The Lost Episodes: MIA

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Welcome back to the Out of Free Lunch Show.

This is the second week of our last episode series on the 26th of August season three premieres.

Folks, this week's episode is with MIA.

I went to London for a soccer game from my bachelor party and I'm disgusting.

I'm sick.

I'm seeing you guys to this angel.

But it's a really good episode.

I just watched it this morning.

It's really good.

You'll enjoy it.

So that's probably why we didn't release it.

I don't know.

But also, New York Comedy Festival, November 27th, Town Hall.

Get your tickets at AdamFreeLend.Show.

Thanks a lot, guys.

Enjoy the episode.

It's good.

That's why you said that was sarcastic.

Ladies and gentlemen, it is my distinct honor, privilege to welcome MIA.

Give it up for her.

You really brought an entourage today.

Hi.

Hi, MIA.

Thanks for coming on.

Hi, Adam.

I'm a big fan.

I was telling you on the phone yesterday.

You strike me as a person that everything you try you're good at.

Is that right?

Oh.

You just couldn't do it.

You did want to be a musician.

You just did it.

Is that right?

You want to be a filmmaker?

Yes.

Yeah.

It takes a lot of money to make a film.

Yeah.

And I was like, how am I going to do that?

And then...

I talked to a filmmaker because I thought he might have met you today.

But he said that I think you just are a fan.

But I wanted to know if you guys are a bit...

I think there's a harmony today.

How many Corinne?

Yeah, yeah.

Oh my God, I haven't seen one of them.

And he said, say what up?

Yeah.

And you're like dog with 95, too.

Those are your best year five.

Love it.

Yes.

Hearing that, you went to Central State Martins, which is like the art school in the UK.

Were you like...

You were a cool growing up.

Or were you weird?

I was both...

I was weird and cool.

But how many Corinne made Weird Cool as well?

Sure.

So it was perfect.

Yeah.

It was like perfect time.

I was like 18 when he made...

Well, maybe 17, 18 when he made kids.

Yeah.

So it just...

That made me afraid of having sex.

You got...

You know, that there was a tiny little thing where weird cool people belonged and it was

nice.

Yeah.

So you were really film projects from school, so that you still have access to?

I just...

I don't know.

Some were my mom's attic, maybe.

Yeah.

Do you remember what they were?

Oh, God, yeah.

I made this weird film, obviously.

And it was about...

It's funny.

It was about numbers, OK.

So I was trying to work something out.

OK, so if you did film at Samaritans, you kind of had to be a lesbian, you know.

And I would go in with still letos and shit like that.

And they were like, she needs to be kicked out of college.

So they would always have a group meeting saying, Maya's coming in with like tight leggings

and still letos on and many stuff.

She was like, the prejudice you experienced.

Yeah, so they were like, she's not serious about movies.

She needs to get kicked out.

She's cargo shorts.

Yes.

And a plaid shirt like everybody was sort of like that.

And like, you know, at that time it was really fashionable to shave all your hair.

So everyone had like skinheads and trying to look like aliens and things.

And then...

And then there was me that was kind of like listening to hip-hop and, you know, and R&B

and would be wearing still letos.

But also like I did go through a mallet phase and stuff like that.

But then...

But, you know, I was experimenting.

You're fine with your theory of philosophy.

I was finding my thing.

Yeah.

And so I realized that the best films to make were materialist films where you affect

the film, which means that your creativity became more about not, you know, writing shots

down and making narrative movies.

Or I didn't want to do like highly conceptual movies either.

So it was more about like how to invent a style in the way you affect...

You were fucking around.

Yeah, it's like the physical form of the film, you know.

Like it was an art degree as well.

Yeah.

So the first one I made was about numbers and it was about this setting up, this funny

enough, it's like setting up a narrative.

But the narrative was just about this guy, say like playing the lottery or something.

Yeah.

But each scene, the way he chooses the numbers is just a weird way, right?

The narrative of the film sets you up that he's one thing.

But then at the end it's something else totally.

So it was, it's kind of like a...

And did you earn the respect of a lesbian community?

Or...

I didn't.

Oh.

They're tough, they're tough ones.

No, this is what happened.

The act that I cast it to do it, I swear to God.

I filmed the stuff.

He was really like cool and everything.

And then like my friend, or then year after my friend who was in the same cast, she ended

up becoming like the first porn director for Chanowax.

Who?

She was quite an actor.

And...

She was doing porn while we were at Samaritan's.

Of course.

And I'd cast this actor to be in this numbers film that I was making and then a year later

she's like cat, you know, my cameraman dropped a cat and you come and help me do camera

today.

You shot a portal?

So I went to do camera, but I was very highly opinionated about like the lighting and this

and that, you know, because...

I'd been obsessed about material filmmaking.

And so I was like not interested in the narrative.

But then there's a knock at the door, the actor arrives and I open the door and it's the

same actor.

Right?

And then you go to see him having sex?

Yeah.

Oh, right.

And basically he couldn't have sex in front of me because he already knew me kind of

thing.

So then she fired me on the set and she was like you need to leave together.

You're right.

You can't get a heart.

Yes, exactly.

So then that was my like very short live.

So I've tried different things, yeah.

But you started doing visual arts.

You were making like an album or a concept of like graphic arts and stuff.

Is that correct?

You just smashed that and then what?

You just became a music.

I mean, it doesn't seem...

Yes, I...

There's something very charming about it.

It's like the kind of girl that you like fall in love with and she ruins you because she's

just so amazing.

But then she goes like, oh, I have to go to Europe with a married man.

And you're like, okay, I find.

What was wrong with me?

You were the journalist that took you around to different genocides?

I wasn't with him.

There's a song about it, right?

I was pining.

But what I was saying is like you had this like...

That was not a cast, okay.

I'm just saying, you...

It's what's clear is like there's this...

I have this image in my mind of like you just like going through life and just like being

purely creative and like trying out different things and they kind of...

Because it is a very rare thing to like for someone to just have a knack for any creative

arts that they apply themselves to.

Although that number is gonna be, I don't remember that.

But that...

Yeah, no, it wasn't good.

But like...

But I was trying something that...

You know, I was trying to figure out how...

You know, it actually became a Hollywood formula of the next, whatever, you know, like to

set up a narrative and there's a twist at the end.

Like...

Yeah, sure.

That became a thing.

Shabba Lady.

Exactly.

He's a pro at that.

That's...

It's a thing, but you know, that time my first year I was trying to do that.

But then anyway, because obviously my dad's not...

From the art world, you know.

He's a politician and he's a writer and things like that.

Yeah, how did immigrant parents handle you being an art?

Yeah, exactly.

So it was the first time someone had done that.

So it was kind of lonely, even though you say, oh, you're just rolling around being creative

and expressive.

But you must have been thrilling to be around to those days.

I don't know.

I'm sorry.

Also weird, you know, because you go home and you're family and like...

No, you're...

That's the best.

You know.

Your mother was a seamstress for the Royal family.

Yeah.

Yeah, because you made medals.

Is that correct?

Yeah, because during the time I was living in the council flat, my mom looked in the paper

and the only job that didn't require English was the sewing thing.

And my mom's always been a seamstress, even in Sri Lanka.

So her and my cousin applied for the job and they both got in.

It was around the corner for my school.

And they chilled with the queen of English?

And they would just sit in a room and sew these medals and it's like so bizarre, you know,

I didn't really...

Well, you got...

What is it called?

M-B-E.

Yeah, so the full cycle of that is that my mom stitched my medal, which is weird.

What does it mean?

Yeah, it's a meme, but it's pretty...

Yeah, it's a meme, but it's pretty...

British Empire.

Empire.

How'd that feel?

And you got it from the queen at her birthday party?

I got it from a...

Prince Willie.

Prince Willie of the Baldwin.

Yeah.

Charles wasn't there.

And then I went to Prince William and as I got my medal, I was like, hey, can you release

Julian Assange?

Oh, you said that?

Yeah, I did.

So if you hear me talking, that's what I was saying.

I was like, can you please release him out of, you know, H.A.M.A.C.

Belmarsh, which is the worst prison ever.

And he said, I'm sorry, it's out of my hands.

And I was like, but you're okay.

Yeah, he's just the prince.

The prince.

Yeah, yeah.

I was like, surely you can talk to your dad or your grandma.

No, those guys can't do anything.

Like, no, it's out of my hands.

I don't have that power.

They just leave it at a house.

No, it's like, and then I walk off.

Wait, so did you get...

Did they do it with a sword or no?

That's not...

No, he just like pins it on you, I think.

What do you get?

Like, do you get like a discount?

Like a test goes or something?

Okay, I didn't get anything.

What are the betties for a...

Nothing, but you know what?

It's kind of useful right now today in this moment.

Because, you know, you're like canceled for words,

but I got that medal for my words.

One thing I've always fixated on is like,

there's this cultural exchange, like, especially in rock and roll.

Like, make jagger sings in an American accent or a del sings in an American accent.

Like, something about you and the clash is like,

you're using your own voice.

Was that a deliberate thing or...

No, I'm just me, you know?

Yeah.

It's hard to be something, you're not.

Like, Mike Skitter, I was like,

it was really cool that he sounds that way.

So, I had...

I wanted to be as honest as possible.

And also, truth is important to me.

So, like...

Yeah.

You always had to be like that,

so that it was just airtight.

No one could knock you, you know?

And I thought to me,

that was important to be truthful.

Did you go to sound clashes and stuff?

I actually came from a different zone.

You were listening to hip-hop?

I was listening to hip-hop.

And then I was listening to, you know,

dance, rave music quite a lot, like, one-time...

The 90s.

Yeah.

So, I did a bit of that.

And that was always part of my thing.

But then I discovered,

well, I came to America for the first time in the late 90s or middle 90s.

Yeah, something like that.

And then I got really into West Coast rap

for any rap from everywhere.

And then I was a bit of a hardhead about that

until I went to St. Martin's.

And then when I started mixing with people

and they would take me to, like, London parties,

because I didn't really go to those kind of parties, you know,

like, cool parties, jungle raves,

which kind of samples dance for a lot.

And it had...

It's much more like street stuff.

When I started going to fashion parties,

is when I was getting into, like, indie music.

I guess, Oasis came out.

When did Oasis put their first record out?

94.

So I started St. Martin's around 96.

So that's what was popping, you know?

Oasis, the verb, like, yet all this indie music.

Yes.

And despite Jones started making music videos,

and it was all just, like, the best, kind of art, you know,

Radiohead was, like, the biggest band.

Yeah, best, that part.

So I, you know, you couldn't avoid it.

It was just, like, in your face.

It was just, like, the best time in London.

So it was basically the cool Britannica era.

Yeah.

And so you couldn't avoid it.

I was at St. Martin's.

And that's when I got into the clash.

So what was the segway to music?

I didn't want to be a musician at that time.

I was just impressed by music videos, you know?

So my ambitions after leaving St. Martin's

was to be a music video director.

Yeah.

And nobody would give me a job because you really had to, like,

network to do that, you know?

And people were like, was she gonna know?

She's not a lesbian.

She's not a lesbian.

And it's so dominated by, like, these, like, dudes, you know?

And so my favorite video at the time was, I would say

every radio had video.

Every radio had, yeah, but that there were the pinnacle.

I'm pure cat amazing videos.

So we were just like, wow, you know, it was like the best time for art.

Do you remember the first song you made?

The first one I wrote was MIA, which is the hit.

And you just dropped your first song that you ever tried.

Yeah.

Fucking hell.

That was crazy.

You know, that's kind of like in standup, like, no one's good

when they saw it.

Like, apparently, Dave Chimell was, you know, like,

but it is a very rare thing to be able to just like,

you're probably going to be in a show.

But I just dropped my sketchbooks.

You're going to be in the show in Sarsheff tonight, if I had to guess.

I can't.

I can't.

Yeah.

She can't.

I've been doing since I've been fired, like, cooking every day

and it's just like, wow.

You know, like, who do you think is that meant?

Who do you think is that meant?

The Monopoly man?

Yes.

Yeah.

The powers that, anyway.

Tell me about the film CB4.

Why, you really, do you know people that went to some art?

And it's with me or something?

No, I just love it.

I just, no, I don't.

Okay, CB4 came in, obviously.

I love comedy as well.

It's a Chris, Chris, it's like a Chris Rock film.

Yeah, and it's a spoof that Chris Rock did, yeah, of West Coast Rap.

And it was so hilarious, but obviously it's borderline not good.

It's highly controversial.

It wouldn't even get shot nowadays, you know.

Uh-huh.

But at that time, it was so extreme and it was so funny and it was dealing with really important subjects.

And I took it into college and I was like, I want it, you know, because everybody kept don't like any suggestions for like films we need to discuss and, you know, film theory or whatever.

Everyone would be like, Selene Goddard.

Goddard.

And I was like, yeah.

Dryer.

Yes, and I presented CB4 and then I was like, absolutely kick her out now, kick her out.

You were the first person to ever met.

Was Jarvis Cocker at your school?

So he graduated by the time I'd gone there.

P.J. Harvey went there.

Whoa.

Yeah.

Jarvis.

And I heard Shadei went there, but she did fashion.

And then there was rumors that David Bowie went there, but I'm not sure.

In terms of the way that music is distributed, in terms of like the real kind of self-produced marketing, like you were kind of like, maybe like, I don't know, soldier boy.

Do you consider yourself my space generation?

I mean, that is really just like it's a precursor to soundcloud and like everything that's come since then, right?

Yeah, I guess so.

I guess so.

It just all happened so fast, didn't it?

Like, because really I started off the DIY person in spray painting and pressing vinyl.

And actually the first demo that MIA song, Anglaang, were recorded on a dat tape.

So I had to go and borrow like studio time and they gave me MIA and Anglaang on a dat.

So you could put it on my space?

Yeah, then I had to buy it in that machine and you know, and convert it.

And so then, you know, when I did vinyl, that was like, okay, now we're talking like common people language, that pressing vinyl.

So people can play in the DJ sets.

And when I met Diplo, there was vinyl, you know, my space hadn't happened, you know, that came like a couple years after.

And you guys were dating, you were like collaborators as well?

What's wrong?

I can't say that?

No.

You had a boyfriend, sorry.

Yeah.

I mean like, you got, you made a paper play together.

I found him.

He discovered Diplo.

I discovered him.

Really?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I turned up at his thing.

He didn't turn up at mine.

Well, it sounds like you wasn't here, sure.

I heard his demo.

So he made his first song.

It was called News Flash.

And it was on a friend's mixtape.

And I was like, that sounds like the sounds.

Yeah.

Or this person, they need, there's something that I feel like is a thing that they get the same.

Well, they've had the same upbringing musically.

Yeah.

And I could tell that by one demo.

And then I just rang around and found out like where he was or who he was.

Uh-huh.

And this is before the internet.

Right.

And somebody had, he was signed to a British record label called NinjaTunes.

Okay.

And, or Big Data or something.

And they booked him for a club night in London.

Yeah.

And I got the flyer and then I went and I took Galang, which was a white label.

Uh.

And I was like, can you play the song?

We had some, you know, beats in common.

And he knew some odd references that only I knew.

And I was like, wow, that's pretty cool.

But we didn't really get together.

It's only after I went to Philly to make the mix tape.

And you heard, you were telling me the story behind the hearing the track for Paper Plays.

We had a friend in common who was the editor of Fader Magazine at the time called Nox Robinson.

Uh-huh.

And Nox had a record label and he went to Jamaica and he was doing a remix album of the serious times rhythm.

Okay.

But this is how everything is connected because of all rhythms.

Yeah.

He was doing serious times with him.

I feel like I'm majoring in talking about serious times.

Uh-huh.

And so he brought the record to my apartment and me and Wes were living together at the time.

And he was like, here's the gyption record.

Right.

So gyption had a record.

All-ja?

No.

I mean, I was like, this is a serious time.

It's before that, serious times.

These are some serious times.

Uh-huh.

Girl, you can either tight this or me over be me or my life.

Yeah, that was his big crossover.

Oh, wow.

But before that, he did a serious song called The Serious Times.

What?

A serious time.

How's it going?

The best song.

I want to listen to it.

The best song.

You're going to love this song.

It's one of my favorite songs ever.

Yeah, you can either tight this or me over.

He doesn't say the tightest hole.

It's like different lyrics.

It is the tightest hole.

I thought it was the tightest.

No.

I thought it was nasty song.

This is gypsum.

Sorry, sorry guys.

I apologize, guys.

He's a conscious guy.

He's a very conscious guy.

I thought he was talking about his song.

He is so beautiful.

And I was obsessed with the song.

What's it called?

Gyption.

Serious times.

So where's the remixing that?

Okay.

And he got the paper pain speed.

Oh, the go.

It's like 9.30 in the morning.

And he's got the cash sample going.

And he's going to.

And he's kind of fix it to these.

Serious times.

And I was like, this is my favorite song.

Why would you even ruin it?

Yeah.

And then at the same time,

I was like, I can write a song on that.

So I was like, I have some lyrics.

And I kind of got our bed, got on the mic.

Yeah.

We tried paper pains.

Did you get in trouble for the gun?

No.

Oh, yeah, there was a bit.

Yeah.

Who cares?

It is going to kept taking it out.

And then we just kept fighting.

They put out Kim by Eminem.

They put on a song about him putting his wife in a trunk.

Yeah.

But you know, like people.

And you can't go boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,

and take your money.

It's different when it comes from a brown woman.

A baddie.

It's very baddie stuff to me.

I mean, that's.

Yeah.

White blonde guy is different.

But when it comes from a brown woman, yeah.

With a pass.

With a pass.

With a pass.

With a pass.

Oh my god.

Yeah.

Was that the first time you got in trouble?

You were saying that, eh?

Was that the first time you got in trouble?

No.

The first time was when I said, like, Pierre-la,

I don't surrender.

Or my first.

Like, Andrea.

So I came out of the gate in trouble, really.

What's the lyric?

In Sun Showers, which was my first single.

Yeah.

It said, like, Pierre-la, I don't surrender.

Andrea, Pierre-la, the soccer player for you.

No, like, Pierre-la.

Oh, like the Pierre-la.

Yeah, like, Palestinian Liberation, or an organization.

You were early on the Palestine tip.

It was my first sentence.

So you guys, you got canceled for that?

Yes, in 2004.

God.

So they took it off the radio, they canceled my song,

and then people started writing into the American government,

saying this person cannot come to America and perform.

Because of that?

Yes.

So when I came to do my first show in New York,

and I did the knitting factory,

they told me at that point that people were writing in,

saying, you can't have this artist perform in New York.

Yeah.

And so that's when America pulled up my past history.

Because I started getting immigration problems because of that.

So before that, before 2004,

I'd been coming and going in America all the time.

I never had problems.

I could come on an Esther stay for three months.

You know, like, I worked with Diplo.

I was on tour with Elastica.

I'd been here visiting my family, like, on the west coast,

like, hanging out with my cousins and stuff.

And never had problems.

But the day I put out sun showers,

the FBI, when they're like, dug out all the stuff.

Because they wanted to find something on me.

And then they found this, like, record I had from, you know,

when I was like 18.

And then they were like, we're going to stamp her.

You said P.L.O.?

Yes.

And that's really when my stamp on my passport appeared.

And since then, you know, I get called into immigration all the time

and interrogated all the time.

And it takes me like hours to get out of there.

And that happened because of the sun showers.

The stuff you get in trouble for is kind of bullshit.

It's such bullshit.

Having a gun?

But you know what?

You know what?

Look at how forgiving I am.

Superb.

What about the Superbaw?

A middle finger.

She did this.

Like, what kind of conversation is it?

How bad I was with Madonna.

Yeah.

And also like, my lyric was, I don't give a shit.

So it's not even, oh, the biggest, you know,

it's not the same as like a suicide bombing.

Oprah called you a terrorist.

Everybody did it at the time because tigers were like,

they were kind of going off at the time.

But the New York Times was calling me that, you know.

So like, everyone reads the New York Times.

So before social media, before social media cancellation

world, the media had the power, you know,

and that's kind of how they did the thing.

And you know what?

It's really interesting because now I'm swept into this

left wing, right wing conversation in the US.

But when I first arrived and they were writing in saying this person

can't perform, you know, in these venues, that like was,

I don't know, I just generally took it as American.

Like it wasn't left or right, you know.

It's just like, I don't know.

But as the stuff was happening, you were still your profile was growing.

Luckily, every time they ban you on this thing,

a new thing would pop up and you'd just be on that thing.

Yeah.

Like those kids, so like, they, they, when I first put my record up,

they were like, we're not going to stock it in record shops

because your music is weird and it's strange.

Like we don't know where Brown woman fits because you don't fit

with the white thing and you don't fit with the black thing.

And we don't know where to put you and you ain't desi either.

Like you're not making Indian music.

Right.

So we're not going to put you anywhere and we're just not going to

sell your records and they would come to Excel and say that.

Like, tar records and Virgin, mega store and shit.

And I, and Excel will call me in and say,

they don't know where to put your record and I'd be like,

just put in X of the tail.

Like it doesn't go into a rack under genres.

Put in X of the tail and they would like, no.

And luckily for me, lime wire popped off, you know.

Yeah.

And people started downloading it and partly that's because of Diplo

because he was already on tech.

Yeah.

He was already on blogs and having chat rooms and I didn't even have a computer

like that.

But Americans were like 10 years ahead of us, you know,

and on that kind of front.

England hadn't caught up yet.

I was introducing England to the chat room world for the first time because.

It sounded new.

Yes.

The first time I heard you.

Yeah. So it was kind of like popping off because of the internet and thank God for the

internet.

So, so piracy helped you.

Piracy helped me because it got me on chat rooms.

Yeah.

And then when a ruler came out like six months later,

it got downloaded a million times for free.

So the record label didn't sell records.

And my record label told me that Jack White from White Stripes was using all the

vinyl as shooting targets.

He didn't like it.

He didn't like it.

So I don't know, maybe he liked it.

But he was just that there had so many vinyls left over that he he they gave it to him and he was

using it as a shooting ranch, you know, as a target.

And I was like, and then obviously I blew up on the internet because every time it's like,

it's like, I love that my life is like this.

That this is why I believe in God so much because, you know, every time somebody does that,

something else pops off.

Like you just you just can't be cancelled because the entire thing moves.

Yeah, all press is good press.

I don't know.

I don't think that's what's happening to me.

I genuinely, I'm not tied to anything.

Like it's not that nothing is precious, but you're not tied to the world, you know, like I am of the world

bad at the same time.

I don't know.

It's like you, yeah, it's not like that, you know.

But obviously you started collaborating with like a million legendary artists.

Who is the most inspiring?

Ah, that's a nice question.

The most inspiring, I mean loads of people.

To most kind of going through controversial thing with the AI thing right now.

Oh really?

But of course, like it before I worked with them, he was like the legend, you know.

And...

What about Missy?

Madonna, obviously.

I never thought in my life I would meet Madonna, you know.

Were there other female rappers that showed like Missy Elliott?

Yes, and Lauren Hill.

I got to do some dates with her.

I can't say the rate was my favorite song.

Fifth grade.

Amazing.

She was cool because she was like a big girl.

And then all the guys in the videos would be like six pack like, like hunks, right?

It was kind of a reversal of like the hip hop like...

The gaze.

Well like the video...

The female gay.

Yeah, the female gay.

Yeah, exactly.

You worked with Ye?

Yes.

So when I met him, he was the most open-minded out of all the rappers.

He kind of was like hungry.

I think he was just hungry to know everything and learn everything.

And he's like, what's going on, you know.

Yeah.

And...

Because he also went to art school.

Diddy.

I don't know that.

Call a sharp out.

I didn't realize that was an art school.

I know his mom was a teacher.

Yeah.

Is it a Diddy stuff real?

Is all this stuff real?

I have no idea.

Yeah.

Jay-Z caught two.

He caught Epstein and Diddy, right?

Oh.

That's a...

Every time you mention Agnes, I would just smoke like grand Omni.

Oh, you have smoke.

Is there a thing?

What?

Did I touch on a thing with Jay-Z?

No.

You got smoke with him?

Don't try to like...

Do you bang with a thing?

I'm not.

That kind of hurt.

Every time you try to get the thread, I talk about my threads.

Finest copper thread.

Oh, so you, you, you, you, hey Jay-Z, you're going to kill him.

Don't cut that.

Okay.

I didn't say that these words did not come from...

Wait, but is it like...

No, I don't have beef with anyone.

Me neither.

I forgive everyone.

And my relationship with God.

And in Dubai.

That's the only person I'd be with.

How dare you.

How dare you.

I have questions.

But, you know, I think everything is a necessity.

What are your favorite artists working right now?

It's really hard because we're in an AI time, yeah.

So...

With music.

Yeah, and I don't know.

The definition of an artist.

It sucks, though.

It kind of sucks, because I don't know.

You know, is the genius somebody who uses AI?

Or is the genius somebody who absolutely resists it?

And really brings some conversation about that.

Like, I can't tell what I love right now.

Like, I listen to different sounds, for example, like...

Like...

Sorry.

What was that?

That is so New York.

Yeah, for it is huge in New York.

That's slapstick.

Okay, what sounds.

Hulk, hulk.

Boy, yo, yo, yo, yeah.

There's a whole movement in India, right?

There's many different things popping off.

So, they have, like, since lockdown and all of that.

India, if you go to like villages, they have these sound systems that really belongs to the

people, you know, and it's really hard to find. They're not advertised on the internet.

They're like hidden, it's like private secret raves and things, you know, and that, that

what do they play? That kind of movement to me is more thrilling. So it's not sound.

It is sound, it's sound, but they use sound waves to compete. So they set up like speaker

systems and they put... Oh, it's sound class. It's not really like that, but it's literally

about the sound waves. So they put like, say, a bottle of water in the middle of the two

sound systems and someone has to knock it over with the sound. So it's the sound clash,

but it's like noise clash as well. I don't know. So you go then, your particles literally

get rearranged. Like, when you go, you have to lie... Have you been? Yeah, and I've never felt

anything like it. Like I had to lie down for two days and assess like what had happened

to my body and if that was the same person ever again. But people go deaf like for like

three, four days after they go to one of these. And it's just basically... That was horrible.

It's actually not a good feeling. It's not terrible. And there's like, you know, issues

like I spoke to the people in the village and everything and people say, this is not,

you know, this is not real music. You know, this is something else, but this is using sound

in a different way. But they use like, say they take EDM and electronic music from the

West or trans music or dance music and they like just do stuff to it. So hard, yeah.

It's the most intense thing. And then they try to affect the environment, like blow

chairs out of the room and shit, you know? And it's like, that's the dance. That's the

party. That sounds terrible. But it sounds like it's cool. Yeah, so, you know, artistically,

I mean, it depends what you think of as art, really, you know, like we discussed that

yesterday on that. This is how Bob Dylan came up because if art is only judged through

what's popping on TikTok and it's just about a dance routine that kids can copy, then

yes, Bob Dylan would not make it in neither would Kurt Gavrain and neither would, you know,

anybody, even me, you know, even if someone put a gun to my head to do a dance routine,

I don't think I could. How do you take your body? Yeah. I would take the gun.

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So you met your other phone. You're like, I every time I do a podcast, I can't see it.

I'm like, I didn't even know that. But it's like in researching you and learning more

about you, the things that keep popping up seem so nothing. And nobody apologizes for

their nothingness. Well, it's just like for you having boom, boom, boom in the greatest

song ever, for you using the middle finger at the super butt like these are like such

quaint like controversies, right? Yeah.

I heard an interview with Sharon Stone, right? And like her last major performance, I'm

pretty sure a major movie was Casino. You know? And I think like kind of if I'm piecing

things together, it's like, is if you're a woman that's like a little bit to, they can't

be controlled. Like does it serve as a disadvantage of certain points?

This is a really great question. You said they'd be good. That is, that is people putting,

trying to cancel you and put you in a bar. But they're not doing it with Taylor Swift.

They're not because this is what I was saying on the podcast yesterday. Even they did it

to me a few times, even like supporting Julian Assange and now he's a free man. And people

love him now. You know, you're not the problem, but you are the target. Like you said, you're

the target. And why are you a target? It boils down to spirituality, you know, because I do

think it is a spiritual warfare. I think it is because you don't think it's just something

like going to boardroom. It's just like, I'm going to get her, get her. You cannot be on that list

every year for random things. You just cannot. If you're consistently on there, and then I had

to go back to be like, was I on these lists from when I got famous? Or was I on like experiencing

stuff like this in my life throughout my life? And the truth is yes. You know, like there was

always problems. You're cancelled for being a Tamil, you're cancelled for being this, you're

and you know, my school life was not easy. It's not like I was like this, you know, my mother,

my mother would have adopted it. But why would you be cancelled for being from a country?

Like for your ethnicities? Yeah, the thing is, I think that some of these things are an

necessity when you get cancelled. I do, so it's not like I have strong feelings towards this.

To be a female pops are, right? There's a degree of, it's a company, right? It's like Taylor

Swift LLC or something, right? You are somewhat of a free spirit, and do you think that puts you

out of disadvantage? Be on your race. That you're just a person that's not like a CEO of MIA.

When I heard that interview with Sharon, so going back to that, like,

like her assessment was, yeah, that like, they're admitted to decision kind of that, like, you know,

she can't, she's like a 155 IQ and they're like, yeah, we can't, like kind of like.

So what are you saying about Madonna then? Does she get in trouble? She didn't get in trouble.

The music video for like a prayer?

I've been asked the only time she's been in trouble, isn't it?

That's all, what do you think that song's about?

No, but that is the only time she's been in trouble.

No, I think she made the sex book when she was doing erotic,

like a virgin, people didn't like that. I'm down on my knees, I'm gonna take you there.

I know people are saying, I know people are saying that.

And she's giving black Jesus a blowjob, it's her heretical.

She's saying, Jesus was black and that's kind of what Kanye said.

But he got majorly cancelled and she got more famous.

I mean, like, does that, does that float around in your mind or you're just kind of out-of-effective?

You also seem very well adjusted in speaking to you.

Yes, they kept saying, are you traumatized?

Are you traumatized?

You don't want to be in the translations and you're like, no.

For fucking what though?

For what?

Yeah.

That's their ignorance, not mine.

What are you really who's doing it?

Who's saying, casual?

Yeah, so then when I said they, they were like, who's they?

And I thought that that was like a funny thing.

But with me, honestly, I cannot define the they.

The they in my case is many different types of people.

Yeah.

I'm very varied in the palette of they.

It's not the, you know, quotation marks.

It's not in America.

The, like you said, even if it's the robots or the AI and the algorithms doing that,

they're programming the machines to think like that because they're thinking like that.

I think it's just guys that are really rich.

They can just make decisions that are in the industry if they want to probably.

No, but it's cross the board, not just industries.

For us, the board division, division everywhere and hate everywhere.

People only communicate now with negative comments like you said.

Where life is not like that and at.

Oh, it's just like you get a, you've got to do it or you see your dad.

You go fly home and see your dad.

So that you go to vacation with your girl.

You're on a beach.

It's kind of nice.

Yeah, nobody comes up to you again.

Also, those are the things you kind of are at the end of the day that you kind of matter.

So I was like, yeah, like you, what, you flicked off the camera at the Super Bowl next to Madonna.

That's so sick.

Yeah, even Madonna was like that.

Nobody said, oh, the.

Yeah.

Does it affect you?

Like do you want to make tracks?

Like does it affect my music?

Does it affect your desire to create art?

I mean, it's not even music.

No, like no, because that's that's my gift.

You know, like God gave me that.

No one has the right to take that away and no one can.

They don't have the power to do that.

What are you working on right now?

One of these Indian sounds?

No.

At the moment, I'm out of work.

Well, see you there you go.

Like, don't you, don't you, does I mean, you seem like.

No, no, no.

It incredibly like creative individual like.

Yeah.

So when I say that last for about 48 hours, you know,

like at the moment, I have just been making tracks.

Focusing on my clothing line.

So tell us about that.

This is Omni.

And I suddenly do a J.C.

No, no, no, it's got nothing to do with that.

But this is a clothing line basically that came out two years ago

and it's made of metal, you know, to this.

Is it a metal pears?

Yeah, this is copper and this is copper.

And it just like, it's like, it's like Wi-Fi.

Yeah, I mean, this is mesh.

Oh, that's mesh, but what about the pears?

Yeah, I've got kind of sloppy.

Well, this is mixed fabrics.

So it's patch with different ones and some are breathable.

And then it's got a zip.

Make it as breathed.

Wow.

But there's different things and.

And what is the purpose of the metal clothing?

Okay, so you know you live in New York City.

It's actually perfect for New York City.

So you have all these skyscrapers.

And if you look through the window, like every single window on every single skyscraper

is got an internet router, you know?

Yeah, everywhere it is.

Everywhere it is.

Every rooftop has got 5G towers, which is now 6G towers.

And eventually you do it.

6G, came out with 6G?

Yes, and eventually you go to 10 because China's already on 10.

Good, bro.

So if America is killing us, yeah.

They're just killing us.

Do they like flying cars?

Yeah.

I wish I could talk about that because I had to go there to make the stuff.

You were there to get metal clothes?

Yeah, because only they produce the fabric.

But they're already on 10G.

But they also give you that.

So you're saying that the radiation is bad for people's bodies and stuff?

Yes, so you know, like in the last 20 years,

the sperm count in men is gone down 60%.

I didn't know that.

You didn't know that.

No way.

Oh, yeah.

So it's really like protecting your...

But is that in the cell phones?

Yes, because people put cell phones in their pocket.

That sounds like some RF, RF judiors type of.

Well, you know, you used the smart man, isn't it?

Like he's on the wall.

Oh, you see what kind of a like a wacker do you do to me?

Also, you see that video of him trying to do push-ups?

He could do like two.

Even though it's got big wealth,

he's definitely on rollings.

He's in his 70s.

So what?

Whatever my 70s, I'll do three push-ups for sure.

It's just a BMW.

No, I mean...

You don't judge it on that.

But it's obviously like...

Like, you know, he...

I don't know.

I don't know the ins and outs of that.

But is that he's not the only one who knows about this stuff.

There's actually...

Five Gs and so...

Wait, so when did you discover that like the negative health impacts of that?

Because there are people that go to that town in West Virginia that has like no service, right?

I tell you what, it's like...

I've heard of like people...

I am a Tamil and these people are very old in nature.

And I, in my lifetime,

not pass down information and things I've read,

but my entire life is, you know, it's really...

I've come from living in a village with nothing.

No television and no cell phone, no phone even.

And no car...

Like, I come from...

You know...

Yeah.

80's Sri Lanka had nothing and it was a war zone.

Like, it's as well...

And you're a part of it, of course, minority too.

No, but it's also...

It's not...

Outside of the war,

I remember a time with my own brain,

where you did not have anything electronic, you know?

I lived the most organic life in the world.

Like, you pick your fruit off the tree

and you get your vegetable in the garden

and you cook it and you eat it and you live...

Simply alive.

And yeah, and your entertainment was organic.

Like, your travel was organic.

You used the bicycle.

You went to, you know, you wrote on slates.

Is this just because your music is very digital?

I know.

So, in my lifetime, I did 10 years of that.

So, I'm not talking about my grandparents life.

I'm talking about my own life.

Sure.

I remember that.

I remember what it feels like to eat off a banana leaf

and not off a plate, you know?

I remember what it feels like to wear cotton

and see the people that weave that cotton, you know?

And then, obviously, I'm part of the digital revolution

of everything that happened

and all of these things

and wrote a song called Connected to the Google Connects,

the government named my child, I kid.

Like, an iPhone, the same year.

It came out.

That's the first name?

Yes.

And?

Did they go by eye-cade?

Really?

Yeah.

So, like, I embrace technology too.

Like, I'm not a nonce.

No, a nonce is a pedophile, I'm pretty sure.

What do you mean?

Nonce doesn't.

I'm pretty sure.

You know, like, I'm aware of music.

You know what I think right now?

I live in New York.

I know what it feels like.

You know what I'm thinking?

No, I don't know anything about radiation

or anything that could be real, could it be not.

I know that it's labeled like conspiracy, right?

But like, on the other hand, you're an artist, right?

You should be wearing metal clothes, right?

You used to be...

You know why?

Do not permit...

We used to permit metal clothes.

Well, no.

We used to permit for our artists to be...

To be a different...

That's right.

I watched the interview with Marlon Brando,

recently.

And, to be leaders of, like, new thought

and new philosophies and new ideas.

You're right.

Like, you say, are David Bowie?

He premeditated content creators.

And when I was...

When I first came out as an artist,

I was a content creator,

which is why I shot the documentary.

A lot of that footage is self-shot with my own camera.

It's not...

You know, I'm talking about the Miami Tanguia documentary,

where you didn't have an artist

that had footage like that,

because I was the self-econtent creating film

a person before the Arab Digital Social Media.

Like, I shot it on...

I had a camera.

Yeah.

And was addressing the camera all the time.

I used to do jackass videos all those.

Yeah, and this is like...

15 years before that, or whatever.

So when I had that footage

and you were making that footage on my space,

that then became a thing,

content-creating and self-documenting and taking selfies.

And, you know, the cover of Calla is just a selfie photo on photo.

So you've edited it and it was copy?

It's not the point.

What I'm saying is...

No, but what I'm saying is,

just like David Barry, 20 years before said,

there's going to be content creators.

Yeah.

And yes, you just got...

You're doing the thing he said and we're like,

wow, he foresaw the thing.

Yeah.

Some artists have the ability to be the zeitgeist.

I like it when you're wearing metal clothes,

because you're dope.

You're a genius.

Well, the metal...

No, what I'm saying is...

Why would you not wear clothes made out of silver and gold

and copper and these things?

These two luxuries.

Because I'm carefully going with it.

You know, I like a breathable material.

I like a cotton.

Yes, but you know, copper, in the ancient times,

the yogis used copper is an antibacterial method.

So they stored water in copper parts.

You know, they ate from copper plates

and they did wear copper bracelets and things.

Yeah, because...

They didn't have toilet paper, also.

It doesn't matter.

The point is the beneficial...

I'm not trolling, actually.

No, it's not trolling,

but it is beneficial to the human body.

Natural material.

We are made of dust.

If you believe in...

You know, that we are made of material

or come from the stars or whatever people believe,

like made from the dust in the material world.

Yeah, well, we're made of God's image.

Yes, and when we die, our body goes back to the ground,

back to the minerals.

So sad.

And our soul and spirit goes to God.

Yeah.

You know, but our vessel is made of the material from earth.

So obviously anything made from the material of earth is good for you.

Yeah.

You know, why wouldn't it be?

Yeah.

I mean, I don't know.

It sounds like you're from California to me.

But, you know, I mean it.

But like, but you could be right.

But like, I don't want to like...

I think you're a genius.

And I think it's like...

I think it's dope they're wearing metal clothes.

Honestly.

And I think that it's like...

I think that everyone wants to hate on everything.

And like that, you know, I can see how that...

Like, people's reaction would be like,

oh, that's conspiracy,

sees whatever.

But like, whatever, dude.

Like, you know, Robert De Niroca wear metal clothes.

I would have said, 10th, 25 years ago, you said,

someone's going to make a thing that goes into your brain,

with your own length.

I would have been like conspiracy theory.

You know that guy.

I don't.

But, but why, why would you...

You boys with muscles.

I'm not actually...

That's something they didn't have made up.

That's conspiracy theory.

Going back to what I was saying about you just being an

enigmatic individual,

I can see how people like,

want to like,

weaponize that.

And it's just to me, after talking to you about art,

and about how you feel about art,

it pisses me off.

Because like, truly like...

What matters is like,

is like that you're like,

creativity,

you know,

what matters is that you make art

and it affects people,

and you put it out.

And I think you do.

And I think you are a genius.

Well, you're thinking...

Dom is fucked.

I don't know if you do this.

It's no, no, no.

I didn't say I'm a genius either,

because...

You can't say it about yourself.

Oli Kanye does.

Only Kanye does.

And Kanye did say that I was one.

Once, yeah.

Then he said, no.

He changes his mind.

He changes his liver.

He changes his liver.

You down to get a little bit of 5G,

so I can talk to Kanye.

I use technology.

That's why I'm wearing this.

Like, this is constant.

Okay, so get in her food.

Let's call Kanye right now.

I just want to say what up.

Kanye's not talking to me right now.

Why?

Because...

Because you put...

Why?

Because I don't know, actually.

He was like, no.

You've been making art in the public eye for like 20 years, right?

Yes.

Does it feel like things have changed significantly?

Like, does it feel like the way you're treated as an artist

and like the way people interact with your art is different?

Does it make it more difficult or is it more...

This is why Americans want to know,

like, have they done a successful job at deleting my, you know, history

and my abilities or my gift or my talent and...

I don't know how they want to do it.

They ask me this question a lot.

They're like, has it, you know, what...

Can you delete it in your art, Kelly?

And I don't know if it's like the...

You're not art, Kelly.

No, of course not.

And honestly, we should...

Why would it matter?

Like, what you ate a french fry?

I eat french fries still.

I love potato.

Like, like I said, I want my husband to be like a potato

that is versatile.

You can fry it, mash it, really.

Mr. Potato has it.

Everything.

And I'm like...

I'm never going to give up eating potatoes

because the New York Times didn't like it.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, it's so much to be...

Is it going to change your life?

Does it change your life?

And it's like,

No, you have to look at the machine and be like,

that's the machine.

But the machine suffers too.

Like, they do that to you,

but they suffer too, you know.

And you have to look at that and be like,

they, in 10 years' time,

they will be living in the environment that they create.

And every time we can...

Oh, they get fucked off, dude.

My girlfriend's still going to be mad about

that we need a new bed frame or shit.

The machines are going to ever stop that from happening.

And we got a bed frame when you're a half ago.

She says, she says it's too squeaky.

No, but...

That's insane.

Yeah, but you have to think that...

You have a nice house?

Do I have a nice house?

Yeah, it's probably amazing.

I live in the rented house in America.

I didn't ask you if you would.

There's probably just awesome stuff inside of it.

No, no at all.

I live in an empty house.

Oh, you're like Steve Jobs, so...

Oh, what's his style?

I think like one chair in the middle of a white warehouse.

Yeah, I did that for a bit.

That cognated cognated, I was just like that.

Let's just call him squash the beef.

And I'll make it right for him.

I love him so much.

That's good. He needs love.

I know.

And he needs the love for me.

But so does a lot of people.

A lot of people need love.

Yeah, do you feel like you need love?

I think God found unlimited amount in God.

Oh, but that's not like how you could chill with watching a movie.

Wow, it's a different one.

You feel like if you're watching a movie, God's watching it with you?

Actually, funny enough, yes.

But he's not making jokes about the movie.

No, chilling with your friends,

I'm making jokes about a bad movie.

God can't do that.

No, that's a different kind of love, though.

Friendship love.

There's like seven types of love.

But the infinite,

abundant,

you know, forgiving love is from God, you know.

And so you can say it's in yourself and you find it,

but that's loving yourself and allowing God to,

you know, exist in that space and whatever.

And, you know, and it creates the universe to interact with you in a certain way

that you love is everywhere.

Yeah, but we should just watch a bad movie with my...

Like what?

What's the making jokes about it?

What did you see the heat?

What do you want to watch?

What should we watch?

The room?

Have you seen the room before?

I wanted to see that.

Yeah, we got to show for the room.

I haven't seen it so, uh, manager.

Can we watch the room, please?

What?

So direct to my timer, so...

Written by timer, so sorry, timer, so...

Okay, yeah.

This reminds me of like the bad porn, maybe,

is my friend needs to make it.

It's the acting level of porn.

I cannot tape it.

Why are you doing this?

This is like...

Justine, this is outside of our...

No, this is somebody who didn't make it to their therapy session.

So basically, I'm on the Adam Friedman TV show,

and he's put on a whole bunch of...

You just need it.

No, he's not porn.

Honestly, this is our YouTube, you see, or nipple.

Pretty cool.

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