Toy Story 5
2026-08-02 04:00:00 • 2:33:10
I don't know, Jesse.
I mean, Toys are for play, but podcasts.
Toys are for everything.
I have to say, I don't like that line, but it's the closest thing to a line in the trailer.
It feels like a trailer line.
It's a real trailer.
It feels like a sort of mission statement line.
It's a mission statement line.
Now, here's what I want to say.
And I felt like I had to open the code.
He's saying tech is for everything, right?
Yes.
Here's what I want to say to open the episode.
Toy Story in five.
Oh, we did it.
Oh, the sigh emanating from a re-barnisling.
Toy Story in five.
He's referencing the Nick's pen.
I got it.
The Toy Story won the movie franchise championship in only five entries.
Marie, why so sad?
I just want to say that Woody wears cowboy boots with spurs on them.
Oh, so you're saying he's a San Antonio fan?
Yes he is.
I'm all I'm saying is that Toy Story won.
That's all I'm saying.
That's what that Toy Story, the first movie.
I'm saying that Toy Story won the championship.
It didn't just to be clear, but it's interesting that you're saying that
because you're saying there's a movie franchise champion.
Ben and I have talked about this like what would we have seen in this movie?
And it's like what would we have seen in this movie?
Is there a more consistent five movie run?
I would argue mission impossible.
I know people don't.
But he's going to exclude it because it has more than five.
No, I know.
No, because what would you call the five run?
One, three, five.
Like I love two.
I'm sorry, I know people don't like you.
What about them?
What about four through eight though?
Like you kind of go like the true.
Right.
Right now.
Isn't it eight?
I think so.
Yeah, it was eight.
Oh, Jesus.
Okay.
Well then, you know, because you could do even four through eight is kind of a,
obviously mission possible three sort of a prologue.
Right.
Like that's the confidante.
It's a wash.
To me, that franchise is more impressive, maintaining quality.
Or you could do three to seven and just be like, and then they had a weird cliffhanger.
And you're made another one.
Weird.
I mean, we do have to live in a world where they botched the ending really badly.
Now Griffin, take it easy just because you want Toy Story to win.
Doesn't mean you have to say that they botched it really badly.
It is a botch it really badly.
I think that movie sucks.
Who is that?
I find that movie so frustrating.
He's going to be weird.
Anything we throw at him, he'll be like, I actually turns out it's bad.
No, I want to say, I'm ready to be normal about this movie.
This is not my favorite movie of the year.
We need like a big lot.
Ready to be normal.
How many tote bags of merchandise did you bring today?
One, I had one already here.
We're going to take some social videos on this.
How many pieces of Toy Story apparel are you wearing right now?
Currently three.
What's the third?
You have a hat, a shirt, a shoe.
I got the Adidas before they sold out.
That was a multiple alarms drop.
I'll have you now.
Those are cool shoes.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
He's just like, you know what?
I'm going to, I'm just, I'm on board.
I'm just on board.
I'm about to correct what you're about to ask.
Well, no, I'm going to say Griffin, you have now added a new case to your iPad?
Well, I've joined the pond.
I'm on the pond.
I have a lily pad case.
I have smarty pants and I have snappy here on my desk.
I noticed snappy before.
This is the lily pad.
It's just a case for it.
It's like an actual iPad.
Is that that makes sense?
There was a tweak going around that was semi viral of like, why are they producing the
evil toy?
It was basically a version of, you know, the classic like, at long last we've created
the torment nexus.
Yes.
Famous from the novel.
Do not create the tormentor.
At long last we've created the lily pad.
Yes.
Famous movie.
Do not create the lily pad.
Well, because it's right.
It's like, obviously you make toys of villains, but this is saying we made the device for
real.
The device that breaks Bonnie's face says is right.
It's a flawed device.
Now I want to clarify, there are two main lily pad toys.
There's this, which is just an iPad case that you put your own tablet into.
Yeah.
So in that case, don't hate the case.
Hate the tablet, right?
If the tablet's causing psychological damage.
Sure.
The other one is like a super nerfed down dumb like learn your ABC's led tablet.
I assume it does not have social network.
They have held off from making anything that dangerous.
Yes.
But we will, I will give these to you on social, Marie.
The snappy I have the camera character break out, break out star of the new film.
It is a functional camera.
I have been taking stealth picks the last couple of weeks, including a snappy version of
Stavvy of Tracy Letz.
I have some very goofy pictures on this low quality digital camera.
I can't wait.
I can't wait to, how do we get them off?
Well, much like in this movie, you got hard wire.
You got to plug it in.
The double A gang, they all need cables.
Oh my God, what was I going to ask you?
I had another toy story related question.
I don't know.
I think we've both just so overwhelmed.
Was it due to shoes light up?
They don't.
You saw a post that the shoes light up and I want to make it clear those were the child
versions and I bought the adult.
Yes.
I don't let the adult versions light up.
I wonder what.
No, thank God I am one size over being a child.
Footwise.
What size?
I think it's seven and a half.
It depends on how much flexibility I want.
I think I'm a men's five.
Yeah.
What were you going to ask?
I was going to ask, how old is Bonnie?
Bonnie, she's eight and a half in this film and blaze is supposed to be about nine, nine
and a half.
They say she's nine.
Yeah.
She's eight and a half in this film in Toy Story 4.
She's starting kindergarten.
Someone assume she's five.
Okay.
Okay.
So three, three years in change.
I think it should be illegal for illegal for eight and a half year olds to text.
So, yeah.
Other people.
You know, there's, Britain's bringing in a band.
It's, it's the future of the world.
We all saw this film together.
Basically, the smartphone band for any kid under 16 is sort of, it seems to be the sort
of future.
At one point, David, you screamed.
This is a movie about, sorry.
It was put it to you.
It, but it was a loud whisper.
It was at this movies about bad parenting.
I was, I was feeling a little chuckle.
I was really upset.
You were getting worked up.
I was, I was really upset by how all the kids just talking to strangers on the phone.
On the internet.
Yeah.
It's just, it's just one of those things.
It's just like, I don't know.
We got to this thing and I'm like, you know, read the manual before you maybe hand your
child a smart tablet.
It's like Club Penguin where you're like, this is a closed loop safe space only for children.
And then of course, there have been 15 years of like Club Penguin lawsuits.
Of course.
But also Club Penguin was in like the beginning days of this.
And this is just, you know, Bonnie's parents, I just have a lot of questions about Bonnie.
Love Bonnie.
Yeah.
She's great.
Bonnie is a genius.
She's an incredible kid.
Look, the, here's the thing they, that's working against them.
They live in a world ascension toys who are plotting at all times to do all kinds of shit
that they don't know about.
So that's so true.
Yeah.
I don't have to deal with that.
I have to deal with a lot of stuff as a parent.
The toys are not alive.
The toys working possibly against me.
Yeah.
You don't know.
I actually do know because I'm a grown up.
Yeah.
I will say.
I will say.
I will say.
I will say.
I will say.
The toys turn out to be alive.
Yeah.
Okay.
It is, it is well established that Bonnie's dad is a dope and the toys love fucking with him
in particular.
In the fourth one, I feel like that's a big narrative.
They find it fun.
I mean, they get the cops called on.
They almost killed that whole family.
Yeah.
They're like driving the cars.
They're like driving the cars.
Yeah.
Into a crowd of people.
Right.
I think it is the greatest bit this movie has as a sort of like large global bit across
the film.
There are four movies where the toys have to be so strategic about what they do to not
break the rules of the world.
And in this one, they're like no one's paying attention.
No one's paying attention.
And if it is, that is their hack a little bit.
They'll lie to themselves.
Yeah.
People are so addicted to computer.
Seems like the rules are that they just kind of automatically shut down when they're
seen.
Well, we'll get true, but I would say they break it more and more and they're by this
point, they're kind of breaking it a lot.
Like, you know, the toys are trying to animate unless they are truly in like the hands
of a child.
And then there's a point of finger at a lingering question from the first movie, which
is her question.
Why does Buzz shut down if he thinks he's not a toy?
It's a question people have always had in this movie is sort of a knowledge.
Yeah.
Really cool.
Cool.
And it's not just like even though Buzz for some reason is not blessed with the knowledge
that he is a toy that most toys seem to be blessed with.
He still has the subconscious need to go limp.
And what's the internal logic there?
And I don't think they guild the lily pad on that one.
I think it's a pretty simple one line.
I think I'm going to go.
Nope.
No, no, no.
This is the bed we made.
This is the bed we made.
It's not the bed we made.
It is.
You said that on a prior.
It's a bed we made.
It is.
You said that on a prior.
It's a bed we made.
It's a bed we made.
It's a bed we made.
One person made the bed.
There's one bed maker in the room.
Although you don't drive me as a person that makes their bed.
So much.
You know what?
I do like constructing things.
No, we mean we don't mean making a bed out of like wood.
We mean like making your bed like pulling the sheet out.
He interpreted that way.
It's all we need.
He's telling us.
It's storytelling.
Griffin, can I?
It depends on the day.
It's a big depends on the day.
Can I ask you a question?
Please.
Because I don't think any of us have ever been to where you live.
Uh-huh.
Do you have like novelty sheets bedding?
No, no, no, no.
I have grown up bed sheets.
Oh, grown up bed sheets?
I've got to say I'm a little surprised.
Yeah, bed threads.
I can call out the company bed threads.
I was always a Brooklyn guy and then I feel like they haven't sponsored the podcast in
a while.
I'm sorry.
Come on back Brooklyn.
Please.
Brooklyn and I need to get new to you.
Yeah.
I need to do that.
I'm a good.
A very good company called bed threads.
Romely gifted me and then I bought some additional stuff from them.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's a mature brown and cream linen.
Okay.
It feels still feel very woody coated to me.
Maybe subtly.
Very subtly.
Maybe you can add some like red and yellow throw pillows.
Uh, sure.
Kind of like Disney bound your bed a bit.
Yeah.
Ben to answer your question.
The other toys choose to shut down.
So it's not to be caught, right?
And obviously in the first movie they willingly break the rule because Woody reveals himself
to be alive to sit in order to save the day, right?
But it feels like it's more like a moral code kind of thing and buzz always would just
go into seemingly hyper sleep without it being acknowledged.
And in this one, there is the moment where the human guard comes when they're by the
dock.
The future buzz.
The tech buzzes, the high tech buzzes and they go like, why did we just shut down?
Yeah.
Right.
But they basically say that it's like a defensive protective maneuver in star command
programming or whatever.
Okay.
That they enter like a shutdown mode in self defense.
And then they start to unpack what's going on.
You know, yeah.
I think I should buy some more Nick's gear.
I'm trying to remember what movie this episode is about.
Oh, Toy Story 5.
So what is the podcast?
Blank Trek with Griffin and David.
I'm Griffin.
I'm David.
It's podcast about filmography's directives who have massive success early on in their
careers and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects
they want.
And sometimes in one year, they make the least existent film of 2026 going straight
to Hulu.
This is true.
No offense to it.
I mean, maybe the smidge of offense to it by the.
And then within mere months within the blink of an eye one might say yes.
Have another movie open over like $150 million to mess.
It sure seems like it might not hit 200, but it's going to do a very solid 150 plus.
It did 17.5 Thursday.
Very good.
Preview number.
That's a big movie that is.
I don't know if you know this.
Yeah.
Or children.
It's for children.
Allegedly.
The only animated film that has beaten that as a Thursday preview is Incredibles 2 which
is 182 open is the current record holder for animated film and it beat it by one million.
Yes.
Right?
That did it inside out to didn't beat it.
No.
Yeah.
Inside out to was just this incredible moment.
A hold.
Well, the hold was no no is this moment where everything had been opening poorly.
And people were like for like three months.
The box office is dead.
People were back to like movies are over.
Yes.
And then inside out to is coming on everyone was like no, and even cares about this.
The trailers have been kind of whatever.
And then it opened huge and everyone was like, oh, well, all right.
You know, like sort of the start of people being like, well, I guess some stuff does work.
And then more and more stuff started working.
And I mean, this is kind of turned around.
Yeah.
So story four had a 12 million preview.
They were projecting last night that this was doing 1314 and it came in.
It came in high.
Many millions about that.
I love it.
It's like it's over performing in a year where the box office is doing great.
And not only that, there is a robust variety of different types of movies.
I love the movies.
I love the movie.
We loved movies.
There was people pocket watching disclosure day because they were like, it feels like
they're not even trying to advertise this to Gen Z.
And then it opened and in the opening weekend, which was above estimates or above projections,
then they were like, oh, and look at the exit tracking.
It was 75% over 30.
And I'm like, what's the problem?
Yes, fucking one.
Every movie doesn't have to be for everyone.
Right.
They successfully got 50 year olds to go to the movies.
Good.
I agree.
There was just a really funny post on the blankies right.
I wanted to find it, but it's, I don't know where it ended up.
But someone talking about the film's mantra stand.
We have.
We have in the mini series is of course called Pazzi.
Pazzi.
Pazzi.
Someone just said that the Star Wars, the Mandalorian and Grogu standee had tipped over
at their and someone just posted the manda flore and I just haven't really gotten
it.
That's what it feels like.
The movies are back in Mandalorian.
It's just like on the like face down and I was like, who cares?
There couldn't be a better failure amongst the successes.
And it's not even that I have spiked for that movie, but it just represents every bad
habit of studio filmmaking for the last 15, 20 years.
Even you're not quite beloved, but you're some, you know, masters of the universe, which
you sort of enjoyed.
I feel like I haven't seen you yet.
But like that one too, it's just kind of like, nope, this form, this rulebook is going
to get tossed like I don't think it's bad for that movie to flop.
I think it's probably beneficial to the movie culture.
Yeah.
And in fact, everything I dislike about that movie is the stuff is the formula of
stuff.
The formula that is I think causing it to fail and that I think we need to get a wash
out of the system.
I still think obviously, you know, it seems Spider-Man will do well.
Some of these things are going to well and we're sticking today talking about the fifth
film in a film and we're talking about Toy Story 5, which is potentially going to break
records for the franchise.
That movie that I think is successful and very enjoyable, but obviously, I'm happy
you have it and I'm happy people have it.
Easy.
I don't think it really, it does not quite justify its existence.
If you, you know, if you pointed gun at me, sure, I'm like, I don't know that it really
added enough new that we had to have it, but at least it's good and at least it's doing
well and it's well made.
And I'm like, I'm kind of basically like, it's all good.
Yeah.
Like, wow, yeah.
They had a whole, you know, sort of room in the Toy Story world that they never explored.
I'm like, I feel like we're hitting a lot of the stuff we've thought about before in
Toy Story, but that's okay.
Here's what I'll say.
I think I put the other four above it.
I rate four much higher than most people.
I do two.
You like three less than the size of it.
I think I put this over three.
I just don't like three.
I rewatched three and four after we saw five and four grew in my estimation.
I just love it.
Four is great, but four is very controversial.
Whatever.
The thing's on the reddit you would not believe.
I would say the Toy Story reddit.
Yeah, where people call Bonnie a and I quote the normal zone.
The what?
Someone did the Anthony.
I almost said this to Ben before the record and then I said, I'm when we were in the theater
and I was like, I'm going to save this for the on mic response.
Ben is stunned silence.
I don't think that's acceptable.
I think that person should apologize.
I just want to say that the cartoon character Bonnie, before you got here, I was telling Ben
and David that I have spent some time on the Toy Story reddit recently and the range
place.
It's a really it's a really sad place.
But sad and scary.
I used to be on the blueie reddit because I just wanted to know like when new episodes
were dropping.
And after a little while, I was like, I think I cannot see even just headlines from this
thing anymore.
These people are out of their mind because three quarters of them are like, childless
adult here, but I love blueie more than I love my own family.
And you're just like, oh my god.
Right.
It's a, you know, it's a special interest or whatever.
But like, I wasn't getting like, calling a child the seaword vibes from the reddit.
I was getting more like, I'm like, you know, a 30 year old man and I'm trying to decide
what, which of my toys to bring with me to the theater.
I would say that's half of the reddit.
Okay.
I would say that's half and that's the sweet half.
And that's the sweet half.
That's the emphasis I put on that.
That is the innocuous.
I'm not saying sweet.
I'm saying like, that's the like, oh, that's sweet.
I understand that it's not at least a level in, but it's maybe a little less.
You know the Anthony Bourdain meme about Henry Kissinger where it's like, you read about
what he did and you're going to want to attack him with a hammer, a restaurant or
whatever.
Uh, people, someone recently posted that with Bonnie where when you just, it's once
you've been to Cambodia, you'll never stop wanting to be Henry Kissinger to death with
your bare hands is the is the Bourdain line.
And it was once you read the full, you know what it was?
It wasn't even the full plot breakdown.
It was that the little golden book had shipped.
So people were breaking down the spoilers from the story from the children's book adaptation
and it was replacement.
Once you read the little golden book adaptation of Toy Story 5, you'll never stop wanting
to beat Bonnie to death with a hammer.
Right.
Why?
They don't like about it.
They're like, Bonnie is disrespectful to the toys.
What?
She's a child who doesn't know they're alive.
Okay.
All right.
I think we got a, we got a pivot away from it.
I know.
I'm like actually really upset by all the sad Bonnie's their maniacs on the internet.
Their maniacs on the internet.
And what they don't understand, of course, is that Andy is a cuck loser in Bonnie Rock.
Andy is absolutely a cuck loser.
With every increasing film, Andy is found dead in a ditch.
Bonnie is such a champion.
Especially because the plots of the, the first, the Andy movies, the way he plays,
well, basically on a spot.
It's so one and it's so one and it's so one and it's so one and it's so one and it's
so one and it's so fun.
It's so fun.
Now, I mean, I think they also realize as they made these movies, like, oh, right.
That's interesting.
We should have more and more fun with that, depicting the play or whatever.
But the first two United States, from outside, there's a bad guy and then Woody and Buzz
fucking kill him.
People talk to a pork shop.
Yeah.
Or one I bought one of the baddest guys of all time.
He's terrible.
Well, I mean, once you read, once you read about what evil doctor pork shop day, you'll
never want to stop eating the death of a hammer.
And if you beat him to death of the hammer, you'll get a bunch of coins inside of him.
Today we're talking Toy Story 5 directed by Andrew Stan, which is a fascinating case
of a fifth film in a franchise directed by someone who's directed none of the previous,
but has quietly kind of been the author of this whole franchise.
He's always had a hand.
Yes.
The reason why he's silent evolved.
He's the author.
And so many ways he was, I mean, he's certainly been driven to the same.
He's been driven to try to erase the participation of one hugging fella.
Yeah.
Here's my thing with lots of hugging, Lassiter.
You look at the movies he made where he didn't have everyone working with him.
And you're like, huh, where is the juice?
Is that cars?
Is that what we're talking about?
Yes.
But also like the fucking Sky Dance animated film.
Oh, he's now over seeing.
Yeah, but he's not, he's not even directing.
I think Lassiter was quite vital to the original Toy Story.
He was.
Yes, yes, no question.
But Stanton was always involved.
You're saying?
Yes.
Three?
Three is the one he's least involved.
That's the worst one.
You know what?
That was my take rewatching it.
Yeah.
It, it, it's so nasty.
I mean, I've, I've ranted about it before.
Like I just, yeah, I think it's a movie that's just like about grownups feeling guilty or
what about growing up, whatever.
And I'm like, you need to take a pill and relax, like calm down.
I also think the moment where they're all going to die in the furnace sucks and is ruined
by a stupid day of six mocking.
It makes so bad.
It makes no sense.
The whole thing sucks.
That movie is stupid.
And now Tarantino's out here being like, that's the best movie ever made.
Why they ever make more please come on our podcast, Quentin.
I respect a lot of the movies he've made, but you're also.
He's too busy hanging out in Tel Aviv.
Yeah, that's right.
Today we'll tell you what movie he almost did on this podcast.
Let's keep what we're not going to talk about it today.
Um, it is this weird thing though.
We're right.
There's a portion of people who also were just like, that is the best ending the franchise
we'll ever have.
And it is disgusting.
David is putting a middle finger up to that person to me.
And then he successfully pivoted to a strong man.
Here's the thing I like about this movie.
And this is sort of the, the internal battle of what you're saying.
This is the first one to not even attempt to be an ending since totally right.
Yes, exactly.
Four still had that responsibility.
It seemed where they were like, well, I guess we'll make it a good bite of Woody.
People are so upset at the idea that we're ruining the sanctity of the three ending that
we need to have an ending that's similarly kind of emotional and built around closure.
And this one is like, who are we fucking kidding?
You know, I probably keep making these as long as Dana Walden said recently that this
is the most streamed franchise on Disney+.
Can confirm.
For my asshole.
Right.
Above any other Disney Pixar Marvel star worst thing.
This is so infinitely valuable to them.
These characters are so beyond evergreen that this movie does feel in certain ways a little
bit more like the Toy Story shorts and Toy Story of Terror, which I love where it's just
like, let's just have another adventure.
Right?
Yeah, basically, it's got a, it's got a defined angle.
It's a bit smart.
And it's cleaning up some nerd business.
It does some good clean up for your nerds out there.
I'm taking my daughter to it on Sunday.
Wait, what screening are you going to?
I don't.
When?
I think noon.
Because we're going with the year-old.
We're going to the 11.
I thought you were leaving.
Aren't you?
That night.
Red eye.
No, I'm taking her Sunday.
Yeah, we're going Sunday.
Okay.
Well, I know I won't be at that one.
I think it's noon.
It's sorry.
But I wonder what she will make of.
I'm constantly questioning what kids get out of, especially this movie.
Well, make up the big tech message of the kind of like kids should play like this
on like this, because it's like, this is a little old for like, you know, like that.
I don't know that my daughter has thought too hard so far about like socializing, right?
You know, which is a big part of me.
Well, your daughter's very bonny coated in a lot of ways.
Your daughter reminds me of Bonnie.
That's totally fair.
I know what you mean about how she plays, but you know, this is heavy for a five year
old.
I'm not sure it'll translate.
And I'm almost certain.
And again, she's five.
So like, you know, she's not the only viewer of this movie that she will not understand
the Jesse, the big Jesse plot.
I think that's going to go completely over her head to the point of confusion.
Interesting.
But she's seen too.
Yeah, she's not going to get it.
She's not going to get the like Jesse named her daughter after.
Like that's just not going to make sense.
I love that.
That's the one thing in this movie that I didn't like, but we can talk about it.
That emotionally devastated me.
And I thought in a way that was not overstated, which I appreciate that they didn't make
too much of a meal out of the moment.
And that it's not the ending point.
Yeah.
That it is a beat to beat.
Are you going to name your potential future child after a toy?
I had always said I was going to name my kids Brewster and Shriplie.
After a movie.
Brewster and Ripley.
Yeah, after Ellen Ripley and Brewster McLeod.
Yeah, I know.
I mean, after Ellen Ripley or Alan DeGeneres.
That's so true.
I could name my child Little Ellen or David's mom.
Yeah, sure.
And not an homage to a great woman if you're if you so choose.
Yeah, I should name my child after David.
What is it?
I'm not sure that Ripley's, I'm trying, I'm trying everyone Ripley's first name becomes
is Ripley's name in the first alien I forget.
Ellen, you mean?
Yes.
Like does Cameron give her for, you know what I mean?
Like is in the first movie like everyone's got like a last name and like, you don't
really know much about the readouts.
You might.
Yeah, I don't remember.
Yeah, I might memory she's Ellen from the beginning.
Let's find out.
I'm Ellen.
I mean, I think it's definitely harder for young boys to have toys that have like names
that you would give your child.
Like, Bionicle, you know, like if you call your child Bionicle, like you get put on a
little list.
For the government, you know, I mean, while my favorite toy was named Samantha Parkington,
which is a totally normal name for a girl.
Why Annacle is also the name of the property.
It's not the name of a character.
Okay, what are the names of the characters?
Yeah, I'm looking at a Bionicle.
I'm looking it up.
But I wonder, I wonder what she will make it to.
I'm very interested to see.
I'm very like in dream to know what her what her take will be if she has one.
She also might just kind of be like, you know, that was great.
Like Jesse and Forky and all my friends were in a movie and I had a great time.
I think that's always been the magic of these movies though, is that they move fast enough
and they're bright enough.
And there is the sort of cheat code they have of, oh, you can like explore existential
themes because your movie stars a cowboy, a spaceman, and a dinosaur.
And they're fun.
Like visually, you know, but I do think it's why she likes three lilies because three
is the kind of the slowest and kind of the most about like the experience of grown-ups.
So it's a little, it's a little, it's her least favorite she never asked for.
It's my least favorite.
I guess I would, I think I do put this above three.
Wow.
Wow.
I'm like, I'm working on it in real time.
I've certainly, I've only seen this movie twice.
And it's been a mad rough to see it twice.
Really?
Griffin seen this movie twice and it technically was released last night.
Yes.
And I'm only holding two more sets of tickets.
I also saw it twice.
Yeah, I'm sorry with with Griffin to both screenings.
Yes.
You sure did?
You're saying this like you're admitting it to the police.
Let's be clear.
We want that out of the theater of the previous screening.
And you said, is there a way to see that again before we record?
Because I would like to.
You do say that screening because our screening was, you know, we're recording this.
We could go.
I remember when we was coming out.
Really enjoyed it.
And I really connected with the message of talking about technology.
Yeah.
Totally.
In our contemporary society.
I know.
But what does it make a torture about how podcasts are bad?
And we're fucked.
The toys are very sick.
Is like Bonnie's listening to too much podcast.
Toy Story 6 should be the toys start doing a podcast and pretend they're humans.
Right.
And then but they say they have to like hide their identities and then hire actors to
play.
And then people are like trying to push them to pivot to video.
And they're like, oh my god, Griffin, I love this.
Yes.
Because it's building up what we established in Toy Story 5, which is now the toys can communicate
for us at.
I don't think you learn Ellen's name until the camera one.
There's no readout.
There's no like moment where you like see a screen being like Dallas Ripley.
You know what I mean?
So like I think they came up with that later.
The other characters all have first names.
They have later given first names, but like they're credited just as in the uncrossed
Dallas Ripley Lambert Brett Kane, Ash Parker.
You're looking at the uncredits for that.
And like, and like it kind of makes sense because of course famously Ripley was sort of written
without a gender.
Yes.
And so maybe they didn't think about it.
I think most of the characters were sort of that was the idea and no gendered and erased
or whatever.
And then like obviously in Cameron's film, he's like, no, she's mother.
Yes.
You know, we're going to get into all of this.
And she has a first name.
But even in the aliens, I mean, how many times does she say like, I'm Ellen?
Like does she say that to Newt?
Like I think she says I'm Ripley.
Every time the DJ drops a track and she does a little dance to welcome her next guest.
Of course.
I'm Ellen.
Okay.
Before we lose this thread, Ellen Centric series, when you think about all the doors, I
wonder.
Yes.
Go ahead.
You're discussing how your daughter is going to react.
I wonder.
And I'm wondering just like with her and kids overall, how is the screen time of it all
to connect with kids?
Like what is your daughter's relationship to tech?
She watches TV on an iPad and she knows that we often are like, that's enough TV on the
iPad.
And she doesn't say that is her only relationship.
She doesn't do anything else on the iPad.
Yeah.
She doesn't even really know how to use the iPad.
Like I know that that happens at a certain point that they kind of like start to be like,
oh, I get that if I, you know, scroll over to this and press this like a read politic.
The most she can use, but she loves propolis.
And I'm just like, no, like, you know, you can't read that stuff like daily wire.
That's where you're going to get your new hair and like, use max.
Right.
No, she doesn't even know.
She knows that if she knows how to press a button to make the next episode play, that's
the most she's learned so far.
Yeah.
You know, when frickin' Peppa Pig has, you know, been spooling up.
What is the angle on Peppa?
Why is that stuck around?
I don't see the appeal.
I don't either.
Yeah.
I'm not a fan.
I don't like Peppa.
Oh, Peppa herself.
Yeah, she seems like a nice girl.
She's a bit naughty.
Oh, okay.
No change.
Interesting.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I get it now.
It's just one of those things that Peppa Pig were just like, what do you like?
And I'm like making eggs in the, you know, for everyone in the street.
I'm just like, I like mounting in money bottles.
I'm like saying it to myself.
I'm like, it's all she fucking says.
She says it every time she does.
It's like her catchphrase.
It's like, I'm Peppa Pig and I like jumping in muddy puddles.
Yeah.
I just really respect that they're, that the animation style for Peppa Pig is so crude.
Yeah, it sure is.
It's an interesting design.
It's interesting.
It's got to be getting more, more like uncanny valley shit.
Like, well, yeah, that right.
I don't, I don't truck with the right, the weirdly like low-stake CGI human people.
That sucks.
Well, my friend Spike often refers to as a cartoon shows that look like shampoo bottles.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, just human slop.
Whatever you want to hear.
Like, Peppa Pig, yes, I'm like, this is artfully made in its way and it's got it's
bit.
And I find it a little grating, but I'm not like, this is evil like Coco Melano or
whatever.
Yeah, they're British from what, what kind of region?
What's their accent?
This is just sort of living the countryside.
Okay.
I also just find the dad kind of annoying.
I don't like that.
He's kind of a buffoon.
I don't like that he has the hair.
I don't like the hairs either.
He needs to change.
It makes sense because he's a pig on his chin and chin and chin.
Exactly.
He's got the kind of like, like, spikey hair.
Yeah, I don't like it.
Yeah, Ben likes it.
I'm, you know, I'm so, you know, I'm a blueie loyalist and blueie is just so much better
than Peppa, but Peppa is fine, you know.
She's fine.
I like Peppa.
Like, I mean, I don't like Gabby like, I don't like the Washington.
Gabby isn't like Gabby's dollhouse.
Yeah, but I mean, like, my daughter likes Gabby and I'm like,
Gabby's fine.
She's all right.
Yeah, exactly.
And then when you look at a little loud, when you leave the room, Gabby's like, listen,
they're out to get us the great replacement theory.
I guess that wouldn't make sense for Gabby.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It terrifies me as like, same.
I'm like, do I become Tab Kazinsky?
At the minute I have children.
Why not just moderate?
Why must you be Tab Kazinsky all of a sudden?
Well, I mean, as a parent, I really am interested.
It's not that hard.
It's not hard now because she can't read.
Well, she's gotten there, but yeah, sure.
But what's it going to get harder when she's like, you just want to have the tablets?
But the way that Bonnie is.
Yeah, the problem is, it's not so upset by the group chat.
Yeah.
It really, it really, they'll effect it be.
Yeah.
It may feel like so much empathy, especially for younger generations.
Oh, and that this is just from day one, they're growing up with feeling with all of this
shit.
Cyber bullying.
I will say just to provide the more measured take as the only parent in the room, I think
that the worst of it kind of already happened when there were parents who had no experience
of their own with.
I think you're right.
And we're kind of just letting kids, because it's like, oh, your friends have a cell phone
you can have one too.
And now there's a lot more awareness.
And like my parent generation is a lot more kind of like those things are like cigarettes.
Like, you know, we're going to keep away as long as possible.
You should do it.
You should.
Not a dick.
You can't get up anytime.
Doctors recommend.
Right.
And like there's just a lot more hyper awareness about that.
Your kid, you know, obviously, this movie depicts essentially like very low stakes, but mean
bullying, right?
And like your kid will experience social stuff at school anyway, that sucks.
But yeah, obviously nobody should be socially networked.
I shouldn't be none of us.
No, I'm not sure barely.
But you see how they behave.
If this movie had been made 10 years ago with this subject matter, it would have been
a nightmare.
And this is the right point to make it because of what you're saying, where we are in the
cultural bell curve.
And it's sort of in this like we've all now kind of engaged with the worst of what this
can be.
It's also not going anywhere.
I always say this to like my friends who I made on Twitter, including this loser.
This is true.
The podcast wouldn't exist.
Like I'm like, I'm like in the future going to say to my daughter like, oh yeah, you
know, I made all these friends on Twitter and she'll be like, the website that's illegal,
the elected Donald Trump.
That's like in history, books is like, you know, a low point in society.
Yeah.
But you know, sometimes like there'd be good memes.
Yeah.
There's a lot of funny stuff on that.
Drill was there.
Drill, yeah.
You don't even know about horsey books.
Oh my god.
Horsey books.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
And it'll be like, you know, when our parents were like, oh yeah, back in the day, you would
just leave the house at the age of five with a guy.
Right.
You just get on your horse and ride into the woods and the parents assume they'd see
you later.
You do a quick stand by me.
You learn something from it.
What was everyone's screen names?
I was a brother fallout.
I still have been a lot of things.
Oh yeah, you're that's too far on.
Yeah, brother fallout.
That's me.
But when I was really young, my first, my hotmail address was King Daza 2000.
Yeah, very good.
This is what I'm talking about.
King Daza 2000.
That's they let a 13 year old pick his own email.
Yeah.
Right.
I'm going to get a picture on episode, but after the release of a bug's life, I was briefly
flick lover 98.
That's a little preview for free.
And the full discussion can be found on Patreon.
And you know, I was like, yes, please subscribe.
Please subscribe.
But then I very quickly pivoted to I am a fool.
Are you one, too?
Oh, yes.
What's that?
Is that a song there?
Or something?
It was a bit from a, I think, mad magazine had like a counterfeit money drawing and that
was the serial number on it.
And I thought it was really funny.
I am a fool spelled out.
And then letter R letter U number one number two, which when I got older, red as I am
a fool are you 12.
And then of course, in high school, I changed it to fly Brewster fly.
Yeah, right.
That's it.
That's it.
Which was my original Twitter Twitter, Twitter handle.
David's opening five with me.
He loudest bag.
Yeah, I need some.
I need some pop a job.
I'm sure they're in.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I did some social videos after this.
What are they?
What are you doing?
Keto bite.
Keto bites.
You know, thank you.
Papa John says three promotional pizzas right now and I will read them.
Space Ranger Roni.
An intergalactic pizza mission awaits this out of this world personal pizza.
That's what makes it intergalactic.
Yeah, that's out of this world has double pepperoni cheese and pizza sauce on original
crust serve with root and tuton ranch.
So the pizza itself sounds pretty normal other than of course that hyper special root
and two.
Okay.
Okay.
Then we got reached for the pie.
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Not bad at all.
This ain't just any personal pizza.
It's got Italian sausage, banana peppers, cheese and pizza sauce served with.
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And then the third pie is Sheriff's Roundup.
This personal pizza's got grilled chicken, onions, cheese, and barbecue sauce on original
crust.
And interestingly enough, it comes with a side of, let me check my notes here, root and
Tutan Ranch only in the US and candidates replaced with special garbage.
You guys sit Frank Stallone.
Can you guess that route in Tutan Ranch be my new you guessed it Frank Stallone with any
cast list?
That's good.
I'll have the one with the banana peppers please.
We're getting all three.
Okay great.
No, we're going to get them all.
I'm just trying to figure out how to order.
Okay.
So sorry, just to go back to this, my screen, I had several screen names.
One of them was Cloves, Lover, Thirteen.
Cloves?
Cloves like one wears on one spot.
Yeah, because I was in a fashion.
And then punky monkey, oh, I know, stuck around for a while.
That was like when I got into Green Day.
And it was a combination of Green Day and God, what was the name of the whole Frank?
Whole Frank.
That's the most curious the monkey.
The monkey.
Yeah, wasn't same Julius?
Yeah, but I just was, I had all of that fucking shit.
This makes sense.
This checks out.
Yeah.
So it was a combination, combining my two interests and Ben Hossley.
I had briefly cyber-bend 85.
That's great.
That's great.
That's great.
That's great.
Straight down the middle.
Do you remember?
The whole thing.
The whole thing.
The whole thing.
The whole thing.
The whole thing.
The whole thing.
The whole thing.
The whole thing.
The whole thing.
The whole thing.
The whole thing.
Packers.
Packers, lawnmower, man.
lawnmower, man.
You know, do we put antitrust in there?
You want?
Never seen that one.
For chewacity.
I'm starting our order.
You're putting it through.
Yeah, through.
I'm doing the order because I have an account.
Just tell me what you're getting though, because how many are we getting here?
I'm getting three pies, right?
No, I get four.
You get four?
Yeah.
So people in this person.
They're personal.
There's a toy storey five, create your own personal.
Oh, interesting.
Yeah, let's, right now.
Can we get the root and tutin' ranch though?
Oh, we can.
Okay, thank God.
Listeners are gonna love this.
I'm sorry.
I haven't, I haven't had Papa Johnson.
God knows how long.
You can get Alfredo sauce on the side of your pizza.
It smells just like.
What kind of fucked up individual is like, you know what?
This thing that has cheese in it really needs a little bit more of.
What kind of fucked up individual?
His name is Papa John Schlautter.
We know he's one of us fucked up metal eyes.
He is a, a squid.
A squid pizza.
No, you don't grab flesh.
Get two of the space ranger ronies.
Okay.
Because that one's the most appealing to me anyway.
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Okay.
So maybe we should try and guide us back to talking about the movie and like the tech of
it all.
Like how did the message hit with you guys?
It's portraying like looking at a screen as their sector saw by mess.
So Toy Story 4 is very successful.
Very successful.
I feel like not quite the barn born burner they wanted it.
We've talked about that a lot.
It made basically the exact same amount of money as three.
Yeah, right.
But there had been this big show.
And it had been a long time since three, obviously.
In between three and four, Finding Dory comes out has a huge growth from Finding Emo.
Incredibles 2 comes out, has a huge growth.
It made a good 250 mil less than Incredibles 2.
And it was like isn't Toy Story the number one franchise?
That was the thing.
It was like does Toy Story actually have a ceiling and three established it?
And now it's sort of flat here.
But these characters endure, they want to make another money.
They make money.
Right.
Andrew Stan has said basically that he, they went to him and said do you have any ideas
for five?
And he said let me sit in a room and see if I can come up with something.
And if something actually excites me, I might noodle with it.
And he was like, I wasn't gunning to make a fifth Toy Story movie.
But I didn't like the idea of anyone else doing it.
And he said I sat down and the two things I thought of immediately were how do they react
to tech and what if there was an island of 50 buzz layers?
He had that idea immediately.
And this is the thing he's always said, which is, and this is why I'm saying like not
that I'm taking away John Lassler's credit as a director on the first two movies, but
that he has been the main screenwriter of all but three.
One is the guy who writes the text of these characters.
And most of the big ideas tend to trace back to Stan including forky, our greatest friend
right who Marie has constructed and placed on her desk.
Yeah.
So David's wife is sitting on my desk right now.
She is very, very quietly and respectfully.
And so he, he built from there.
And then once he had written the script, he was like, this is what I find interesting.
If you guys want to make this, I'd happily direct this.
If this is too weird for you, totally understand.
He goes ahead and makes it.
He appoints Kenna Harris to be his co-director, which we've talked about as kind of an apprentice
position, but really tried to elevate them on this film and say.
And they have a co-writing credit on it.
Correct.
And said that he felt like I don't want to just be like a dude in his 50s or 60s, like
steam rolling this franchise.
I need to get like a younger voice in here.
I need someone who grew up with these movies and now works at Pixar and sort of talked
about it as a Woody Jesse dynamic.
And the two of them have said that when they started writing it, they were much more
kind of binary of, well, tech is bad and the movie is about them defeating tech.
And they said they kept getting to like the halfway point of the script and realizing,
Lily Padd's a really uninteresting character.
If all of what drives her is get rid of the fucking toys.
And so they had the hook of, well, what is what drives Lily Padd?
She thinks that she's actually better for Bonnie than the toys are.
She thinks they're outmoded, but she's still serving the same function, which is to help
her connect.
It would be different if she was actively like, I want to ruin a kid's life.
You would kind of be like, this doesn't, that kind of breaks the sort of universe because
like toys are always ostensibly there to serve the child.
They know that that's their sort of deep purpose or whatever.
I think it was more that she's so against the toys that she doesn't even notice that
she's harming Bonnie was the kind of thing.
If that ran throughout the entire movie, they found it dramatically flat.
Of course.
And I was, as the movie was starting up, I was kind of a boy.
Totally.
Just them fighting a thing because then it's just right.
That was my greatest concern from the trailers.
And I heard them say that in an interview and I felt a little relieved.
And I do think that's the smartest thing the movie does is like, you're not beating tech.
It's here to stay.
Yes.
There would be good that can come from it.
Right.
I would say as a parent, I've already encountered people who are trying to like keep
their kid from ever looking at a screen impossible.
And it's just sort of like, well, that's silly.
And in my opinion, I'm not, you know, I know people very, very, touchy about parenting.
But like every school has like a smart board.
My wife's a teacher.
She uses a smart board.
Smart boards are screens.
This is like a smart blackboard, basically.
Exactly.
It's like, you know, it's become the default in a school.
It's just like, you know, they can put lots of things on it.
They can put, you know, just stuff.
They've written on it.
They're also show you a video once in a while or whatever.
And I'm like, we all watched videos in class.
Like this is not, this is just to the real thing.
Yeah, this is a streamlined way of a thing that's always existed.
But there are some parents who are so worried about screens that I, you know, they're just
like, well, I really don't want my kid to really ever look at a screen.
And it's kind of like, well, that's ridiculous.
We live in a society that, yes.
And I was happy this movie, right, did not just charge at this as like, well, tech's
evil and kids should never like, yeah, you know, like, and like, it's a, right, it's
a war we're going to fight.
There's absolutely balance.
But I, as an adult, will say that I've not been participating in social media.
I know you were going to.
I don't know when I hit that point.
As we often would say, maybe the only person who knew how to do social media.
I would just check in from time to time.
But at this point, I just, yeah, I'm really off it.
It just makes me feel bad.
It is really funny that your Twitter profile picture is still a picture of your peer
steer.
That is, see this more sad.
I'm going to be keep on good at it.
And I also feel like too with just like the texting of it all and how that's become so
much more prevalent in our lives.
Yeah.
I struggle with it.
Yes.
I really do.
I do as well.
I find that it overwhelming.
And I find that lately I've been really struggling to even just keep up with it.
I like kind of just can't deal with this.
See, I enjoy texting because it's social.
So it kind of like it feeds my extrovert energy of like I like to have social contact.
I enjoy texting just fine.
I mostly use it to bully eight year olds, obviously.
So I see the movie resonated for me in that record.
If it's on the pond all the time, he's playing what's it called?
Frog Russia.
I can't say I remember.
Turtle Russia maybe.
Yeah.
Turtle.
So it was a tag or something.
There's something with Turtle.
Turtle Tag maybe.
Yeah.
You know, it's what they call frictionlessness, right?
Like it is bad.
Anything that's frictionless is increasingly just like this is a big thing in gambling, right?
It's like, it's different if you go to a place, you gamble some money like it's not like
we're not saying like that's that can be harmful and that can make people crazy.
But like if you can just kind of like bet a thousand dollars by going like, boop, like
it's a little too easy.
There's no friction.
And then suddenly you can get yourself very hooked very quickly by a colleague, Mike K.
He's got the thing that happens, you know, the Atlantic who is Mormon and thus banned
from gambling.
But a whole article about how basically the Atlantic were like, what if we steak do 10 grand
to see what happens if you start gambling on your phone?
Like just to explore like this new thing and he got fucking addicted.
Like, he's fine.
But like he writes about like, yeah, man, like very quickly, like I was like going to the
bathroom to check my phone to like, you know, like look at the day.
It's a serotonin hit.
Of course.
And it's too easy, too easy.
It doesn't feel real.
Obviously, right.
So especially with your kids, you worry about, you know, exposing it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think this movie has kind of the right balance of those things.
And I think a problem that the Toy Story franchise is always fighting against is that two,
which I like as much as any movie I've ever made, is reaches such a satisfying dramatic
point, which is Woody and Buzz have come to an understanding of their own inevitability.
Yes.
It's why three irritates me.
Yeah.
Two, and five, I think you will agree.
Basically has the same ending as two.
It's Jesse having the realization or whatever, but it's the same thing with the like, right.
I'm a toy.
Yeah.
Yes, your kid will grow up.
It's about the journey.
You know, that we all have to accept that and we're going to have a great time while
we're being played with.
And like that's what it's all about, baby.
And then of course three just makes the huge mistake of being like, in my opinion, the
huge mistake of being like, well, so much time has passed.
We should explore what happens when Andy is older and has to give away the toys.
And I'm like, I don't know or you could do what five does, where it's just like, I
don't know, and Bonnie's still a kid who cares.
Well, three, I think the thing I bump on in three is that it feels like, A, it's just
kind of taking subtext from the first movie, it first two movies and making a text.
And B, it is a lot of it's a double beat of one and two.
It's stuff that the characters have like come to understand, but now they're facing it.
And it's less interesting because they've already expressed their understanding of what's
coming for them.
And I know they've always said about three words like, well, but it's different to say
you understand what's happening and then to actually live through it.
They say in three, right?
That's like, that's like the line, right?
Right.
It's different in this and what I liked about it and I thought was a good distinction
is, Jesse's kind of crisis is, does it even matter?
It's not like, is it coming to an end because she has this thing of like, I've been through
two kids already.
I know that this ends.
What I'm questioning now is, it's less about, are we going to be thrown away and does
that make me feel useless?
It's more about whatever they sort of serve as an idea.
And this gets into the sort of stretchiness of the toy story metaphor of like, how are
toys supposed to help a kid?
She's like, are we oblivious and is this kid suffering?
And am I going to be forgotten?
And there's just like no impact.
And I think to a certain degree, I was saying to Ben, I think, you know, the toy story movies
change what they map onto.
What I like about toy stories is that they're always 50% literally just about what if you
were a toy.
I think exploring the internal logic of that and the comedic and the dramatic possibilities.
And then the other 50% and Jane Nicholson did a great video about this when toy story
four came out is they don't all ascribe to the same kind of map metaphor.
One is sort of about being a child, two is sort of about being a parent.
I think three is more about religion, four is about retirement.
I'm lost.
Three is about religion?
Well, I think it's about like the idea of reckoning with a god who is abandoned you,
but it's also about reincarnation and new ownership.
I thought it was a lot so it's like a cult.
Sure.
Okay.
I thought it was like a week.
It'd be cool if we did like a prison escape movie with toys.
But you know, that's the best stuff in the movie.
My problem with Pixar as I say in my review, it's not just toy stories inside out.
It's inside out in Toy Story, the biggest culprits.
There's other ones that I can do.
Is there like, well, this inanimate thing is alive and you should feel guilty that you're
killing them by ignoring them.
And like it's something I struggle with very much in the Toy Story movies.
And it's why I don't like the Jesse plot in two where she's like, I was abandoned by
my owner and I'm like, no, your owner grew up like a normal person and stopped using toys.
And Jesse's like, I was killed.
That can still traumatize.
I'm traumatized.
She's saying she's killed.
There's a difference between saying I'm traumatized because that hurt me and saying I was killed.
She's not killed.
The movie presented is a traumatic horrible thing that happens to her when toys leave her
like dresser and she has normal things teenage girls have clothes and makeup and things.
And the movie just I have always I ran to about this on the page.
It irks me.
It really drives me crazy.
I think we're just hearing a lot of guilt you have.
I don't have any unprocessed guilt.
I mean, what a guilty man.
Obviously, the most audacious thing the average was inside out where they're like, when you
forget about an imaginary friend you had when you were a kid, that's murder.
He's dead.
He's just like, I'm sorry.
I didn't realize he had feelings.
I have the exact opposite read of these things, which is I think they're about the sort
of existential dread of being in a universe that doesn't consider that you have consciousness.
And so these things are not being done to you in a way that is hurtful.
These things are being done to you out of like obliviousness.
But it's not real.
I think there's, I know these aren't real.
It's a dramatic, there's a nice sentimentality.
There should be.
There should be.
Well, it should be.
Right.
But then like Jesse's like, I can't do it.
You know, like we're in here like, right, she's like a whole person.
And that's why I like for because it's kind of about like, should we reckon with that these
are conscious beings?
Yeah.
But that's, I assume also why fans got mad at it where it's like, well, now we're just
sort of breaking the convention because it's like, what now would he can just kind of
live where he wants?
But that's the distinction to me.
Even a toy?
I feel like what you're describing falls a little more into velveteen rabbit territory,
which is like, right, right, right, the ultimate original real trait.
Right.
Like you're just teaching your child like, right, when you stop loving your toy, like
it's sad.
You literally killed him.
He's thrown on the fire because you infected him with your human sickness, right?
Like that's, that's what that is.
I'll never read my good that fucking evil book.
I'll say, yeah, bud.
What I've always loved about toy story is, right, there, that's, that's the metaphorical
element where you're sort of discussing, right, and how it relates to like the human
condition.
And then the other 50% of it is quietly this sort of bizarre sci-fi premise, which I like.
Why are they alive?
What is it?
What's the outer boundary?
Are they?
Immortal?
Like, they don't need food or air.
No.
But they can be destroyed.
Yes.
Like, and then they're dead.
Right.
I guess they're destroyed.
I think it's, and also if you put them in a box, they're sort of like, they're
not quite dead, but they seem to basically kind of, there's also the forky of it all,
where, and then forky of the greatest character of all, if you are played with.
Like, he's made by a child and he is the child's plaything.
So thus, he is cursed with consciousness.
Right.
Like, you know, and, you know, I love forky.
So he's like, I reject consciousness.
I wish to be trash.
I'm trash.
Right.
Trash is warm, trash is safe.
I'm wearing, I'm wearing a forky t-shirt that says love is trash, which is, of course,
against the message of this movie, which is forky is happily married, although, of course,
there are struggles in a relationship.
There are, although, like, to forky trash is good.
So maybe love is trash is a positive message for him.
You know what?
You're right.
That's a very positive read on my T-shirt.
Right, like, he likes trash.
Yeah, he's protract, he is trash.
He's made of trash.
He's made of trash, he's protract, his wife is trash.
I have a question for you, Griffin, because,
Please, just wait for me again.
Karen Beverly, duh.
This is the great bit, is that forky is, of course, a spork.
Yes.
They made him, they designed him, they showed him to the
child of a Pixar employee and they said, what would you name this character?
And the child said forky.
And they went, it's funnier that the kid gets the utensil wrong, right?
Of course.
And then they similarly designed Karen Beverly and they went, this kid's going to name
her Nifey.
And they said, what's her name?
And the kid said Karen Beverly.
Pretty fun.
So that's why that is the line of a kid.
Go with the logic of what an actual kid would do, don't explain it.
Absolutely.
Forky, so you had, like, a list of topics you want to do address on this episode.
One of which was forky status as a gay icon was in this business.
Forky has become a queer icon.
There's a lot of, there's a lot of forky pride stuff.
These, that's so, which I've been fascinated by.
You're sure that says love is trash has a big rainbow on it.
So he's got a rainbow on his foot.
Oh, you're right.
There's a rainbow sticker on his foot.
That's why forky.
This is what I'm trying to figure out because LGBTQ fork icon, there is so much forky pride
merch.
And it's not just forky with a rainbow on its foot.
It's like forky holding a pride flag.
This is what I'm trying to figure out because it's like it's just the boba duke where
they were just kind of like, I don't know, we just decided.
He's our claim him.
He's speaking to the culture in some way and speaking of cultures and respectful relationships
to cultures through the toy store franchise.
Yes.
Marie, of course, on her trip to Japan got for me one of my grails.
Samurai Woody the cowboy, which has been house on his desk.
You've been added to.
And we're going to pull the string, which I promise them is not offensive.
Yeah.
Okay.
He said something in Japanese.
He did.
Do we know that is he saying like, well, that's not a samurai effect.
I was.
I'm sort of out of breath on that one.
That's very Tom Hanks.
Is he saying the classic Woody phrases or is he saying something completely different?
I guess that's my question.
I don't know.
Richard the sky.
Samurai sword.
Right.
I don't know if anyone, if anyone, if anyone listeners, like is he saying there's a snake
in my boot.
What I should I should record these and send them to wiger and get him to translate.
And wiger speak Japanese.
He's a Japanese job.
We found this out recently.
Wait, what?
When wiger went to Japan, he's like, of course, I'm bilingual.
For him?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're my favorite deputy.
Hey, buddy, it's wiger.
Thanks to Griffin for the shout out.
I don't want to overstate my proficiency with the Japanese language, but I have been learning
and I, a big part of that has been my studies with my tutor.
So because my tutor is also a professional translator, I figured we just throw her into
the mix and see if she can help us puzzle these out.
Konichiwa Tanaka Sensei.
Konichiwa.
So are you familiar with the Toy Story franchise?
Oh, yeah, I see this.
Yes.
Did you see Toy Story 5, the most recent entry?
No, yeah.
You, of course, know Woody, the cowboy, the protagonist of this series.
Yes.
There is a samurai Woody toy and it has some lines of dialogue.
And so I'm going to play these for you one at a time.
Okay.
And then if you can just talk them through what your translation might be.
Okay.
So here we go.
He said,
Choto mata, oi, yamero, choto is little.
Mata, wait.
Yamero, stop it.
So he say, wait a little stop.
Got it.
Yes.
Would you have any idea with the content?
Is that a common Japanese phrase you might say?
I wouldn't say because it's masculine.
Yamero, when do I say that?
Can you stop if somebody was, I don't know, play my hair or something?
I don't know.
Oh, so I wonder if what's happening is that's Woody the doll kind of being like, hey,
stop pulling my string.
Something.
Do you think it's maybe, okay, so that's a little bit of a fourth wall breaky there.
And directly addressing the person playing with the doll as if they are the toy.
Maybe.
Okay.
All right.
Next up, let's listen to this one.
And again, it's the samurai Woody.
So we have that little sword clash at the end.
Yes.
He said,
So this is like, this is like, bullseye run like the wind is like, that's like his, he's,
he's right like the wind.
I guess his way is what they would do it say in English.
Yes.
So this is like the thing he would say to his horse.
And this is a Woody catch phrase.
You know the horse bullseye.
He's in, he's a, he appears in the second one when Woody has a bunch of addition.
Right.
Ah, I see.
That's unnecessary context, but there you go.
Okay.
All right, let's see, let's see what this third one is.
Okay, what is being said there?
Okay, so again, scolding the person, pulling his string.
He's telling somebody to stop something, whatever they are doing.
There again, it's directly addressing the kid, which you would not do unless you were trying to scare them.
Um, yummy. If you're samurai, I don't know. Yeah, that sounds...
The point is it doesn't feel samurai-specific, right?
Yeah, it doesn't have a samurai spirit in it.
Okay, all right. We got one more.
He said you beat me.
He said you beat me.
Uh, he said you beat me.
You used a dirty hand.
So he did it.
You used a dirty hand? Wait, does it mean a literal dirty hand?
Like the child is selfie?
No, like a...
You know when you compete, you do a right?
And sometimes they cheat.
Uh-oh, okay.
It's like whoever was doing something to Udi was using like a cheating.
Like a dirty trick.
Yeah.
My, my, my, my saying English got a good...
Yeah, this is a kid story though.
This is a child's toy.
I mean, perhaps the samurai-faming is meant to age it up a little bit, but I don't know.
It, it seems, it seems like only one of these is at all specific to Udi as we know him,
which is his ride like the wind line.
Wait, Toy Story 5 was shot in Japan?
No, it's, there's not really a Japanese connection.
It's just, this toy just happens to exist.
Oh, got it.
Well, I go, thank you so much.
Uh, before we, uh, before we go, I, I, I did want to add.
This is a movie podcast.
Um, and you are, in addition to being a, a translator and an excellent teacher,
you are an actor and a comedian.
And in fact, you played one of the cowgirls at the starting line in the film,
the fast and the furious Tokyo drift.
Yes.
Your line was seto, is it?
Yeah, so, uh, we supposed to start the race.
Yeah.
Somebody else says, my friend Kyla says, very, I says, seto, another person said, go,
because as you know, in Japanese, it's seto.
We have to announce it about, but people are complaining.
They're like, she's saying set, go, she's saying it wrong.
I'm like, I don't think Universal Studio would publish the movie with my, you know,
right?
Yeah, but I lost the voice.
I don't think my voice was, I think they might have done a D.R.
Got it.
Because I lost the voice because so much.
Fume and gas.
Do you have any, any, any specific story you remember from your time?
Uh, because you have a, you're, you have a couple of scenes.
One of them is with Vin Diesel.
I'm not sure if he was actually there.
I was with, um, uh, this, uh, rapper actor, little bow.
Wow.
Yes, yeah.
And he's my size, but he was so popular.
Like all these women were around him.
So I was really shocked by that.
Like a short king.
He's a short king and he was just so popular.
So shocked.
Like toy story, a franchise that will be around for a long time.
Uh, I go, thank you so much.
Uh, uh, how do you get it?
I'm sorry.
Uh, uh, uh, I guess I'm sorry.
Uh, there you go.
Not really very illuminating clips don't seem to be in character for Woody and frankly,
don't make a lot of sense.
I seem to mostly be scolding children for playing with a toy, um, improperly.
Um, anyway, my review of toy story five, uh, Bonnie's mom thicker than a hand spun milkshake.
Bye, buddy.
There's a snake in my boot.
It's many mysteries to that man.
The greatest man there ever was.
Yeah.
Number one person tied with my grandchildren.
Sure.
Of course, let's not forget.
He's going to be Mike.
Mitch is going to be so angry about the three seconds where we said,
why go was number one?
Luckily, he never.
Does Mike does.
Does.
Does.
I know.
Any other languages besides English.
Uh, Boston.
Boston.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I couldn't think of a better job.
Yeah.
Okay.
So this movie, the plot, what are the, it opens.
I love the opening of this film.
It opens with, uh, uh, desert island.
Yeah.
That's right.
Forget about that.
First person POV inside the bus like your helmet.
Cargo.
Uh, right.
Okay.
You, you scan the wreckage.
You hear the breathing.
It's similar to buzzes awakening in the first toy story.
Right.
But then you see, right, like a cargo ship that's turned over.
The beach is littered with buzz light years and they all start to turn on and activate.
And these are the new high tech buzzes.
Right.
These are Wi-Fi enabled buzzes that look very much like the original buzz but have kind of a
kind of a game job.
And they've got a device in their chest.
They're simple glows.
Yeah.
They're in the little screen.
They have everything's got the internet kind of screen.
And they function as like, I don't know, they are lesion.
They are like a hive mind.
They have a high.
A horrible situation.
And you just have this thing of all of them like waking up and waking each other up like very
lost post crash.
Like, are you okay?
They don't really have language yet.
No, they don't speak.
It cuts to them at night.
Like, this is already a surprising cut to just be like, where are we in this?
How much of this were you prepared for?
Because I assume you've been, you've been scanning the lead with rumors.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I believe they screened this opening at Cinemacon last year.
Like they had this done.
Sure.
And so a year ago, there were some stories that were people like the opening of Toy Story
5 is really bizarre.
Right.
I'm curious to see what this movie is now because I was not expecting this.
It's an MMA fight.
Yeah.
And not MMA.
Sorry, wrestling.
It starts with an AW wrestler tricking.
Yeah.
I want to say someone in the reddit because I made-
I'm like, I'm just watching Ben fix, Samurai Woody.
Yeah.
Marie Cawdby.
He's like, he's trying to make sure he's really okay.
He's really really looking at him.
Like he's a little person.
And I'm like, you know what?
Ben's glowing.
Sweetie.
Look at that.
What was the thing I was going to say?
Oh, people were calling out that I said AEW instead of WWE in the disclosure day episode.
Sure.
And they were like calling it up positively.
No, just that I used a different specific that I didn't go for the most obvious wrestling
league.
Yeah.
And they said, like, how funny would it be if Griffin got really into wrestling and went
to the AEW all or nothing?
I want people to know.
You went?
I fucking went.
You went with the singer, right?
I went with Matt Singer, Brendan McDonald, Friends at the show.
They took me to my first ever wrestling event.
It was really fun.
And I sat next to a blankie who bought me drinks in a t-shirt.
I just want people to know.
Well, I had a great fucking time and I like orange Cassidy.
Is this going to be your sport now?
I feel like you've always had a little closer to the theater.
It's a closer to the theater.
It is.
Right.
And that's why.
It's sketch comedy.
Let's call it what it is.
Athletics, sketch comedy.
It's very athletic.
It's like it's a crazy stunts and you know orange Cassidy's bit is that he's a guy who's
sort of like too cool to wrestle.
So he shows up wearing a Canadian tuxedo in sunglasses.
His hands in his pockets and he does crazy moves refusing to take his hands out of his pockets
because he doesn't want to show any effort.
It's a pretty funny bit.
Buzz Lightyears all make a campsite.
They make a fire.
Then they look up at the night sky.
They see stars and they start remembering star command.
I think this is such a good bit that the movie finds a way to like exploit like seven
different ways across the run time.
I just feel like they could shout it out light ear more.
Yeah, it's an important movie.
It's part of the canon.
But David, these are the toys, not the man that the toys are based on.
I'm just waiting light ear too.
Do you know?
Do you know?
I have it on good authority that they had a trilogy planned.
Of course they did.
I mean, that makes sense.
I'm sure they thought it was going to be a big deal.
And the second movie we add the aliens.
Right.
It's like the big.
The clock.
Are the aliens not in this one?
The first time I saw it, I thought they were not in it at all.
And this time I look there in some of the group shots early, but they're like, even
when they go to the garage, they're not in the box.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They've had their time.
It's cool how the buzzes are able to climb up the crane by like climbing on a
Saturday.
Yeah.
I love seeing the action of these new buzzes.
I like that.
Yes.
They can sort of form like larger shapes and things.
I was a little afraid of them.
I think they're too powerful.
Yeah.
Sure.
Let's stop them.
Yeah.
I think we need to stop them.
I think they can be weaponized.
They're drones.
Well, I think the limitless, like you can't hurt.
You'll hurt yourself thinking about it.
These toys have access to the internet now.
They're sentient beings.
They seemingly can do all kinds of things online without a snowing.
Wait.
Did I get it commenting?
Well, this is the thing I actually discussed this with someone.
Yeah.
And I was like, it's something movie doesn't want to deal with and that's fine.
But I was like, if toys were talking to each other on the internet as they basically
do in this, that's actually creating a paper trail, which I feel like kind of violates
there.
We can't be seen being alive.
It's like at a certain point, the government might kind of be like, hey, like there's
like five other beings.
Just talking on these apps, like what is this?
But that's already started in three.
I mean, Trixi, the Kristen Shaw character does have a texting relationship with other
toys.
Yeah.
She's emailing at least.
Yeah.
Trixi, I feel is the most Marie like of all of the characters.
Absolutely.
She doesn't really, she has like a line in this maybe.
She's got a couple jokes.
She does.
Like Jeff Garland's character is silenced on surprise.
He is still dead.
He is still dead.
He is silenced for speaking the truth on how he wanted to hook people as well or whatever
it is he did.
He kept saying, ow, my vagina on set.
That was his joke.
Um, who do you relate to the most?
Uh, Rex.
No.
No, well in the early films, it was Jesse and then Forky.
I unsurprisingly really very hard.
My face when I learned Jeff Garland was not going to voice anyone into this movie.
What is it that you're showing?
The uncanny valley.
They made like a CGI Jeff Garland for like the finale of the Goldbergs because they'd
already fired him, but like they didn't want to like kill the dad off.
I think they did.
Am I wrong in thinking they did one season post his death, like post the character death.
I don't think but that was to finish off the season they already had shot.
I'm not even sure that he died though.
Did they just kind of like, you know, say like he's on vacation.
My memory is that they've not in.
Let me see.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, but he was used for a graduation episode in season nine.
Right.
And they had fired.
There was a season 10 where Wendy McClub and Kovie got like a big pay raise.
It deservedly so.
It's so funny because he became the only parent.
But now show us your impression.
You're about to go into it.
Yeah, Marie, can you take a picture of this?
Uh, no, he's not facing me.
You got to face me.
Um, basically he was so annoying and would just make hypersexual jokes all the time to
the cast and crew that for years, they built.
What are you getting?
It's funny.
For years, they did a thing where they basically would shoot him out of every episode in one
day, isolated from most other actors.
And then finally it got like that's too extreme, but they had a bunch of episodes that already
had been written with the assumption they'd get the one day out of him for the end of
that season.
So they finished it with weird CGI.
And I think they threw in some outtakes and some whatever, you know, like they did with
the patching together.
Um, he doesn't talk in this.
Uh, the potato heads have been recast.
They also only have a couple lines.
I think this is kind of smart.
And I heard Stanton and Harris talk about this where they were like, the cast has gotten
too big.
It's an embarrassment of riches.
Sure.
Anytime we cut to the Bonnie's room, we try to put them all in the same frame so you can
at least see everyone.
Yeah.
But like realistically, everyone's getting three lines in this movie outside of our main
cast.
Totally.
Who do you relate to or who do you feel like you are in this universe?
Uh, you are so neat.
You're so cute.
I'm fucking.
It is survivor.
Uh, Griff here at the Toy Story expert here.
Is there a, is there a David coded Toy Story character?
Uh, I'm not saying I'm not thinking too hard about sometimes that potato head.
I was going to say potato head.
I'm very fond.
I'm a married spot.
He's too grumpy.
I actually like potato head in the early movies.
I'm kind of like, can you fucking roll axles?
Well, he's always so young.
He's a roast.
He's sure he loves his wife.
He does.
He's got three children.
Yes.
The monkeys.
The monkeys are in his butt.
The monkeys are in his butt.
Uh, you're also a little bit of ham, I think.
Sure.
Ham know it all.
Ham in those early movies is also kind of just like kind of an ombudsman type.
Like he's always kind of in the mix and organizing and stuff.
I don't know.
Bradson burger was always of course the Pixar Good Luck charm.
He was in every film.
And then since Lasseter was outstead, he stopped doing them.
Sure.
I did notice that his billing is very low on this movie.
Does he have a line?
Ham says something.
He says a couple things.
And I was like, that's really similar to a joke from three or that's really similar
to joke from four.
I'm wondering if Don Rickles style they did just use outtakes for him on this one and pay
him.
Interesting.
And he wouldn't come in.
It's pure speculation on my part.
But I noticed that the the billing order of the end credits was not alphabetical and he
was all the way down at the bottom.
Yeah.
Well, he noticed.
He noticed some bluth over here.
Yes.
Did you make a post on the toy story right at about this?
No, I refused to engage with that place.
Good for you.
It's a place for heathens and maniacs.
I'm Duke Kaboom.
You are not Duke Kaboom.
You're not Duke Kaboom.
Why not?
Because Duke Kaboom is like a failure with an inflated ego, you know?
Yeah, but he's, you know, he's come low and he's come, I guess I'm not really good for
rules.
He's great character.
He's great character.
He's great character.
He's great character.
Okay.
I'm just trying to think your characters.
I'm the doll from four.
What's your name?
Dollies.
You are kind of guy, yeah.
You're a hangar girl.
You're a hangar girl.
She's kind of like lost in her, like, like, she's never been able to escape high school
even a way.
Yeah, like, she's just kind of watching the map top.
Yeah, love the math.
Like, one of us must, I beat the Phillies.
David's wearing that, I don't care about the Phillies.
Yeah.
Let's go, Matt.
Hey, just to finish this, uh, uh, loop, Timothy Dalton, not back as prickly, and
he's who gets a couple of pictures.
Oh, really?
I didn't notice that.
Was he not in for either?
I feel like he had to be part of the role already.
He was in for an in toy story of terror.
He, someone else voiced the character for Forky asked a question, and it's a different
guy who's doing it for this.
Right.
And I looked up this guy and I was like, what do I know this guy from?
And the answer is he played Jeffrey Epstein in the Netflix movie about the Prince Andrew
interview, which is when I watched that film, it's a non-speaking role.
I was like, this is the worst role you could ever have as an actor.
You are just physical double for Jeffrey Epstein in close-ups, non-speaking, walking through
central park with Prince Andrew.
Can I just read a great, um, great Ben Halsley tweet out?
Please.
I've just been scrolling through some of our finest.
This is from April 2021.
Uh-huh.
Vanity license plate that says Fang.
Oh, God.
He's so, he never misses.
We're so lucky to have him.
And he never misses.
Ben, can you talk about some of the things you liked about this movie?
Because I feel like you, you were surprised by how pro you were.
Great jokes.
I thought this was really funny.
The parents win Bonnie and Blazer finally connecting towards the end and the parents are
watching.
And when they start to come in, they're like, get out of here.
Like normal.
This is Ben's favorite moment.
He like, he did the Leo point at the screen last night when it happened.
Like it's your favorite part.
Well, we should know, I know that feeling a little bit when you're like, when I brought
my daughter over to someone's house for a play date and you are kind of doing the like,
it's like, we're introducing the fish to a new, you know, tank and we'll see if she
can thrive or you know, where you just they kind of just like run off to their room
and you're like, good, good, great, great, great, great.
Like they're doing it.
They're doing it.
Okay.
Yeah, your daughter does say I, my daughter does say I, my daughter says that too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Our daughters have that in common.
When we go to Bonnie's room, we open with the wedding being staged, I feel like, or
very quickly get to that.
Forking Karen Beverly or getting the trod, Bonnie's in a phase where she just wants to watch
marriages all the time.
You're reading another Ben tree.
So good.
I ate too many pasta and my app is small.
I don't know what that means.
What is March 13th, 2020?
So it's right before lockdown.
Maybe you're just kind of like, you know, exploring like what it felt like to kind of be
carb, maxing and not being able to go out.
My app is small apartment.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Feathers are bone hair, right?
That's a, that, that, that, that, that's just what's bouncing around that.
Not going to hit all the time.
What a brain.
Feathers are bone hair.
Bonnie's in the stage where she's really enjoying putting on fake weddings.
And so forking and Karen Beverly or getting married, which is the thing the movie treats
as if Bonnie gives you a wedding, then that counts.
It's legally binding, but also a prickle pants.
If he's officiating, it's legally binding because there was one playtime where he was
a haunted priest, I think, or a haunted reverberation.
He's ordained.
Right.
Yes.
Right.
And the, the, the sweet Bonnie vision to the, you know, it's very like it's like kind
of pastel.
I was going to hold in book style, which I really, I thought it was clever because like we
never gone into playtime vision in this kind of way.
No, because in, in two UC Andes, is it two or three?
No, it's three that begins with the train creation of, of play from prior toy stories.
Yes.
But it just looks like an epic movie.
It doesn't have like a style beyond the style we know.
And I would say that's, that's what we've done.
Like, if you go to play the bus video game and two is like, you know, it just looks like
toy story.
I think this is like a really, really cool visual choice.
And I like that it's always a murder mystery that they imply that there's always a who
poisoned blank to these wedding so accurate.
Yes.
To my playtime as a child.
Oh, I thought you were going to say to your wedding.
Well, no, but no one died.
But it was always like soap opera level.
Sure.
Like, people were having affairs.
There were weddings.
There were secret children.
This is a big thing about Bonnie.
There were murder.
The problem with Andy that gets exposed more and more as we're deeper into the Bonnie
verse is that Andy is incredibly non-specific.
Beyond just how creepy he looks as like an early CGI human.
He does look awful.
It is like the Pixar people all had children who weren't yet at this age.
Yeah, I mean, Andy likes cowboy because he like Woody.
So he wears a cowboy hat and then he like goes to the cowboy like buzz.
So he wear a helmet.
I'm going to read another Ben Tweet.
Okay.
Good.
November 2019.
I hope the Star Wars universe reveals the chocolate planet.
This is what's incredible.
They're all good.
Ben would just sit down and just spit out a thought like that.
And he would, you know, every few weeks like he would, you know, he would take his time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I always had the tone of imagining Ben just sitting in his study stroking his chin and then
going, huh?
And then sharing this misive with the world.
You know that like, Giff was like a guy with like a quill.
Yes.
And it like is on fire because he's not the right.
It's so fire.
I was like, everyone of Ben's tweets.
All of Ben's tweets feel like they were written in ink with a feather.
Yeah.
100%.
Or I'm sorry, a bone hair.
Right.
Right.
Right.
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Okay, so what's happening?
You have a forkie, is married.
You know, I love forkie so much, but you know, relegated to minor care.
It's good jokes.
It's a couple of times.
I have no offense at this.
I'm not defensive about it.
I think he gets good stuff to do.
Forking how to movie.
He had a movie, exactly.
And I think this movie very smartly is like, let's really lock in on four kind of main
characters and then our double-a game, which we'll get to.
The thing I was going to say is, this is another thing that feels like a nice little
correct of cleanup.
A thing I don't like in three is the subplot of buzz has spent 10 years trying to build
up the courage to hold Jesse's hand.
It's so infantilizing.
It is.
Well, they are toys and they're romance.
No, I don't.
I agree with you.
I don't like this.
I don't like my buzz being a bitch.
No, but buzz, this is sort of addressed in both three and four right buzzes, crush.
Like what, what are the other?
His crush develops at the end of two in three.
Yeah.
It is.
He has spent 10 years in a toy box with her not saying anything, just being awkward.
Right.
And at the end, he accidentally holds her hand and they look at each other.
Right.
And then they're like kind of together, but they don't get that much time.
Four really doesn't know what to do with Jesse.
Yeah.
Which is my biggest gripe with four.
Yeah.
And then this one, I like that it's like he's jealous that he hasn't gotten to do the
wedding with her.
They are clearly in a relationship and I have a work relationship as well.
Do you know, just think like the topic of romance in these movies between toys is just, it's
a naughty topic.
This is my other take that I shared with Ben is I think this is kind of like the romance
movie because I think what Jesse is working through in her like past owners and the
sphere of losing it is more of a breakup thing than it can I commit.
Can I?
Can I?
Yeah, sure.
It hurts so many times before.
It's that.
And it's also like if it ended badly, then did it mean anything in the first place?
That's what she's looking for.
That's what the tree moments about for me.
You know, it's like, can you have something that meant something that didn't last forever?
Did you name your child after an X?
No, that's an insane.
That seems like a bad idea.
Yeah, I agree.
That's where the metaphor gets stretchy.
I also will get to the tree moment, but there are some other angles I think you need to
consider there for why I think I buy it.
So Buzz is now her like right hand deputate.
Jesse is leading Bonnie's room.
Right.
She's got the chair.
She's a new Woody.
Yes.
Right.
Which is something Stanton said he wrote into four pointedly.
Yeah, it's four ends with that idea of Jesse giving Woody giving Jesse this star.
Not thinking that he was going to do five, but saying I think that is where the franchise
should go.
I think we've put so much story on Woody's shoulders.
The movies are ready to move over to someone else and Jesse's probably overdue to be the
center at one of these.
So very quickly, Bonnie's parents notice that she has no friends.
I mean, she says it to them.
She does.
Because she sees like neighborhood kids.
Why does no one want to play with me?
She just doesn't know how to talk to them.
She's so shy.
There are these twins next door and she's trying to build up the courage to play with them.
The movie does not address whatever is happening at school, which you know, it can't
because it would be like that's just too much to deal with.
But I guess the idea is that Bonnie is struggling to make friends.
She's shy.
You see that in four, too.
You see that the other kids at school are not particularly nice.
She makes four.
That's why she makes four.
Because she's a move.
Right.
But four is set on the first or even like a preliminary day of kindergarten.
So you don't really know what that's.
Right.
It was orientation.
Exactly.
Yeah.
She's shy.
She's struggling to whatever socialize or whatever and her parents, you know, who again
are mediocre parents.
To deal with this by buying her a tablet computer called Lily pad.
Here's the thing.
They like dump it on her fucking bad being like, here you go.
This will help you make friends.
But the implication is that this is like a very popular device being marketed as like
help your kid connect to other kids that's connected to sort of a closed loop for kids
social network.
Right.
The Lily pad.
And that's the cell that has successfully worked on the public.
I did think watching it a second time, do her parents oversights make a little more sense
if they have a second kid?
If in between four and five, if they're just kind of like, she's, you know, I don't
know, we're like, we're stretched thin.
It's true.
Bonnie is an only child.
Right.
I was like, they, they seem hyper focused on Bonnie and also making some easy mistakes.
I may, maybe I don't, I mean, it's also the movie has to have the movie has to happen.
Yeah.
Maybe one of the guys, like, yeah, they're not, they're not taking enough of an active
role.
Correct.
Where they should have, the parents should have made a, like a play date.
Right.
Like, what are they for?
Versus like, like, waiting for her to kind of make it happen through like a group chat.
I guess I get your, look, I'm analyzing the behavior of cartoon parents in a cartoon movie
that has to have her have an iPad to have the move story happen.
Obviously, it's hard to make your kid make friends at this age.
I'm sure because you can't like go to school and be like, Hey, you, you know, my kid wants
to be your friend.
Like, you know, that's not going to work.
Yeah.
That's how kids make friends.
For sure.
Uh, so I mean, obviously she goes to dance class as we know because that's who she's
connected to via Lily pad.
That's true.
She's going, they have signed her up for classes.
Yeah.
Clearly she's struggling to make friends.
Another lesson of this film is that dance is really clicky.
Yeah.
And the girls are mean.
This is the thing I love and, uh, uh, friends of the show, uh, Adam Volrich, Dom Niro,
host of the I, the duck podcast.
I was texting with them about the movie and they said, a good thing this movie does in
their opinion that I agree with is it definitively establishes some kids are just shitty.
Lily gets redeemed.
Yes.
It makes no effort to be like, Oh, and those kids, they didn't mean it.
It's just kind of like, yeah, I guess some kids suck.
Yeah.
People are just bullied to each other.
Totally.
It's just the nature of the world because the sit argument you can always say like, it's
creative.
He doesn't know he's hurting them.
He doesn't think they're alive.
Like he's not in the island.
It seems like his home life is.
There's a lot of stuff going on.
There are a lot of kids with fucking negligent parents who are growing up shitty in the
world of toy story.
Five.
I guess.
Yes.
Again, it's like you can only control so much in the world.
Of course, kids will be means which other to how kids explore everything.
They don't, they don't have fully developed senses of empathy or whatever.
They're not, you know, it's, it's, you know, it's happened in pre-k, like, you know,
like, of course, kids are mean.
Jesse's very invested almost like a parent in how do I get her to connect and feel
that she can help.
Which is the one he facilitates.
Like Woody is like that in three and four, especially in four, like the whole idea is,
he's like,
to take for key, yeah, to help Bonnie and it's like, bro, you know, being too extra.
This is the dramatic.
Where they're being a bit of a fuck what's the ranch called?
Root and Tudon.
You're being a little Root and Tudon ranch.
A little bit about this.
You're putting a little too much Root and Tudon ranch dress on.
But yes, she tries to do it and then realizes that she accidentally embarrasses Bonnie that
other kids are growing out toys.
Now, I remember when the trailer came out, David, you were like, I reject this premise.
My daughter loves toys more than anything.
That is a...
No, I'm right with this one.
What do you mean?
You did text this.
The idea that it's like toys are outmoded.
No one cares.
She's not gonna want to play with her toys because she'll only want to play with the iPad
or whatever.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
What is a sort of like studied thing is that kids are aging out of toys at an earlier
age.
Sure.
And tech is often thought of as the sort of like, that's what's bridging the gap.
And Jesse keeps saying throughout the film that technology is making kids grow up faster.
I know it's gonna end.
That is true.
I agree.
Yeah.
Right.
And that Bonnie seems a little bit younger.
She seems.
And like how you said, Jesse says that, like, like, it's like, Jesse, who's a professor of
toy knowledge, correct, with a degree from the University of Toy.
Yup.
Yeah.
You know, kids are growing up faster.
I'm like, Jesse, you live in a closet.
Like, you know, what the fuck?
You're not reading any shits.
Are you very radical, buddy?
It's a special.
It's a walk in.
Yeah, where is she getting it?
Like, where is she getting all of this exposure to other...
She gets on the walkie talking.
I live in a skunk room.
Yeah.
And I'm here and a lot of things too.
You have to remember, Jesse and Woody
have been alive for like 60 years.
Yeah, they've been alive right, like 60 to 70 years.
If they're like 50s or 60s toys, right?
That's the idea.
The whole thing was that Jesse wasn't played.
Jesse wasn't played with for like 30 years.
Jesse was abandoned for this.
The thing the movies won't touch is
who was Woody's owner before Andy.
I thought it was his family.
But they won't say he won't talk about it.
He talks about Andy like his first owner.
That's true.
And he's not like, of course I'm a fucking old toy
and I was played with by Andy Senior
before he went off to the war.
Right.
I died.
Or whatever.
I really thought four was going to do one line.
Uh-huh.
And they didn't.
It's all just clearly kind of like,
it's just complicated.
Who cares?
Right.
And also the third answer, they also
want to explain like, why is there a Pope car
in the car world?
Are the cars Catholic?
Well, because they need guidance.
What do you mean?
23 is about religion.
Some folks are Catholic.
Some cars are Catholic.
The Vanessa Redgrave car is Catholic.
Vanessa Redgrave voices.
Yeah, Franco Nero.
They play Luigi's Italian Uncle Car.
Sounds very not so.
This is a real.
This is real.
This is the movie that makes the other movie
look like the other movie.
Cars 2 is the most expensive film ever made.
I rewatched it again recently to be like,
Vanessa Redgrave voices an Italian car.
In a small role, I would even say.
An insignificant role.
She maybe only speaks Italian in the movie.
In the English dub.
Yeah, her and Franco Nero play Italian relatives
who they visit in a small car's town.
Wow.
Okay, so Bonnie gets the tablet.
No, I was going to mention in, in, in, in,
in Jessie's failed attempt.
Because this pre, this predates it.
In Jessie's failed attempt to try to set Bonnie up to make friends.
She ends up behind the house with the toys
who are all now traumatized by being abandoned by their owner.
They're in a kitty pool or whatever.
There's the kitty pool.
It's some of our party source, Rex friends.
And all these toys are like,
Doomsday, like tech is coming.
You don't understand.
It's over.
There's like a, the monkey with the symbol,
wind up dolls.
That's pretty funny.
There's calling out funny moments.
The bunny with the dry face.
Yeah.
He's like doing the homework.
Taps and me.
Taps and me.
Taps and me.
Sure.
They was just giving me a blank look.
Yeah.
I mean, I remember.
He's giving me the bank.
So Jessie's got this warning of be beware.
Right.
They're all I've had a.
Tech is coming.
And then she sees the box arrive.
Lily pad comes out.
And immediately she's got an attitude.
A attitude.
She's also just like fucking addicted.
Exomed.
Yes.
But she, but Ben's a Griffin saying that Lily,
the character has an attitude.
Lily has an attitude.
Bonnie.
She's kind of snarky.
She's kind of like, well, I know what's best.
You know, like she's got that vibe called Jesse Jessica,
which I think is funny because I think that is kind of the vibe of tech of like,
well, I've solved all the problems.
I as technology and my voice by Greta Lee,
uh-huh.
In the grand tradition of Pixar being like, I don't know, who's like kind of been in some
good, grown up movies recently.
Yeah.
Also, who was sort of cresting three years ago when we started developing this movie?
At one point it was announced that Anna Ferris was in this movie.
And it's unclear, Greta Lee replaced her or if she was supposed to play a different character.
It would make sense as like a kind of chirpy tech, you know,
Anna's so good at that kind of like, you know, making fun of that.
But it's almost better to have a voice that's a little steeler.
How's Anna Ferris in a scary movie section?
She doesn't look well as all I will say.
I would agree with that.
She is so good in scary movie six.
And it helps that she's doing the Jamie Lee Curtis.
I've been going crazy in my house waiting for my revenge.
I haven't seen the film.
I haven't seen it multiple times.
I mean, twice.
I think it's very funny.
I think it also is like really good at the legacy bullshit.
Sure.
The whole movie is the legacy characters being so angry at the young characters who are
like trying to be like, we're the leads now and they're like, fuck you guys so hard.
This sucks.
No one wants to see your movie.
And Anna Ferris plays the sort of shell shocked PTSD, trauma plot survivor character.
She's, did I see scary movie?
How many times did you see it?
Marie's just, Marie's just looking at me.
She's going into the sunken place.
People don't even say that whether you saw it, they just look at you like this.
David's doing well.
Except, no, wait, and the whale meme, he's actually doing a different face in that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a different face.
And in the whale meme, he's thinking the people are amazing.
People are amazing.
No, I didn't see, I've never seen a single scary movie.
I'm sure that I've ever seen one in full, be honest.
This one has a really good K-pop demon hunter's parody.
That is fully animated.
I think you're the only person like.
I will say, people are generally negative about this film.
I'm like a little surprised.
I'm not like saying like five stars.
I'm, go see it.
I was like, I think this is funny.
And I rewatched all the previous ones recently.
And they're not better than this.
But are they worse?
Yeah.
Several of them are.
Right.
And I feel like, no, I get, sorry, but are they good?
Uh, some of them are, half of them are not.
Four, five is not.
In memory, they're kind of all bad.
Five is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
Right.
That's one on a fairs is even in.
Correct.
That's one of the worst films like ever
to get a wide release.
Truly.
And maybe you just couldn't handle the truth of all this.
Satire.
Five was written and shot directed by Malcolm Delie
to primarily be a black swan parody.
And then in January, Mama came out and opened pretty well.
And they panicked and went, what if the movie's Mama instead?
And they reshot the movie to be 50% Mama six weeks
before it came out.
Sounds good.
With David Zucker taking over.
Yeah, that's what I say.
That sounds good.
Yeah, it feels like that.
It feels like a movie made in a month.
December 2019.
In the soprano's pilot, Christopher mentions his cousin
went to my high school, then shoot someone.
It's true.
That's the, that's the tweet.
This is a fact.
This is a high school.
Bonnie gets on the pond.
She starts making friends.
She gets invited to a sleepover.
Jesse and Bullseye sneak into the suitcase to accompany her.
And she is embarrassed by having toys.
Yes.
So this is the thing, right?
Like Bonnie is now being seen as a baby by other kids
because she wants to play with toys and do goofy voices
and pretend.
Yes.
Right.
And Lily Pad really takes it as a like, see, I'm right.
I'm right.
She just needs to be networked.
She needs to be keeping up to date
and all the games they play on my OS.
Every morning before school, she has to be like, you know,
checking in with the group chat.
Right.
Even the way that they engage with each other,
is they're all just sitting next to each other
but looking at a screen.
Yes.
I just have to address this.
Ben is basically acting like we just watched like a news hour.
Absolutely.
I know.
Can I have a PBS news hour documentary about how kids actually are?
It is a movie.
I'm not sure they're all actually in their rooms.
Dapping away on tap.
I don't know.
I see teens out.
Well, the teens are different.
And they're sitting at the teens.
It's bad.
They're sitting at the table, you know, at the whatever, at the fast food place
and they're all just staring at their phone.
They're not engaging with each other.
I kind of like that.
Right.
We're all we've all been guilty of this.
I mean, David, you have been you, but I'm trying to get away from it.
For a court every episode staring at a screen.
Well, that's true.
I mean, I mean, how also would I tell you Ben Hossley on my birthday in 2019 tweeted,
I've decided my new bit is I'm serious, which is funny.
No greater bit.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
I was I was not sure if I was going to do this.
Do it.
We don't have to do it.
Screen time challenge.
Guys screens down.
So what are you?
It's a screen time.
Oh, to literally do the count.
Like looking up.
Yeah.
Can't be good.
Okay.
I just need to preface this by saying my job is phone.
Yeah.
I mean, I mean, so we're all kind of in job is tech territory.
It's that is the thing I wore.
I deal with a little bit to it's not so much job, although I don't like that it's job.
Mm hmm.
Wait, are we doing daily average?
Yeah, whatever it says every week.
I got five hours, three minutes.
Oh, I'm four hours, seven minutes.
That's great.
But that's because my job is phone, but also my job is computer.
I thought to say, say, I think that hurts as do I and I slack from yes.
Yeah.
Mine is I've hours 12.
I seemingly either turn mine off or never turned it on.
So it has no report for me.
It says look here.
18 hours.
App and website activity.
You never know.
Oh, wow.
You broke it.
I have the problem also of like, because I'm always like actually one of those brick things
and I should break my phone more often.
Yeah.
And then I'm like, but like it's so irritating how so much of my life is on the phone.
Yes.
That's a bad man.
You know, that kind of like the school shit, the class app, like the fucking shopping I
do for the family or whatever.
I just pick up Asa at school once and I had to download an app for it.
That's really class.
Dojo, you had to get something.
Yeah.
That's really funny.
I'm like, this is fucking nuts.
That is.
You know, pick up this child.
I try to push away, but it is like the nature of what we do in this being a thing that
exists on the internet.
There's just like a constant amount of stuff that we need to respond to that happens through
devices.
It's annoying.
In addition to obviously watching a lot of stuff and like researching a lot of stuff.
And then, you know, obviously there's a blitz event right now with Lily Pat and Bonnie
and I'm trying to unlock.
Oh, Jesus.
Oh boy.
I bet your Disney emoji blitz time is probably bigger than that.
That might be a scary one.
I will say this.
I went to battery usage and it does say that 20% of my battery usage is emoji blitz, which
I think I got down a little bit.
What would happen if you stopped playing Disney emoji blitz?
We can throw any sort of wild hypotheticals in this.
Oh, wait.
What happened if there was no planes in the sky?
It took their place.
It flew.
All right.
So Bonnie's gets quickly hooked on the pad and she's just a little zombie and she doesn't
want to play with her toys.
She's getting bullied for playing with toys, which is constantly what we do to Griffin.
This is true.
Of course, Griffin is not a year.
I laugh all the way to the bank.
Here we should say, because Jesse and Bullseye, right, they go off with Bonnie and then end
up getting sent over to Bonnie's original.
No one has left.
No one has left.
You're skipping a couple steps here because of course, what happens first is she gets
on the walkie talkie with Woody.
This is my hottest take in the movie.
I think Tom Hanks remains great at playing this character.
I think everything they do with Woody is funny.
I do think this movie would kind of work better if Woody was not in a peer here.
What sure if it's out of the movie for sure, but I don't remember feeling that he was
actually like actively a drag on the movie anything like, but it is certainly the movie
is basically like, well, you're here because you have to be, but the joke will essentially
be like, we don't really, you don't really have a purpose.
He's kind of bald now.
No, I mean, that's your five.
I was poncho.
I was poncho.
Is it cool?
Oh, he is.
That's the poncho, but his poncho.
He got a poncho.
I'm poncho, which actually I struggled with the physics though.
This stuff thing has come loose.
It's redistributed in his body.
It makes actually perfect.
So then why does he suck it back in because he's self conscious, much like his bald spot.
Because he has air.
The heap reeks.
No, he's like pushing it back.
David, David, stop.
Okay.
It's a posture thing, but Woody is firmly supporting and is a supporting character in the film.
I think I didn't like a walkie talkie.
Why, why, you know, like, buzz doesn't know it exists.
Yeah, I'm not sure why that needs to happen, except for the plot mechanics of buzz kind
of accidentally thinks he needs to get involved.
I read it as, yes, a Jesse insecurity thing of that I consult Woody for help and also buzzes
insecurity of if he knows me or whatever.
It's both of their fragile male egos.
I buy this.
It doesn't feel like it undoes for.
You're like, if Woody's whole thing is that he goes around saving toys.
When we see him saving a little Maddie Matheson out of a tree with his gang.
Yeah, no, I don't care.
I was, he comes back.
It doesn't feel like it's undoing anything.
And then he's just funny.
It's just a lot of bits of him in buzz fighting and people joking about how old he looks.
But he is firmly supporting his.
I assume there are people on Yon Internet who are like, they were, you know, toy store 4
ends with an emotional goodbye.
How could they undo this?
They're ruining the emotion of that moment and I to that might say, you know, it'll be
okay.
I also think the ending still stands.
I know.
I love her.
Right.
And it's like the ending is still like, yeah, well, if he got a call that he needed, so
they needed help, he would do that.
He's a down.
And then he'll leave again, which he does.
Sure.
Yeah.
Does it ever come up?
Do you think Bonnie's ever like, hey, whatever, I'm not, I don't know, they're fucking
cowboy.
Well, you have to remember in four, she doesn't really like Woody.
So I know, but she doesn't come.
I'm sure it comes up.
Yeah, oh, we lost that somewhere.
Right.
They just don't care that much about Woody.
Yeah.
But do you think Andy ever who lives next door is like, hey, where's Woody?
My fucking beloved toy.
David, you sound like the red it now.
They're like, Andy gave it to her with a speech explaining that he was the most important
character.
And she didn't even know.
And he doesn't live next door.
Isn't that how he ends up giving her the box?
No, because the mom, Andy's mom, yeah, I get it.
But it's like Andy's moving.
Andy's mom, there's going to call it.
Yeah.
And he's mom's donate to him to the preschool.
Bonnie's mom runs the preschool.
Yeah.
And then why is Andy there?
At the end because Andy's mom is like, I don't know.
Maybe he's like, that's a little next door.
No, he drove off.
He drives.
I just rewatched the book.
He gave him a license.
He's going to college.
He's 18 years old.
No, but what state?
Where do they live?
Try county area, of course.
He got a try county license.
Try county.
One of them fancy try county licenses.
Once Woody comes in, they try to really go aggressive against Lily pad and.
Right.
They go to war.
They unplug her.
Right.
They're like, and they, when do they discover that if you
say, Hey, Lily, she snaps into Siri mode because I thought that was later.
Later.
That's very funny.
Yeah.
I liked the running bit that every time a tech toy is running low on battery.
They're drunk.
They're drunk.
That was good.
Well, this is what kind of a trying to get us to.
All right.
I just had to establish Woody coming back for.
You're just he gets knocked out of the house and then found by an elderly hippie burn out
couple.
Which I love that they're just specific people.
You know, it's very California.
Yes.
Did we say and funny a lot?
Who?
I thought movie was funny.
I had a good time at this movie.
I was, I was having a good time right watch.
I was sitting there being like, well, well, well, her own.
Just pay some respect to the Ben Hossley news hour.
Also every time he's speaking in this way, he is sitting at his desk with his work.
I'm trying to find a way to read a Haasley treat right now.
Did you guys talk about how we got new chairs in the office and that they're like better
for a posture?
Yeah.
This is from December 2018.
Hey, country roads to curvy.
It's true.
So who voices do you know is it?
You know what fun I didn't notice anyone's specific.
But they notice, of course, that Emily Jessie's original owner wrote her name inside the
trap.
Right.
She'd oh, and her address.
And her address.
And so they take her to this sort of, I guess it's like in the boonies or whatever.
Yes.
Because it's kind of a far.
Farmer.
Right.
A horse girl named Blaze is the now occupant of this home with her parents.
Now, Griffith, are you feeling worried?
I know that like, I'm sure this was a big part of the rumor mill.
Yes.
Of like, okay, they're going to, they're going to dig into the Jesse owner thing.
Yeah.
Are you sitting there like, I hope we meet Jesse's original owner?
Are you worried?
I'm like, this is my, that was my guess that you're worrying like, oh no, Jesse's owner
will be a character.
Some pictures.
This is something that'll be in the movie in a big way.
Some pictures and stuff hinted at the original house and people were like, that looks like
the tire swing from the circle.
Right.
People were kind of picking up on the thing.
And I was like, her going back to the house is interesting.
I like her sort of reckoning with stuff.
I don't want her to see Emily.
Yeah.
That was a big thing for me.
I obviously, I'm less emotionally invested in this series than you, but I too was just
kind of like, I think that would be a mistake.
Yes.
And I think, again, I'm thinking about it from my kids perspective.
I'm like, I think my kid wouldn't get it because she would be old.
Yes.
And it would just be kind of confusing.
I mean, Emily's quite, quite likely dead at this point.
Either dead or an old woman because like what assumes she's going on.
Her daughter owned Jesse in the 60s or whatever.
Yes.
Correct.
So I didn't want them to do that.
And I was very relieved that it's like, no, this is a new family.
There's a new family in the house.
It allows for the tackle, new issues while also dealing with the echoes and the reminders
of the past.
And when we get to this house, I do wonder if my kid will be like, I don't get it.
Like because it is weird that it's like, wait, so this is Jesse's house, but it's different
people.
I wonder, we'll see.
Again, she might just be like, I like the potty robot.
Like, you know, who knows?
Yeah.
I mean, I like the internal logic whenever Toy Story gets into like the different types of
toys and the different types of psychology.
But we basically go to the pool house at this ranch, the garden shed that has mostly kind
of like pool toys and beach toys and things like that.
They haven't played with in years.
This is like combat car.
I don't think it's a pool house.
I think it's just like a garden shed.
It's a garden shed.
It's a little playhouse.
It's a little playhouse.
It's not.
It's a lot of like beach toys.
I guess so, but it's one of those little plastic houses you got a child.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Whatever.
But combat car is not an outdoor toy.
He's not, but she's like drawn tattoos on him and put it to two on him and a different
combat car.
Yes.
Yes.
This is voiced by Ernie Hudson because of course, Karl Weathers was previously combat
car and has passed away.
I also love little pizza guy played by bad bunny.
Of course.
That really made me laugh.
Pizza was sunglasses.
That's the kind of Toy Story joke that'll get a chuckle out of old Simzi right here.
And then we meet Smarrie Pants.
Yes.
So they've all been sitting here waiting for blaze to return for a tea party.
It's been years, but what killed them all, what ended the tea party was tech.
The first device that ended everything for them and it was Smarrie Pants, which Jesse
revealed she was sitting on.
The MVP of the movie, right?
Obviously.
Conan is killing.
He's on fire.
Yes, fucking thing.
What I liked about what he's doing is he's giving a real performance.
It's real.
It doesn't really sound like Conan.
No.
The Conan we all listen to on the first and only podcast.
Conan O'Brien needs friends.
Best in last.
Keith, you know, he's sort of thought up a character here.
Like obviously when you see him in Bonnie's pretend verse and he's got the Conan hair,
that's a clever little nod to who's voicing him.
But my friend was like, I didn't realize I was Conan.
It almost feels like when Conan voices the angry audience member on his show, when he
goes like, what are you doing?
Yeah, right, right.
It's like it's sort of a kind of like voice in his repertoire, but it's him turned all
the way up.
And this is the other part where I was like, I think I see what the movie is doing and
it's smart.
There was this sort of bridge era of tech toys that Jesse is going to view as enemies.
They're just like Lily pad and they are obsolete.
They're the same as her in a way.
They're limited tech toys who had an emotional relationship with her because they weren't
just a tablet to the internet.
They had specific purposes.
Smarty pants as he likes to point out is not a chair.
He is a potty training tool.
He is meant to help you log your P P and your poop.
That's so funny.
I wonder if it's so funny every time that he gets really kind of like high and mighty about
his position.
Right.
Right.
I mean, I think all those gags are good.
Always.
Like every little joke.
Every little.
Yes.
It's like a you log one for P and two for poop.
And then what is it?
A fart.
Yeah.
Or should like a heavy fart or what he's doing this sort of like.
It's a number one.
And number two.
Like a really pudding.
I would say a lot of root and tuton ranch on his line.
And the bit of, you know, he.
What was his batteries of batteries have died.
So he's kind of drunk.
It's like foster.
It's good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But he gets really excited at the idea of Jesse being able to reconnect him.
His batteries are low, but she has a common purpose.
She needs to get back.
He has tech.
He can help her get back.
So she lets him into the house.
He finds Atlas and snappy, a GPS for kids and a like low tech digital camera who all three
of them connect to each other with like outmoded USB plugs.
Yes.
Yes.
Snappy voice by Shelby Robara.
Yes.
Not an actress.
I know.
She's from Steven Universe that on a Ferris was supposed to play snappy at some point.
It was never clear.
And then Atlas is Craig Robinson.
It's reliable figure.
Yes.
These three are basically able to like together linked up with new batteries installed, form
a little like social media tech team.
I like that they sort of have consciousness, but then they also have access to the outside
world.
Snappy can see things, Atlas can locate things and smarty pants can do text.
This is the Pixar thing.
You're so smart how they decided to create these characters and how they'll be used throughout
the movie.
I said to Ben, I think this is a real stand and thing where he really likes the internal
logic of what's a different type of toy.
What would be the psychology of that toy we haven't explored before and what's a specific
way that character can play into the story and activate something that couldn't be done
by any other character.
Like there's no character put on the board in this movie in a major role who doesn't serve
significant story function in the third act, unlocking something.
And we were talking about me.
You said it, Ben, the second the movie ended last night, you went, I cannot believe that
is the same person who made in the blink of an eye.
It's crazy.
A movie that feels so kind of like mill misconceived on a basic level.
And this movie is so goddamn tight.
It just feels like every story idea it has has been worked down to its tightest possible
point.
This is not as funny, Ben, but this is a saga I forgot about from your life October
2018.
Yup.
I'm locked in my apartment.
I went from homeless to too much home.
Help.
You couldn't open your apartment.
I just moved into a new apartment after couch serving for many months and the door knob
just broke off in my hands.
There was an episode we canceled because of it.
And I will leave you not trapped inside.
Yes, we put in record.
And your your landlord said like the bottom lock wasn't his problem and you were like,
is he just a top lock guy?
Was that the place of cross the coast?
Yeah.
Yeah.
One more June 2018.
Slanderman is Slenderman's lawyer.
That's
That's
I'm just saying, I think you need to publish a book.
That's what it means.
You need to be like one of those urban outfit or like wisdom of the town of Ben.
We need these musings, but I don't think it has to be on social media.
I mean, certainly I'm like Instagram only these days and I wish I spent even less time
in Instagram that I do, but I mostly lurk and then repost things.
And I certainly feel healthier for it, not being on any of the text-based apps.
Yeah, I don't use Twitter anymore.
I'll look at it sometimes for sports.
I don't I use Instagram, but you know, I don't post much.
I guess I'm on Blue Sky, but that's kind of like I post once a week on Blue Sky.
I lost the poster urge.
Same myself of that.
Same.
I don't post.
I used to have the thing when I had Twitter where I was like any thought I'd be like,
oh, that'd be fun.
You know, like, and I just I spent enough time Twitter did like to start behaving in a way
after this one guy bought it that really started to distress me.
Like, I know all you're talking about.
And I just was like, I guess I'll stop.
And then I did the stop long enough that I was like, I lost the poster disease.
I'm just imagining someone like replying to a Ben tweet being like, at Grock, what is
this?
Right.
At Grock explains.
And that's the famous thing of like early AI being asked, uh, would Ben Hossley like
the movie Slumdog Millionaire?
And the response was it's impossible to say Ben alternates between liking wet things
and dry things.
The movie has both, we don't know which one he likes more these days.
And we were like, Ben has outsmarted AI.
You can't track his bits.
Yeah.
Love it.
Um, Triple A gang is trying to figure out how to make a post through the pond to alert
Bonnie that her toys are here.
And then Jesse very quickly realizes, wait a second, is this an opportunity to also connect
these two kids?
Cause she knows that Blaze who has grown out of toys and grown out of these tech toys
is an animal kicker.
But she likes animals and she's still got a creative sensibility.
She's, yeah, plays with the animals like their toys, which I also thought was smart
in terms of like any hand-wringing panic about like is tech the death of everything.
You're like, well, like our toys getting us away from us existing with nature.
Like that's also a technology, right?
Yeah.
And so the only toys she still has like on display are her horse shelf because she's a
horse girl.
Right.
And that's just sort of for display.
But otherwise she has her pig, Jimmy Dean and her horse, Daffodil and Jimmy Dean, she
talks to like it's a toy she does routines with love.
Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean fucking rolls.
Jimmy Dean's the pet pig.
Yes.
I like.
He's so cute.
I just wanted to slumber on.
I like that he's also not like a cartoon pig that he's like kind of a gross pig in a way
that makes him cute.
He's like, like Peppa Pig's dad.
He has like chin hair, whatever.
But I like it.
It doesn't bother me.
It tells to the class, you know, people are like, I want a little pig.
You know, Piglet for a pet and it's like, you know, it's going to turn into like a big
pig.
Turn to a gym.
Even if it's like a miniature pig or whatever, like they turn into big old pigs.
And that's what happened when she loves her pig.
She loves Jimmy Dean.
And Jesse recognizes it.
Bonnie's not like other kids.
She plays.
She's creative and blazes got this thing.
Can we set the two of them up to hang out?
Right.
Woody and Buzz have followed after Jesse are committed to trying to save her and are sort
of fighting about who's actually number two, who's the deputy.
Because they get there because Bonnie, yes, has been, uh, realized she's lost Jesse.
Bonnie gets the message.
Right.
Right.
It goes to her, her iPad.
Lily pads trying to block this.
This is when Woody and Buzz are sort of triangulating like, what if we unplug her charger,
she loses battery, she'll get kind of drunk.
Then can we interrogate her?
There's the lizard that they use to activate her.
That was really funny.
They've realized the voice activation thing.
They're trying to figure out how to outsmart Lily pad and she just keeps leveling up.
They're like, can we, we just got this message.
Oh, right.
From Jesse, here's where she is.
Here's the address.
Here are the toys.
Let's print it out so they find it.
They say, but they, I think one of them says send it to all or something.
Yes, send all.
Yeah.
And so it prints out.
But then like Lily pad activates the Roomba.
Which I like the idea that the Roomba also because Bonnie has played with it has also now
sort of gained a little sentience.
Oh, I mean, think about it later in the film.
Right.
Lily pad of course wants to fuck the Roomba.
They don't fuck the toys.
She wants to.
Mine did.
I would go boom, boom, boom.
Yeah, so I have sex with these.
Smashy blood.
The barbies.
Yeah.
Perfectly healthy.
There's nothing wrong with this.
I was literally thinking the exact same thing.
I'm getting loopy.
Should be here in 15 minutes.
I ordered it.
So one thing to credit this movie and it felt this way above four as well.
It just looks fantastic.
It does.
It's that Pixar thing where they're just, they're so next level now with the environments
and the way they make the like lighting and the air and all that look.
We talked about this very impressive after the screening we went to where it was like
a lot of the shots specifically in the like buzz hive mind segments are studying.
Yes.
Beautiful sunsets and like the fog in that one moment.
I'm like, this is, this is really pretty.
It uses color like unbelievably well for mood and story.
You know, it's one of those things where I know he said like this is my last animated film.
I really only went and I'm just kind of like you're good at this.
You're good.
Like are you sure you want to stop?
I mean, his thing is like I'm not primarily a fan of animation.
I'm a fan of movies.
I fell into this thing.
I've never wanted to limit myself to that.
But I think what he does that is so unique is he's, and this is a lot of what Pixar did
in general, but I think he was at the forefront of pushing him towards this is like marrying
the visual language of the two things together.
Like a thing we commented on afterwards that is so cool in this movie.
Is it acts like it's sort of mostly done with handheld camera and it's very subtle?
But beyond like, Stanton's always been the stickler guy who's like, can we make the virtual
camera operate by the real rules of a camera?
Right.
So beyond this, what is our lighting source?
And in this you see the camera struggling to keep the characters in frame.
Like the camera sort of like moves quickly to readjust as if the performance isn't planned.
And it's a very, very subtle thing, but it like it, it psychologically has an effect
on you.
We should say the tech buzz is they've been activated.
They go to this construction site.
They use the crane.
They're just in search of a star.
They find a campsite for land.
They're trying to find civilization.
They're trying to find star command.
And at this campsite, one of them is taken.
They realize, oh, this is not scary.
Maybe this is good to be played with.
This one buzz seems happy.
And then they look onto the kids' devices and they see the Jesse message from Blaze's
house.
Right.
They look up the address.
And when they use Google Maps or whatever, it places the address with a star.
I just like it's smart all the ways that they're just sort of like she has a star on
her chest.
There's a star in the sky.
There's a star on the map.
We're just simple.
We go wherever the fucking star is.
And when Bonnie goes to Blaze's house for the first time and then the group chat plays
out where they send the crying baby images and then they all laugh.
Yes.
It was awful.
So fucking mean, man.
Fuck those girls.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The shitty kids.
Shitty kids.
They get docks.
But I do think I might use that joke if someone sends me a stupid text.
Trying baby.
Yeah.
Like, winds about something.
I do think there's potential there.
Maybe that'll be my first tweet.
December 2017.
My nickname for Dan Lewis is the method man.
My boy.
My boy.
Incredible.
The snack wrap plus Caesar sauce equals extra crispy chicken scenery greatness.
Sounds delicious.
Caesar sauce at McDonald's for limited time.
Bottom up.
Buh-buh.
Right.
So Jesse.
Right.
So Jesse, the whole time is like, you know, like you're saying, like, well, I got a band
of before I, this Bonnie thing, I'm half want to help her.
But I half him, like, what's the point?
I'm only going to get forgotten again.
And the thing she realizes is that no, her owner didn't forget her because she named
her daughter after.
And there's, how do you, it's like, you see a picture?
What's the, like a buried lunch box?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
You made a little time capsule.
Jesse was here.
And she goes, she's like, what's that?
It doesn't make sense.
They're up pointing down time capsule.
And it's a kid with a bunch of like 80s 90s stuff.
Yeah.
And she's like, this stuff is too new.
What's going on here?
And then she realizes it's her daughter.
Now here's why I buy this.
You have to remember that Jesse was a character on a TV show.
Sure.
I guess so.
Right.
What he's round up.
Right.
And he watched a lot.
If you named your kid Jesse after the doll you had, why put the doll on the side of the
road?
That's why I'm saying it's just a character.
It's the character more does that.
I think it's like later in life, she looked back.
Yeah.
With nostalgia for that doll and like the name.
Sure.
I think it makes sense.
It's like it's enough.
Like if Ben named his son Spawn, even though he had given away his spawn toys when he
was a child.
But technically, Spawn's son will be Spawn.
He will be Spawn of Haasley.
Yeah.
That's true.
But you could name him medieval Spawn Haasley.
Future Spawn Haasley.
I'm sure my wife would love to say.
You know what I'm thinking about it.
We should just talk about like your hypothetical future Spawn.
Your daughter, she spawns Haasley.
Future Spawn.
Future Spawn.
Future Spawn.
That's technically quite literally what they are.
This is true.
Your future Spawn.
You know, it's an exciting thing.
I want to do it.
At some point in my life have a family and I'll love the kid for whatever they are.
You'll love your future Spawn.
Yeah.
That will be great.
Maybe don't call them Spawn.
That's just my, just my tale.
Spawn's the middle name.
Is that better?
Abigail Spawn Haasley.
Uh, US World Cup star out.
Christian.
Yeah.
He will miss today's pivotal game with like that's tough news for them with a Cav injury.
We're dating today's episode.
I know this has been a freer because he'd had the he came out of the last game.
Well, we're this will come out like six weeks after the movie comes out, but we're recording
it the day the movie is technically being released because I'm about to go to Spain to
do a shoot.
He's off to Spain, the rain in Spain.
I've seen him mainly on the Griffin.
I've been feeling so suffocated by the amount of World Cup stuff and then I'm like, oh
right, I'm going to Spain.
It is going to be a lot of you feeling so, but how is it that sports guys keep fucking
with me?
You know the way the Ben says that everyone fucks with him all the time.
It's true.
This only happens to me with sports guys when they're like a vet.
People are like fucking with me on the subway and like because you're wearing like a choice
because I'm just like not an alpha male.
I swear to God, this happens.
But it's the soccer guys that are both both.
Because we want to talk about next fans being bullies.
I'm, yes, let's have that conversation.
I'm ready to talk.
I don't belong to anyone.
They're victories.
It just feels like there is a sort of sports bar culture that breaks containment when
things like this happen.
That is all I'm saying.
I'm so sorry that people are harassing you.
It's annoying.
David, after the screening, I left my credit card out of bar.
Oh, yeah.
That was somewhat nearby.
Sure.
You go to the bar.
Yeah.
I have a beer.
Yeah.
I have to show my ID to get the card back.
Our tender looks at it goes, this picture's terrible.
Oh, that's crazy.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
So then I'm like, dude, what do you mean?
It's an ID picture, whatever.
Right.
It's just like you are so much more handsome.
Okay.
Maybe it's trying to hit on you.
Yeah, maybe this was kind of like a neggie kind of flirt.
I guess now actually that I'm reflecting on.
And then he did give you his phone number.
I'm hearing.
Well, no, because then I was like, let me see your ID picture.
All right.
I was like a flirt.
This is flirt, I said it looked like shit.
Oh, wait.
Now I want to see your ID picture.
But he started crying.
Yeah.
No, he didn't cry.
I did.
But it was there's some tension.
Wow.
Uh, no one ever looks good in their ID picture.
I would agree with that.
It's just like a rule.
You have to look.
You have to look like shit.
I hit some photo.
All right.
I'm going to take a look at Ben's ID photo.
Okay.
Ben's going to show us.
Can I see your first please?
Can we pass it around?
Yeah.
I think you look exactly the same.
I think that is an incredibly rude comment.
That is a handsome picture of a handsome man with a great brain.
I think this man was flirting with you.
But it is true that people just say shit to Ben.
It is a pretty good photo.
It is.
It is for a driver's license photo.
It's an accurate representation of our handsome friend.
Yeah.
But people do be fucking with people to be honest.
They do.
I've witnessed this.
It's wild.
Remember when we were in Austin, you were like, why are these guys outside of bar in
Austin?
You know, just like being mean to me for no reason.
I just walked down the street.
I'm just going to start.
There are definitely people who unconsciously in fight.
They fight.
They fight.
They fight.
They fight.
Like, kind of like you can talk to me.
It's okay.
You know what I mean?
Like, or like guys will just kind of, yeah, come up to you or like the sort of weird
guy in the park will think you're ready for a conversation.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Absolutely happens to me.
It feels like all the time.
I guess I just have one of those faces.
July 2015.
2015.
Going back.
Oh.
I've been to little Italy.
It's small.
Good.
Pretty good.
It's getting smaller or smaller.
You like the toy story movies, Ben.
I actually have always kind of just been like this was my question.
It's the one that has for whatever reason.
Maybe because you have this kind of future parent anxiety.
Maybe because you remember being a kid.
They get the future parent anxiety.
Like that it just sort of like hit you a little harder because I do feel like I'm trying
to remember your general toy story.
I had no really.
You were 10 when the first movie came out.
I'm not sad.
I love sad.
But you like him in retrospect.
You're like, hey, Sid, he's cool.
He's got a skull on his t-shirt.
He's creative.
I agree.
I'm personally.
I think I saw Toy Story one in theaters.
I did.
But you were you're a little younger than me and that's where it's right.
I was six.
But I also was very gendered at the time and I was like, this is a boy movie.
So I just didn't bother with it.
I know.
I kind of like this movie because it was about girl stuff.
I know.
I'm one again wondering if Jesse is my daughter's favorite character.
If she'll be like that movie had more Jesse.
Like I like that.
Yeah.
So I appreciated all of the girl stuff.
And that's why it really upset me when a Griffin said that people on the Toy Story
Reddit were calling Bonnie a C word because I think Bonnie is an incredible young woman.
You know, I mean, one who does that is obviously needs to touch grass.
When I was rewatching Toy Story 4 and watching her make forky.
Yes.
I was texting you guys and I was like, this is insane.
Like she is so advanced.
She's pretty advanced for making this thing.
Sure.
She makes forky.
Even the way that she writes her name on forky, like her handwriting's really good.
She has to have like excellent fine motor skills to like craft this thing.
My daughter couldn't write as well as Bonnie does.
She can't read but Bonnie can't read, I guess, whatever.
That doesn't come up.
I was reading at Bonnie.
I was reading it.
Yeah.
That's show off.
Sure.
I'm sure Bonnie coded.
Also, I just want to communicate to everyone what just happened in the bathroom.
It's going great.
I pushed the number one button.
Oh, thank God.
I was really, I was kidding.
He didn't say number one.
Really, really upset if you press number two and I was like, oh, Griffin.
Griffin, you annoyed with that toy.
It feels like you were a little out down by it.
A little bit.
It doesn't work as well as I wanted to.
We're hoping it would solve your bathroom problems.
Yes.
So, it's buying it would be the final piece of the puzzle.
We have had smarty pants in our studio bathroom for several.
Can't say I've noticed.
I've been eating him.
He's been a little easter egg in the bathroom.
When I saw the movie, I was like, oh, that's the weird thing that Griffin has in the bathroom.
The thing about art is that it was an actual potty train.
There's so many griffin toys.
You kind of get toy blindness and you kind of don't even notice them.
There aren't that many toys in the bathroom.
That's true, but I would honestly had not noticed.
I don't think I realized that he was meant to be a role of toilet paper.
Yes, which I love.
It's really smart design.
The handle on top of him is sort of like the toilet paper holder in the wall.
A couple of things to discuss about the movie.
I really loved that all of the horses got to participate.
Yeah, fun little counter to the Buzz Army is that the horse is right.
I love that Buzz gets her right a horse that's like more of a unicorn.
He loves it.
He's a lot of light up horse.
What did you think of the buzzes turning into drones?
The big third act they finally fly.
It's a good fucking 30 years later joke payoff.
The buzzes can finally fly.
I think I like it.
Because Lily feels so guilty.
She don't know how she's a lot of it.
She was long to herself.
She unilocks herself.
Which I thought into like a box.
I was happy that she did that because she served it.
No, no, I was just kind of like it like it follows in this sort of like red of these movies
that the toy would be like, well, I do want the child to be happy.
And I know I've made a machine.
I'm happy.
Yes.
So it's my fault.
I like that it's not like someone else teaches her to be good.
It speaks to like she actually thought she was doing the right thing.
She was Robert Oppenheimer.
That tracked for me best.
Right.
Yeah, she's like often.
Like Oppenheimer until they build a bigger lollipad.
They should have safty crying lollipad.
About even Bowser Jr.
My daughter's favorite character in all media ever.
Like just I mean, she talks about Bowser Jr. like Putin.
Where does she say she's just like that's the scariest bad guy in the world.
That's the most incredible bad guy.
She loves him so much.
And she thinks he's scary.
Well scary, but like she's she's just like that's the baddest one.
She thinks pretty bad.
You know, like and I think it's because his paintbrush is so powerful.
It's real.
She's just kind of like he owns Bowser.
Bowser doesn't even have a paintbrush.
Wow.
And in the second movie he's small.
Yeah.
He's mostly comic relief.
Yeah.
Whereas Bowser Jr.
is out here painting up a storm I guess.
Some character arc on Bowser in that second movie.
It's a little disjointed.
He starts off little, but desperate to prove that he's a good guy.
He's kind of their friend sort of.
He's guilty that he maybe wasn't enough of a present father.
Even though every night he did a bespoke puppet show for his son.
He's like, he feel like he was.
Yeah, he's putting in some effort.
His son is causing so much terror that he's like, I feel guilty.
And his son is like, Dad, I did this for you.
And he's like, never mind.
I think I've you rock only made great decisions.
And then all his skewering off.
And he's a skeleton.
And he says he's the Lord of bones.
Oh, that happens in the movie.
Yeah.
That's what happens in the movie.
Interesting.
Um, buzz, uh, drones.
It's basically a strong big extended final chase sequence where they have to save Lily
because Lily's the only way they're going to be able to finally get these two kids
together.
Right.
And the stakes are she wants the two of them to meet.
She thinks they could both use the friend.
I like those stakes.
Yeah.
The stakes is basically just the kind of like, can we get them to hang out and not be shy
with each other and kind of connect?
Here's another thing I thought of watching.
Those are some real parenting stakes.
Those are the stakes that inside out two tries to establish that I think it does not execute
well.
And I rewatched inside out two last night to be like, was I too hard on this at the
time.
And I think that movie shitty.
And I think that movie makes it too much about like fucking hockey camp and shit.
I don't think it's shitty.
I think it has a really, it's fine.
I think the representate, like the visual representation of what anxiety feels like I
thought was really meaningful to me.
Everything with that character works for you.
I wish it was gayer because I think I think that that is kind of like, sorry, David.
It's just really, it's just there.
They're, they're presexual characters in, there's a children's film.
No, they already establishes as crushes.
Yeah.
What's really, actually like, Riley, if if she's like a,
you know, a adolescent, yeah, and it felt like she had a crush on the girl on her hockey
stuff.
It really does.
And the girl is coded kind of.
Yes, but yes.
So I was like, okay, like that's interesting.
I wish they actually like had the balls to do that.
I know.
Well, maybe they should have.
Maybe that's what they should have done inside out too.
I also just don't like that the movie is once again.
Oh, no, they get kicked out of the console and they have to make their way back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not very rich because it is right.
It is just I was like, all right, here we are in the back.
And we're either like, go down a road.
In the consular, they're not.
Yeah. Yeah.
I just never stuck.
My daughter ever also has never cared about them.
So I've only seen them like twice, like total.
Yeah, she doesn't like that one.
Maybe she will eventually.
Just one more important thing that we need to address,
Buzz and Jesse Kiss.
They do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You didn't like that, David?
I don't. I just you the king of kissing on camera.
You love kissing their toys.
I just so care.
Let their little plastic faces.
What I'm not stopping.
Let them.
Don't say that.
Buzz is in love with Jesse because he's in love with Woody.
But no, you're forgetting the moment at the end of Toy Story 2 where Jesse
does the rescue.
Yeah, sure.
And it's he's impressed with her because she's high status.
That's another thing I like that this movie does that I think it does very subtly
is Jesse the character in the TV show.
Of course, her divining thing is that she talks to animals that she's a yodelink out
girl.
And she communicates with critters.
Right.
In this, they sort of imply that she has that power on real animals as well.
She thinks she does.
And yeah, maybe she does.
We don't have to deal to dig up the tie capsule.
I'm not mad about it.
She gets Jesse Dean to work for her.
Yeah.
But Woody does that with the with Buster.
Yeah.
And the other movies.
I guess it's more that it's toys can talk to animals that Jesse believes in it more because
that's what her right, right, her source material is.
But then this whole like you get your kind of final extended chase of like how do they
save Lily pad?
How are they going to get back to the respective homes?
But like, yeah, it's just it doesn't fall into the trap of we need to be bigger.
No.
And which I feel like four also didn't.
I think it's the right kind of picks our trap of like, oh my God, how do we out do our
sort of final set piece scale or whatever?
Two remains.
I feel like the craziest thing they ever did where they like stop a plane or whatever they
do.
But I love that they're not trying to top that.
No.
And it is just so funny for me.
It's my favorite gag in the movie of like, you know, they're using Atlas's GPS to try
to get themselves to Lily pad and they're sort of like, well, we're supposed to take
a left here.
There's a house there.
It used to be a road.
The maps out of date, what do we do?
And they just ride through the house and you get this tracking shot that feels like it's
out of weapons where they go from room to room and everyone in the family is just on a
different device.
And no one notices there are 50 buzz light years on horses riding through.
I think that's really funny.
Yes.
I enjoyed that.
So funny.
Yeah.
I was laughing.
You were laughing.
It was a time.
And then the film ends with what I would argue is Taylor Swift's best song in like five
years.
Let's acknowledge it ends with.
I don't think that's a hot thing.
I knew it.
I knew you.
It ends with buzz and Jesse finally getting married.
Yes.
And soon, Taylor Swift will finally get married at Madison Square Garden.
God.
I've been so stressed out.
I just don't get it.
I don't understand.
Also, the Taylor Swift fans keep harassing me on the subway and pizza parlors and so
oppressed.
The Omni culture.
But did you tell them I put hundreds of dollars in this woman's pocket because how many
versions of the vinyl did you buy?
I excuse me.
There were two versions I bought both.
I sent the receipt to the group and I was like, I hate that she's fucking got me.
Sure.
That I'm like fallen prey to this Taylor Swift shit with the countdown clock and the
like it's going to sell out.
And then a week later, I saw an article that they're going for hundreds of dollars.
Wow.
Randy Newman's quite old.
This is the first movie he didn't write a song for.
He did a score.
He did a score.
There are some new themes in it I like, but a lot of it is repurposed.
A lot of it's reusing previous and at the premiere, they played together.
You see, Randy's moving pretty slowly.
One of my favorite people of all time.
My father of course, Randy Newman.
But it was a pretty fucking insane coup for them to get Taylor Swift to do this.
What was the last time did she write a song for any movie previously?
For Hunger Games.
Right.
I don't know if she's done anything besides that, but I remember also liking that song
too.
She didn't write a song for Amsterdam, brutally.
No, she did not.
I mean, that's her song about how a car ran her over insane that they were like, if
we put Taylor Swift in this, the Swifties will go see it.
And you're like, what's the movie about investigating Taylor Swift's murder?
Maybe they don't want to see this.
She did, of course, do a song for 50 shades darker called I don't want to live forever.
Okay.
She did a song called Carolina for a little movie in which you heard a crad ad.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
She crad added it up.
I believe she also is a co-writer on beautiful ghosts.
The song they did for cats.
Yeah.
You are right about that.
Of course, she appeared in that film as well as Bumble-Lena.
Bumble-Lena.
Bumble-Lena.
Bumble-Lena.
Do we have anything else to say about the Toy Story 5?
I like it a lot.
It made me really happy.
I'm glad it made you happy.
Yes.
But I also like, I keep not making you sad.
These which is good.
It's honestly the bigger thing.
I do feel like I've been brute force in therapy for a thousand different reasons.
And I'm not in a place where I was like, if this movie is bad, it's going to destroy
me.
I was joking to Ben before the movie.
Like I'm chill.
It's only my psychology at stake.
But I don't actually feel that way.
However, every time one of these movies is good, I feel a tremendous sense of relief.
Now, have you noticed, and it's just coming out, you know, the movie just came.
So it's just being like, more negative.
What's the reality about this movie online, then say the other one?
It's weird, because I've seen, like, I've seen, like, letterbox, I've seen tweets,
like, it's always hard now to tell, like, what's kind of fake out, right, and what's
real.
I think four was greeted more warmly and then had more negativity, like, search up later.
Right, yeah.
And then I think this one, oddly, is, like, people going, like, A, a return to form,
or B, they finally lost the juice.
Yeah.
It's one or the other.
And like my friend was like all my friends hated it and I was like and she liked it
But I was like hated it like how can you feel
It's so well made it's well done right exactly even if my note was basically
It's like because Jesse at the end is like it's about the journey not the destination
Yeah, and I'm like right that's the lesson of two. Yeah, I do feel like we're out of ideas on that front
So I was kind of like there's a ceiling on this movie for me quality was but like yeah, it's like it's just well done and like
I had a good time watching it. I can't really be too mad at it
You know especially because these movies are just gonna continue to happen
These movies continue to struggle with how expansive two was thematically right that it just bit off so much
Successfully that there's not as much left for them to explore
But I thought this movie had like many new ideas it had a new concept. Yes
It comes to an old idea, but the tech stuff
I was like I appreciate just running at an idea like that. I thought that was good
It's what I said in my review, which is on the Atlantic you can hear it if you want. How would you rank the stand?
Yeah, it's about to oh good call. Yeah, cuz it's gonna be our our last episode
So yeah, true now you have to make them it out. Can I pitch my idea for the next and the toy story franchise?
We need to know which which Griffin do you think there will be a toy story six this
The fact that they don't even attempt to
Make some sort of here's the end of the series. Yeah finale to this. I think it's all but guaranteed
I hope they continue to pace them out the way they have
It's nice that these movies are coming out every two years. Yeah, sure
Okay, it's more of a prequel the first toy story sticking hoop
This is a well you like to go to I
Like to go almost prehistoric
Yeah, but I think it would be interesting
Keep going. It's like a rock. It's a rock. Okay. Yep, and like mud
Yeah, and it's like you know primitive people and it's like the blurring the like what it isn't mean to be a toy like as the first
Toy but that sort of feels like forkey territory if it's like I made a toy out of some stuff and now what is play
Right? And
Toy game consciousness childhood is a modern concept. Yes. This is true
That's why I think it's got to be like you know 20th century stickin hoop and it's a toy that's really nauseous all the time
It's like I'm just fucking chased
But you see like ancient Roman
You know dolls or right like we we unearth these things sometimes I guess I do do that a lot love that you love that
And it's not an accusation or
It's made six films
Correct, I'm not missing anything. Yes, so I have a ranked thusly from one to six
Okay, Wally
Finding Nemo toy story five finding Dory John Carter in the blink of an eye. I'm sorry John. Yeah
The ambition of John Carter is higher than the than the animated sequels sure
I I can't get there with I think it's better than the animated sequels which are two movies where I'm like
Obviously these are no masterpiece is what they're well done enough that I consider them better than John Carter
I think I think I have the same rank, but I have it over in the blink of an eye. Yeah, I go
Wally then finding Nemo then I go to a story five then finding Dory of the same
Ray John Carter and and unfortunately we're gonna end with a blank I think that's where one must yes one must
Marie do you prefer like Nemo to Wally do you have a hot take on these lists? No, I love Wally. I'm very curious to rewatch John Carter
I saw it opening weekend at the Ziggfeld it was like the last movie
I saw at the Ziggfeld before it closed down and there were like five people in the entire theater and
Like one of them was Rob Malone, you know
Some weeks in advance and I asked the question on the episode is there any chance I like the Mandalorian and Grogu more than John Carter
And I can definitively say no, I think John Carter is better than the last three theatrically really Star Wars movies sure
Definitely last two
So I want to fuck that Troy no, it's I like the what's the lady proxy lady proxy mo the original skimble shanks
But I remember like defending John Carter at the time and being like this movie's good at it's got stuff in it
I it's fun to defend even if it doesn't completely work
But that's been our
Interesting journey and now of course
We're going on to Martin Scorscheese that's so true. It's actually right on to him right on to him
We've recorded a good chunk of them. Yeah, we've recorded eight Martin Scorsese episodes already out of you dirt jerks
23 yeah, we've done about a third. Yeah, my estimation. Yeah, I'm Italian. We're working on it
I think I think our pizza might be here. Hold on. Sure. Yes. I'm sure it was delivered long ago
I just hate this is gripping calling from the and I was like I wonder how he's ending that sentence
Okay, thank you
I pulled a sams
Did you it delivered to your house? Yes, but my house is very close
See I could have stuck your house is a mac than whatever
I was very close. I mean, it's pretty close. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're hungry. So let's end the episode and I'll go get the pizza all right
Yeah, I'm just gonna say the little dispoying they didn't do a bad bunny pizza
I did see nighthawk they are I will be ordering it special is the
Oh, maybe I'll get that yeah, they have a flat bread pizza with sunglasses flat bread
They got a new what's it called a paedina?
Italian flatbread sandwich. Oh, yeah, I saw that on the menu
I got a term-member movie. It's got a ham and mango. It's that's the
And it's sort of like a fun like Hawaiian pizza
Yeah, yeah, it's a better version of a lion right? I love I
Love it. Maybe I should get this
But Ben's taking a buzz light ear this is the bucket we got yesterday when we saw the movie. Oh
Bucket yeah, it's pretty good. Oh, it's the high-tech buzz in the package and you can take the buzz out to put the popcorn in yeah, it's like these
God these things get so elaborate now
Yeah, like we're just the popcorn yeah, yeah, yeah
It's really nice. It's very fancy. Yeah, but we're gonna end this episode so I can get pizzas or a final thing you want to say Marie
I'm just wondering like this you know
Toy story 4 definitely felt like a Woody and Bo Peep side adventure. This is a Jesse side adventure right where do they go next because I feel like
Do they go back to the buzz well?
Or is there what is the next character to get their own well the NTs of course is that the the high-tech buzzes have
Drown their way down to a playground to find themselves a bunch of kids and then high-tech Zerg is revealed
Yes, I couldn't wait to find out with that the greatest villain voice by no the greatest villain is Bowser Jr
But right Andrew Stanton understand. Yes, I learned that from the fine anymore. Was there a second post credits thing?
Yes, we missed it bad bunny bad bunny and forky wrapping along with all the other toys. It's pretty fucking great
It's actually great
I would call it a bump
Cool. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, but like what is your as someone who's very dialed into this? What do you think?
Just were you happy?
I know it's just like I feel like that's just it's just you're just no I was just
We just want you to be happy Christmas. Yes, and you major. Are you major smile? I major smiles. Stand and stand and strong stand and tall
No, I think the big thing is and and this is another thing I hold against three is like three is the movie
I imagined would be the third movie and four and five and two all did things I never could have guessed
And that's what I like about the series and I think that's what stands really smart at is he continues to kind of sit down and not go like
A to B on the story stories now this is a Ben Hossley tweet from November
So this is before blank check wow he maybe knows us a little bit. Okay
Writing a prequel to the movie my girl about the bees
This is what I'm saying he's always done this well. Yes. He does want the first you love a prequel art
I guess I want to I want to know where it started yeah
In a behi and where did this podcast start what is the prequel to blank check why of course it's the phantom menace
That's so true. It all comes back to pre-house. That was the beehive of our
10-year-long allergic pack that has been this movie. I'm gonna go get these pizzas. He's so hung
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