind of be whatever you want.

Like I'm not a huge fan of having concentrated weight like that.

So I would take it off and weight it myself,

which just even having the option.

Great.

Awesome.

But overall with the paddle,

I, this handle feels better than any boomstick handle

I've ever used, which is nice.

But still my biggest issue with these sellkirk paddles.

And I can tell even the short time

I've been using this probably seven play sessions.

Because of how sharp the edge of this edge guard is here

for the weights to clamp on,

it was literally ripping skin off my thumb.

So I would either have to put tape on the edge here

or wrap my thumb or something,

go full Susanna bar and put a glove on my left hand,

which I'm sorry, I can't, I can't stoop to that level.

But yeah, the edge guard is my biggest issue

with these sellkirk paddles.

But overall, I kind of agree with you

on the power level.

I think without the weight,

for sure, like middle of all court.

And I think it's pretty good.

Like I liked it.

It's definitely still on the popier side,

but it's definitely not that powerful.

Right?

Like there's so many paddles that I would say

are above it in power level.

Obviously, boomstick, loco, ario,

even the turbos, or a pro, like there's tons, right?

And then with the weight,

obviously the power does go up a little bit.

Pop goes up a lot.

Yeah.

But it's still not overall that powerful.

And it's very soft.

I would say it's the upper range of all court.

I just don't know, I mean, maybe like really low power,

but I would not put it in like,

this is definitely a power paddle.

I would, man, I would not,

I couldn't even say upper all court.

Like I feel like, I feel like because the pop is so powerful,

the pop is so high with the weight on it.

I'm just like, man, I'm thinking other all court paddles

I'm used to, like the main ones I compared it to

were the aura and the six-year-old coral pro.

And then I'm like, okay, if I bust it out in NF right now,

would I place the omniveth weight above it?

For pop, I'm like, yeah, definitely would place it above an NF.

For pop, yeah, but power.

Even power, I'd probably put it above an NF.

So I'm like, I just feel like it,

when I think all court, I don't think like low-tier power paddle

as all court, you know, like me.

Yeah, right.

I think one thing that I,

well, I might disagree with how it's categorized,

I'd be like, if you're a sell clerk, you're like, okay,

but do you think there's enough of a separation

between this and the boomstick?

In my opinion, no.

No, I don't, I think that if what you wanted was a

paddle that felt similar to a boomstick,

but toned it down a little bit.

Yes, but like, so if someone wants to buy a boomstick,

would you just be like, get this and it's cheaper?

And you have the better weighting system?

It depends.

I think if you, if you were seeking the most amount

of pop and power you could get, then I wouldn't say,

go to the omniveth.

I think some people would be able to go,

okay, I do want that little bit extra from it,

but I think if you were expecting a much more control-oriented

version of a boomstick, the omniveth,

the weight was more than I was expecting.

So it's like, I think there is some separation.

And the nice thing too is like, oh, you want it to be

more awkward?

Pop the weight off and do whatever you want to.

You know, put a little bit of weight or whatever.

I think I would agree more where when the weight's higher,

definitely more, obviously, higher weight,

higher plow through, gonna hit the ball harder.

That's just natural.

Closer to power, but even when I put the weights down here

towards the throat with weight on the paddle,

it's, in my opinion, still felt kind of like an

all-core paddle.

That's so interesting.

Like, poppy all-core, for sure, very poppy.

But not, like, I wouldn't say it was a power paddle.

I don't know.

Like, I'm not calling high tier.

I'm not saying it's not loco, it's not.

I'm trying to look at the wall and think of like,

what's a low tier power paddle that I would think of,

that I would compare this to?

And any of the power paddles that I'm looking at the wall

right now, I would place above it.

Above the low tier power paddle.

Yeah, this.

Yeah, so then, like, how do we call this, like, upper all-core?

No, I'm saying, even the low tier power paddles in the wall

are more powerful than this.

Oh, like what?

Like, the vallair, the shift?

Yeah.

Ooh.

I mean, I even hit a shift in a while, but like,

and I think, you know what, the rhombus?

One of the things that I think could trip me up with this

is that because it's still so loud, like, a boomstick,

and it's with the weight, its feel profile is like,

that, like, stiff and hollow, kind of, like, the boomstick,

where most all-core paddles are soft and dense.

Even the reserve, do you think is more powerful than this?

I can see maybe on drives, but not pop.

Not pop.

No, not pop.

But I'm specifically talking power, like, just drives.

Groundstroke serves.

Okay, maybe I can see that.

I'm talking more like the whole paddle.

Sure.

Like, both of those combined, like, if you combine them into,

like, a firepower rating, it's like, I don't know, maybe it's just,

maybe it's just because it's a feel thing.

Yeah.

Could be.

Like, you know, there's not a lot of paddles,

all-core that are stiff and hollow.

So maybe that is why it's like, trip me up.

You think this is stiff?

Oh, yeah, with the weight, for sure.

Without the weight, it's very soft.

With the weighted stiff.

What?

Go, we should go out and hit this next to an aura.

What do you call an aura?

Well, obviously, obviously, the aura is soft.

Okay.

But this, too, hitting a next to it is, I'm soft.

So, if you're placing it on a chart, where would it be?

Okay, I'm thinking like, here's my chart.

Lux, most pillow you can get.

Uh-huh.

Then you take two steps over and you've got the aura.

And then maybe one step more you've got this.

Like, maybe a little bit more.

And then the far end is like, I'm trying to think of what this,

like a paddle tech, obviously, like the stiffest thing you can possibly get.

So I don't think it's, that's crazy to me with.

I don't think it's that much stiffer.

I feel like with the weight, it's so, every time I've hit it, it's so soft.

That is crazy.

It's just springy.

Yeah, I have.

But it has such a soft feel to it.

I was not, I only got soft when I took the weights off.

Like, I love it without the weight.

The only thing is like, the sweet spot does get a little bit smaller,

which I don't love.

But I like so much more how it feels without the weight than with the weight.

Interesting.

Like, the whole time I was hitting it, even actually.

So initially, I was like, hmm, it reminds me a lot of a boomstick.

Then I hit them a little bit and I was like, okay, there's some differences.

And then I pick up the boomstick and I'm like, wow.

The feel is not as different as I would expect.

Yeah, the boomstick is different.

I feel like the rebound is like quicker.

But then I go to this and I'm like, hmm, feels not as drastic as I would have thought.

But maybe if you're self-curric, you're going, you know what?

This is the paddle that finally gave us a gigantic hit.

Everyone loved.

If we just make it a tiny bit less powerful, then we're fine.

Because I feel like if they went too far, maybe to where I'm thinking all court is,

maybe that's where they're like, okay, well, we're just going to get criticized.

I mean, then you're too close to a lux.

Yeah, right.

Then they're like, well, now everyone's just going to complain it's too soft.

And everyone would rather have the other end.

And what I do like about this, I said it in the review, is that I like that when you take the weight off,

it feels so different to me.

Because then it's like you kind of get whatever you want.

Okay, compare it to an era.

Hmm.

Obviously not a foam paddle, but pop power levels.

Hmm.

I haven't hit an era in a minute.

Pop, I would say, is higher on the Omni.

Okay.

Right.

I've speed.

I like, I don't think I would have thought it was like that big of a gap.

Interesting.

Maybe we need to just pause this.

Go on the court right now with the radar gun and literally check test it all.

Oh, man.

Yeah, I don't know.

Interesting.

I just like one of the first paddles in a long time.

We've had like very different thoughts on.

Yeah, for sure.

I've been very curious to see like what everyone else, all the conclusions other people come to,

like when consumers get home, other reviewers, what they think of it.

I mean, with fresh grit, I was able to shape the ball way more than any boomstick I've

used.

So I thought that was interesting.

And a lot of friend hit it and he agreed.

He had a place with a boomstick.

He had a brand new boomstick and I let him use this and he was like instantly.

He's like, I can't weigh more shape with this than any boomstick he plays with.

So thought that was interesting.

So shape was good, but how long has it been in the end of your last?

Who knows?

Yeah.

Overall, I think it's solid.

Would it be my first choice to bring to a tournament?

No, just because of the edge guard, but I think it's solid.

So like, let's take this out of the equation because I think for, I mean, I think you're

really the only person who I've ever heard talk about the edge guard.

So if that just say it was a regular edge guard, like across all court paddles, where

do you place it?

Would you choose to use it over other all court paddles?

Like how do you rank it in that way?

I, if I take out all the specific variables that I don't like about these all court paddles

edge guard on this shape of the Coral Pro and stuff like that, be tough.

Don't really like the aura that much.

So I'll probably put that last.

Okay.

Then I'll probably put Coral Pro and I do like play wise, I probably like this the most.

Okay.

Yeah, that's what I was curious about.

Yeah.

I'm going to take out all the specific variables.

I'd probably take this.

So it's like, I think the paddle itself is very good.

I just think the, the value is more the question marks.

So if you're someone who's like, look, I couldn't care less about price.

It does not matter to me, which there are some people that they don't care.

I think the omniproformance wise is good.

I could recommend it.

I like the paddle.

I might even use it at the nerdy turning.

I don't know.

It's going to be omniprofo.

I don't really know yet.

I think the performance is not the question.

It's more like, okay, well, Infinigrant was a big value ad.

I feel like it is less of a value ad if you play a lifetime ball.

Yeah.

And then the only other thing that makes the price tag even remotely like could consider

it being worth it is the lifetime warranty.

Like the amount of people that I know who have gotten genuine value out of that is quite

a few.

So it's like, that is the biggest thing.

But I'm like $300.

Three auras, two or one and a half like Coral Pro is like, I don't know.

I just, I think there's very good competition for all court.

So I don't know.

I feel like if you love the boomstick and wanted a little bit less, like, you might just

love the omniproformance.

But I don't think it'd be like, I'm not out here going like, oh yeah, for $300 guys,

it's the best paddle you're ever going to play.

For sure.

I would agree.

I think it's overpriced unless you think you're going to need that lifetime warranty.

So I think, think about this.

Here's an even better way to price it because I think this is the more fair way to talk

about it.

If you had to go and buy an all court paddle, your own money, are you buying an omniproform

or are you buying something else?

I guess it all depends on how, because like, I'm pretty particular about how a paddle

plays.

And if I'm going buying this paddle to play tournaments and be as competitive as I

can be, I'm looking at the wall.

I mean, you did like the facelose as well.

Yeah, facelose is good.

How much does the Coral Pro probably be 220?

I'd probably, honestly, I'd probably just buy this.

You'd buy it on me.

Specifically for performance reasons.

Like you would be able to get over that guard.

That's the toughest thing, yeah.

I mean, that again, I never try.

I never try.

I never try to put tape over the edge just softening up.

So maybe if I messed around with that, I'd get over it.

So yeah, probably would specifically for play reasons like how good I'm going to be

able to play.

Then yeah, I probably would.

OK.

Well, I'm saying I think, and that's, that's like a good way, I feel like just to explain

into the audience, because I think there's a lot of ways you can look at a paddle,

right?

There is like raw performance.

There's performance plus value.

There's like durability of different things.

And I feel like clearly the performance of it, you think is good enough to justify

the price if you had to buy it with your own money.

Yeah.

Otherwise, the other one that would be competing with the most would be the facelose.

Yeah.

So I don't think I have too much on the Omni.

I mean, by the time you guys hear this, you've probably already heard plenty about this

paddle.

And then, you know, silkercs are typically like some of the most easy to try.

They're in lots of pro shops.

I'm sure they'll kind of be out in the wild.

So if you do get to try it, let us know what you think.

Let us know where you think the fuel profile kind of is.

Let us know what, how you thought it played in terms of how poppy or whatnot.

But yeah, let us know.

So that's our thoughts on the Omni.

So I'll.

OK.

Next up we have.

The owl.

So OK.

You I've had you guys ask about this paddle.

And it really wasn't until Jack Monroe started using it that a lot of people started asking

questions about it.

And there will be a first impressions video out after this podcast, probably by Friday,

when you hear this, but we'll just give you guys some of the cliff notes right now.

I first let's go over.

Let's go over some specs first.

Then we'll get into the play of this thing.

So OK.

Swing weight.

First of all, we'll talk about the shape.

So the shape is actually an extra elongated.

So we don't see this much anymore, but it's 16.75 by 7.25.

So it is a quarter inch longer than most elongated paddles.

It has a six inch handle.

It is edgeless and has a swing weight of 131 is heavy.

Twist weight of 5.23 and the balance point was also the highest I have ever seen at 562

or 262, not 500.

That'd be an absolutely insane.

So it's a big boy.

It's thick.

It's heavy.

Yeah.

I mean, this felt surface on here across the head.

It's got a lot of weight across the upper head of the paddle.

So yeah, it's kind of wild.

It's just it's like the more you use it, the more the felt is going to fluff up and grab

the ball more durability on the edge is going to be interesting of like,

hitting the singing to the ground.

Yeah.

Basically the only thing that I think, well, first of all, they just made this in other

shapes.

It would be interesting.

I think there would be, you know, if it was like a wide body hybrid and elongated,

probably a lot more reasonable for most people.

I just don't think most people are going to swing a 131 paddle.

Sure, you know, there are some people out there like you who could swing it.

Even I, when I used it, it wasn't like killing me, but it was also a lot of like ground

strokes to test the spin.

And that is the thing that is bonkers about this.

Like you'll see when maybe I'll even put it in this video, but one of the first drives

I hit dipped so hard that you literally just whiffed.

I didn't actually think it was getting over the net.

I was just kind of still swinging and it went right under my paddle.

It was like I literally started laughing because I couldn't believe it.

Yeah.

And then drops were crazy.

Even dinks, I feel like I could put spin on it in ways that I just couldn't with other

paddles.

And then also the other aspect of it of like the actual paddle is the owl paddle.

It doesn't make sound.

It's very quiet.

It's very quiet.

So playing it throws off so much of your senses like someone hitting a full swing from

mid court.

Obviously you can see it, but you don't realize how much the audible effect of pickleball

matters until you don't have it.

Because it's so strange.

Hands battles are really funky.

So yeah, it's, I mean, we even realized that a couple of years ago when you were in

you made that concrete paddle.

I made a paddle out of solid concrete back when I used to work at a Y Y shoulder herds.

That thing weighed three pounds.

Yeah, it's great.

But back in order to a concrete manufacturer, I made that thing and dude, everyone was

like, whoa, I can't tell what you're hitting how fast it's coming at me because there's

no sound.

Yeah.

And we were talking about this all the time.

The auto like sound changes your perception of how fast the ball is or how much like how

powerful it is.

So naturally on the receiving end, if you can't even hear it, it's going to throw you

off.

And yeah, playing against this, it was really funky.

Yeah, it would take a while to get used to that.

I think if we saw these more in mass, which I kind of doubt we will just because of the

swing weight, it would be very interesting to see how the reactions would be across the

board because I think these are so few and far between that you're not going to see

a lot of complaints.

But I think the quiet would really trip people up.

I think it's reasonably powerful.

It's not crazy, but it's got some juice to it.

Yeah.

And then the spin in combination with all of that, if you had someone who could like a D1

tennis player who really knows how to spin the ball, like I mean, someone like QD would

probably be pretty wild with this.

I mean, I'm sure just a lot of pro players in general would be crazy.

I'm very curious how the market would start reacting with that.

Well, Ross go with one of these things.

I mean, be crazy.

I mean, the fact that I could spin the ball that I, the way I was doing it and like, I'm

just an average pickleball player.

Like that's crazy.

Yeah, it's pretty, is pretty wild.

So I don't know.

It's not something that I think I would probably go out recommending a ton.

And what was interesting is, and maybe it's just because it's so heavy and has so much

mass that the sweet spot feels better.

Yeah.

But it's definitely a better sweet spot for an edgel's paddle that we've ever tested.

Yeah, 100%.

Like, it wasn't that bad.

But again, I think it just has so much mass and heft up towards the head that kind of

is deceiving.

Well, you mentioned what we are hitting it is maybe some of the carpet is adding like

a little bit of extra spring in areas where it would be more rigid.

Yeah.

Well, you definitely, there is a drop off.

This is not like, oh, it's got the biggest sweet spot.

It's not like it's a boomstick.

Yeah, not a boomstick for sure.

But for edgeless, it's more than acceptable.

Like would I compare this to like even a gen two edge paddle, probably not.

But yeah, for edgeless paddles, it's, I feel like it's not that far behind it.

No, it's not.

It's probably pretty comparable.

Yeah.

Yeah, for sure.

Like, I felt like it was, I wasn't really complaining about it when I was using it.

Right.

Typically when I'm hitting an edgeless paddle, it's like very noticeable right away.

It's like wool, this sweet spot sucks.

But yeah, it didn't really cross my mind while testing this.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I just again, I still have so many questions of why is, why are people a lot

to play with this?

Why is this on an approved list?

I'll be honest, I'm getting to a point where it's not that I don't care, but things make

so little sense at this point that my desire to care is dropping immensely.

Oh, 100%.

I was like, this right here, this zoom in, this stamp right here.

Worthless.

Like, I just, this is a joke.

Yeah.

Might as well put the hush on the approved list at this point.

Yeah, I don't know why, yeah.

This can be, yeah, this can be on the approved list.

Why can't the hush?

I mean, maybe, I mean, I get it because it is so immensely powerful.

But I just tone it down.

Yeah.

It would probably sell if you made it not super heavy and it, you know, if it spins

the ball that well, the only thing we don't know is how long would this service last,

right?

Like, maybe it doesn't actually last that long.

It's going to get rougher.

The more you use it, the more it's going to grab the ball.

I saw someone, I don't know if it was in my discord, but theirs was like pretty messed

up.

And they were saying when it got to that point, they're like, it definitely dropped off.

You think, really?

That's what they were saying.

They said they've been playing with it for a while.

And they're like, it's definitely worse.

Maybe I should just use this for a while and see what I'm saying.

That happens.

Yeah.

Like, nobody would want to play with me though.

I, yeah, I know.

People would get pissed.

I think it would frustrate people with it, just not making any sound.

Yeah.

Or very minimal.

Like, honestly, I don't, I, I think if you had four of these in my backyard, I think

you would not be able to hear it in my front yard.

Yeah.

And a regular paddle, you can force your hair in my front yard.

Uh-huh.

So if, if a quiet paddle matters to you, like you live in an area, you know, this could

be an option if you can get over the swing way.

And I think they do have an older model that might be closer to a traditional length.

So it might not be as heavy, but we have the Talon X1 here.

So yeah, I don't know.

Uh, if you do plan to pick one up, don't have a code, bought this with my own money.

So find another code somewhere online.

But yeah, I just had enough of you guys ask that I was like, okay, I'll go check it out.

Because I really had never messed with one of these.

I'd maybe bounced a ball on it once.

Yep.

And I think that was when it was only quiet approved.

So I kind of just went back.

I don't really care.

Yes, better.

But then this, I don't know.

So that's the thoughts on the owl.

So many questions.

Okay.

Next up, we've got two other paddles that we hit this morning.

We got the area of cyclone hybrid.

Uh, this does have nanograph on it.

We've kind of already talked about that.

So don't think that that's really a selling point.

But this is just a hybrid version.

I want to say they only had an elongated before.

And we talked about the elongated one time on the pod.

And now we have the hybrid.

So I got to hit this a little bit this morning, because you know,

hybrid's a little bit more of my speed.

So I was curious if that changed anything.

And first thing I will say, I, if there are not too often that I find

that a paddle is genuinely overhyped in pickleball.

But if I was ever going to pick a paddle, it would be the area of cyclone.

If there's something that we're going to agree on, it's that like I,

I swear sometimes the way the cyclone gets talked about is like it is the

second coming of Jesus.

And I'm like, I, it's not that I don't get it.

Here's the thing.

I, I'm not saying it because I think the paddle is bad.

I don't believe that at all.

I actually think it is a good paddle.

But the way it gets talked about, I would think that you would go from a

four oh to a five oh just by looking at this paddle.

Like the, I swear everywhere I see it.

It's like the most hyped paddle I've ever heard.

It's not only the most hyped paddle, but it's complained about a bunch.

Like I just, it's, I don't even think it's that crazy of a paddle.

It's power paddle for sure.

But it's not that crazy.

I'm sure you've probably seen it.

This like, I did see that thing on Instagram.

This one guy playing a tournament and this older guy kept yelling at him

because it's juice and this and that.

And then they made their own videos.

I feel like it's got to be a bit like, right?

Like I feel like the whole thing is fake and it's made up.

But who knows?

Like I'm like, guys, it's on the, well, however much you want to put

weight in this approved stamp.

Yeah.

It's approved.

So you can use it.

It's not a juiced paddle.

Is it a power paddle?

Yes.

Like, I don't know.

It's so over hyped.

I think the thing for me is that I think one with how light it is,

because this one specs on this one of six swing weights, 6.29 twist weight

and static weight.

If I had to guess was probably like seven, seven or seven eight.

I do think for how light it is, it hits very hard.

Like if you waited this up to probably what you would use or let's say you did

like an M.O.I. style waiting on this, I bet you this thing absolutely pummels

the ball.

Like I have not tried that yet, but other paddles.

Right.

But I don't think it's going to hit any harder than like how I waited up my

inferno or how I weighed up in our pro.

But I think it would hit just as hard as any of the top just as hard for sure.

Yeah.

I definitely would agree with that that it's definitely up there on the power

scale, but is it so powerful that it's like, oh my gosh, I can't play against this

paddle.

Like that one video I was talking about.

Yeah.

No, I think that's silly.

Sure.

Sure.

That I agree with.

So it's like, I don't know.

I think it's maybe just that it's the way it is talked about that maybe my

expectation was shifted into this thing of like, oh, well, it's got to be like,

I don't know what it has to be, but it better be the craziest thing I've ever

created a paddle ever made.

I think it's very good.

Like the hybrid I and it's probably more of a shape thing just because I tend to like

wide body and hybrid more.

But when I played the hybrid, I liked it a lot more than I liked the elongated.

The first time I hit that like this morning when we were hitting with it, I was like,

okay, I like this.

Like I could probably go to a tournament with this right now.

Feel very comfortable.

I like how the ball is coming off.

I feel like I have good juice, but I also didn't feel like my control was completely

lost with it.

Like I liked how it's playing with it.

The thing is very solid.

I would again love to see this with some weight on it, see what that does.

Just even just a sweet spot.

I don't even really care about it.

It's so light.

I mean, 106.

I mean, that's a wide body light.

So if there was anything in my opinion to get really excited about for the

cyclone, it's not that it's the best paddle in pickleball, but I think it is one

of the lightest, true power paddles you could have.

Even the elongated was really good.

And it doesn't play bad without weight versus like a grombus

quanto where it's like, dude, you're going to need weight on this thing to make it

playable in my opinion, right?

Where it's like, did I love this hitting it outside without weight on it?

No, probably again, same thing with the shape preference, but the elongated,

even without weight, I think is pretty good.

Yeah.

So I think in, I think there are a lot of things going for it like that where it's like,

okay, hey, you're someone that maybe has some wrist issues or shoulder issues.

You need a, you want a power paddle that's light, like you still want something

and it's not going to destroy your arm.

I feel like this could be that.

Yeah.

But if you're expecting like, man, I'm going to have lux control, boom stick power.

And like all these things, it's like, I don't think it's that.

Also, again, you know, nanograph seems to be questionable as a service texture.

But yeah, I don't know.

That's kind of my thoughts is like, I think it's good.

I, you had an interesting thought on the hybrid versus elongated differences, though.

Like tell me about that.

So I, when I was playing them, I felt like the hybrid was more springy and less rigid

and then the elongated.

It just felt like a little stiffer to me where when I was hitting drops, I liked it more

on the hybrid.

I felt like for certain touch shots, I just felt like a little bit more in control than

I did with the elongated.

Like maybe some of that does just come down to, hey, the hybrid has a bigger sweet spot.

Then the elongated and that's what I'm used to hitting.

It felt just different enough for me to go like, I liked the hybrid more because of that.

Not that it was a completely different paddle, but just subtly different enough that I cared.

You know, and so I don't know.

To me, the paddle, like the cyclone is a whole overhyped, but I think for the right segment

of people certainly has its place.

Yeah.

Like, yeah, it's not bad.

Right.

And yeah, by us saying it's like super overhyped and like, people think it's way too good.

Do we think it's bad?

No.

Something is a good paddle.

I just think it's not this crazy, amazing paddle that everyone says it is.

It's like, it feels like the way I see it talked about is like, if it came down from the

heavens and it was glowing and people were like, it has the longest lasting grid in pickle

ball.

It's 99 swing weight, but has the plow through of 130.

It's 99 dollars comes in all three shapes and it'll make you breakfast.

That's like how I swear I see this pad.

Everyone's bowing down to this paddle.

Was it falls from the skies?

Yeah, exactly.

It's just like, man, like, yeah, it's good, but we don't have to act like I would marry

this thing.

It's crazy.

I don't even understand how it became so like, like crazy hyped.

It's not like they have some crazy marketing that's going on or like, it's being blasted

everywhere.

It's just kind of all of a sudden was like, it blew up.

Yeah.

Weird.

I don't know.

I don't know.

So, yeah, it's solid.

I think it's good.

Great power paddle.

You like the pretty stiff and hollow, really springy, poppy, powerful paddles.

Like if you like an inferno, you'll like this.

You like a boom stick.

Nope.

You could like this.

I don't think it's quite as stiff as like a boom stick.

I agree.

But yeah, it's in that realm of paddles or it's like, you know, if you're seeking big

pop and power and you don't want it as like the price of something like a boom stick

then.

Yeah.

Yep.

Exactly.

Okay.

And the last one we'll talk about before we get to our game, which I'm very excited

for this game.

Yeah.

It's going to be interesting.

So, this is not out yet.

There's not an exact release date, but I think they made it sound like it would most

likely be June and they said there was no embargo.

So, this is the 11624 Ultra.

I did ask.

It's Ultra, even though it has an E in the name.

So, this is an interesting one.

It's basically just another shape for the power to line.

There are a lot of people who they don't like the rounded top.

Isaac's not a big fan of the rounded top paddles.

And so, they basically made a flat top one.

What's interesting is definitely I would say it's still technically a hybrid, but it's

weird because there are elongateds that are this length and it's like just a little

bit longer than a hybrid, but a little bit shorter than an elongated.

So, it's like, I don't know what.

Some people could probably feel it's one or the other, you know.

You're going to grab a paddle.

Oh, cosmos.

Like, it should be a little bit longer than this.

It's hold this up here.

It's like identical.

So, maybe the cosmos is also like, I don't have the tape measure down here, but maybe

this is like 16.

It's like a normal hybrid is 16.25.

The Ultra is around 16.35.

So, the thing is, is like, even though it may be close to an elongated, I would not

say this place is like an elongated at all.

The handle is definitely shorter.

It's a more, finally, a more normal shape from 11624, which I appreciate.

I think this is better than the vapor playing with this today.

It's more stable.

It feels more solid.

What I actually just before you move on from that was actually interesting.

So, our unit was 111 swing weight, 6.34 twist weight.

I actually would have thought with this having the flatter top that the swing weight

would have been quite a bit higher, especially because it is longer than the power two, because

let me go to my database quick.

I'm pretty sure that the vapor is like not that far in terms of swing weight.

It is also 111.

So, I don't really know how this could be longer, flat top, and be 111.

Oh, this is what I've been saying.

That curved top does not actually save you swing weight points.

It definitely does.

It first sure does.

What I'm curious is that this is actually, we have other ones.

We should check them.

This is a really light one or what the deal is, because that's just very interesting to

me.

Yeah.

But, again, I much appreciate the flat top.

If I was going to have to pick, I would take this over the vapor for sure.

Still just, okay, power two, I think it's a good paddle.

Great paddle.

Just not for me.

I don't particularly love how it plays, but I recognize it is a very good paddle for

the masses and people will like it.

And it is much appreciated that there is a more normal shape.

Yeah, I like playing with it this morning.

I don't think I had a lot of expectations going into it.

I was just kind of curious, like, oh, will it play very different?

And to me, it definitely felt like it had a larger sweet spot, because one of the things

playing with the vapor power to is I definitely felt like I had to add weight on the sides.

And I also felt like I had to add weight at the head, which I rarely feel like with most

paddles.

Hitting this morning probably only hit this for about 20 minutes, because we were rotating

a couple other paddles.

But in that 20 minutes, it felt more stable and just clean on certain off-center hits

that on the vapor I remember just going like, ah, like, I didn't really love how that

felt.

So I feel like if you were someone who didn't like how the vapor played, like, oh, you're

like, oh, I don't like how it looks.

This is probably your, what this would be, your next best option.

Just with it being flat, I think it'll be more stable.

And it's not drastically heavier.

Like, honestly, I thought just looking at the shape that this was going to be like a 116,

117 swing weight probably, and it's still plenty light.

So yeah, I don't know.

I think it's not going to be, this is not a new paddle.

No, it's just a new shape, right?

It's just another option.

Yeah.

So for people who want that, you know, have that as an option.

I think there will be people who appreciate that.

On the handle length, actually, let me just hold it up.

Let me see what the taper is here.

If you've held a cosmos, it's almost identical.

It's a very similar taper as a cosmos.

So you're not getting like the full elongated handle.

So if you are someone that that's going to like bother you, do just be warned.

Here's what I say.

116, 24, drop the vapor, drop the harache, make it both normal, flat top elongated and

hybrid.

There you go.

Now you've got good, good pedals, good shapes.

No, no, no.

That's what I should say.

But yeah, I don't know.

I liked it.

I want to hit that one a little bit more.

It's not going to be anything like I don't know that it needs its own like whole review,

like maybe just a quick short or something.

But yeah, if you're interested in that, check it out.

I think it could be interesting for certain people that didn't like the vapor.

I just think when it comes to shapes outside of like beyond just like hybrid elongated

wide body, I don't think there's much of a reason to go off the path.

That would be what?

I'm just typical like the normal shapes, right?

So like enhance with their hybrid, right?

I don't see a purpose in that.

The vapor, I don't really see a purpose in that.

This is much better in my opinion shape wise than for a hybrid than the vapor or like

elongated with the harache.

We have such a great elongated shape.

I don't see any benefit in the harache shape or like even for me with the, um, I'm

playing on Yola's curved.

Hyperion?

Hyperion.

The purse is just a much better shape.

I don't know.

Some people just like it.

Like we have a guy here that he won't use anything but the I.

So few.

Yeah.

So few people.

But even if it's few, there are still people who will use it.

No.

No.

I'm just going to get his review or card revoked.

All right.

Let's play this game here.

So we have a game where basically I've seen this all over the internet and so many.

So I pick some paddles for Isaac.

He is going to hold it up next to his head on the phone.

So if you are watching this, this is going to be very funny.

If you are listening, I am going to insert a voice over with what the paddles are so

you can hear what it is because if you can't, it's much funnier if you can see.

So I was going to hold this up to his head and have to guess what his paddle is.

Yep.

And I will do the same.

We both do it at the same time.

Here's my phone.

Let me make sure that.

So since you're listening to this podcast episode, that means you can't see what's

on our head.

Isaac had an on XZ5 and I had an engaged pursuit pro MX.

So you can ask one question each and then go back and forth until we get it.

Yes.

Just make sure you don't look at the modern.

I'm not looking at the modern.

I'm looking right at you.

Okay.

If you see me, look that way, yell at me.

But I'm not going to look that way.

Okay.

You're ready to hold up.

Yep.

Okay.

Well, hold it up vertically.

Oh, is it a vertical?

I have yours vertical.

And then you'll probably want to hold it just curved so that the screen over there can

kind of see it.

Okay.

Ask your question.

Am I only single certified?

Yes.

Okay.

Go ahead.

You can ask.

We'll go back and forth.

Yeah.

Am I a hybrid?

No.

Okay.

Go ahead.

You might have to like stick.

I don't know.

Actually, I'll hold that.

I'm going to hold this down just to link it your monitor quick just to make sure your

phone is in frame.

Okay.

Yeah, I can be seen.

Okay.

Is does mine come in multiple shapes, all three shapes comes in multiple shapes, but not

all three, not all three.

Okay.

Got it.

Is my name typical of the three shapes?

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

It's one of them.

Okay.

Okay.

Am I a major brand or a smaller brand?

Major brand.

Okay.

Okay.

Am I a top three brand?

I wouldn't put it top three.

No.

As a brand?

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

That helps.

So am I elongated?

No.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Oh, man.

What?

Oh, wait.

Am I released in the last three years?

No.

Oh.

Okay.

I think it's close.

Okay.

Interesting.

So am I a wide body?

You are a wide body.

Okay.

Only comes a wide body.

Only comes in a wide body.

Plus.

Okay.

To my knowledge.

Really?

Really?

To my knowledge.

Okay.

Go ahead.

This is now that I'm thinking about this.

It's so much harder to like narrow down.

I know.

This is really tough.

Was this paddle ever good?

Yeah.

Like it was relevant.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

Shoot.

I think you're on to it.

Okay.

Guys, I have nothing.

Only comes in wide body.

Dual approved, single approved.

Single approved.

Single approved.

Okay.

So it's.

What's the only good thing?

Is it, um, man.

Comes in multiple shapes.

Did I like this paddle?

I genuinely don't remember.

I don't think so.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah, I don't think so.

Okay.

Go ahead.

Major brand?

Ish?

I mean, not today.

Not today.

So it must be older.

Okay.

Go ahead.

Oh, man.

Was this paddle controversial?

No.

Okay.

Gosh.

I'm so lost.

I think yours is hilarious.

I'm like, is this gonna be obvious when I see it?

Um, it's one of the more normal say.

It's a wide body.

Single approved.

Did it come out in the last three years?

No.

Did pros ever use my paddle?

Yeah.

For sure.

And they liked it?

Yeah.

Am I the bird wide body?

No.

Okay.

It's not a sell-curt paddle.

Not a sell-curt paddle.

How are you?

I feel like with the questions you've gotten,

you should know like no exactly what this thing is.

Okay.

So all I've got so far, I feel like,

is that it's USAP approved.

It's probably only got two shapes.

And it's a semi-relevant brand.

How's the not obvious to you?

That's crazy.

It's okay.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

No, you already asked your ex-boyfriend.

It's my turn.

I'm so lost.

Okay.

Does it only come in one color?

No.

Oh, so it has multiple color options.

Yeah, I'm pretty, yeah.

Okay.

Well, I was gonna say that I think it's a double-like diamond,

but pros didn't use that and I loved that paddle.

So it's not a double-like diamond, I don't think.

Is it from carbon?

No.

Dang it.

Then what brand is this?

Okay, I'm not a major brand.

Came out longer than the last three years.

Wide body only, single-approved.

I'm assuming no pros ever used it.

Did pros use it?

I think pros did use it one.

Okay, pros did use it.

Okay, go ahead.

Hold on.

There we go.

Yeah, man, what could yours be?

What is this paddle?

I'm actually genuinely sure.

Like, I'm lost, so lost right now.

And with the answers you've gotten,

I feel like you should know exactly what this is.

Pros used, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Is it Adidas?

No.

Dang it.

But that wasn't multiple-

That was gonna say.

That doesn't help me.

Pros used it, wide body only.

Oh, electro-modally.

No.

The E wasn't elongated, by the way.

Or the, yeah, it's not, it's not electro.

Freak.

Because I was gonna say the Pro 2.

Is this brand relevant right now?

Yeah.

People would buy from this brand.

Maybe not a lot of people, but people do.

What I recommend this brand.

That's two questions, but I feel like you'd be on the edge.

On the edge, what the heck?

Recommending it.

Okay, okay.

One more question.

I'm so opposed to use this.

Wide body only.

Why can't I think, I'm gonna feel so dumb

when I look at this.

I feel like I'm gonna feel so dumb when I look at this.

Definitely think you're gonna feel dumb.

Oh, oh, is it an Amp Pro?

No.

What?

Okay, your last question.

Oh, man.

Man, last question to narrow this down.

What is a good question that we don't think we're both failing?

Yeah, I think we might, unless I hit a hail Mary

on the actual guess.

I'm shocked you don't know with everything I've given you.

I don't feel like they're that helpful.

I don't know, maybe the people watching this.

I wouldn't you look at it.

I think you're gonna be like,

what, how long ago was the last,

not podcast video I made about this brand?

Not podcast?

Not podcast.

It's been a while, I think.

It's been a long time.

I don't know the exact, but it's been a while.

Okay, well that helps me narrow down my guess.

I have made a hold on.

I think I've got something.

You said it comes in multiple colors, wide body.

Oh, I have to hit it.

Was it the most selling paddle on the internet?

I don't know what you get.