Ranking the Top 10 NFL Offenses for the 2026 Season!

2026-08-04 18:13:00 • 1:31:49

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Welcome to the Ring or NFL show. I'm your host, Shield Kapadia. Today we are going on the record

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and identifying what we believe to be the top 10 offentists in the NFL going into the 2026

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season fun exercise. I like to do it every summer to really go on the record with takes.

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Alright, how good do I think each of these units is actually going to be. My guess today is

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the ringer's Dion Taley will count them down. We'll start with 10. We'll see where we agree.

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We'll see where we disagree. I think there are going to be some disagreements in this one and we'll

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talk it all out. Alright, let's take a break. We come back with Dion Taley.

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All right, we are back here on the Ring or NFL show with my friend, Dion Teyly. We've done this

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before, Dion Tey, I don't know how many years we've done it or whatever, but we have ranked the

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top 10 offense is going into the season. I like to do one through 32 offense, one through 32 defense,

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just every summer, basically, to get in my head. How do I feel about these teams? Because I noticed

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that I had like 10 teams written down initially that I was like, oh, they're in the 15 to 20 range,

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and it's like, she'll, they can't, 10 teams can't be in the 15 to 20 range. I thought this was

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actually quite a challenging exercise to narrow it down to 10. I thought that there were maybe

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17, 18 teams that you could really make a case for here. Like, I don't, I don't know what you guys

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might have been arguing about at your lunch tables back in your middle and high school, but I remember

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when we used to debate things like the top five or top 10 rappers of all time, you just aren't

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throwing names out. And then eventually you're like, we're talking about 18 people for a 10

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for a 10 person list. Like we have to trim some of this. I think that I struggle with that. I also

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found myself just being more bullish. I think on more offenses across the league than I thought I would

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have been going into this exercise. I think we'll try to do defenses next week, and I feel like

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it's the opposite. Offense, I felt like I could have easily gotten to 15, 18 where I'm like, they

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have a chance to be in the top 10. And you look at the defenses around the NFL, and there's, you know,

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there's like five, you're like, I feel really good about them. And then you're just like, man,

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I have no idea, you know, these, all these other deeps. So it is different. Offense is in defense.

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It's okay. We're going to do top 10s. We're going to start with 10. I think here's how we do it,

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Deontay will start with you. You give me your number 10. You make the case. If I have that team

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elsewhere on my list, I'll tell you where I have them. And we just spend time talking about that

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team. And then I'll give you my 10 and then we'll kind of work our way up to the top five,

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the top three, and eventually who we have as the best offense. So get us started. Number 10 on

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Deontay's list of projected best offenses in the NFL in 2026. Who do you got?

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I've got Jacksonville at 10 here. And like, this was, this was a cluster for me between like 10 and 14

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where this really is like, how do I feel getting out of bed in the morning, making this pick? I think

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that for Jacksonville, for me, with Jacksonville, and I think specifically with Liam Cohen, and one of

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the things just throughout this exercise I kept coming back to is, what did I see on film last year

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that felt the most stable? And we talked a lot about Jacksonville. I think this offseason and ways

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in which that they may regress, they might not have. I don't think anybody should expect them to be

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as hot to start this upcoming season as they were down the stretch of the last six to eight weeks

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last year. But one of the things that we saw them kind of building on a week by week basis

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was an ability to find explosive runs and ability to find early down success in the run game.

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And then I think after they traded for Jacobi Myers and you started to see more of a breakout from

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Parker Washington, you started to see the ball get out of Trevor Lawrence's hands quickly underneath,

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allowing guys to go create after the catch and then on third downs having these dependable guys

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that can help you move the chains. I think I just come back on the whole just something like,

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this is an offense that isn't necessarily complete yet, right? Like I still think we need to see

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Ryan Thomas Jr. step into the role that I think Jacksonville ultimately wants for him being that

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unguardable extra-seer option. But they've got a solid enough offensive line. You've got a great

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play designer, Liam Cohen. You have a quarterback that has all the physical tools and as we saw in the

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second half of last season when he's not turning the ball over or taking unnecessary sacks,

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he can keep a good offensive float. He can't, it's not just average, he can genuinely be the

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driving force in the passing game for an offense that is above average. That is in that top eight,

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top 10 area across the league. And I think I have a lot of trust in that as well as the explosive

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play potential with some of their best players. Like I would not be surprised at all if we're sitting

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here at the beginning of October and Jacksonville has a high-

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explosive play rate in the league because they do have so many guys with game breaking speed and you've

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got a great offensive play collar to design plays for those players. I love the word you use trust

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there because that's really what I think the Jaguars ranking comes down to. I don't have them on my list.

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I had them on my list. You know, I have five or six just missed. They were just missed for me.

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I want to see it again from Trevor Lawrence and Liam Cohen because I think they really,

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you're right by the end of last season. I mean, I was taken back to the playoffs. Like if you were

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predicting that the Jaguars could make the Super Bowl, you weren't crazy. Like they were playing really

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well towards the end of the season there, going into the postseason. It felt like you said they found

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something after that Jacobi Myers trade was sort of, it feels weird to say. It's not like

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Pukka, Pukka Niko or JSN, but it's like he really did kind of help them as a complimentary piece with

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the other players that they have. And they only had him for what half the season and now they get him

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for the full season. So I do like that. I do believe in Liam Cohen. I think he's a fun character

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because he seems willing to antagonize other teams, other coaches mix it up, which listen, I grew up

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at a time where there were a lot of characters in the NFL. Robert Seller in the same division now.

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So we might get some fireworks. I love it. I'm a pretty, I'm probably a little bit slower to embrace

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the Trevor Lawrence has found it now. He has all the physical tools he's putting it all together.

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I have no questions about it. Then maybe some others. I see the upside. He absolutely played better

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last year was nice to see him and kind of an offensive infrastructure like that. I just kind of

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need to see it again from both these guys. Because Cohen's personality is a little volatile. You know,

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I'm like, huh, if this doesn't go well, like, you know, what's that building going to be like? I don't

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necessarily love the move their front office has made. But I don't think you're, you know, like I

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said, they just miss on mine. And that was just because I didn't have that full trust that what we

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saw in the second half of last year is going to carry over. Because if you look at the whole season,

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they were 14th in EPA per drive, 14th in DBOA. Like if you take the bigger sample, it wasn't quite as good

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as my head remembered. But again, it got better as the season went on last year.

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I mean, your point about Trevor Lawrence is well made, right? And I think that for me,

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the question that is just going to hover outside of like Travis Hunter or what his usage is going to be

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and Brian Thomas Jr. and whether or not he can take a step forward again, the way that you look

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does a rookie if he can kind of recapture some of that. The real question to me is just like,

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what do you actually believe about this offense? Do you believe that Trevor Lawrence just got hot

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for a little bit? Or do you believe that the last half of that season and really how they played in

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a playoff game against Buffalo as well? Because I thought that he played pretty well prior to that

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game ending interception too, it's whether or not you believe that Liam Cohen provides him with the

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high enough floor that Trevor Lawrence just has not had in his career where the structure is not

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going to bottom out around him and force him to be a quarterback. But we just haven't really seen

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in the league, right? I think that what we've seen where there's been Urban Meyer on the last two

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seasons with Doug Peterson is that when the structure of the offense falters, we just have not seen

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often enough Trevor Lawrence be able to go into, you know, that Patrick Mahomes, I can bail you out

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of any situation that Josh Allen, you know, that elite tier of quarterbacks where it almost doesn't

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matter what the play call is, it can make anything look good because they can extend plays because

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they can push the ball downfield because they are a threat as a scramble. He obviously has pieces

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of each of those tools that I have named. We just haven't seen it consistently enough to make us

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believe that, hey, if it's the second half and this team is trailing 14 points and Liam Cohen

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doesn't have his fastball that Trevor Lawrence is the guy that's going to drag you out of it.

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I think that maybe I'm just leaning more on the side of Cohen has bought enough good will with me

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to make me believe that what we saw on the ground game, what we saw on the play action, the screen

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game, some of those quick passes is something that you can replicate from last year to this year

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and that might be enough to kind of buttress some of the other volatility that might make me feel a

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little bit more uncertain about where this offense is right now. Yeah, I mean Cohen's done it back

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to back seasons, different quarterbacks, different personnel, different teams. So, you know, I don't

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think anyone's wrong to be bullish on it. I personally just want to see another year there. All right,

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so Deontay's got the Jaguars. Number 10, I don't have them in my top 10. This one we might be

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spending an hour on. I'm not sure. Deontay. Because I don't know if you're going to tell me I'm crazy

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because they're too low or I don't know if you're going to tell me you don't have them in your top 10.

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I've got the Kansas City Chiefs. This is who I was hoping we were talking about. At number 10. Okay,

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so the case for the Chiefs is pretty obvious. You just say there are maybe two quarterbacks in the NFL,

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maybe more than that if you want to add a couple of, but my homes and Josh Allen, we can say if they're

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healthy and on the field, the floor is going to only be so low for that offense. We've seen it with

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a big sample. We've seen it with different personnel around them. And I was even looking at the

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numbers last year, but before my homes got injured, if you just look at how the offense was playing,

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it was actually fourth in EPA per play. Like, just this is only statistically. I know our I test,

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didn't match it. I understand we watched the games, but just statistically, the performance of that

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offense with my homes last year was on the same level as a team like the Cowboys. It was better

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than what we saw from the Bears and the 49ers. So I looked at that and I go, all right, you know,

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he's I know he's coming off the injury. Maybe I should have him even higher than this. But then I

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just looked at the pieces around him. They fixed and they didn't fix the pieces around him. The

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pieces that made us so frustrated, not only last year, the year before. I remember us doing that

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pod after the Super Bowl against the Eagles being like, they need to like make a splash to add some

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firepower to this offense. And here we are a couple seasons later. And they still haven't done that.

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And now I'm like, well, he's 31. He's coming off an injury. The old line could be good, but I'm not

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sure they're going to be good. I don't think Kenneth Walker, Kenneth Walker could add more explosive

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runs. He will add more explosive runs. But, you know, is that going to make a huge impact? And then

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I was thinking about Andy Reed and conversations we've had about does he still have his fastball?

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And I'm not sure that he does. So I kind of chickened out. You know, I could have gone, they're not in

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my top 10 chiefs are in a top 10 offense. Let's put that on his. That's our Instagram post for this

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week. And I wasn't willing to go that far. And I also wasn't willing to be the guy that going,

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don't sleep on the chiefs. You all count them out. Oh, you love the chargers and the Broncos, but

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the chiefs don't fr- I didn't do that either. I'm just kind of like, I think they're going to be

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above average top 10, but we're still going to be frustrated with them. Deontay, where do you come

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down on the Kansas City Chiefs? This is so funny. I think that we have two different versions of

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cop-out answers, right? You putting them at 10 is a very safe thing to do, right? Because if they're

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there, you could say, Hey, I didn't bail on my homes coming off of one bad year. You know, and if

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they aren't, it's like, Hey, man, they're on the fringes for me anyway. So they I thought they

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could have gone either way. I had another cop out here. I just kind of put them in that 15-16 range

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where like, that is my genuine- So you got an out of here. I've got them outside of the top 10.

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I mean, I don't know that I think that there'll be a bad offense given given my assumption that

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Patrick Mahomes will be healthy, right? I think that as long as he's available, what he does for

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this offense, even if he's not scrambling as often because he's, you know, maybe nervous about the

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knee or maybe just by coaching, they're trying to get the ball out of his hands, whether it's by run

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game or quick passes, so that way he doesn't have to extend as much. He still just does so much to

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lift the floor for this offense that I can see a world in which he is leading a top 10 offense.

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I think for me, it just comes back to supporting Kat. Same thing you were saying, right? Like,

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I don't have any reason to trust for she writes right now, right? And some of that is on field.

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A lot of it is off field, right? And, you know, I just need to see it from a guy like him first.

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I think we also need to see that Kenneth Walker can genuinely be that bell cow. That three down,

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you can lean on me for 300 touches in a season and I'll be just fine. I'll be just as good by

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week 18 as I was in week eight. I think that we need to see that because we have seen him be

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dinged up and nicked up prior to last season, right? Last season was a lot of kind of

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provocation area. And he was still sharing that workload with Zach Charbonne, right? So I'm

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very curious to see what it looks like with him being a true featured. You've got to lead

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this part of our offense type of running back. And outside of rice, you're talking about

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Travis Kelsey, who even if he's at his absolute freshest at this age, you still have to be wary

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of age cliff production drop off, right? And what he's going to look like for another 17 games,

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plus a playoff run if he is healthy enough to be able to push this team into the post season.

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So yeah, I don't think that this is going to be like the 22nd best offense or anything.

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It's just like as you start pulling the threads around Patrick Mahomes and looking at some of

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these component parts, um, and evacuum and then in comparison to some of the other teams that we

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will consider being these, you know, top 10 top eight offense is with the bullet. It's really

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hard to line this up in a way that doesn't just ask you to put all the weight of this offense back

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on number 15 shoulders and just fresh off an ACL. Like I just don't know if I'm comfortable doing

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that. At least not started this year. Yeah, I like this grandling point you made because some of

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the statistics from last year are just a result of like he was making plates with his legs when

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stuff broke down. I mean, it felt like he was running more than he ever had in his career. And so

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now if you're 31 coming off an ACL, I don't think that's the way you would really want to play

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early in the season. You know, once you get to crunch time December playoffs, sure, but I don't

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think that's going to be something you want to lean on to carry the offense early on. So there's

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there's definitely some variance there. Like you said, there's not huge variance, you know, I think

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if they're like lower than 20, I think that would and Mahomes is actually playing. I think that

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was done pretty much everyone. If they're top five, I think that would surprise most people. Maybe,

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you know, maybe you just have blind faith in Mahomes, but you know, they haven't been a great offense

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for three straight years. They finished between nine and 13. So they've been right in the range.

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We're talking about this isn't the early years Mahomes where it's just like put them down for top

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five every year. You can rely on it. And I don't think that has been Mahomes. I think a lot of it

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has been the way they've built this team and a lot of mistakes that they've made. And again,

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like I said, maybe Andy Reed not being able to come up with answers. Maybe he's got something

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cooking this year. And that'll be the story of this season. But I don't think either of us are

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there right now. All right. Number nine, Dianne. So so far, we differed on our picks. What do you

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guys? Who's number nine? Number nine, we're going to go to Denver. I've got the Broncos at night

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for me. Oh, okay. And I think you could make the case that they could be higher, just given how

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efficient this offense has been. Over the last two seasons, I still am always going to be wary

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of Bonaix as a quarterback. But again, like this comes back to looking at the component parts. It's

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actually really interesting talking about Denver off the heels of talking about Kansas City, because

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you can't imagine two offenses set up differently in terms of the supports for their quarterbacks right

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now. Then you would see between the Broncos and Chiefs, but they've had an offensive line that

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stayed unusually healthy for the last two years. You very rarely get your five starters throughout

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the through a season and back to back years away, the Denver has been. They really have not had to

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suffer much attrition from a health perspective up front, which has helped them stay stable in terms

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of a run game and spider the fact that they don't have dynamic playmakers in the backfield playing

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beside Bonaix. They've always been able to kind of dial up these screens, these quick passes, these

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bootlegs. They just get the ball out of Nix's hands quickly and allow people to go try to create

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some yards underneath. And they did the perfect thing for that style of offense this off season by

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adding a player like Jalen Lotto, right? Like this is a receiver that can turn a hitch, you know,

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that should be a six yard gain into a 46 yard gain, right? If not, it touched down outright.

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If you can add that type of dynamic ability and if you believe that, that alleviates impression on

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a guy like Kourtney Sutton, who's probably best as like a 1A1B or maybe number two option,

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sharing the field with another guy that kind of fits that role, that might open up enough of the

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offense where again, it might not be pretty every week because they just surround Peyton's offense is

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even with maybe Davis, Davis web calling it, which I am curious to see how that turns out.

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They always kind of have these weeks where they sputter or they're just kind of sitting on the ball

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in person second downs and just barely getting it across the chains on the thirds. But I think that

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in those high leverage moments having someone like Waddle with the institutional buildup that they

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already have in terms of supports around Bonaix, I would not be shocked at all if this is a top 10

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offense. It probably wouldn't be all that surprising if it's a top five offense.

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I was so tempted, Deontay. They're not on my list. They were my just missed.

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I was really tempted. You made the reasonable case and they really are, they do stick out a little

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in terms of which offense could really make a nice leap this season because of that addition,

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because Bonaix is in his 30 year. They were probably somewhere between 11th and 15th, depending on

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whatever metric you want to look at from last year. You mentioned the online continuity,

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unless I'm mistaken, unless I got the stat wrong here. It looked to me like they had 15 players

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last year on offense who played at least 300 snaps and all 15 are back on the team this year and

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you added Jill and Waddle. There's literally no other team in the NFL. You can actually say that

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about it. And you mentioned it. The case for the Broncos being a Super Bowl team is just like,

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they're built really, they're loaded with talent. I mean, you look at them, their depth chart

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compared to some of these other teams in the AFC or in the NFL and they have an edge against most

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of these teams. So the only thing that as I was deciding, all right, so I want to put them up

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there. And I thought, all right, Nix is coming off these multiple ankle procedures in the offseason.

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I like his athleticism, his mobility is a big deal. The way he really avoids sacks and doesn't

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set them back on almost any possession. He's one of the best in the NFL at that. That and then

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I mean, the Davis Web thinks just weird. How am I supposed to analyze that? The on-day. How

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am I supposed to analyze one of the best play callers and offensive coaches in the last 25 years

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with the biggest ego in the NFL being like, I'm giving up play calling duties to this guy who's

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never really done it before. I don't know how to analyze that. I mean, and I can't tell you that

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it's not going to be a disaster, right? Like, but then Payneville just grabbed that play sheet

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if it is. So maybe it's not that big of a deal. I don't know. I was I was joking with our colleagues

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Austin Gale and Steve Ruiz a couple of weeks ago that if I were if I were Davis Web, I wouldn't

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want to be calling offense at practice from the press box if I could just to put as much distance

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as possible between me and Sean Payton. And I think I saw a report this over this weekend that he's

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going to be right there on the sideline calling the offense. And I just cannot imagine when we get

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to that Sunday night football game or that Monday night football game and you get a disaster third

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down and you get that three way arguing match between Davis Web, both Nixon, Sean Payton,

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right? And then you're going to hear those reports about how Sean Payton is mulling whether or

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not he needs to take back play calling, right? So I think that there is, you know, maybe a powder

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keg element happening in Denver because they are, you know, trying to hand over play calling duties

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to an improving commodity in Davis Web. Again, though, like, it just comes back to infrastructure.

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I think that the only thing I'm really concerned about with this team is health. And it is

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entirely possible that they are totally undercut by health because there is a way to read what you

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gave me in terms of the data of all the returning starters and returning production they're bringing

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back. And sometimes that can be a harbure or something going wrong, right? It is very rare that all

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of your top producers come back that have been there a year over year that play a high level of

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snaps that are never heard being able to get through another season with that type of good fortune.

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And for a strong a supporting cast of this team has they don't really have a lot of explosive

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potential, which is why they went out and got jail and waddle in the first place. And if they miss

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him for any time, if they miss someone like Portland Sutton, if the interior of this offensive line

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suffers from any attrition. We saw this in Philadelphia last year or guys who have hundreds of

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snaps of, you know, banging each other in a run game all of a sudden just can't get the same

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amount of movement. We can see some ugly warts in this offense really show a little bit more.

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So I'm just fascinating to see how that plays out. But on the assumption that what we've seen over

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the last two seasons that will get us some kind of facsimile of that in 2026 leaves me to believe

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pretty strongly that Denver will be one of the better offenses in the NFL. I like Peyton,

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Nick's, Waddle Sutton, and maybe the best offensive line in the NFL. I mean, we could throw it all

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other analysis and be like, yeah, that sound, you know, that sounds to me like it should be an

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inoffence that ranks in the top 10. I had him again just outside the top 10. But I'm glad that

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Deonte, I like this. We're dead. We don't have a single common one. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see if that

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very 16 plus. All right, we are back here on the ringer. NFL show Deonte, you know what? I should

25:19

have got my cheesehead prop over there, but I'm not going to interrupt the pod and go walk over

25:24

and get it. I've got the green bay packers at number nine and this was really a lot of the analytical

25:31

part of my brain was like you got to have them in there. She'll like just look I mean the floor's

25:36

history here. It's kind of wild. If you look at it seven seasons in green bay, his offense has

25:42

been in the top 10 six of those times and never lower than 12 like the floor. I don't think he's

25:49

perfect. I think there's game management stuff. I think there's stuff with hiring a staff that I'm

25:54

like, well, I wish you would do that different, but just in terms of getting an offense to play at a

26:00

certain level, he really deserves to be mentioned with almost any play caller in the entire NFL. So

26:06

I saw that I know Jordan love is kind of a nice become a polarizing guy. It feels like, you

26:12

know, there's always like one quarter back every summer. I don't know if it's him or not. It might

26:15

be a good one of the guys. I feel like he and Justin Herbert are like it's an NFC, AFC version like

26:21

pro parlories of each other. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think the thing with Jordan love and I think

26:26

the reason why he has skeptics is because his bad play. I used to think about this early in

26:32

Josh Allen's career. His bad plays are really bad where if you're not like watching him every week

26:38

or you don't care about the analytics, he's like, I'm sitting down on a Sunday watching Jordan love

26:43

and he might make a play like what a boneheaded play. It's the guy every podcasters telling me is

26:48

one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL. The thing is he doesn't make a lot of bad plays. Like

26:54

if you just like the frequency with which he makes negative plays, he's almost what he's like one

26:58

of the best quarterbacks in the entire NFL at avoiding negative plays. But when he does have the

27:02

head scratch here, you're just like throwing your remote at the TV. So that's my theory on Jordan

27:09

love. But I mean, if you just look at it last three years, he ranked second in the NFL in EPA

27:14

for past play. He hunts explosive. So it might not look great down to down, but he's going to hit

27:19

on those explosive plays. And I think LaFour Deserves credit for that as well. I'm not totally sure

27:25

about the O line here this year. They did lose some, you know, a good amount of players from last

27:33

year, but they kind of that's happened before and they have guy step up Matthew Golden. I think it's

27:38

one of the really one of the key players, maybe in the NFC. If he can be a really good wide receiver,

27:43

the guy they thought they were drafting, then I think Green Bay ceilings little higher. So I don't

27:47

have them top five. But I do think they're going to be a top 10 offense this season. Where are you

27:53

on the Green Bay Packers? I had them 11 and it all comes back to just some of the questions

27:58

that I have that you were kind of laying out here. And this is not just specific to their offense.

28:03

I think across this roster, we've seen a lot of their depth just be slowly stripped away over the

28:07

last two to three off seasons. And now when you go and look at their depth chart, it's like, man,

28:11

this used to be a team where I felt like it didn't even matter who their number ones and number

28:15

twos were on either side of the ball because they just had so much to backfill around them to be

28:20

able to kind of aggregate that level of production across their roster. I think this team right now

28:26

is much more positioned to need Jordan love to perform like a first team all pro MVP caliber quarterback

28:31

to really need Tucker craft. I think it was just activated off of pup over this weekend to be there

28:36

and available and looking the way that he did to start off the 2025 season. And on top of that,

28:42

guys like Jaden Reed, guys like Christian Watson, it's really not even a matter of what you can

28:47

produce because I think that we've seen them year over year be strong, you know, production guys

28:52

when they're available, they just have to be available, right? Like the conditions that have

28:57

derailed the packers seasons over the last couple of years, whether it's been, you know, an

29:01

opportune injury with this offensive line. Christian Watson having a miss a month, Jaden Reed being

29:07

kind of 80 or 75% of himself over five to six weeks because he's nursing some nagging injury.

29:13

Those are the reasons why I have them out of the top 10. And I think that that's also the reason

29:17

why there's so much pressure on this team to deliver on all of the young promise that they have.

29:21

They don't really have any other pathway to be a contender that I think they can be. They 100%

29:26

need this offensive line to be above its level. They definitely need Jaden Reed and Christian Watson to be

29:32

number one, number two receiver types. And I think the Jordan love is going to have to be a star

29:36

for them to be that in the event that they're able to check off two out of those three boxes.

29:41

This could end up being the number one seed in the NFC. Like I think that they have that kind of

29:45

ceiling with their offense, right? At least they will be in that conversation. I think with Seattle and

29:50

Los Angeles. Short of that though, we could certainly see another season where Madelah Flour is,

29:57

you know, feeling a seat getting more and we're having more conversations about, hey,

30:01

are there going to be some mutual parting of ways? Is it ever going to happen for Green Bay

30:06

in the Jordan love era? I think that all of these things are on the table. It is a high stress

30:10

environment for Green Bay. And I wouldn't be surprised if they were great again. I just think I need

30:14

to see health and then consistency on a week by week basis by the players out around Jordan love

30:20

more than anything. Yeah, La Flour is kind of how I described love earlier. It's kind of similar where

30:26

if you just look at the profile reference page or like it's kind of unassailable that he's one of

30:30

the better coaches in the NFL. If you just watched him coach playoff games over the last few years,

30:37

you'd be like, you think it needed to be fired two years ago? Yeah, you would be used to be fired.

30:41

Right. So they're kind of aligned there. I love the point you made about the old line. I think

30:46

that might be the biggest one. Love splits last year. Very different. Clean versus pressure. He was

30:53

first in EPA for past play when kept clean 13 when pressured where I know me personally, I hadn't

30:59

always thought about him as that kind of guy in those stats can be noisy year to year. It doesn't

31:03

mean it's going to be like that again this year. But if you feel like their old line might take a

31:06

step back this year, which I think would be a reasonable case to be made, then that could really

31:11

impact Jordan love in a way that maybe it's more so than other quarterbacks there. So

31:17

and then there's just always that like they run the ball so much on early downloads where you're like,

31:22

I like Jordan love the stats like Jordan love, but does Matt La Flour like Jordan love because

31:26

they run the ball at the third highest rate in the NFL. I think it was Richard Sherman on a

31:30

broadcast last year. It was like he doesn't like trust. It might not have been him, but for some

31:35

reason he's the one in my head is like does he trust his quarterback and I'm like, I mean that kind

31:38

of is true statistically. It's fair to ask that question when you look at the way they play. So yeah,

31:43

I think there are questions about him. I leaned on the history here. It is funny to kind of talk

31:48

about just like where his stock is because I think if we woke up tomorrow, we found out that since

31:51

an adding green Bay had traded their head coaches straight up, I will look at Cincinnati and be like,

31:55

there's no reason why this team can't be in the AFC Championship game. It was Matt La Flour calling

31:59

their offense. Yeah, I woke up tomorrow and found out that Andy Reed and Matt La Flour traded places

32:05

and they're telling me that Matt La Flour gets to work with Patrick Mahomes and how he kind of

32:09

uses his spread, the spread iteration of the Shanahehmic Bay System. I would have no reason not to

32:14

have Kansas City as a potential top 10 offense. Even with all of the holes that we were talking about

32:19

them having earlier, that said, I still 100% recognize all the disappointments that we've seen in

32:24

the playoffs. You've seen his offense be out physicaled by Chicago last year. That was not the most

32:30

physical defense in the NFL. We have seen them bump into San Francisco and other teams that have

32:35

just really been able to control the line of scrimmage and really been able to take away some of

32:38

the things I want to do most in terms of pushing the ball down field off the play action game.

32:43

I need to see this team have an answer, right? A legitimate, dependable answer in those scenarios.

32:49

And this comes back to just the stress that there is on this team to deliver on being. Not really a

32:54

top 10 offense or really a top five offense because that's what it's going to take to beat the top

32:58

teams in the NFC. So that is that is the team I'm going to have my eye on. I would not be surprised

33:03

again if they're right there. But for me, until I see Watson Reed, Matthew Golden performing like they

33:10

can be pro bowl players overs, the stretch of a full 17 game season, I am going to withhold optimism.

33:17

All right. Number eight, Deonte. Who do you got? Let's see if we can finally agree on the team. Let's

33:22

say we're standing in the NFC North here. I'm going to go with the Detroit Lions.

33:26

Okay. We both have the Detroit Lions in our top 10. I got them all the way up at number four.

33:34

Interesting. You're really buying a Drew Petsing then. Well, you make your case for why you have

33:40

them at eight and then let's see where you're at and I can tell you where maybe I disagree or

33:45

I'm a little more bullish. I mean, that's where it begins with me is Drew Petsing and I think trying

33:50

to port over some of the things that he did well in Arizona to what's already available in Detroit.

33:55

Right. Like I think that one of the positives, one of the true positives of his time with the

34:00

Cardinals was that he was, I don't want to say inventive, but I think he was willing to kind of ride

34:06

the tide with his run game. You have a mobile quarterback and Kyler Murray who needs to be in the

34:10

gun and needs to be more spread out. We saw them kind of embrace multiple tight ends out of the

34:15

gun and you're running a bunch of gap school to try to manufacture explosive plays and off of

34:20

that now you can use your quarterback in the option game to be able to take advantage of

34:25

over aggressive defenses who are really trying to crash down to take away those openings between

34:29

the tackles. I think that in Detroit, it's not going to be that way because Jared Boff is obviously

34:34

not as mobile as the Kyler Murray is, but you have an offensive line that can that they are trying

34:38

to rebuild or retool to be able to move people again on the interior. And I think that's part of

34:43

the reason why he got hired is that they probably looked at all the different ways in which Drew

34:47

Petsing was able to take a bad offensive line in Arizona, a very specific style of play with Kyler

34:53

Murray. It still be able to generate some interesting run games. And I think the Dan Campbell ultimately

34:58

views the best version of Detroit as one that can do that, that can pound teams in between the

35:03

tackles. And I think the Petsing can be that ultimately whether or not this is a eight to ten

35:09

offense or a three to five offense really comes back to Jared Boff, right? And I think that

35:14

that is one thing that I don't have a good answer for because we just never saw Arizona string

35:19

together prolific passing attacks on a week to week basics often enough under Petsing for me to

35:25

feel like this really can be uppercrust NFL offensively. But I do think that the run game will be

35:31

strong enough. They'll be explosive again. You have Jameer Gibbs. You should have a healthy

35:36

Sam LaPorta. I think that between the tackles, it can still be one of the five best teams in the

35:40

league. And then the ceiling ultimately is going to be determined on whether or not Jared Gough

35:45

can fight away the eight an incoming age cliff eventually and still be able to push the ball

35:49

downfield in the play action passing game. Yeah, I just I'm not like Drew Petsing's going to be

35:55

bill walled and take him to another level. I just feel like it will be a little more settled

35:59

this year. You know, last year was like coming off of Ben Johnson and Campbell hires a guy and then

36:04

takes away play calling duties for like it's going to be one person's sort of voice and structure

36:10

and foundation year in Drew Petsing. And I just feel like last year was not as bad as maybe our

36:16

minds remember. You know, I think they got a little unlucky. I'm not saying it was perfect. There

36:20

were some ups and downs for sure. When you look at it, their offense was sixth in EPA per drive in

36:26

seventh and DVOA last year. And they finished between between three and eight for four straight

36:32

seasons. So I just looked at it like there's kind of a small window here where it's made might not

36:36

matter who the offensive coordinator is because they are loaded with talent with maybe the best

36:42

version of James and Williams. We've seen I'm on Ross St Brown, LaPorta, Jamira Gibbs. Like when

36:48

you have all those guys and you're just a defensive coordinator getting ready to face the lions,

36:53

it's hard because you need to have answers for how you're going to cover all those guys,

36:57

how you're going to count for all those guys. I thought the run game, you know,

37:01

it was kind of hit or missed last year. Like there were times early in the first half of last season,

37:05

where all my Jamira Gibbs looks like the best player in football. Like he's just taking over games

37:09

and then you look at some of the numbers and it wasn't down to down the consistency of the run game

37:14

really wasn't there. So the O line, this is kind of a running theme. They did make some changes there.

37:20

They're kind of relying on some young players up front. But I think the O line's still going to be

37:25

above average. I think the supporting cast is terrific. And we know who Jared Goffis at this

37:31

point in his career. If kind of the infrastructures there, if the conditions are favorable, he can

37:36

dice you up and you can be like, how can anyone say this guy is not a phenomenal quarterback.

37:41

And if some of those things start to falter and he faces some pressure, then all of a sudden,

37:46

he gets kind of like what I mentioned with Jordan Love, probably to a much greater extent where he's

37:51

really going to crumble under that pressure. So I just felt good about it. I felt really good about

37:56

them being in like the top eight. And then I was like, well, why can't they be a little bit better

38:01

than they were last year with some more stability with the play collar. So I have the Lions at four.

38:07

Deonte has them at eight. But we finally, Deonte agree on one team in the top 10. There you go.

38:14

It's like long enough. I'm here. I know we have, but we're going to have a lot in the top five that

38:19

are probably aligned. But I am interested about six and seven as well. All right. Well, let me get

38:24

you my eighth number eight team here, Deonte. And am I a sucker for a coach who mentions regression

38:31

in a press conference? Possibly. Yeah. Maybe I had him at 12 or 13, but I'm like, all right,

38:37

Ben Johnson's just going to pander to the nerds like me that I'm going to go ahead and have the bears

38:43

in my top 10. So I got Chicago here at number eight, Deonte. Are the bears in Deonte,

38:50

least top 10? Or did they just miss? They just missed there in that 10 to 14 range again with

38:56

with the cluster of teams that could be in there. But I'm just not really ready to to totally jump in

39:02

with them. But make your case. Well, what are you looking at with Chicago that makes you believe

39:05

there'll be a top 10 offense this year? Well, there really is. I mean, the nerd part of my brains,

39:09

like there really is a strong case for them to not be in the top 10 because they were ninth last

39:14

year. And if you look at it, they were second in turnover repays. So that just means that, you know,

39:20

how, how much was each team hurt by turnovers last year? Only one offense was hurt less than the bears

39:27

by turnovers last year. And that's not something you can really count on year to year. They stayed

39:31

relatively healthy. They were eighth in FTN's adjusted games, loss metric, which means they had the

39:36

eighth healthiest offense in the NFL. So I factored those things in. And then I'm just like,

39:42

I trust Ben Johnson to figure this thing out the way he just figured out that run game last year

39:48

and how good that run game was in his first season, or maybe he didn't even have all the guys he

39:52

wanted. I'm like, all right, that's something you can lean on. The run game. I like that Caleb Williams

39:57

is going to avoid sacks at one of the, you know, one of the best rates in the NFL. That, all right,

40:04

the offensive line isn't perfect. There's going to be some pressure, but you know what? He's

40:08

going to be able to escape some of those with his legs. I know he can create those high degree of

40:13

difficulty plays. And so I'm not like all in where I'm like, oh, Caleb Williams is going to win MVP

40:19

and be a top five quarterback this year. I do think that's in play with his upside. You know,

40:24

I like, I don't think you're crazy. If you want to make that prediction, I do want to see that

40:28

consistency from him. I have some questions about the old line, but this came down to talented

40:34

quarterback. Coach, I really trust what I saw last year that they're going to avoid taking a major

40:41

step back. So that's my case. I don't hate it. I think that for me, my hang up is that this run game

40:47

was really reliant on Joe Tuney, who's entering his mid 30s. Jonah Jackson, who just could not get healthy

40:53

in Los Angeles. And then, you know, kind of finds, you know, finds himself in Chicago and all of a

40:58

sudden he's good to go. I don't know if I'm as comfortable with really relying on those guys.

41:04

That said, I mean, tackles a question. Yeah, the old line is a question. There's no doubt about it.

41:09

You know, so there is a lot to be uncomfortable with upfront. I think that there's a fair

41:15

counter argument that all those questions exist last year. And they had absolutely no problem.

41:20

Just dominating teams between the tackles, especially in the second half of the season.

41:24

And then you look at their skill position group. And despite of not having anybody who really

41:28

screams out all pro in 2026, outside of maybe coast and leveling. And whatever you believe

41:33

with Caleb Williams and his ceiling to be in his third season, the receiving court is pretty well

41:39

built. Right? Like, I think you can make a case that they have all the skill sets they need.

41:43

And maybe just not enough of the name recognition outside of their young star quarter rack.

41:48

Right? I wouldn't be surprised at all. Of course, in leveling leads all tight ends and passing touch

41:52

and receiving touch. You could be in all pro. Yeah, he's 100% pro with tight ends. You know, based on what

41:57

we saw over the last five, six weeks of the year, I mean, there was a room like this might be the

42:00

most unguarded will tight end short of training with bride and the league, right? Like teams just couldn't

42:04

do anything with them in the red zone. They couldn't do anything with them once they were in plus

42:08

territory because he is so consistent at being able to get open. And Ben Johnson has done such a great

42:13

job of mixing up where he's aligned and really kind of growing out his route tree. I think that the

42:18

two players that would need to show up to make this happen outside of some of the guys we talked

42:24

about will be Luther Burton and Roma Dune say. Yeah. Right? I think that last year going into last

42:28

year, I was really excited for what Roma does they could have been for a Ben Johnson offense. We

42:33

just didn't really see it come to fruition. Right? I think that now there's no DJ more so I

42:38

was more necessity. So maybe you're going to see more targets just by just being forced to them

42:42

because there aren't many other places for the ball to go. And then Luther Burton, I think needs to be

42:47

maybe not exactly a Jalen model for this offense. But some kind of some kind of version of that,

42:53

right? Like you think about guys like Ladma Conkey, you know, I mentioned Jalen model. These guys who

42:57

can take these underneath passes and even if you're not breaking them out for touchdowns, you can go turn

43:03

what should be just a six yard gain to keep you on schedule into a chunk gain, right? That changes

43:08

the shape of a drive, right? I think that Burton kind of sells that sold that. That was part of the reason

43:14

why he was drafted. You know, in the top 100 coming into the league, I think that clearly if you

43:19

listen to Ben Johnson's comments at training camp and throughout the mini camp air time of the year,

43:24

he clearly believes that that's on the table for Luther Burton. There seems to be a lot of expectations

43:28

that he's going to step in and be either the Yamada Ross St. Brown of this offense or something more

43:33

close to kind of what I was talking about in terms of those like ultimate yacht threats. And if

43:37

those two things happen, this could 100% be a top 10 offense, even if the offensive line and run

43:42

game takes a step back. But again, there's just a lot hanging up in the air in terms of what we can

43:47

expect from last year carrying over to this year. And the thing that really holds me up is that

43:52

their first and second down rushing success rate was third in the league last year. The two teams

43:56

air behind the Rams and Bills, two teams that have proven already over a two three year sample size.

44:02

That they can just mash teams no matter what you're doing to them defensively. We have not yet seen

44:08

that from this bear from the bear's up front. I think that Ben Johnson is capable of that as a play

44:12

caller. They just have not necessarily purchased enough goodwill with me just yet for me to think

44:17

that that's exactly what's going to happen this year. It's funny. Yeah, I'd say your view of the

44:23

bears is like my view of the Jaguar. I mean, it's really it's really very similar. I mean,

44:26

those two teams were kind of mirrored last year. Very similar. I'm around the same time.

44:30

Absolutely. The metrics kind of line up. Yeah. You know, between the two teams. So yeah, I think that

44:34

there is a case to make that if you're bullish on one, you should be bullish on the other. But

44:38

I think that just speaks to again, you have to pick one. How about that? Exactly. You can't be bullish on

44:42

both. Yeah. Yeah. So you know, and I think that out of those two teams, both could be top 10 and both

44:50

could 100% be 17th 18th because their run game takes a step back and maybe the turnover margin

44:56

regresses to something that makes them look a little worse, even if they are a more complete team

45:01

ultimately in 2026. Yeah. Two guys who look like bright offensive play callers who should be

45:06

around for a while. But you know what we've said that about other guys before. And it hasn't always

45:10

worked out. Two of the most talented quarterback prospects we've seen in the last decade when you're

45:15

just like, you know, is there anything that they can't do from a physical perspective? I would put both

45:21

those guys in that category. And now we see, you know, does it take get to another level with one of

45:27

these pairings, both of these pairings, neither of these pairings this year. By the way, if you don't know

45:32

what I was talking about the regression thing, I do need to remind myself not everyone's in hour,

45:37

NFL bubble. Ben Johnson was asked something about, you know, how do you deal with the bearers being

45:42

hyped coming off a strong season? And he was like, well, we're the number one regression candidate.

45:46

So I don't, you know, it's just last year you said something about EPA for past play this year regression.

45:53

It's very easy to, you know, just get me, but in the palm of your hands just like, all right,

45:59

she's going to say nice things about us and Ben Johnson's doing a couple of those things. All right,

46:04

so Dionys has got him out of just outside the top 10. I've got them at number eight. All right,

46:09

we move to number seven. Yeah. Dionys, so far the only team we both have in the top 10 is the

46:17

Detroit Lions. I have a feeling we're going to get on the same page a little bit more maybe right

46:22

about now. Who do you have? Who's number seven? So I think that very similar to how you refuse to be

46:27

on the wrong side of Patrick Mahomes season, we're like, hey, I'm just going to be safe and not

46:32

put myself in position where I'm getting clipped up by their social team. We're not believing in

46:36

them. I'm the same way with Baltimore. And at seven, I've got the Ravens, right? Okay. I think,

46:43

um, for me, the thing that the thing that I'm banking on ultimately is that Derek Henry is

46:49

Agilis and that Lamar Jackson can be in a lead quarterback in any system. Right. I think that we've

46:54

seen evidence of the two already, right? Lamar's, you know, transitioned to the Todd Munkin offense

46:59

was seamless, right? And he played like an MVP, um, with Todd Munkin, you know, when he was healthy.

47:04

And last year prior to the hamstring injury, even though he wasn't playing his best ball, you know,

47:09

in some of the, we were seeing some interceptions for the most part. His dropbacks, you know, on a

47:14

play to play basis, we're still looking relatively strong in the first, uh, first month or so of the

47:19

season outside of that chiefs game. I think that I believe, well, what I really believe is that

47:23

Declan Doyle, if he was able to bring over the Ben Johnson offense in terms of under center run

47:29

to set up easy play action passes, which means now Lamar Jackson does not have to risk his legs

47:35

as often on early downs that we can get to something a little more akin to what we've seen in Buffalo.

47:41

Right. With Josh Allen where he doesn't have to do a ton of heavy lifting on person second down,

47:46

which does free him up in the red zone in these third and obvious passing situations to just be

47:51

the ultimate eraser of any issues that that offense has with the bills. I think that ultimately,

47:56

that's what Declan Doyle is probably going to seek out to try to build around the Mar Jackson.

48:01

And if there are young receivers or unproven receivers, which there are a lot of questions about

48:05

that receiving core coming into this season, if one of those young guys can break out or if Zay flowers

48:11

can be a week to week threat, the way that we've seen in fits and starts throughout his career,

48:16

then I think it's probably a little more comfortable for me making them a top 10 team.

48:20

Right now, this is a lot of wish casting and me saying, maybe you'd be level quarterback,

48:24

offensive player of the year level, running back. I'm just going to bank on those two Hall of Fame

48:28

talents being able to figure it out in any offensive ecosystem. And I do have a lot of belief that

48:34

Declan Doyle can give me some version of what we saw in Chicago last year with with the Mar Jackson

48:40

in this. Oh, there's for sure a high ceiling there. Just I mean, it took very basic level.

48:45

What you said there when you have a quarterback who's won MVP twice and you feel like you're

48:49

putting in him in a scheme that's going to work. It could be fireworks where we're saying, man,

48:54

why didn't they, you know, they should have done this four years ago or something like that. So

48:58

I think that's in play. I have just missing the cut, Deonte. And it's probably not that surprised

49:05

because you were laying out some of the question marks here. The two big questions I have about the

49:09

Ravens and I want your to the first question is, is this supporting cast good enough? I mean,

49:16

I look at this and you mentioned you're like, Zave Flowers and who else is then what? Yeah, it

49:22

is catching. I mean, if he's out for a month, who were you throwing the football to in this offense?

49:28

Yeah. Now, like you said, there always could be an unexpected player who rises up and you're like,

49:32

okay, they, but that's not a sure thing when you compare into a team like the Lions, we just

49:36

discussed or some of these other teams. It's like, no, I know. They lose one guy. You have all

49:41

those guys, defensive coordinators are sweating. Derek Henry, Lamar Jackson, Zave Flowers, like,

49:47

is, you know, I'm not saying that's easy to defend, but just in terms of the passing game,

49:52

I don't think they have the type of options that I would like a team to have if Lamar Jackson

49:58

my quarterback, that's one. And then the old, are we sure the old line's going to be good this year?

50:04

In Baltimore, are you that's a position conversation piece? Okay, I don't know if I'm bullish. I think

50:09

I'm willing to believe that they can be league average. And I think that what Jackson and Henry

50:14

can do, even with the league average offensive line is enough to get them over the hump and to

50:19

be in the top 10 offense. And I think honestly, prior to them signing, Ethan Poshik, and this is

50:24

me assuming that it's going to be healthy and available and that is best self. Obviously, I know

50:29

he got cleared right before he signed well, Baltimore and it seemed like there are some positive

50:33

signs for his health for the 2026 season. And I'm maybe I'm just wanting to spend enough disbelief

50:38

to believe in that prior to when it was just Danny Pinter and you know, and rookie and Vega,

50:43

Yuanay and John Simpson at this age with the tread on tires like we are we are kind of we're

50:51

we're pretty tense about what this might look like. So yeah, at their absolute best, I still think

50:56

this is probably maybe only the 12 to 14th best offensive line. And I think the median outcome

51:00

probably is something closer to 18th 19th in the league. And then you're just asking your quarterback

51:06

to lift that level. We've seen him do that. We've seen Derek Henry do that. But a lot of that

51:11

I think is going to be reliant upon Zay flowers being the best version of himself. Honestly,

51:16

Rashad Bateman, I don't know if I don't know where you're at was Bateman. I haven't totally bailed

51:22

on the ability. I think that the expectation that he was going to fold into a number one receiver

51:26

role clearly is passed and by. And I think that maybe a Jacobi Lane has to be one of those

51:32

third down DeAndre Hopkins as you can just throw the ball up and he's going to go catch everything

51:37

which was on tape coming out of USC. But that is a big ask for a work to receiver, right?

51:42

Who didn't have a complete route tree coming into the league anyhow. There's a lot up in the air

51:48

with them. Maybe more than any team that I've talked about being in the top 10 so far. But ultimately,

51:52

I think again, I'm just going to bank on their superstar talent at quarterback and running back

51:57

being enough to figure this out. Okay, so here's my other question. So one was about the supporting

52:01

cast and we'll do this a little deep dive on the Ravens here. But I think they are a very interesting

52:06

team going into the season. Is Lamar Jackson entering a different phase of his career or was he

52:13

just playing through injuries? Last season. Now, we know Lamar Jackson can operate from the pocket.

52:18

We don't like he might just he might look like a different person who is also in awesome quarterback.

52:23

I'm not saying decline. But there are like some numbers as I was doing my deep dyes for this

52:29

Deonte. Last year, he was sat on 11% of his dropbacks. Only Gino Smith was sacked at a higher rate.

52:36

That's a bad quarterback indicator typically is having to secrate that high. Right. And then you

52:43

know, you have the stat pressure to sac rate, which just looks at how many times were you pressured?

52:47

How many of those pressures turned into sacks? He was 30 second in that category. All of his

52:53

rushing numbers were career worse numbers. Last year. Now, this could be as simple as Lamar Jackson

53:00

was playing injured last year. It's no sign of a entering a different phase of his career. But also

53:07

when quarterbacks are really great at using that escape ability and athleticism early in their

53:13

career, it doesn't last forever. You know, we have this conversation with quarterbacks all the time.

53:17

How long can that aspect last? So he's just such an interesting player to me this year because

53:22

again, it could be he's not running a lot. Maybe he's not taking more sacks, but that's because the

53:28

scheme's really working for him. And he's just carving people up. I mean, we can go to his

53:32

profile reference page and look at some of the passing numbers over the years. Maybe it's that

53:36

kind of year that's coming for Lamar Jackson. But that just my radar's up a little bit on that

53:41

whether we're going to see kind of a different version of him here going forward or whether that

53:46

was just kind of a one year play. I think that's fair. I think that my thing would be is a pocket is a

53:51

more pocket centric version of Lamar Jackson in 2026 and beyond something closer to what Dak Prescott

53:57

has been at hit, you know, when he's been healthy and available. And I do think that that's on the

54:01

table, right? Prescott doesn't come into the league with the strongest dollar remember. Right? He

54:05

was a guy who was a little bit more mobile than a pocket passer who just really kind of built up

54:09

his game, you know, within structure enough to be able to play at a proble a consistent proble

54:14

sometimes all pro level, you know, from the pocket when he's available. And we've seen when Dak gets

54:20

hurt, you know, because he has suffered quite a few lower body injuries. All of a sudden,

54:24

no sac rates do go up. The interception, you know, the turnover worthy plays do go up because he

54:28

can't escape. He can extend is often. And I think maybe that is something that's on the table for

54:32

Lamar Jackson. And that does change the context in which we talk about him, right? Because so much of

54:37

what makes him unique is the fact that at any point in time, what would have been a sack or what

54:42

would have been a cubic hit on a check down is now at 18 yards, scrambled for a first down, right? Like

54:47

that is something that you do have to fear. And maybe this does mean that he has to phase into a

54:52

difference version of himself going forward. But I think what we saw in 2024 and what definitely

54:58

what we saw in 2023 was when he's dialed in in the pocket and in rhythm, this guy can dice

55:04

defenses up without ever having to step outside the tackle box. I'm willing to bank on the fact

55:09

that this was more of an injury related thing and that when he's back to 100 percent, even if the

55:15

rushing number is a scrambled numbers, content to trend downward, continue to trend downward,

55:19

that we can still see something stable, even if it's not at peak MVP level, I think we can still get

55:25

a 30 to 33 touchdown passing touchdown season. And he can keep those interceptions and sacks low

55:31

to justify him not being being a scrambler as often. All right, there you go. There's a case for

55:37

there's some variance, I think with that offense, I think the Ravens are a very interesting team.

55:41

All right, number seven for me, Deontay, I've got the New England Patriots as my number seven

55:50

offense. They're on your list. How high do you have the Patriots? I actually have them fourth.

55:55

So I've got I'm okay. Pretty bullish on this team. Okay, so you're pretty bullish on the Patriots.

56:01

I felt good about having them in my top 10. You just look at how they performed last year and then

56:05

you just look at the big upgrade they made at wide receiver with AJ Brown and Romeo dobs and

56:11

you feel like, hey, that could easily make them and even better offense this season. So I,

56:17

you know, I think the case for them is pretty straightforward. They're really good last year.

56:21

They made it to the Super Bowl. They upgrade at wide receiver. Why wouldn't they be better? Okay,

56:26

so let me give you the reason why I have them at seven, maybe rather than four. And I was a little

56:31

bit like, all right, I do think there are some potentially some issues here. One of them is,

56:38

I still don't know that the offensive line is going to be great here. I know it sound like a broken

56:42

record with some of these all offenses. Now they did address it. They addressed it in the draft.

56:47

They're hoping to get healthy play out of Elijah Veritucker, but there are some unknowns there

56:53

up front. And if you look at it, the pressure to sacrate, I mentioned with Lamar Jackson.

56:56

I didn't realize this last year. I don't think at any time, Drake may, if you include the playoffs,

57:01

Deonte, 35th out of 38 quarterbacks in pressure to sacrate his pressure to sacrate with the same

57:08

as cam ward last year. Now, I know he faced a lot of quick pressures. I know the offensive line

57:14

wasn't good, but a lot of those pressures ended up turning into sacs. And so now if you're saying,

57:20

you're not sure about the offensive line. And by the way, they got really good injury luck overall,

57:24

not in the playoffs with Drake Bay playing good, but in the regular season, they didn't, their

57:29

depth wasn't tested as much as other teams. And now if you say, all right, well, what if they get

57:33

some injuries up front with a guy like Veritucker who has had trouble staying healthy? Now I'm getting

57:38

a little nervous about that. And then I was just thinking overall, what it takes to play 21

57:45

games in a season, especially when you're May and you were playing injured and you were taking hits

57:50

against really good defensive carrying the entire offense every single down.

57:55

Correct. In the entire regular season. So that made me, you know, year one, he had what,

58:00

at least one concussion. And I think we weren't sure about the other one. And then last year,

58:05

he's got this injury that really makes him a shell of himself in the postseason. Those things made

58:11

me a little bit nervous about the Patriots and their ability to just do what they did last year

58:17

and do it better because they have two to better wide receivers. I think that the Patriots

58:23

learn the right lesson from that playoff run, which is that yes, it is possible that we have

58:29

a franchise changing game altering talent at quarterback that could end up being in the MVP race

58:37

for the next decade. We also just watch him get absolutely battered by good defenses week over

58:43

week. And we just saw that slowly sat all the things that made him such a special talent in the

58:48

regular season. And they went out and I think that they as aggressively as possible tried to address

58:53

some of the things that were a problem for them, you know, down the stretch of the year. So you go

58:57

out, you add an AJ Brown to go be your man beater. That was what I think they were hoping that

59:02

Stefan Diggs could have been for them last year before he just kind of settled into being that kind

59:06

of chain moving zone beating type of underneath threat as a receiver. You go get a Romeo Doves,

59:12

some who can now fill in for, you know, what Stefan Diggs left behind. He can be that chain mover type.

59:19

He can be a contestant catch guy. He can go make catches in traffic and help them stay on schedule

59:24

as a passing game. So you check those boxes off. I still think it's fair to have some questions

59:29

about their offensive line, but given what they tried to do in one off season, you go add a

59:33

Elijah Barrett Tucker who does have who has had health problems throughout his career. But when he's

59:38

available, plays typically like a top 12 guard in the NFL, right, especially in the run game, which

59:43

I think they're going to need to take some things off of Drake Mase plate. And then you go get

59:48

Caleb Lomu, I think, ostensibly as an insurance plan against Morgan Moses getting hurt against

59:54

needing to move well Campbell. If he proves that he just can't handle, you know, the ask of being

59:58

a left tackle in a week to week basis. I think that they gave themselves just enough optionality

1:00:04

up front to be able to say, Hey, at least for a season, we can say that we did what we could to

1:00:08

try to improve the ecosystem around Drake May and not ask him to have to be the most explosive,

1:00:14

the most accurate, you know, the best scrambler, you know, the leader of our run game, really,

1:00:19

you know, in terms of being able to keep us ahead of the chains, I think that they did all that

1:00:23

they can do. And if their wide receiver core is able to force more like boxes, it's able to

1:00:27

dissuade team from blitzing as often. And now you are able to lean more on the run game, you are

1:00:32

able to get the ball out of a Drake May's hands and clean pockets more often. That alone should

1:00:37

do it in terms of keeping this team in top 10. They may regress in terms of, you know, the other

1:00:43

worldly production, but I think there are more complete team now than they were at this time last

1:00:47

year. Or yeah, could be better equipped to take on top of teams. Yeah, you know, I agree with

1:00:53

that just with the firepower that all right, let's take one more break. We come back, we get to

1:01:00

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1:01:04

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and availability varies 18 plus. We return. All right, back on the ringer NFL show, D.I.T. number six.

1:01:42

What do you got? I think my number 16 is probably the last one on my list that doesn't have like

1:01:47

bona fide superstar talent across the board, right? I've made one of two teams, depending on how you

1:01:52

feel about Buffalo, who I know we'll get to eventually. This is a Los Angeles Chargers. Like,

1:01:57

I'm buying the good vibes, man. I'm buying the good vibes. We both have them at six,

1:02:01

the on top. Perfect. We both have the joiners at six. What could go wrong?

1:02:06

Been to a couple of their practices throughout this off season. Solman, Mini-Camp,

1:02:10

Solman, I'm at training camp last week. You know, and just listening to some of the quotes that are

1:02:15

leaving the building, you know, you talk to people who are there on a day-to-day basis about how they

1:02:20

are interpreting the vibes coming out of the locker room, coming out of the coach's office.

1:02:25

I think that there's a lot of optimism that Mike McDaniel genuinely is the missing piece

1:02:30

for this offense. And I think that that plus good health actually could be exactly what this

1:02:35

team needs, getting the ball out of Justin Herbert's hands. So he's not the most hit, you know,

1:02:40

most knock down quarterback in the league the way that he was last season, building an infrastructure

1:02:45

for the run game that isn't as predictable, isn't as, you know, dependent upon being able to just

1:02:52

beat guys and man blocking, snap over, snap the way that we saw with Greg Roman last year.

1:02:58

And then I think another year of Trey Harris of adding guys like Kendra Lambert Smith,

1:03:02

you know, having a healthy lad McCunkey adding Charlie Kohler to the tight in-room. Like, you look now

1:03:08

the depth that this team has in terms of his playmaking talent is far and away better than what it was

1:03:13

two years ago, certainly last year and assuming health, even if guys do get banged up too,

1:03:18

I should say they have enough now, I think to be able to carry this offense through a 17-game

1:03:23

schedule and not be asking Justin Herbert to hang in with broken hands or busted ribs. And all the

1:03:29

other things we've seen this guy have to brave it through on a week-to-week basis to be able to keep

1:03:34

this offense afloat. I think that there is legitimate top 10 potential. I would say that their ceiling

1:03:39

is probably capped, I would say, around 5th or 6th because I just struggled to see them having a true

1:03:44

breakout passing game in terms of just receiving talent that's able to carry them into that top 3,

1:03:49

top 4, top of conversation. But I love what I think this team has done to kind of raise the floor

1:03:54

around Justin Herbert and if Herbert's available on a week-to-week basis, there's almost no way to

1:03:59

me I could see this team being worse than the 6 to 8 range in the NFL. Now listen, they've only had

1:04:05

a top 10 offense once in six seasons with Justin Herbert. So for the Herbert haters out there,

1:04:10

we're telling Barney's not calling plays anymore. So I would ask the Herbert haters to

1:04:19

suspend, suspension of disbelief for a second. Listen, they might say, there's been a few OCs,

1:04:24

you know, they keep getting fired, Deontay, every year or two. No, I know you would say,

1:04:29

I think it's fair that they have a good one. If you would give up your office

1:04:33

coordinator for Jellin Vardier Greg Moin, please message me on Twitter or Blue Sky. I would love to hear

1:04:40

this argument. Listen, you know, sometimes you have to know what's coming with this segment of

1:04:45

the audience and you have to address it before and so I think, you know, you can, that is,

1:04:50

it's only happened once again, six seasons with Justin Herbert as the starter, top 10 offense once.

1:04:56

We're both bullish on them this year. I mean, you mentioned the ceilings capped. We talked about

1:05:01

Asia Brown and Jellin Vardel. I did get to the point where I'm like, man, a player like that would

1:05:07

have looked really good on this chargers team. Are we going to say that was a missed opportunity

1:05:13

for the chargers? I think potentially we are. But to your point, I'm just kind of putting the trust

1:05:18

in Mike McDaniel. I'm putting the trust in Justin Herbert and his talent and his production and his

1:05:24

performance. I'm looking at the tackles and saying they got to play board games then they play last

1:05:30

year when Roshan Slater missed the entire season and Joel missed 11 games. I'm looking at the

1:05:34

pass catcher saying, okay, it's not like a top five top 10 group, but McConkey, Quentin Johnson,

1:05:40

Gadsden, Hampton and the run game like there's enough talent there for the chargers to make that

1:05:46

leap and be number six. Now have we both had chargers takes and Herbert takes and whatever over the

1:05:52

course of our careers that we would like scrubbed from the internet? Of course. I had them, I think

1:05:56

winning MVP in the second season. It did not necessarily go that way. And so who knows? I understand.

1:06:04

There's always it feels like chargers hype in this summer and we'll see when we get to our season

1:06:09

predictions, whether we really believe them in them as a super bowl caliber team, depending on what

1:06:14

you think of the defense. But yeah, I felt good about it. I felt good about them being in the top 10.

1:06:20

And you know, as I do it, I come up the initial list and then I start at one and then I get to two

1:06:25

and I'm like, all right, am I sure I like one more than two? Yes. And then I get to two. All right,

1:06:29

am I sure I'm like, all right. Yeah, we're very, we're very similar. And I got to the chargers and I'm

1:06:34

like, I think this is the right spot. I have a mid six. You have a mid six. Like I said, what could go

1:06:40

wrong? Chargers fans are you probably prefer that we just had them at 32. I think that this has

1:06:46

been a little too much optimism over the offseason for chargers fans. The current chargers fan,

1:06:51

knowing the current nature of this franchise, you've got to feel like if people stop looking at

1:06:55

us, they shall lose. I know it's every year for them. All right. So we both have the chargers at

1:07:00

number six. Number five, Deontay, who do you have at number five on your list? Number five for me

1:07:07

of the Dallas Cowboys. Okay. I've got the Cowboys up at number three. So we're in a similar range.

1:07:16

Dallas Cowboys, you got them top five is the case just straightforward. They're good last year.

1:07:22

They're going to be good again this year or is there more to it? It's really just as simple as that.

1:07:26

Like the things that made this offense as good as it was last season is still around. I trust

1:07:32

Brian shot an hammer as a play caller as a game manager. I think that he was cruelly able to

1:07:36

get more out of deck press got last year than what we saw Michael Carthy get out of them. What a

1:07:40

sentence, by the way. And I agree with you. No, seriously. You want to told me two years ago that

1:07:44

we I would be I would be at the time of the press conference. That's right. You have to change

1:07:48

your opinions based on what you see. And I think it's done a pretty good job. I can't believe it,

1:07:54

but it's true. 100%. I think that what we saw from George Pickens, if you would have told me the

1:07:58

George Pickens, fresh off of a trade and not being paid was going to show up and be this unguardable

1:08:03

ex-receiver for this team. I wouldn't have believed that either. So much so that it kind of came at the

1:08:08

expense of CD Lambs production, right? And in some points, because Jack Prescott has such a

1:08:13

strong connection with them, George Pickens throughout the year. But yeah, this is a team that just

1:08:17

checks all the boxes. You want supporting cast. They've got two, you know, bonafide number one

1:08:22

type wide receivers. Jake Ferguson has been a very dependable titan. You have a running game that

1:08:27

you're able to lean on. You have a healthy Javante Williams, which hopefully remains his way,

1:08:32

because he was a very enjoyable watch. Once we got him healthy again in the NFL. And I hope that

1:08:36

we're able to continue to see him affect games as a power runner between the tackles the way

1:08:41

that we did last year. Their offensive line is young. You know, it's reliable, both good in the

1:08:46

run game and the past game. And they kept their staff together, right? Like there really wasn't any

1:08:50

brain drain. There's really nothing to point to that would tell you that you should be concerned that

1:08:54

this team is going to take some unforeseen step back from last year to this year. If anything,

1:09:00

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we're having conversations about how they might be the number one

1:09:04

or number two offense in the league. If guys are healthy and never performing at peak capacity again

1:09:08

this year. Yeah, I was just looking at history. And I know Dak Prescott, not everybody's a fan of

1:09:14

Dak Prescott. If you just look at it historically, when he is on the field for them, the offense is

1:09:20

good. And that's been with different supporting cast, different offensive lines, different play

1:09:24

colors. The last five times Dak Prescott has played at least 12 games. They've had a top eight

1:09:30

offense. Like that, that's a pretty remarkable run of consistency that I think speaks to the

1:09:35

quarterback's play for the Cowboys now. You know, the rest of the Cowboys. Obviously they haven't

1:09:41

had a playoff success. And that's a conversation for another day. But last year they were fourth

1:09:45

in EPA per drive. To your point, they returned their top five pass catchers from last year. They

1:09:52

were turned seven of their top eight offensive linemen from last year. It's the same scheme. It's

1:09:57

the same OC. It's the same staff. It's just a very reliable offense now. Could there be injuries

1:10:02

or something we are fluky happening with turnover? Sure. That can happen with any offense we talk

1:10:07

about today. But when I just felt like, man, unless unless something like that happens where you're

1:10:12

just, you know, you're from hell with the injuries, I feel really good about this offense being

1:10:16

really good in the regular season. The Cowboys were almost up there with any team for me. So yeah,

1:10:22

I had them at number three. You had them at number five. We are on the same page there with the

1:10:27

Dallas Cowboys. All right. So I got to give you my number five team, which I think you might not

1:10:32

have in your top 10. Oh, I see. I got the Cincinnati Bengals at number five. Dehante. Nope. They're

1:10:38

number three for me. Oh, they all three. What a number three. I take more bullish on the Bengals

1:10:44

offense than me. That was band. That was off the board for fans all for that to be the case. I

1:10:49

just feel like I've been the high man on the Bengals on every podcast. I mean, and we want to talk

1:10:53

about the whole 53. Then we can have a different conversation. But if you're just going to be

1:10:58

about one side of the ball, then I'm right there with you on this. All right. So we both like the

1:11:03

Bengals. My case here is it's very similar to what I just said about that when Joe Burrow has been

1:11:09

healthy and played the requisite amount of games. The offense is generally good. They were I think

1:11:15

seventh. I want to say in 2024, they were fifth in 2022. The health concerns are real. The health

1:11:22

concerns are real with a lot of these guys. It's hard. You get hit and there's a lot. You know,

1:11:27

it's a violent sport. And so I don't like to just predict what quarterback's going to get injured.

1:11:31

But when you look at Burrow and those wide receivers, it's just like that's hard to defend

1:11:36

every week for a lot of NFL defense. You're Marjana is very hard to account for. T Higgins

1:11:42

very hard to account for their run game. Actually, this surprised me, Dehante. Because in my head,

1:11:47

I didn't think the run game was very good last year. Statistically, the run game was quite

1:11:52

disgusting. It's been sneakily efficient for the last two seasons. Yeah. They've been able to get

1:11:56

away with not really having difference and making talent in the back. I think the chase around

1:12:01

is probably better than it gets credit for it. Like the fantasy football guys will be quick to correct

1:12:05

me on that and tell me how dependable he is on a week to week basis because he does get light boxes.

1:12:10

But I think that they've built up the kind of running game infrastructure that they didn't have

1:12:14

in 2022 and 2023. When teams just try to say, hey, we'll just play cover two and cover four.

1:12:19

We're just going to make Joe Burrow sit in the pocket and just get beat up by our past rush.

1:12:23

They've built, I think, something that's a lot more dependable now than they used to have.

1:12:27

It's really interesting because the early days of Burrow and those wider severs

1:12:31

were so fun and their bomb in it downfield and it's explosives. Then we know what happened, teams

1:12:37

changed how they wanted to play against them. Now, I still feel like the way for them to get

1:12:42

in the top five, they still need to find a way to manufacture explosives. If you look at the numbers

1:12:47

last year, the explosives are not where you would want them to be for a team that has Joe Burrow,

1:12:52

Jamar Chase and T Higgins. And I know we've discussed this before. It's like, when a defense wants

1:12:57

to force you into doing one thing, you kind of can't just do that thing and be like, all right,

1:13:01

they're taking away explosives. Like you still need to find a way and that's easier for me to say,

1:13:05

when I don't have to, you know, figure out a way schematically or I'm not the players playing,

1:13:10

but I almost felt like looking at it, there were times last year where it just felt a little too

1:13:15

conservative, a little bit too much of take what the defense gives you and check it down and get

1:13:20

the ball out. So I think the way for them to really make that leap into the top three or the top five

1:13:26

is to combine the run game, which is a little bit better. The online, which I think secretly is not

1:13:32

that bad. I mean, if you look at the numbers from last year, pressure rate was the lowest

1:13:36

sac rate of Joe Burrow's career. I think they're more towards the middle of the path than to.

1:13:41

They're in serious a lot better. It's a lot better for. Yeah. So

1:13:45

I'm curious. Maim's could end up being a really good player for them at tackle. So there's

1:13:50

just a lot I like here. And again, it's really similar to the team we just talked about with the

1:13:55

Cal boys, where Joe Burrow, I think the last I forget three, four years, he's been healthy. He's

1:14:00

ranked top 10 in EPA for past play. The supporting cast is very similar. Like the formula works,

1:14:06

whether the ceiling is this high or whether it's more 7, 8, 9, 10, we can talk about that. But yeah,

1:14:12

I felt pretty good about the Bengals and you felt even better about them. 100%. I think the one

1:14:17

thing that the Cal boys are able to access that we just didn't see enough from Cincinnati is they do

1:14:22

have an ability to change gears, play heavier personnel and really be able to mash teams between

1:14:28

the tackles and the run game. Whereas Cincinnati has been a little bit more give us light boxes. We

1:14:33

can count if we've got a numbers advantage here, we're just going to take the four to five yards

1:14:38

or handing away. I would like to see Cincinnati incorporate a little bit more of that. Part of the

1:14:43

issue is that because they have built their offense so hyper specifically to be this 11 personnel

1:14:50

spread out shotgun, let Joe Burrow cook with this 35 to 40 drop backs in game. It does. It doesn't

1:14:57

really lend itself to the current era football, right? Well, we started talking about some of the other

1:15:02

offenses we expect to be in the top 10. We've kind of hit on some of the same points. The ability to

1:15:06

control games on the ground. A lot of that comes from being able to get under center and have multiple

1:15:11

tight insets or be able to add a fullback or a fullback Esk talent, you know, to be able to go add a

1:15:16

gap in the run game when you need it. You're talking about play action game, right? Can you draw a

1:15:21

defense forward to find easy passes in the intermediate area of the field? So that way a team like

1:15:26

Seattle, right? A team like Philadelphia, ones who are really inviting you to just play more spread

1:15:30

out and say, Hey, we're just going to sit on you in between the hatches. We're not going to give you

1:15:35

anything easy. You're going to have to go get your explosive plays the hardest way possible

1:15:40

on these 50-50 balls way deep down field. And we've got all these different carverages to make you

1:15:45

have to pause before you let the ball go. I think the Cincinnati is very similar to Kansas City.

1:15:50

They're interesting teams to kind of look at the meta of the game, right? If you're trying to find

1:15:54

the lens of where is the game been at and where is it going, you used to really be able to count,

1:15:59

you know, kind of sit unseen. The team like Cincinnati and say, this is probably going to be the

1:16:03

first or second best offense in the league because they just have superstar talent all over the case.

1:16:07

And it built very similarly to the old cults in the painting Manning era in that respect. Whereas

1:16:12

now you look at teams like, you know, Los Angeles, you look at what a team like Philadelphia is doing,

1:16:18

kind of divesting from that model to say, Hey, we want to be a little bit more balanced across the board,

1:16:22

you know, you look at the lions, you look at the chargers. A lot of these teams we're trying to

1:16:26

balance out their attacks, even if it comes at the expense of not having star talent. I'm fascinated

1:16:31

to see. I think this year will be kind of a next point for this team, maybe kind of that fork in the

1:16:36

road moment where they have to decide whether or not it's really about leaning into the superstar

1:16:41

talent or is going to be more about, Hey, we've got to diversify some of these things that we do

1:16:45

offensively to get the most out of every single play. I was thinking as I was looking at all these

1:16:51

teams that we mentioned the Ravens changing the way they're playing and the Eagles changing the way

1:16:56

they're playing and the way the bills play now. There is going to be a time in probably the next

1:17:01

three to five years where we're just going, Oh, this team is going back to the spread and playing

1:17:06

11 personnel and oh, this is, oh, this is okay. This is back now. It's no longer getting the tight

1:17:11

ends and the full backs on there and getting under center and using play action because you know what,

1:17:16

the defense has went so far that way with their nickels making sure those nickels can fit the run.

1:17:21

Well, those nickels now can't cover these dynamic slot receivers. It's just so funny. It's like

1:17:25

every three to five years is going to be different. So maybe the Bengals are like, you know what?

1:17:29

We're ahead of the curve. We're not changing. The deep fences will come back to us.

1:17:32

Eventually the game will come back to us. Yes.

1:17:34

Eventually, listen, Sean McVeigh hired Cliff Kingsbury this all season. That caught my attention

1:17:40

a little bit. Why is he hired in Cliff Kingsbury? You know, they need a little trick up their sleeve

1:17:45

in case what they used last year doesn't work and they need to pivot again. I don't know.

1:17:49

Maybe just a thought I had. All right. So we basically flipped the Bengals and the Cowboys. We got

1:17:54

them both this top five. I had Cowboys three Bengals five. You had Bengals three Cowboys five.

1:18:00

I imagine we're going to have the top same top two. But maybe you'll

1:18:04

I kind of think it has to be. It has to be. There's one team I was I really felt like you were

1:18:09

going to have on here that you don't that I want to get to at the end. But yeah, number two, Dianne,

1:18:14

who do you got? Number two, I have the Buffalo Bills. Okay. I got the Bills one. Okay. So there you go.

1:18:22

I think that we're going to end up having a similar conversation then about the Rams and why I

1:18:26

have them one and maybe what your hold up was with them being the narrowing offense in the league.

1:18:31

But for me with Buffalo again, like I feel like for the last 30 teams we're talking about

1:18:35

steady, stable. They've got a proven track record already. Their style of play isn't changing.

1:18:40

The people at the helm of calling the offense and executing the offense have not changed.

1:18:46

Strong offensive lines. They can run the ball to control the clock control game situations when

1:18:51

they need to and they've got a quarterback that can build them out of bad situations. I mean,

1:18:55

that just too a tee has been why Buffalo even in those those moments, right? I feel like we were

1:19:01

podcasting together when they had that cold spell where they got beat up really bad by the Texans.

1:19:06

And I think that was kind of like the alarm bells going off moment. But even like two to three weeks

1:19:11

before that you started seeing defenses picking up on some of their tendencies in terms of what they

1:19:15

liked in the passing game in terms of what they like to do out of certain personnel groupings in

1:19:19

the run game. And ultimately they still turned out to be a really excellent offense because they

1:19:24

can just lean on their favorites because they have talent all over this roster. And now if you add

1:19:29

DJ Moore and you get a DJ Moore who's motivated, who is I think in an understandable role where he

1:19:34

doesn't necessarily have to be some 150 targets guy, he can be a manufactured explosives. He can be

1:19:41

catch on the one in the minute intermediate area type of receiver. He can be a spring game guy,

1:19:47

right? Like you can just fold him into all the same things you've been doing with your tight ends

1:19:51

and with Khalil Shakir this entire way. And I just go into a bigger receiver who has a little bit

1:19:56

more wiggle in the open field. And this offense can just I guess just add another dynamic piece

1:20:01

to what it already does. I don't know that they needed to change anything. I think they just

1:20:05

needed a player like Moore to maybe be able to unlock some things when defenses load up the box to

1:20:10

take away the run game. Reliability, consistency. It's just like I mean, I'm with you DJ, you know,

1:20:18

it's so funny like the ebbs and flows of an NFL offseason because they make that DJ Moore trade.

1:20:23

And I'm sure that I said on this podcast, I wouldn't have made that trade given up what they gave

1:20:27

up and paint. Why are they paying him what they're paying him? But then you get to August and you look

1:20:32

at the depth chart. And now I like to screw up a lot more when DJ Moore kind of bumps everyone down.

1:20:37

Like I liked the other players. The other players weren't good enough to just stand pat and not do

1:20:43

anything. So now it's DJ Moore. Now it's Khalil Shakir. Now it's whoever's your wide receiver three.

1:20:48

Whether it's Josh Palmer or Keon Coleman is both tight ends Dawson Knox and Dalton King Kate.

1:20:52

It's James Cook at Running Back. It's a very good offensive line. And it's like, oh, okay,

1:20:57

like I do like this group. And I would say if you had to pick one quarterback where you said

1:21:03

it doesn't matter who the play caller is, who the offensive line is, who the wide receivers are,

1:21:09

you're going to have a top five offense. I think Josh Allen is that guy for me right now.

1:21:14

I mean, the numbers back it up the last six, six years in a row. They finished between first and

1:21:21

fourth in EPA per drive. Like that is a remarkable level of consistency. I know all the stats are out

1:21:27

there that are like, this is the best team to never even get to a super. It is the best run by any team

1:21:32

to not even get to a super bowl. Which if you're a bills fan, you're like, we're not hanging in

1:21:36

the banner for that. We're not. Especially that franchise. That franchise is experienced a heart

1:21:40

breaks a ball heart breaks. I know. Their history. It's like there. It really is remarkable that they

1:21:46

have not broken through. But the offense has just about been the most reliable unit in the NFL

1:21:54

over the last five, six seasons. So I think they're going to be right up there once again. Will

1:21:59

they definitely beat number one? I don't know. Maybe not. But I'm just like, if Josh Allen's healthy,

1:22:04

I don't care what who else gets injured or has a down year. This isn't a Joe Brady thing to me.

1:22:10

I mean, Joe Brady right place, right time as far as I'm concerned. Ken Dorsey's looking at it going,

1:22:15

hey, someone compared the stats when I was calling the offense compared to when Joe Brady was.

1:22:20

I don't think it's that hard to come up with a great offense when you have Josh Allen. I do like

1:22:25

some of the stuff he's done. You mentioned it earlier, taking some stuff off of his plate,

1:22:29

not asking him to be Superman, the entire game, you know, having a good run game, all those things.

1:22:34

But yeah, I had the bills won just because I felt like they were sort of, I was going to say,

1:22:40

we're session proof, which doesn't make any sense. But you know, I'm saying like, it kind of does.

1:22:45

The conditions don't really matter as long as the quarterback's healthy, they're going to have

1:22:48

a top five offense. So I've got bills won. You have presumably the Los Angeles Rams number one.

1:22:55

What why did you give them the edge here over the bills? And we're of course just picking knits

1:23:01

with it with this right here. Yeah, I think for me, like I took this exercise all the way down to

1:23:06

the end, right, this morning before we hopped on the podcast. And I just kept talking between

1:23:09

Buffalo, BN1, Los Angeles, BN2 and the advice of our, and eventually I just kind of got to a point

1:23:14

where I'm like, this offense is awesome. Knit picking us for losers at this level, right? Like,

1:23:20

let me just like, instead of trying to find all of the trap doors for this team, let's just take

1:23:25

what we've seen on film. And a lot of this really is based on the fact that Sean McVey and the Rams

1:23:31

have built an offensive infrastructure that doesn't really ask Matthew Stafford to have to do what he

1:23:36

did in 2021 for this to be a top five offense in the NFL. In truth, I mean, they very rarely

1:23:42

meet him to play at that level. I would say that last year, the only times I really call it

1:23:46

for it were those three games against the Seahawks. And in the last two of them, he played exactly

1:23:51

like we saw in 2021, Matthew Stafford played. And I think that that's a large reason why I ended up

1:23:56

winning MVP is because those memories stuck out in that Thursday night game. And then in the NFC

1:24:00

championship, he went out was after the voting. I think you just think about those moments, right,

1:24:04

when it's called upon at most when he needed to deliver, you know, in the biggest moments for

1:24:09

the Rams, he was able to do so. And then you look at just some of the more underlying metrics,

1:24:13

right? Like by name recognition, maybe by volume. And some of the other things that we look at,

1:24:21

maybe by box score, we don't always appreciate just how effective the Rams are in the run game.

1:24:27

But you go and you look at success rate, especially on early downs. I mean, they were just

1:24:31

beating the hell out of teams. And then some of this was before they even went to the 13 person

1:24:35

L thing when they're adding all these big bodies on. They're able to play win 11 personnel that

1:24:40

can get to tight ends on the field if they want to. They can play more with more of their

1:24:43

finesse 12 personnel looks if they wanted to between, you know, your Teres Ferguson and Colby

1:24:49

Parkinson's who are, you know, Parkinson's is a pretty balanced tight end. Ferguson is much more

1:24:53

of a receiver than he is a blocker. And still just by formation, by motion, by Sean McVey's ideas

1:24:59

and how to craft a run game, they're able to find six, seven yards, sometimes a pop in a quarter

1:25:05

or in a half, right? I trust so much in what they have built in the run game, in the play action

1:25:11

game, in whom Matthew Stafford has been in the tie light of his career, what they're able to do

1:25:16

in the red zone with Devonte Adams being able to kind of feed touchdowns to him. And I think that

1:25:21

in my assumption is, Pukin the coolest suspension, which I do expect him to get one eventually won't

1:25:26

be so long. I don't think that Alaric Jackson, who might be at suspended for, you know, his off-the-field

1:25:32

conduct, I don't know if that's going to be extensive either. And they're going to have their guys,

1:25:36

right? I'm assuming health and that they're going to have their guys available. And as long as those

1:25:40

players are on the field, it is hard for me to see Sean McVey not turning in the number one offense

1:25:44

in the NFL, no worse than the top three offense in the league this year. Yeah, you mentioned the

1:25:50

Seattle matchups. And I would even throw in when they faced the Eagles the last couple of years.

1:25:56

They have the thing where because of Stafford's experience and talent and savvy and know-how and

1:26:02

Sean McVey's offensive mind, they configure stuff out against the best defenses in the NFL,

1:26:08

which I think that is, you know, I think that's a great case for them to be number one, where it's

1:26:13

just like you're probably not going to shut them down for an entire game. You might get the first

1:26:17

quarter, you might get the first half, you might get the first possession, whatever. But eventually,

1:26:21

their like that combination is so special that they're going to figure it out. And so they were

1:26:27

the best offense in the NFL last year. They've done it against great defenses. I mean, think about

1:26:32

it. The Seahawks, like no one was able to do anything against the Seahawks except for the Rams'

1:26:37

offense last year. Like they kind of put themselves on another level. I mentioned earlier, I think

1:26:42

the Broncos continuity. I believe the Rams have 13 of 14 players who logged 400 snaps last year on

1:26:49

offense, 13 of 14 are back. So they've got that continuity going for them. Yeah, my only real question

1:26:56

about the Rams was what it looks like if they lose, you know, hook and a cool. Like it's all

1:27:02

depth stuff or if they have injuries on the offensive line, but it really is first world problem,

1:27:07

type of things. You know, I'm tired of predicting that Matthew Stafford's age is going to be

1:27:12

an issue for them when the guy just won the MVP last year. So yeah, I think it's perfectly

1:27:16

reasonable to have the Rams as number one. I have Bill's one, Rams two. You have Rams one,

1:27:22

Bill's two. So we agreed on seven teams, Deontay, Bill's, Rams, Cal boys, Lions, Bengals, Chargers,

1:27:29

Patriots. I had the Bears, Packers and Chiefs. You had the Ravens Broncos and Jaguars. Neither of us

1:27:36

had the Niners. That was the one team I was surprised that I thought you were going to have in there.

1:27:40

That was the one that that's the one that had me feeling like, am I a Bozo?

1:27:46

Like I might think it too hard about some of the issues or some of the hang-ups that I might have

1:27:51

about George Kiddell being hurt and Mike Evans being a little advanced in age. Like I'm sorry,

1:27:57

man. It's too much for me. And then I think the other team I was thinking about is just like Philadelphia.

1:28:03

Because it's just because of the arguments that we're making about teams like Denver, teams like Dallas,

1:28:08

the ones that are really built upon offensive line, being able to win between the tackles,

1:28:13

quarterback, who's not turning the ball over. Like is this a team that could be maybe towards

1:28:18

a bottom-end but can make the top 10 because they're not going to be as volatile as a Chicago,

1:28:22

as a Jacksonville, maybe as Baltimore might be. But for me, I think that that's one of those

1:28:29

things where first-year play-caller, big system overhaul, loss of the very talented player,

1:28:34

you're going to have to show it to me first. And I had them 15th, so it's not like I have them being

1:28:38

some bottom half of the league offense. The adiners, you can just make the case,

1:28:42

say Shanann and Purdy, it works. It has worked and they might not be top five, but they're going to be

1:28:48

really good. I just, the injuries already, I mean, the summer they've had so far were like one

1:28:54

week in. I'm just like, I have them a little. I don't think they're going to be bad, but I had them

1:28:58

outside the top 10. Eagles, you mentioned, I think there's a case for them, Seahawks. I think

1:29:03

there's a case for them if you feel good about the new OC coming in and then not losing much.

1:29:08

The Vikings, I thought about getting spicy and being like, maybe I buy this. It's a good

1:29:13

supporting cast. That would have been an inspired pick. I couldn't quite get there. I was like,

1:29:17

but I should do Vikings over chiefs for content. Nope. I'm just going to go with what I actually think

1:29:21

here with the chiefs. So yeah, I think those were some of the teams that just missed out, but that

1:29:27

was a lot of top 10 off fences. I think Deonte come back next week and do top 10 defenses. How does

1:29:32

that sound? Well, zoo defenses. I mean, you're talking about language. I would love nothing more.

1:29:36

We'll do defenses next week. All right. Thanks to Deonte Lee from The Ringer. Thank you to

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