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The Italian job 2003, Mark Wahlberg, Charlize, Jason Statham, Seth Green, most deaf, Ed

Norton, who has taken a life of its own in this movie.

We're going to save this.

We have a nice spot to talk about this.

This movie is just a great hang.

It's everything I want in an hour and 50 minute movie.

Just a great time.

If I came to you in 2003 at the beginning of the year and I said, do you like Ocean's

11?

You're like, yeah.

I was like, do you like Fast and Furious?

You're like, yeah.

I was like, what if we put the two together?

It had mini-coopers racing all over Los Angeles.

You take that and this is what you get.

This is a delightful paper.

It's like the movie is the lesser version of Ocean's 11, but the prestige version of

the Fast and Furious.

Exactly.

And just incredibly watchable.

I saw it in the theaters, like I think two or three times.

My man, Steph and worked at the city place.

So we will go there.

You always drop more like those going to know, Steph.

My man, Steph and I went to high school with him and then he worked his way up to

manager and we was just going crazy at city place.

We saw the Italian job.

I'm doing my CR thinks who could have been Harrison Ford?

Little son.

How does it take right now?

Wow.

Stephon?

I think this movie basically super charged the Fast and Furious franchise.

I think from Fast 4 on, they heard the full story.

They were like, no, the Italian job came out in 03.

And I think as they were trying to figure out how to expand Fast 4 and beyond, they were

like, just do like what they did in the Italian job.

And I think all the DNA from there leading to culminating in the F. Gary Gray directing

Charlize and Statham are all in like fast eight or fast nine together.

But all that when you watch how this movie set up the different locations, we got to get

a job.

Let's get the crew together.

Hey, if you met this person, oh, we have like the wise cracking person who's, you know,

that we have the computer, internet person.

We have like the driver.

We have some love interests.

We got to go in these locations.

We have crazy driving stunts.

We have a bad guy.

This is fast.

The fact that the movie ends up becoming about actually the personal relationships between

which actually the whole fast and Furious.

These are people by the end.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I end up it.

So why not more sequels?

What the fuck happened?

How did we not have the Spanish job and the Australian job?

Oh, there would be the Brazilian job.

There's a Brazilian job.

Yeah.

I mean, fucking wasted opportunity though.

I'm just making like, he's just making three movies a year.

He can just stuck in the seat.

He was arguably just goes on like he's like, it can be called the Italian job.

It can be called, you know, whatever you want to call it.

But like I make these movies every 18 months anyway.

So it's like, if you wanted to make it, you could have.

But I thought it was a watch going back to this.

It was such a great time capsule.

Not only to like a certain era of digital technology, a point in all of these people's

careers where you're like, oh man, it's all out in front of you.

This is crazy.

Yeah.

A kind of Hollywood mid table blockbuster that's still cared enough about craft stuff where

it was like, no man, that fucking speedboats really going to fly off the back of another boat.

Yeah.

And crash into something.

You know what I mean?

Like, it's not all going to be CGI.

There's not going to be CGI explosions.

It's like real stunts, real machines.

And the actors doing the stunts.

Yeah.

There's a bunch of stuff in this movie where you go, how'd they do that?

That one and Venice with the two speedboats are coming down different canals.

Right.

And they have to turn and say, Jesus Christ, I wonder, like, was there a take where they

just crashed into each other?

It's a cool last movie.

Everybody looks great.

Everybody looks great.

Everybody looks phenomenal.

Like you got excited when you saw the poster.

Oh, Charlie's and Mark and most deaf.

It's like, oh shit.

You like, I got to see that.

I got to see what they all put together.

Ed Norton gives this movie a seriousness that might have not existed.

So we'll talk about it.

That may have not existed.

Had he not been on it because you look at that guy and you go, well, this has to be kind

of a movie that you take seriously.

That's a guy from Primal Fear.

That's a guy from Primal Fear.

That's the guy from whatever, whatever.

He's done all this.

Ed Norton is the key person in this movie because the weight that he brings where it's

like, oh, this isn't just fast too.

Yeah.

This is a movie that Ed Norton has decided to be in.

And as we're going to later.

There's only one.

I believe it's like, yeah.

It was inspired by the 1960s and I in British film.

It's kind of a no-mash.

Yeah.

I don't think I haven't seen that one.

I think it has the international globe-trying caper quality.

You got three world class cities.

Venice, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, all featured.

And I think it had a little bit of that James Bond inventiveness of like taking things

that maybe you hadn't seen done in that certain way, like in a Bond movie.

I have like a mini helicopter in this.

It's the mini Cooper.

But it's just like the idea of like what's it?

What's something people haven't seen before when it comes to a car chase or when that

comes to a heist?

Also, kind of an underrated LA movie.

I'm really good at LA movie.

If you're talking about, they don't make them like this anymore.

They don't.

Like when you're watching this movie, can you imagine them trying to do this at Hollywood

Boulevard now?

Tough.

No way.

They probably destroy the water supply for the entire city.

They shut down Hollywood Boulevard.

It was before we started working on Jimmy's show.

So I think because they filmed in 02, they shut it down for seven days.

Right.

Like nobody could go on Hollywood Boulevard.

300 cars on Hollywood and Highlands for a week.

Yeah.

But the movie, I'm never be able to do that now.

The movie is counting on you to buy into the fact that LA is a cool character in movies.

And movies used to do that.

By the way, LA was much cooler in 2003.

Like they had made a concerted effort to try to rejuvenate downtown in Hollywood.

They're filming, I think in the research, SWAT, Hollywood homicide, and this movie,

we're all being filmed at the exact same time in downtown LA.

Like I don't film fucking anything.

I also like the idea that the person who cast this movie, Sheila Jaffe, I think she was

also the casting agent for Entourage.

And there's like an LA set kind of collection of actors.

And you know, like Walberg and Norton are obviously on like the ascendancy in their careers

here.

Had Charlize done monster yet?

Like, no, no, no, no, that hasn't happened yet.

Yeah.

Like her serious turn.

Wait a minute, let's make sure about that.

But her serious turn here.

No, it's the same year.

No, it's the same year.

Yeah.

But let me see when it came out.

I think there's a Seth Green interview where he's like she was telling me about monster.

Right.

But I don't think it had come after.

It's after.

It's much later.

Her like ascendant to the top of the industry happens like just after this.

Right.

I mean, if we really want to dive into this with Charlize, this is.

This is like one of those NBA seasons where you can't believe all the talent when we're

talking about scarlets coming up now.

Angelina's at her peak.

You have Aniston and the friends crew.

You have Charlize coming up out in a way.

I know what you want to say.

What's he want to say?

I'm going to say this is the white Renaissance.

This is the white girl.

The white.

The wet.

It's the white.

How he just done swordfish.

No, I get no.

I'm not talking about.

When the monsters fall come out, monsters fall.

It's got to be in this right there.

It's a legendary performance.

That's a 83 point game right there.

No one's put up those types of numbers since.

Make me feel good.

Make me feel good.

I was like, yeah, man, make me feel good.

I'll get to it.

Come on, Billy.

But I make her feel good.

He didn't say no.

Just make her feel good.

But yeah, but like, and you know what?

I will say that if you look at the draft capital of all of those young ladies that work,

that's a good draft class because they all pan down, but the most part.

And if you watch season one, season two, entourage and a bunch of them are popping in on that

one too.

And then you're kind of dip into the world.

Yeah, you're looking at Charlize.

This is basically seven years here.

Devil's Advocate, which we've done on the rewatch was that was 97.

Two days in the valley was 96.

Astronaut's wife was 99, which was bad.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

Rainier games 2000.

I'm always going to defend them.

I love that movie.

Yeah.

She's in a bunch of stinkers, like bagger, vans, man of honor, sweet November, 15 minutes.

It goes on and on.

And it hadn't really happened for yet.

And I really think it was this, which made a ton of money and then monster, monster,

the credibility.

And then she went up a level.

But I think she was, you know, you had her stock for a few years.

What did you have her coming for for the pod?

2017, 18 range.

Was that Mad Max?

I think it was fast.

Oh, I don't remember because I blacked out for that.

You aren't even there.

Was it an atomic blonde?

Oh, maybe that was 2017.

I left my body.

I was levitating above myself.

Yeah.

But yeah, so this was kind of the end of that version of Shirley's, I think.

And then Walberg, who gets cast because of Gary Gray loves bookie nights, but it's funny

watching when this movie where it's, it still feels a little dirt big, lyrish, like

the hair kind of has like, in his sentence, he's not really weathered.

Mark Walberg yet.

He still seems young.

Yeah.

I had a carrier movie.

He's had some hits and some misses.

He's trying to do something.

He's trying something.

He's trying something I don't think he ever tried to do, which is to do the George Coney

Oceans 11 thing as being the understated cool main guy.

Yeah.

And after this, I don't think he really tries it again.

He leans into the Mark Walbergness of almost every performance he's in after this.

Well, this movie has like a light touch that he doesn't usually do.

Like, he doesn't in comedy, is it whatever, but contraband or like,

bunch of the like the thriller action movie he makes the ones he's made with Pete

Berg, like, they're kind of like the dude is very traumatized.

Something very like bad has happened in his past.

He's a kid counting for this.

It's almost like Charlize takes a lot of that because it's the Donald Sutherland plot

line.

So he's almost just like, it's not about the gold.

It's about getting, you know, like the steady.

He's the steady.

He's a charisma role.

Yeah.

Right.

Then he's in the big hit Corruptor, three Kings, the yards, perfect storm, which we did.

Yeah.

Plenty of the apes, which was bad.

Rockstar, which was terrible in the truth about Charlie.

So it wasn't really happening.

But then after this, Huckabee's and Vince Bull, Departed, Shooter, other guys, Fighter,

like he goes, goes up a level, all leading to Ted, which nobody saw in a million years.

Like he would ever be in a movie like that.

And was I think the most successful one he's done.

But by the time he gets to Ted to my point, he officially knows about the Mark Wahlberg

Joe and who he is.

Yeah.

And he's playing into it.

He's a high a-lister by the time we get to the 2010s.

Boy, God damn it.

Do I not ride for Shooter?

Not only do I think that there's nothing wrong with Shooter.

I'm, I know that my taste is shit.

I think Shooter is a legit banger.

Maybe two Shooter.

We did fucking love Shooter.

Oh, we did Shooter.

What do you mean?

Like, I, were you on it?

I must have been.

I'm a swagger.

I'm a swagger.

Probably fucking swagger.

One last job.

Well, I must have been on Shooter.

It was you too in Shay.

Right.

That makes sense.

Glover comes in.

Yeah, Shay's perfect for that.

Glover comes in.

And he wants.

Evil Danny Glover.

Evil Danny Glover.

The best.

Comes in.

He wants to get Bob Lee swagger's fucking attention.

So he shows him his medal of honor.

What?

That type of shit, bro.

Shooter was great.

Some Kate Mariner.

Mariner.

But yeah, so just like say, Bob Lee swagger goes in Shooter and Max on his dead spotters,

girl.

But it doesn't even feel bad.

I fuck with it.

It was a little like in homicide when Brody's wife starts checking up with Mike, which

I just watched.

Brody came home.

It's like, hey, homely.

Not homely.

Not homely.

The homely.

But back over for dinner.

I don't think so.

You like Brody's wife at Homeland fan?

Homeland to show up.

I've never seen it.

Really?

How's that?

What season are you on now?

The Blondtspot.

I stopped after two.

I lost interest.

Ed Norton.

We could do it now.

Do you want me to say what the categories would have been?

Because this is going to be my flex.

Yeah, do your flex now.

Do it now.

My flex was going to be.

I had a two-parter.

I was going to give Ed Norton the Steven Segal shooting on himself award for most unbelievable

anecdote from the actual film shoot.

I had that right there, which was the Norton casting saga.

I also was going to give Ed Norton a special reverse Peter North award for the least

amount of effort put into the movie, aka the driveler.

Just basically his vibe when he's standing around and getting his cable fixed in this

movie, he's like, I was in fucking primal fear, man.

What are we doing here?

This is why we have to talk about this at the top.

One of the reasons this movie is so rewatchable is how bizarre Ed Norton's performance is.

And I forgot until doing the research, the whole story in the background.

And then it all makes sense because he's basically warm and rounders, but on autopilot.

Yes.

It's like he went into the closet and he's like, I'll just bring out warm, but my heart's

not really in it.

And he's got the same mustache, beard thing.

He's a scumbag like warm is, but just doesn't.

It's a mail-in.

Now everybody's a fun mail-in.

I got to say.

I got to say.

The movie said that he was nothing but professional.

Right.

Oh, okay.

But leading up to the film, he had signed a two-movie deal with Paramount.

He got paid.

No, it was primal fear.

And then two more.

Okay.

So basically, does primal fear, he becomes an Oscar-enominated, best young actor of his generation,

going up for all these different roles against Damon and Aflacan.

All these guys are jockeying for, you're going to be in the Rainmaker, but I'm going to be in,

well, so he was 75K for the movie after primal fear and then 125K for the one after.

Yes.

And then as C.R. says, he ascends.

So he keeps doing these other movies for other studios and Paramount's like, you got,

you fucking owe us some movies, man.

And they had basically an agreement that was, he does fight club for five.

He comes to a hit with a fight club.

He comes to a hit with my name.

And they're like, all right, what the fuck, dude?

You owe us some movie.

Fox written.

Fox said, well, if you don't figure this out with Paramount, then you can't fucking do

about that.

So he's like, let me do fight club and I promise I'll do this next movie, but he asked

Paramount to bump some up to a million.

And he asked Sherry Lansing.

He's like, but please don't put me in a piece of shit.

And she's like, I will never make you do a movie against your will.

So he wants town to Mr Ripley, a cast met Damon.

He wants Mission Impossible 3, no part for him.

Want some to produce 25th hour.

Nope.

No, thank you.

Now the clock's ticking.

Yeah.

There's another movie that Paramount co-financed and Ed Norton tried to be like, well, that's

my movie for you guys.

The score.

The score.

Yeah.

And they were like, no, we co-financed it.

That's not our movie.

We keep trying to offer him stuff and trying to put him in the core with Hillary Swank.

He's like, no.

And by this point, this is like, there's a whole crazy story.

And by and he goes, he goes and gets Marty Singer, who if you ever heard that name is one

of the true apex predators of this entire town and his industry, but something else happens

at this point.

That's who I should have hired when he is paying try to fuck with me.

Get Marty Singer.

I just like talk to Marty Singer.

He's my lawyer.

Listen to me.

Listen to me.

My time at TMZ.

Yeah.

That's not a shark you want to be in.

I know what that name coming in.

Yeah.

No, he.

But also at this same time, his asking price has gone up to $10 million per film.

And Paramount's getting him at one.

They have him locked in at a million dollars.

So not only is he doing a movie that created him.

He's going to get paid that much for it.

He's taking a $9 million haircut to do the movie.

Yeah.

And Marty Singer is doing the, if you want the best possible performance in the best possible

movie, you would want to force an actor of his caliber to perform against his will.

Yes.

And something that happens in this that almost never happens.

They big, dig Marty.

Well, they got Patricia Glazer and they also were just like, we will sue you.

We will sue you.

And it's not normally.

He's basically dining out on Sherry Lansing promised me in a room that I wouldn't have

to do a movie I don't want to do.

And you guys are now saying that's not the case.

And it gets to the point where it's basically like, he does this so that he can make fight

club and so that he doesn't get sued.

But this is well after fight club.

Yeah.

I mean, I think what really happens is this has a really bad effect on his career.

Like you go and you look at the movies he makes after a time job.

He's on the opposite of a heater from O3 on.

This is his last really successful movie for a while and he's really unhappy in the

Hulk.

Right.

And makes a couple.

And by the time we get to the 2010s, he's in born identity happily.

Born legacy.

Born legacy.

Yeah.

And Ben's not be about interesting career.

I've never, did you read this story, Craig?

So what happens if this happens now in the internet in 2026?

This would be known immediately.

This would be written about in real time as it's happening.

I mean, the Melanie's doing pods about this.

Yeah.

It's just happening in a much different way.

While obsession was still in the theaters, there was a huge argument about like who was

participating in the profits for obsession.

Yeah.

Like this would be in real time document.

Now there is also a level of reporting being done about this and the quotes the lawyers

are giving and the quotes.

It was New York observer.

Yeah, but there was also like, there's a nameless producer giving a quote that's like,

because Norton goes around basically like saying, I don't want to do Italian job.

It's piece shit.

And he's like, if I had a guy who was badmouthing my movie like this, I'd go fuck the way I'd

let him on the set.

You know, like, so everybody is kind of weighing in on it.

So I watched, I watched this movie the first time before I read that story.

And then I watched it the last night knowing the story and knowing all the intricate details.

And it was fascinating.

So it is.

And the worm thing is such a good pool.

So they do feel like this guy feels like if worm lost all reason for living.

And he was just going through the motions because I'll tell you something about worm.

When you watch that fucking movie, that is such a magnetic sizzling performance.

Every single fucking line delivered from his own fire.

He is on fire.

He believes it completely.

He is completely like, so he's surrendered to his worldview.

Every single, even when he gets his ass kicked, like he's still jumping off of the screen.

And in this one, Norton looks almost pale.

He's so nice.

He uses a worm line at the end.

When he says whatever, he says, whatever helps you sleep at night, sweetheart.

That's right.

One of worms lines around us.

I think you just like fuck it.

I'm just going to openly be worm.

I wonder if anyone's ever asked him, did you just say I can't believe I have to be in

this movie, I'm just going to be worm.

But by all accounts, the other actors were like, it's not like he refused to come out

of his trailer or anything.

It's just that he was like, you guys have me for a month.

Let's do it.

I'll try to.

He did have a quote after my real fan should give this a miss.

Okay.

I mean, look.

Before they have CR, we didn't rewatch.

We just tweeted that out.

Yeah.

Talent job.

My real fan should be real fan.

This is all the CR heads.

Take this one off.

Yeah.

But I'll say this.

This goes back to because you're right.

This goes back.

You're right.

When they were talking about it, he said they said that, hey, he had all these ideas with

the character.

He came in.

He was totally engaged.

The reality is if actor of his cover, he was used on rounders.

Yes.

Actor of his caliber.

If he's not, if he's not totally locked in, it is just no way over the course of an entire

film for him to camouflage that.

Well, when we did domestic disturbance, we talked about how Trabolta was really engaged

for about two thirds of the movie.

And then the last 30 minutes, you could just see the life leaving his body in domestic

disturbance.

Every actor except for the kid real asses.

Yeah.

And Ed Norton, I think the first 20 minutes, and the first 20 minutes of this movie is

spectacular.

Yeah.

And I think he's into it, but it feels like by the end.

Well, I don't think, I mean, how can you have a bad time in Venice and the Alps?

Right.

You just be like, this is pretty cool.

Near the end, they're like, all right, Ed, you're meeting that helicopter.

Just try to look evil.

You're going to be facing, Walker.

This is the scene that to me really underscores this is the cable girl scene where she walks

in there in uniform looking at the peak of Charlize that we've ever seen.

And he has to try to convince us that he's trying to hit.

Yeah.

And it's just not coming off at all.

It doesn't seem like he's really into it.

She looks as beautiful in this movie as she's ever looked.

We're dealing with her in her peak form.

And he just in the scene, I'm watching, I'm like, I mean, he does ask out his cable guide

within the minute.

He does, but it don't seem like he want to do it.

It seemed like Paramount made him do it.

Well, I think that I'll make his defense for him.

Which is that that character doesn't really want anything.

Like that's the problem is like when he gets the gold, he's like, I just bought everything

that you guys wanted.

He moved to Los Feliz.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He moved to Los Feliz.

Like you didn't get the goal and go to like Antigua or tomatoes and stuff like that.

Stay thumb.

He's handsom Rob in this movie.

Had really happened for him 100% yet.

He'd done lock stock.

He'd bounced in some stuff.

He was in snatch.

He was in mean machine.

He was in the transporter.

But it wasn't until Crank, I think that he became one man franchise.

I know I hadn't happened yet.

Well, he was still holding on to the hair.

Oh, he didn't shave it off.

He hadn't shaved it off yet.

Well, I'll talk about it a little bit later.

But like, is this the first state movie we've ever done?

Can't be.

You guys haven't done lock stock one here?

We didn't do snatch.

No, I don't think this might be the first one.

Are you a state thumb beekeeper working man?

I've seen them all.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I really enjoy him.

Yeah, it's like I don't.

It's weird that we haven't done one on rewatchables, but

he definitely has a specific.

I remember like Vinny Jones.

They were really trying to make as like be this guy, this tough English guy.

And then state them kind of took that from him.

I'll say this about Jason's.

Dave and we both know what we're here for.

Yeah.

Something bad happened.

Stay with them.

He gives me one I need.

I give him $10.

You know, like true.

The beekeeper.

Yeah.

Claire Huxable dies.

Police for shot dies at the beginning of the movie.

But we know you must fucking kill.

You walk into a whole tech room.

Kills everybody.

Fuck everybody up.

Kicks him.

Looks great doing.

He's amazing.

People have been doing it 60 70s.

This was Charles Branson for 10 years.

Eastwood was on the high end of some of the stuff.

We had, you know, Van Dam.

We've had these guys.

We need these guys.

There's not a lot of states.

I'm saying more.

No.

A lot of people could be like, this guy is just going to get revenge on people.

Alan Allen richen is basically like the successor, but he mostly makes streaming stuff.

I tell you also that the state them this is incredibly bankable.

Like you put 30 or 40 million into the state them.

Verse.

You go and you withdraw 80 90 100 million dollars.

100 100 every single time.

People like him doing what the fuck he does.

Yeah.

Shea, I think it was shea had a funny tweet where he was like they shouldn't even title Jason

Statham movies.

This is called.

She's just taken state them for a state.

People go see it.

State them and then the year it comes out in state of 26.

Yeah.

Charlize.

We talked about earlier at the end of her smoke show worldwide tour, which lasted from 96 to

96.

Before she did monster and moved into serious actress them.

I got this email from richen toronto.

It was for the rewatchables mail back.

And he started out this one will be seconded by Craig.

He just immediately wanted Craig's approval.

And it was instead of sometimes dancing around the idea of an actor's appearance, just leaned

into it with a new category called the milacuneus and forgetting Sarah Marshall appearance apex mountain

for is this the most attractive a person has ever been in a movie.

And to keep it equitable, you can do the male equivalent to Harrison for the witness as you talked about depending on the thing.

So I think this is a good one to break this out at a quality shit.

Look, this is one of the things.

Well, I'm thinking it's dumbass shit.

This is one of the things that I most have.

Why are you putting it Craig?

Because it's the it's difficult.

I'll tell you what this is the thing I have most most beef with your fucking generation about.

Okay.

Remember when I never forgot this.

Remember a long time ago you talked about the fact that there were like just breasts in the movie for no reason.

I think it was trading places trading places.

Okay.

Or maybe like a lethal weapon.

No, it was genius.

I was curious to do it.

But there's no such thing as unnecessary nudity.

All nudity is necessary.

Hotness.

Tell that to Will Gluck.

Yeah, the Monica Barber earth director.

I think that guy's just trying to drive up directors cut sales.

By the way, that got passed around for three days.

That was a great quote by him.

Well, take something.

And now we're waiting on the end of the show.

Soarfish.

I went to see swordfish.

But your fault.

Shut up.

I went to see swordfish because Hallibary was at her most powerful physical form in swordfish.

And for other reasons too, right?

I went to see Hallibary Topless in swordfish.

That was a selling point of the moon.

Heaven's prisoners Terry Hatcher was another one.

So he should jack on.

I would see that together.

I told that story.

I told popcorn right for the nude scene.

You still mad about it.

You did it extra, but we were in diner.

But that to me is a completely to see beautiful people on screen.

Yeah.

And to recognize that they are beautiful is a completely.

Well, they did this movie knows the two.

This movie starts with her in bed wearing a t-shirt.

And the phone rings and she wakes up and rolls over his dad.

And it's just like, yeah.

I don't disagree with you.

We're off.

And over the last three years of doing rewatchables now in an 80s movie and there's not nudity.

I'm like, what the fuck?

Yeah.

But this is just vision and flesh.

I'm like, what do we do?

I don't understand this wrong.

Just wait until about last thing.

The only the one that I only think is honestly not even my it was even the generation below me.

Will Glock was like, we test screened it and Gen Z doesn't want doesn't feel comfortable saying nudity and moving together.

Which is crazy to me.

I get it.

But why should we give a fuck?

These are the same group of people who won't go to a bar and talk to each other and then leave and have sex.

Why would we we used to do that and we had fun doing it.

Why are we taking social cues and fucking advice and input from them?

They're the ones complaining that they're lonely.

Be lonely.

Glock.

I'm just being real.

Be lonely.

I'm not tripping at all.

I think it's a major problem.

I hope everybody gets over it.

We wouldn't go through that shit.

Sure.

We like new movies.

We like going looking at hot people.

We like it.

There's nothing to be ashamed of.

You're a human fucking being.

What the shit are we doing?

People we've talked about this on pods before about people were more used in the 80s and 90s to being in rooms with other people as new to the insects was happening.

The relationship now is a private thing and when we're in public like the invite when it seemed like everybody was going to have sex.

Yes.

You could feel the theater.

Everybody's trying to go.

I could feel the tension in the theater like, oh no, are we going to have sex in it?

But in a good way.

Like in a way that we're going to see.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I think that tension helped them.

Yeah.

I have a feeling that the theater people were like, is he going to go down on her?

And it was like, that was like, there was a palpable tension in the room.

Am I tripping?

Are we just freak nasty dogs?

No.

Because we used to all go to a movie theater together to like watch this.

Is it weird?

No.

Now you got me rethinking it.

No, I fucking.

No, you sounded like Vince Vaughn and wedding crashes.

You're like needing you wanting you.

You're like, you're going to be a hit to pay.

I mean it.

You would go to the reason why do you need a sex scene in the movie?

Because people fucking real life.

They take their clothes off and they have sex.

And if I go to the film, it is not to me.

Like it's part of the suspension of the reality that these two hot people had sex.

Okay, what happens after this part?

Well, not to turn in their shot.

But I think this starts in the 70s with the awakening of a bunch of different people

and movies being used to push the sexuality and don't look now.

Last time going Paris, they're trying to actually push the envelope

and make people uncomfortable in the theater.

Midnight cowboy a little bit.

And that just kept going and going through the 80s.

And then there was through the 80s.

The 80s era where it was, it is kind of like Jamie Lee Curtis could have gotten through that scene

without taking her top off.

I'm not mad that she did.

Yeah.

But like it's, it's like, and that's pretty important.

I just don't want to derail the part as much as I, but if you go back and watch that scene,

I could argue that there's a narrative reason why I'm doing this.

Sure, yeah.

I'm just saying in 2026, she probably would not have done that.

Well, like, Lee felt weapon opening with the woman who's topless and she jumps off the hotel.

She had a drug problem though.

Yeah, she was, she was one of the sun.

Right.

I'm not saying I dislike it.

It was like when I was going back and watching all these movies, I was like,

man, this doesn't really happen now.

Like he would not be with any of the beginning of John Wick.

There's a topless woman.

I mean, not what happens now.

Wait a little cragsy is about last night.

They go crazy in that bitch.

Again.

All the funerals.

No, no nudity in this film, right?

No.

Yeah.

And one night only, then the whole premise is like, this is one night of year, we kind of sex.

You think you'd see nudity.

So can't say something about the fact that there's no nudity in this movie.

The fact that there's the, the PG 13 is PG 13.

There is something really missing from this movie.

And what's the set up?

Two things.

What's really, what's really, what's really missing from this movie is the chemistry that's supposed

to exist between Mark Wahlberg and Charlotte.

I have that way.

I agree with you.

I have that coming.

And because they don't really like brother and sister.

Yeah, they don't get into it at the end when they're on the gondola together, it seems very

hollow and it doesn't ring.

They can't decide what they want to do because like Donald Sutherland is a father figure

in Mark Wahlberg.

So I feel like they were like, well, that'd be weird then if he starts dating Charlie

Sharon and his into her.

But then I feel like they needed a romantic end to the movie to make it feel satisfying.

So it's true fact that she Charlize carries a lot of that character.

But I don't know what that character is supposed to be.

Oh, I think the, it's the reverse problem is that Charlie is the weakest link.

Yeah.

I think Wahlberg is just kind of like, I'm a guy standing here in a t-shirt.

And I say, like, I'm nice to everybody.

But like, there's no, there's no any, there's no juice to that character.

No, he's just, it's a charisma only.

He doesn't even seem that smart.

He's like the guy who plans everything.

But at least like a damage I never had my father.

Yeah.

And now I know I crack safes but for the government.

I just had no handle on the character.

But guess what?

I didn't really care because it's hang out.

Charlize Fridao 50.

F. Gary Gray was the director.

Just quite an IMDB for this guy.

Yeah.

Can I give you a couple of them?

Please.

His first movie they directed was Friday.

He did the Italian job.

He did straight out of Compton.

He did fat, fated, furious.

He did law-biting citizen.

It's basically he did be cool.

They negotiated just action.

Very good at action.

Yeah.

Wide shot.

Shit going down.

Things blowing up.

Really, really, really solid action director.

Yeah.

Also during this time, something else was, it was really interesting.

Something else really interesting was happening in Hollywood.

Is that these career music video directors?

That you had always seen at the bottom of the credit.

The spell.

Gary Gray.

Yeah.

Tim Story.

Like, being boom, high Williams.

All of these guys were getting their shot to be big time.

Craig Robinson, I think.

A lot of these guys were getting it.

Not Craig Robinson.

What's a guy's name?

Black guy did whatever.

Did a bunch of music videos.

Was it was it the first Craig Robinson?

He might have been.

All of these guys were getting their opportunities in Hollywood.

And it was interesting to see which ones of them were going to get a chance to make big successful

movies.

Tim Story, F Gary Gray.

We're amongst the most successful guys to come out of that crowd people that were known

as music video director.

Chris Robinson.

Chris Robinson is what I'm talking about.

Chris Robinson.

How do you feel about the name F Gary Gray as a director?

I think it's cool.

I think it's cool too.

I like, I like.

Did they come Gary on set or they do?

They call them Gary.

Yeah.

We definitely called them FGG like Joe Houseway if Joe House is on his set FGG Joe House called

J Captain J Captain for some reason an entire pond.

Can we talk about the music videos that he did?

Yeah.

He did it was a good day ice cube.

Like he did like it.

This is one of the guys he did natural born killers Dr Dre and Igu another crazy one fantastic

voice coolyor love that that's a great dude.

Pot California of I don't think that he did it's not listen on I gave even my

my fantastic voyage take last week.

What is it?

I think it's the most underrated hip hop song in the 90s.

Doesn't get it.

Do you credit?

Oh, fantastic.

For school.

Yeah, this on Mike.

Did you say that?

No, it's on text.

I love the record.

I love the video.

Keep their hands ringing.

Dr. Dre.

I mean, I was I was unbelievable.

So, doesn't get credit.

Waterfalls, TLC, F Gary Gray.

Waterfalls.

Great video.

He was pioneering.

I don't know if you've seen on Spotify.

A great platform.

Mm-hmm.

They have a lot of music videos now.

If you cook on the songs, you watch music videos of the song.

What do you like about fantastic voyage collil videos so much on a record too?

What do you like about it?

I just think the songs great and never gets discussed when people talk about the great

songs from that specific era, the first half of the 90s and hip hop and rap and all the

great artists that we had.

And it's not mentioned.

I think it's a really good one.

I got a little bit of a shadow a little bit by Gayson's Paradise.

Because I think it has.

I think that's the first Cullio song.

And I told you, I think his name really hurt him.

So you really, I just think Cullio is a bad name for your rap.

You were open for business during the East Coast, West Coast rap wars, huh?

I was kind of more West Coast, to be honest.

I know.

I know this.

Yeah.

You didn't fuck with the West Coast at all.

I was all West Coast.

We got to see the side.

I like Pock and the dog pound.

Yeah.

That was my crew.

Pock, Pock.

That was my guy.

You know that was my guy.

We thought he loved Pock.

I did.

First year when I left the East Pinn, the first year of this podcast,

that pictured me rolling.

That's my opening day for the East Pock.

Yeah.

Okay.

Picked me rolling.

And we did Friday rolling.

It was the Friday show and tried to pay homage.

There you go.

That's my guy.

Yeah.

Source words.

I was very upset.

Sure.

I didn't like how that played out that year.

You didn't like how.

Okay.

So I just felt like it was going to end badly after that.

Oh, because it came to a head.

Yeah.

This wasn't going to go well.

We just don't have moments like that anymore.

I don't remember when that hit the streets.

Like we was like, I can't believe that this was said.

We don't have moments anymore.

Now we just have somebody writing one of the biggest songs of all time

and just destroying somebody else's career.

And then they played in sporting events for the next two years.

I mean, that is a big deal.

But like having that happened,

that they aren't just dying.

That on stage was like breaking K-Fable a little bit.

It was like, there was like distention.

And everyone knew that this tension exists.

But then all of the sudden, at this thing where everybody is there,

it comes to a head at you could watch it.

It was, we just were a little bit more innocent.

So when something like that happened,

we weren't getting that stuff on social media every day.

It was all we could talk about for a little while.

Did I ever tell you the time, Jeff Ross and I wrote for Jimmy for the AMAs?

No.

And Jimmy was scrambling around all these different locations during the show.

So I would go around with them different things.

And we're coming around this.

We're scrambling from being inside the theater to running out.

Go around this stairway.

We're running up the stairway and should nights at the top of the stairway

and taken by surprise by us.

And was like, scary should night for a split second and realized it was Jimmy.

Two white guys were running up the stairs at him.

And then kind of realized it was Jimmy and softened.

Oh, but for the split second, I saw scary should make something.

You saw me say something.

Falcon, you should night.

Yeah.

Hey, you off there, vanilla ice.

Vanilla bill.

He's fucking big.

Bill.

He's a big dude.

Yeah, that's a part of it.

Yeah, he's very intimidating.

He's a couch football player.

Yeah, you could feel it.

Anyway, that's my shirt.

That's okay.

Cool.

We were like, hey, shirt night.

Jimmy's like, how are you?

Did Mr. and I?

Did Mr. and I?

Did Jimmy thing and then kind of diffused it.

Right.

Yeah, it was weird.

Anyway, $60 million dollar budget for a guy in chop the airplane.

$17.1 million.

It's a lot of money for 03.

Yeah.

He's not bad.

How much domestic?

How much domestic?

I don't know.

Ebert three stars.

Yeah, he was like, hell yeah.

Slick, caper movies, tuppendous chase scenes.

A truly ingenious way to steal 35 million gold bars.

Well, two hours of mindless escapism.

And then he wrote, if I had seen it, he saw that Khan.

Khan, Khan.

Yeah.

Khan.

If I had seen it instead of the Khan entry, the brown bunny,

I would have wept with gratitude.

Ebert, not a fan of the brown bunny.

This is the thing.

They think huge things.

Yeah, it's a gal, not a fan of it.

For our dreamers.

Yeah, yeah.

Tough fun.

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Rewatchable scenes mentioned.

Charlie is talking to her dad.

I'm just throwing that in there.

You can see the first scene for the first day.

Hey, dad, where are you?

We're having a phone call.

The safe heist, speedboat chase, everything.

Yes.

Combine that together.

Let's fucking go.

Wow.

Incredible.

Incredible.

Setting, incredible use of gondola boats.

Confusing, but awesome, like underwater, rock-a-diving thing.

I love that.

Yeah, just fantastic.

A little confusing, but really fantastic.

Has Venice ever not worked as a movie location?

No, it's one of the most filmable places in the world.

Just people riding around on boats like their cars.

It's amazing.

The danger is there all the time.

It makes it more dangerous.

The light, the light.

The water, like, yeah, it's incredible.

Get Italians just getting mad at you for no reason.

Mm-hmm.

Hey!

One boat's moving slow.

The other boat's moving fast.

It's in the water.

Ducking under the bridge.

What's going to happen?

It's insane.

It's great.

Sutherland, I really like his toast, where he starts dispensing Donald Sutherland's

device.

Yeah.

I'll give you some.

He's only in this movie for 15 minutes.

Here's all his wisdom from the movie.

Fine stands for a freaked out, inscured, neurotic, and emotional.

Trust everyone.

Just don't trust the devil inside them.

The ones who steal it will enrich their lives.

Or the ones who steal the define their lives.

Don't be the latter.

Steal to enrich your life.

Even presence doesn't make you a good father.

Find someone you want to spend the rest of your life with and hold onto her forever and

a good shot.

A good shot.

Somebody, this guy was Mr. Miyagi in waiting.

Yeah.

And they just got fucking gunned out.

You know what?

So they're criminals, right?

But you know what the movie does?

In the short time that he's in the movie, they make him a character worth missing.

Yes.

To tell that like everybody's life is going to be a real movie.

He's a real woman, right?

I love you.

I love you, kid.

He's that character enough so that his death is shocking.

Yeah.

It's shocking.

It reminds me of, it reminds me of Mission Impossible.

You know how at the beginning of the movie, John Boyth is in the film and then the team

gets fucked up.

They do something really awesome in that movie, which is they just take him out of the

situation, which when he comes back, you're like, oh my god, it's very exciting.

But this one, you believe that these people will call a lesson on each other to get revenge

for their master.

It's good crew.

And then we get the double cross.

So I guess that's three different scenes, but I think this whole first 20 minutes being

at the end, like, first 22.

It's really good.

There's actually like basically five scenes in this movie.

Yeah.

You're just kind of moving around.

It's like Venice, Philly and three LA scenes.

Skinny Pete, the Ukrainians.

Yeah.

Good double cross.

Evil Ed Norton seems like the only time he enjoyed being in the movie.

And you re when you watched it the first time this time, did you remember the double

cross?

Yeah, I remember the cross because you know Norton's the bad guy.

But I like when the, when people are underwater in a scene like this and everybody, the villains

always make the same mistake where they fire bullets and they're like, all right, we got

them.

Let's go celebrate.

I'm just staying another five minutes.

I'll say this is the worst one.

Maybe you haven't.

Yes.

Because he knows they have the scuba deer, gear in the car.

Also, the water's freezing.

Yeah.

So if you, if you stay in there for a second, they're all, they're, they're, they're

going to wear not up air, but B, hypothermia is going to say to you like they're cooked.

It's over.

There's no reason to nitpick.

Right.

If the bullets are the hypothermia, something's killing them.

Right.

At some point, you have to leave because there's been a lot of shooting and stuff like

that and maybe the authorities are going to come, but you're in the reporter.

You're probably in a very hot spot.

Yeah.

I like being in the out.

That was fun.

I love it.

Beautiful.

Uh, next scene, Charlize fixes Ed Norton's cable.

It's great.

Yeah.

I love it.

She's like, Oh, I just flipped the switch.

It's working now.

Right.

He's like, cool.

You want to go to, what I better?

What I go to Wolfgang Park.

Yeah.

I like scenes like this where somebody has to pretend they have a normal job, but they're

way too attractive to have that job.

Yeah.

Um, I don't know.

I enjoyed the whole thing.

Norton kills the diamonds guy.

Charlize and Ed Norton have a date.

Yep.

Mm-hmm.

I liked him right up until the moment I shot him.

Oh.

Mm-hmm.

Also this gives us a staple for one of these movies.

Who are you working with?

Somebody comes out of the bag.

Yeah.

She's with us.

And then you should have seen her, your daddy beg for his life.

I think I'd had a good time in this scene.

Yes.

It's one of like, there's three scenes where he tries and this will be in this one.

Maybe he knew he was going to get to sleep in his own bed that night.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hit a bar on the way home.

It was good.

They were getting him out of there at 8 p.m.

I think everything in Italy, he was, he was pretty much dialed in a little bit.

Yeah.

It felt like it was his house and the last chase scene.

It seems like he's like, what the fuck am I doing?

What's happening here?

Probably above our car chase.

We have the three cars beating the subway train is great.

We have the road blowing up right in front of, uh, basically the man theater.

We have the, uh, safe switch.

I like the thing where it's the three safes and they have to guess which safe it is or

which, which truck it is.

Uh, we get an LA River chase, which, by the way, to live in that LA right behind you.

LA River chase.

Also undefeated.

Venice and Gondos, LA River.

I've never not enjoyed a chase in either one of those places.

Terminator two.

And it's really high in kind of how the fuck did they do this?

Why didn't this could have been to a really bad situation?

The helicopter stuff.

Like the helicopter's fucking low.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It feels like it's like a 50 foot ceiling in that last, I don't know how they did that.

It seemed dangerous.

Maybe that's why it wasn't happened.

I don't think he was actually in the helicopter.

Steve gets caught would be the last one.

You're right.

No imagination.

Uh, what do you got for most of your actual one?

One addition is just the putting the team together and the back stories scene.

Hmm.

I love putting the team together and as he called left there,

right, he called handsome rap.

Why is he called Napster?

I got that one in the next category, but the driving range scene where we meet skin

to Pete.

Lo.

You like skinny feet?

Loves skinny Pete.

I'm skinny Pete.

You see another stuff?

I can't say.

Yeah.

But most deaf is really good in that scene.

Yeah.

We didn't talk a lot about most deaf, but like at this particular point, most deaf is

ascending rapidly.

It was a big deal that he was in this movie.

Yeah.

What was the Bruce Wallace movie he was in?

So something 12 blocks or something like that?

12 blocks.

Yeah.

So he's in that.

Then, you know, of course, he's in, he's in brown sugar and then he does the myself,

Michelle Gondry movie, which is be kind of rewind.

Like he is legitimately one of the ones that people are going, okay, for like the next

next amount of years, most deaf is going to be one of the biggest stars in Hollywood.

How do you feel about that name choice?

Most deaf?

Yeah.

I love it.

He goes about, you know, yes, he can be now, but like I love most deaf.

Most deaf is a, to me, a staple creative dead era.

He also said just like the black star record and the first most deaf soul records are both

like flawless, amazing, worst name choice out of all the name choices out of all the name

choices for rappers.

Yeah.

You should get up.

There's some way worse rap names.

Yeah, he's talking about you.

The most deaf is a band.

I'm not saying him.

I'm saying what's your least favorite?

Oh, what's your worst one?

Cause you say it cool.

What's terrible?

It's just sounds like a place you get ice cream.

It's like, you want to go to Kulia's to have, they've aren't sure.

But it's cool.

Cool.

I would say that there's not to pick on them because the whole song is about picking on

them, but Ski Lo, which was a little bit taller guy.

Yeah.

It's like we've never going to be Ski Lo's not.

That's a tough one.

But now to me, the worst they are, the better they end up being.

The move is just to use your run name.

Do you feel like Bubba Sparks could have been bigger if he wasn't named Bubba Sparks?

See, the thing is, that's a good question.

The thing is that because he was Bubba Sparks, that's why he was big in the first place.

That kind of made us go, okay, this is the white guy.

Bubba Sparks.

He's Bubba, but he's hot.

He's Bubba Sparks shit.

Let's give him a chance.

And then he did it.

And we, you know, we want to fuck a little more.

Do you think LL Cool J was a good name or no?

At that point, it was a perfect name.

Yeah, LL was like a crazy good name.

Because that became LL.

Yeah.

At that point, it was a perfect name.

Yeah.

But when you know what the acronym stands for, it gets worse.

Ladies love Cool James.

You have a back when he came out.

That was cool.

You know, great.

Go fuck yourself.

It's like, ladies love Cool James.

We're not cool.

You know, we're not gonna, we're not, I want to get in your generation.

You know what?

You know what?

Your generation, I don't love the ladies.

The ladies don't love y'all.

I mean, you're doing well.

I'm calling them like this.

It's nice.

It's one of the cool James's lame.

It's one of the best names ever.

Ladies love them.

Do ladies love you on a cool James?

I hope the air gets better.

Never comes back on.

This is what we do.

Just like, don't get the rappers.

Do your mind, Meg, I gotta turn the air conditioning up.

All right, back to the pod.

What do we pick for most of our watchable?

Oh, so my most rewatchable is actually the opening of the Venice stuff.

That's easily, it's easily the after, yeah.

It's one of those delicious food.

It's coming on, you want to bang it out.

Yeah, yeah.

I agree.

If you're a fan of the Big Keeper, the Meg or the Expendables, this is exactly the kind

of movie you'd want to see.

Stay them in.

One of the finding actions starts the last 25 years doing what he does best.

Die hard on a boat.

That's what they floated.

Is meeting?

Yeah.

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I have a language.

Don't need to sell the three of us.

What is the most 2003 thing about this movie?

It's a very, very specific experience.

It's one of the best, easiest answers we've had for a course.

It's a blast.

Obviously, it's Lyle saying he invented maps.

Yeah.

But I also have a subcategory for this, which is this was the last moment where a hacker

character could just say a lot of mumbo jumbo and the audience was like, sounds right.

Where he's like, I have a tectronic codex that's going to read the magnesium and you're

like, okay.

Yeah.

It's like, it sounds like a fucking genius.

Now we'd all be like, I fucking read about AI.

I don't think that's how it works or whatever.

Yeah.

And this was the one moment where you still had true geeks who were like, I lured over

this tech stuff so that you guys don't have to worry about it.

I have Lyle inventing Napster.

It's one of the easiest answers for his hits.

Yes, yes.

I don't even, by 2006, nobody's being angry that they invented Napster.

Well, it's because the fact that Sean Vanning gets 40 seconds of screen time in this movie.

I think actually the Napster thing was already long into tooth by the time this came out.

It was like the last year you could have been.

They obviously in the movie, they're like, this dude is Zuckerberg.

Like this is Steve Jobs.

This is going to be like, when people look back, they're going to be like, I can't believe

the world's richest man is in this movie.

And it's like, obviously not.

It happened.

Yeah.

I have a Hollywood Boulevard seeming like alive and great because it really was in 03.

It was in great shape.

You wanted to go there and now I don't think you do.

Well, it had, when I first got out here, it wasn't 03.

It was 06.

But Hollywood Boulevard had been revitalized to where it was the hub of everything.

They spent like a billion dollars reviling it.

Revitalizing it.

And that lasted because even when I was out here a little after that, Hollywood was still

teaming with life on a Friday night with young people going to the club and all that.

And it just ended.

It ended at COVID.

Yeah, it just ended.

And now it's kind of like.

COVID wasn't great.

I was always more of a sunset guy.

Oh, you were more of a sunset guy.

What's your favorite sunset bar all time?

That's a good question.

The din?

Yeah, the gone now gone.

Yeah, the din was awesome.

The din was great.

Where's Jumbo's?

Jumbo's awesome.

Jumbo's awesome.

Jumbo's awesome.

Jumbo's is on Hollywood, right?

Yeah.

It's on Hollywood.

Oh, it's on, but it's East.

It's East.

It's East.

Yeah.

Very, very East.

Like a little Armenia.

One more 2003 thing about this movie.

Seth Green's like really important in it.

Yeah.

And it was right near the end by a three years later.

He's on on Teraj as East foil.

But he was I thought Seth Green was really good in this.

The Floyd Gandali butter on my ass.

Lollipops on my mouth the word for something I just enjoy.

What do you have here?

Any time the head of a crew is like, this is this guy's job.

This is what this guy does.

This is what this guy does.

Why do they call him handsome Rob because he's handsome?

It's like it is one of the most repeatable pleasures in cinema is introducing a crew.

An origin montage as I have done it.

Just like all of these guys and how they got their star.

Also gold bars and movies.

Just love movies where it's like gold bar.

Yeah.

So they should be 10 times more expensive or 10 times less expensive.

But yeah, then it does a good job explaining the criminal mindset about gold and like the

untraceability of it and all that stuff.

It's good.

Also, the fried camel bit here.

They do that movies all the time where your cable's fried and then they go in undercover

to like get the lay on you or like put the bug your shit.

I love that because that's actually how they bug the podcast on them.

They actually did that in real life.

The government messed up his TV.

Then sent people into fix the TV.

Didn't blog his shit and that's where it comes from.

My fluid is I like it movies when they mess with the stoplights and the intersections.

It's like watch this.

Yeah, and then just everybody put it.

But for LA it's like very, I mean, this is a very specific LA traffic movie that I think

is actually fairly accurate in terms of like it's geography and stuff like that.

Like they'll be like how hard it is to get from from Highland that over down to Union

station and everything and like it's very good.

Very good.

What's the best one last job?

Well, I don't know if it was for Sutherland.

It was a one last job for Sutherland.

It was.

I like any time it's set in a movie.

He LA River as an action location.

I have early 2000s mini Cooper's.

Which I don't feel like they.

They make the best.

I just, I like that era of mini Cooper's, how small and kind of fast and they felt like

they had some connection to James Bond movies.

So now I don't think that.

I think the BMW had just redone their engines.

Yeah, like done.

So that's why they were such hot shit.

I'll be interested to see if you guys think that, you know, this is the mini Cooper apex

mountain, I have something else.

Here's what's the best.

All the cast members did their own driving.

The outside Charlize was the best of all the drivers.

I'm cooking.

Doesn't, doesn't need a husband.

Yeah.

Just one night stands and she's a better driver than you.

She's the fucking best.

Uh, to most staff.

Most staff was the worst driver because he was from New York City and didn't drive.

So I actually learned how to drive.

What do you got for what's edge best?

Just real vehicles doing real chases and real places.

Yeah.

So a bunch of things, the smoking desk counter that look different, but it still exists.

You still drive by a bunch of people died from smoking.

Uh, like the price of a grenade launcher.

So they, they, the economics of this movie will be discussed in depth.

Like so they go there and it's like they give them all this stuff and they go like I need

a grenade launcher.

It's $5,000.

I was like, you know, what a grenade launcher must be much more expensive.

You probably can't get one from $5,000.

So I went and looked, actually typed that in the search was probably what they'd done.

And not only are grenade launches like lawful, but you can get one for like two grand.

You can get a grenade launcher, a lawful grenade launcher.

You have to be ATF registered, but you can get a grenade launch for two grand.

What possible use could you have for a grenade launcher?

I mean, that makes me nervous.

Yeah.

Do you mind me advice Bruce Willis is buying those grenades you could shoot at the plans.

Yeah.

And those are like 80K.

So the price dropped.

Uh, yeah.

Like the, the, the, the money that gets spent versus the money that's coming in will

be a discussion.

So two more reflex.

No, I just wanted to get into it.

That's more of a picking net.

So two more things.

One, both Korean driving ranges of age the best.

K town and terrifying some O-Indos, which is the thing around LA, you know, you go below

the tin and some more brothers down there.

What?

And those dudes are honored in Den of Thieves.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So they've they've aged the best.

Yeah.

So, you know, I've been to that driving range of bunch.

That's a cool place.

Last thing, the shop owner and this actually predicts the financial crisis.

He did a news.

All these port bastards putting their monies in banks and SNL mutual funds.

What do they think when the collapse comes, they can depend on the government.

The collapse came like five years later.

Four years later.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's the winner.

Great check.

Go order a word.

Would you go?

There's a Southern one's body popping out of the water.

I know.

I had the pan up out of Venice and then the pan down into the other one.

Oh, the scout when they show this guy.

That's good.

Chest Rock, Rock, Rock, and Lenders are where best character name left there is pretty

good.

I gotta go hand some Rob.

I gotta go skinny Pete.

Good names in this movie.

Kid Cuddy, if you're sure to happen, it's where best needle drop that California soul

song.

It's great song.

There's also just a lot of movies.

It's used in a lot of movies.

It's used in a lot.

And at this point, it bothered me when I heard it in this movie.

I think it was kind of like a digging in the crates find back then.

I also like a lot of focus like the radio tech know that they play while guys are driving

around.

Hmm.

Was there a better title for this movie?

I mean, it's more of an L.A. job.

Yeah, probably the Hollywood job.

They do say the name.

Yes.

They do say the Italian chef.

Uh, CR, I did my...

I did my...

I did my...

I did my...

I did my...

I did my...

Which is Girlfriend Award, Weak Link of the Film.

Let's go.

Oh, okay.

Uh...

Or we could do that.

I know they make $27 million in their heist.

But to my eyes, just on like the outlay of funds for the two heists, I think they might

be coming out like a couple million in the black.

They're basically the Dodgers.

They're spending $1.2 billion on players to make $400 million.

I don't understand.

The gold...

Do you think the gold should have been worth like $130 million?

So when they initially steal it in Italy, it's $35 million.

Yeah.

And it's selling.

It gets off a couple bars, yeah.

And so at the end of the movie, they steal $27, which means Norton has only spent $8,

yeah.

And with those $8 million in 2003, he buys a 12,000 square foot mansion in L.A.

He has his own private security.

He's like an army.

Yeah.

He has like an army and that's all just in the $18 million he spent.

He has three armored trucks taking money to the airport.

He has a helicopter.

Well, he might have other bread before he had it.

He also saved money by only wearing tank tops and watching CNBCL Day.

I'll wear my Riders wardrobe.

Yeah.

And then the movie ends.

So they give some of the money to the Ukrainians.

How much do you think of the $27 million they give to the Ukrainians?

The Ukrainians could ask for all of it.

Everybody is scared to do it.

You have to give them at least, at least seven.

How much would it cost just to do these jobs?

Well, that's the thing is that the outlay of money to get the warehouses, the cars, the

technology, everybody's eating, sleeping, whatever on and on and on.

I'm not saying it costs $27 million, but like did Mark Wahlberg just have that lying around?

But yeah, like most dev is not going to be able to pay the property taxes on his new

Spanish villa.

Yeah.

I always wonder about this.

I put this in there too.

First edition.

Obviously, I have this.

I have this.

Everybody has this because it doesn't seem like that much money was.

I wonder if it was the time.

I mean, this basically like Kevin Hurters contract at this point.

So like it do.

It's so funny.

I think it might have been a contract too.

Yeah.

It's like 20, 27 million.

Yeah, basically Jordan Poole is going to make more money this year than they did.

They do an entire deal.

The whole fucking thing.

He's like, he's got more bread than him.

Yeah.

So unless you want to go live in Baton Rouge, this money not going to spin it.

It's five people.

So now it's five and a half million each.

But it is getting from the green funds.

You know, if they did like the way they're doing all the videos now where guys are like,

10 million, five million goes to Uncle Sam, right?

We got to buy.

So like if you had Charlie, be like 27 million, well, I spent 20 just on shit to get these

ice rolling.

Why are these videos?

Why is this one of the things that's happened this summer?

Because the videos get a lot of engagement.

But it's the same video every time.

People know at this point that, yeah, I made 100 million taxes.

I'm down to 50.

I'd be honest with you.

People never get sick of how somebody made money and people never get sick of how they

fucked it up.

But we did when we did broke that was like the most watched 30 people we had.

Yeah.

Other than the you, people, you got to pay taxes, you got to pay an agent, you got to

pay all of this stuff.

Like we've heard the story, but people just never get, they never get sick of how you

fuck your money up.

Never.

Sounds like a podcast.

Well, they don't walk away with like two, three million each, probably right?

Maybe four?

No, because they didn't pay taxes because this was, they're stealing money.

Well, this also exists in a universe outside of law enforcement because there is no

any of this entire.

So this is the bigger question for the, for the risk for the amount of money they made.

They blew up Hollywood, Bolivar.

Just giant hole.

Mm-hmm.

To say nothing of the fact.

And one of the busiest, not to mention like was anyone hurt in the explosion?

This is 03.

So after 911, a criminal is flying low.

That right.

At low altitude.

And you're in half of an hour and a half.

And you're in half of an hour and a half.

You're in a big, big, big Hollywood.

There's no fucking way.

That's the biggest knit.

Biggest knit is, if you guys never been out here before, you're going to look, or you

going to see police helicopters all in the sky.

Yeah.

They're up there for 60 seconds.

They scrambled to LAPD to get a burr and it's up there and a whole fucking plan is fucked.

We don't see cops ever in the last half hour of this movie.

Can we see a cop in this flag and LAPD, they ever, she's driving around.

There was cops in Venice.

Oh, okay.

But.

Yeah, I don't see how this was worth.

I think the gold, but I think the mistake is the gold bar should have been worth like

a hundred million bucks.

You've got a hundred million bucks.

Yeah.

Like real, real big stakes.

That's not.

And which is interesting because Oceans 11 comes out in 40s.

Yeah.

And the take from Oceans 11 was worth.

60s?

60s some odd million dollars or something like that.

So at least they knew that it had to be a significant amount of money that they put up on

a date.

They had to, they had to match what gold was worth.

It was 160 million in Oceans 11.

Tim said, like that's enough money to have.

Now we got to split that in 11 ways.

I know.

So out of sense though, you split that in 11 ways and you give a lot of money to fingers.

Eight years previous, Neoma Cully takes down the bank in downtown LA.

And that's between 12.2 and 12.48 million.

Now they don't get away with it.

But that is half of what those guys take with very little of them.

By the way, you couldn't argue that wasn't enough.

It wasn't, but it was not.

It also did the motherboards, the cameras are cut.

Yeah.

The Neelan was making a lot of money stuff for Shea Herles who spent all this shit.

How much money?

Herles gets away with some of it.

How much money?

But Shea Herles was like, Stan Humphries, he's going to beat the Niners.

I'm telling you guys.

Yeah.

It's going to happen.

Shea Herles has like a duffel bag full of cash.

And I think Nate hooks him up with some more.

That'll be part of heat too.

Right.

I watched like an hour of Top Gun Maverick last night.

It was on.

I think the scene when he, when Goose plays a piano scene when it hits Maverick.

Yeah.

Maverick gets sad outside the bar and Jennifer Connelly realizes it's maybe the most rewatchable

scene of this century or this decade, the 2020s.

We just see this for any time.

That whole scene, they're playing pool.

Everybody's together.

You get to meet everybody.

If you get bored this month, we should do most rewatchable scenes of the 2020s.

Of the 2020s.

I think start to finish.

I think that might be the most rewatchable scene because crews.

But then the other one is the Bal Kilmer scene.

That's distinctly not rewatchable.

Are you kidding?

That's kind of you have to let go and cruise.

Oh, fucking goes there.

Crews gets choked up.

And he's like, I can't.

I watch for I watch for the quarter.

Like, well, then you get that at the end.

But the most rewatchable scenes, due to joint scene, sinners, I think is highly rewatchable.

That's a really good one.

See this would be a good argument.

Yeah.

Did you join in silence?

Oh, yeah.

What stage is the worst?

Talked about the money.

They were lying that song, that money song, to play it twice.

They play it.

Money!

Yeah.

That song is sucked forever.

You don't like it.

Come up with a better song.

You're spending all this money on the movie.

Here's the thing.

I sent you a cup of this.

This is also the Ednaurant Reverse Dunkle Award for the this movie Need a Random Sports

Scene, Ironically Ednaurant.

We have Wahlberg dressed up to play basketball.

We have Jason Statham there.

And yet we only see a snippet of a basketball scene.

And it involves Jason Statham playing some of the worst defense I've ever seen in a

basketball court.

I think the more he can't move thing is that he doesn't know how to check ball.

He doesn't, he doesn't even know what's happening.

Yeah.

And Wahlberg's going by him and it's like he didn't even realize you could do that.

They're not playing ball in London in 03.

Like it's a foreign concept to him.

Lean into it and be like this guy's never played basketball.

She's wearing a longsdale sweatshirt and I almost wonder whether he was like, are we

going to do boxing today?

And they're like, no, we couldn't get the gym.

So you guys are going to be in the outdoor basketball court.

He's like, what's that?

Yeah.

So I wonder about this though from a Mark Wahlberg standpoint as well.

So good hooper.

You I mean, is this basketball dire is he was good?

Is he?

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Cause Leo is the weakling a basketball.

I was wondered about this because he puts basketball in a lot of movies.

I wonder if he was out there.

No, he's a real hooper.

He's a Sandler.

I think those guys, I don't know if he's killing like that.

But I'm a.

No, I'm saying for an actor.

He's a good.

When he's shooting in the warehouse, they keep cutting away and like you hear swish

and you're like, all right, man.

Okay.

So I don't want they keep the one shot where he did that.

He's good though.

I don't know Bill.

Right.

I'm just saying, like, was he, do you tell me on the streets of South Boston, a.k.a.

Mississippi?

Was he killing people and like going and going nuts?

It's like it seriously.

He puts basketball.

Mark, you mark, you mark, you play basketball.

You play basketball as much.

You mark in the funky bunch.

He plays basketball and he plays basketball in a lot of different movies compared to

Woody Harrelson, who is an actual really good basketball.

Yes.

He's not good like that.

Yes.

He's a good actor and actor, you know, one on one gets Dave Jacobi.

Oh, Jacobi would kill him.

Okay.

There you go.

House now with a fake hip would probably beat Mark Walbert.

Just post a lot of hit replacement.

Yeah.

House had a one hip really.

But how's good?

You say house go.

Who like that?

House was great.

I can see House was the most fun guy to play.

We're talking about it like he's for our game.

That's so much fun to play with House.

He was great.

But I thought aren't you guys both connective tissue guys?

Like aren't you guys both like connectors?

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

It's like Princeton, you know, everybody is my two favorite guys I've ever played with.

Jacobi, Jacobi House.

And House.

Yeah.

And we my flex is associated with the wallberg basketball thing.

Yeah.

I think we need an award for this moment.

Like when he's shooting hoops and they cut and he's like, what about the Italian job?

And he like, swishes.

I feel like that is a moment that Mark Walberg demanded be in the movie because he's like,

I'm not a basketball.

That wasn't in the script.

So the Mark Walberg and Italian job.

Let's put this in because I want to show people.

If you want sports, you can also show.

Imagine like they're like, hey, Ed, we're going to switch sets in a minute.

We're going to strike this one.

But just we've got to get one more pick up here.

Mark's trying to make a 10 footer.

Yeah.

And it's just like, it's like it's 502.

Yeah.

Fuck this.

Yeah.

Like if I'm in a movie and I feel like I got a good fastball, I'm like, can we have a

scene where I'm just throwing pitches in the backyard just so I can show my athleticism?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's so many movies with Kevin Costner on a horse.

No, it's why he's and it's also why he just is like, I can fucking play baseball.

So like any, you know, like baseball horse Kevin Costner, my dad used to always look

in Kevin Costner and be like, this motherfucker can ride.

Yeah.

So you get like, he could like, he could, he was a good horseback ride.

Golf's another one like this.

Yes.

Curb does this because Larry will put himself in these in these golf scenes and curb really

because he just wants to show off like his drives.

Wood Harris who is a good basketball player who's, you know, the scene in the wire.

When he's catching the law from the stringer.

Right.

Wood just, Wood knows he nice and Wood just wanted to dump it all in the people on the

wire.

And if you go back and what you're gonna watch it saying this is not a shot at Idris,

but there's another English guy.

He just was like, what the fuck is this?

Yeah.

The way he throws the lob, it doesn't look like he's ever been on the court before.

Soccer guys, but you give him the soccer ball.

You go on prop Joe basketball coaching is still one of my favorite wire scenes.

Yeah.

I love nothing more than when sports drift into movies.

I believe the Wahlberg stroke.

I think he played.

Jesus Christ.