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The one and only Quentin Tarantino wrote, to me, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre is one of

the few perfect movies ever made.

There are very few perfect movies.

This is okay.

Since in the pursuit of cinematic art, perfection shouldn't be the goal.

Nevertheless, when it's accomplished, even by accident, it's an achievement.

This movie isn't achievement.

And this movie is perfect.

It's not humane and it's not fun and it might not be a rewatchable.

I bet 90% of our audience, but it is a perfect movie.

It is a shark of a movie.

I think it is a rewatchable, but I'm willing to hear the other side of it because there's

some tough hangs in this movie.

And there's some five-minute stretches where you're like, I'm not enjoying this.

It's all for a purpose.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It goes both sides, right?

It's not only the horror slasher side of things, but even like the hanging out stuff, you're

like, all right, guys, let's move on from where my knife is.

Sully!

Yeah.

Sully!

But it's 87 minutes, right?

It is…

I thought it was 83 minutes.

Yeah, whatever it is, it's under 90.

I don't know what it was excited when you saw the 83.

I don't think it could have been 30 seconds longer.

And I think every single frame of it and every single cut and every single thing, despite

the chaos of its production, is in service of one idea, you know?

And the idea is this guy waving a chainsaw on the highway and that this is what this country

in this world is.

The indie horror movie legacy.

Sure.

This Halloween bluer witch paranormal activity, we have no money.

You don't know these actors, other than maybe Donald Pussins.

We have an idea and we just got a grant through it.

Make this happen, but this invented it.

I was thinking, because I was, obviously, a Halloween is my movie.

I love it.

It comes a couple of years after.

Probably should have put the Halloween post-rump instead of fair.

I'm sorry, fair.

We have the true leather face right here.

We have the leather face over there.

But I just felt like Halloween invented the modern horror movie.

But I forget whenever I watch chainsaw, I'm like, no, actually this is ground zero.

Yeah, I think we probably want to say, oh, this started something and then everything

that came after was influenced by it.

It's worth noting that Toby Hooper who directed, chainsaw massacre, went and saw Night of

Living Dead.

Yeah.

And when he went to a movie theater to see it, there was like a line down the block and he

was like, that's how I get in.

I'm going to make one of these movies, you know, with all my ideas that I have about

what's happening, you know, at the end of the Vietnam War and the country and what's

happening around me.

But I think I have to put it in this kind of box.

I think he was genuinely like excited by the material and probably love Night of Living

Dead.

But over the decades, you've seen filmmaker after filmmaker after filmmaker use horror as

a way, as an entree into mainstream filmmaking and Hollywood.

This created the following modern slasher.

Can we call this a slasher?

This is the first slasher, I think.

And then Halloween kind of took it to another level, but the imposing killer or the mask.

We have that that ends up in Halloween, Friday 13th, everything else.

Horrifying carnage for no real reason.

I think that's one of the reasons this movie is so scary.

I watched it twice this week.

Once on an airplane.

Did you have like a, that was interesting, a roommate who blocked it?

No, I had one of those pod seats so I could share it for myself.

And then I watched with Ben.

What do you think?

And then my wife also joined us who had a couple drinks at dinner.

And I don't know if she'd ever seen this movie and the entire movie was going, what's

going on?

How is this a movie?

Did they spend any money on this?

And then the moment when the other face comes out of the metal door and grabs the guy and

pulls them in, it's just one of the great scares of all time.

You just can't believe it.

It's like, I don't go in the house.

Don't go in there.

And if you're superficially kind of conscious of who the other face is or what this movie

is about, when that happens, there's nothing can prepare you for it.

There's no music.

It's, he kind of trips so it throws you off for a second.

Metal door opens.

The scariest guy you've ever seen in your life is just there.

Hit some over the head with a hammer.

And they use the sound.

Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick Nick

just got hit by an NFL defensive end.

Got hit some again, pulls it in and slams the door.

And it's just like, what just happened?

So what do you think that on the fourth day,

people start having like pro leather face takes.

And they're like, hey, you know what, the USC kid,

you know, he couldn't have known.

Right.

They're like, the leather face, it's a bang, bang, play.

Yeah, guy, guy with his house,

you had never seen this movie, right?

That's correct.

Before people get to your take at the end,

but what's your relationship with the horror?

Do you want to revisit that?

I tried to have no relationship with it

until I started producing the show.

And now I'm forced to have relationship with it.

But I will say over time, I'm starting to warm up to horror.

And I've realized in 2026, I'm becoming a mini horror guy.

Well, also as useful as horror has become probably

one of the stories of the year outside of the Odyssey

is like the success of backgrounds and resident evil

and obsession in these movies is the singles

and doubles of Hollywood as horror.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So imposing killer of the mask,

horrifying carnage for no reason,

power tools as weapons.

Yeah.

I mean, this invests at the goat.

And then the final girl.

Yeah.

Sally is probably the final girl.

So like the only thing she's the prototype

ground zero final girl that then gets ripped off.

Basically every Friday 13th movie,

most of the Halloween movies name a slasher movie.

There's always one left.

It's usually somebody who is the one who didn't have sex

with somebody during the movie.

Yes.

There's always some ways to look at it.

They're in peril.

The screaming is super important.

I think Marilyn Burns who plays the last girl in this

might be the best screamer of all the screamers.

She screams for a half hour straight.

I had that, yeah.

She's, ah!

She's interested in doing take after take.

And she looks like by the end of this,

she looks like they had to put her to mental institution.

Yeah.

I mean, the legacy that comes after this

is a lot more charged morally.

Like there's a lot more like,

what did this person do over the course of the movie

that means that they've like,

deserved to be the final girl?

Yeah.

This feels like she just got, it was a coin toss

and Sally got to live for longest.

She's a could have just been in the eagle

like that other lady.

She wanted to go off with Jerry and look for the other couple.

So the eagle is pretty scary.

It's like, what's that banging?

Oh, it's my friend in the eagle.

Oh no.

Best movie, Murder or Dimmick's,

Leatherface, Freddy Krueger comes in your dreams.

Yeah.

Chuckie, Evil Doll.

Yeah.

And if we're doing a Mount Rushmore for this,

I think I have orphan.

That was a great gimmick.

That was a good reason.

I'm gonna pretend I'm a 10 year old,

but I'm really 35 and I'm a fucking serial killer.

35.

I think, do they have an age?

Yeah.

I think she's an inner 30s.

The Danielle Monti of Killer's.

I'm a Romanian serial killer of Fats, Families,

and Pretends I'm 10.

I've forgotten a woman.

That's incredible.

But like, Myers didn't necessarily have a gimmick, right?

He just was a killing machine.

He was more of a supernatural force.

Yeah, the shape.

Most of them are more in that vein.

Leatherface, multiple masks.

It's got some skills.

Like he's a chef.

He has a barbecue, my strong.

Not the greatest sprinter I've ever seen.

No, no, no.

But he's got different looks.

I think operating in the chainsaw, probably not easy.

Some person's just carrying a knife or an axe.

You've got to be, you're sort of a gas dependent economy.

In that case, you've always got to oil it up

and gas up your chainsaw.

So yeah.

Yeah, I have a lot of questions about that for later.

But yeah, when you talk about Slasher movie gimmicks,

I thought that Thanksgiving that came out a couple of years ago.

Oh, yeah.

Thought that guy had a good gimmick.

Trying to think of my, I mean, leatherface is the,

I think is my favorite Slasher possibly because,

he's at once the most realistic and human,

but is also the least explicable.

You know, like why are they go off?

They're like, oh, he was this kid.

Right, right.

There's a backstory.

Jason, his mom, Jason was drowned.

Yeah, there's always like,

cancer's fault.

Yeah, these guys, they're just going crazy from the Texas heat.

Also, the unintentional comedy from leatherface is 100 out of 100.

And I think that's one of the type of reasons

he's rewatchable.

Every single moment with him is so like,

his different looks for depending on where my dinner up is.

Yeah, I'm the housewife versus I'm the pretty lady is really.

If Buffalo Bill was a 100 out of 100,

leatherface is like a 98,

but that was one of my wife's takeaway watching this last

that she's like, what's going on with this guy?

I'm like, yeah, he's leatherface.

Then you have Texas,

yeah, which I think is in the running for creepiest horror state.

Anything outside of the city of Texas is just like super hot.

People seem kind of groggy from the heat.

It's sprawling.

There can just be a house with no other house near anything.

There's dirt roads, there's no traffic.

At night, there's no lights at all.

People eat weird shit.

You have snakes, you have all kinds of things.

Yeah, I mean, it just sounds like you don't want to break down in Texas

other than maybe Nevada.

That's probably a top.

There was a great movie a couple of years ago called

Nocturnal Animals that Tom Ford directed that kind of touches into this of like,

I know that there is like a great American road trip out there for me,

but part of the reason why I don't think I've done it is some of these movies.

Well, in turn, Texas Chainsaw Masker,

where you're just like, man, it is a long way from this piece of civilization

to the next one and I don't know what's going to happen out there.

You stop at the wrong gas station.

Yeah.

And you're just like, oh my God, these guys might just follow me.

Right.

As I drive away right now.

And I think it's worth probably talking a little bit about the context.

Not only of like the movie, like the movie business that this came out into

because it has such an incredible production story,

but you know, I was reading about this film and there's a great long piece

about the making of Texas Chainsaw Masker and Texas Monthly from like, 2004.

And the guy wrote it, John Bloom.

He's summarized it.

He came Joe Bob Bricks.

Yeah, he summarized it perfectly.

He just says, Chainsaw was the first baby boomer horror film

in which pampered but idealistic suburban children,

distrustful of anyone over 30, are terrorized by the deformed adult world

that dwells on the grungy side of the railroad tracks.

I was like, that's fucking no perfect describing what this movie is.

These kids who are just like, popping around like, you know, in this VW

band just kind of like want to read about the astrology and smoked open stuff

and kind of feel a little bit untouchable.

And then they go off into hell, you know, and really find this like

ungoverned, unknow-law world that's right outside their door.

So anytime I hear or read something like that because I read that too,

and I was like, yeah, that's a good take.

Then there's the counterme when you read how they make these movies

where it's just such a Halloween, where it's just like,

what if somebody kills the babysitters?

Like, yeah, just like the cameras up.

Let's go. That's what happened.

Toby Hooper was at a hardware store and was like, that would be amazing.

Yeah.

He was in line in a hardware store going, man, it would be so cool to grab one of those chainsaws

and just cut through the line.

That could be a movie.

And now he's in a van making it.

Yeah.

For $60,000 and they're just kind of patching stuff together.

Sure.

But this is why I didn't major in English and college.

Well, because you could take a book and you could basically take anything out of it.

And sometimes the answer is like,

it's kind of just wanted to make a movie about submitting a slaughterhouse

or just killed some kids.

It's the coolest thing about movies though,

is that once it goes on to the screen, it belongs to everybody.

So, hold put in this podcast.

Yeah, exactly.

Just wait till some of my nipics later.

The only person who ever thought more about their movie than we have

is Michael Mann, Richard.

Yeah.

1970s.

He's really the birth of the modern blank.

Where you have all these genres that then became the genres,

which we've covered on this podcast, but like 1971, 30 Harry.

Modern cop film.

And like the visual anti, there's a bad guy

who needs to take them out.

That's like, that's ground zero for everything that happened.

Deep throat, 1972.

Some of the same producers working on deep.

Oh, yeah.

I'm too wait to talk about that.

Chainsaw 74.

Indie Horror movie.

We can just make a scary movie.

Yeah, this is my last house on the left or the first two, I think, really.

Godfather Part 2.

Hey, what if we do a sequel?

Yeah.

Jaws.

Summer movie.

Yeah.

Let's go for it.

Modern blockbuster.

Rocky Sports movie.

Star Wars.

We covered that with sci-fi outer space.

And then Superman 1978.

Let's throw a cape on somebody make a movie out of it.

Yeah.

And that's kind of if you just go those eight movies,

that's kind of what would become the next 50 years of movies.

I mean, there's some other ones we could throw mean streets in there and things like that.

But for the most part, those are eight genres that kind of, and there's other ones that

come like buddy cop and things like that.

But those eight kind of become the next 50 years of movies.

And even though those movies have such a huge long tail influence on the rest of film

history to come, I don't know.

When I go back and watch them and when I watch this movie, they're the quality that

a lot of them share is that they just feel so real to me.

Like the people in them and the settings and the environments and so much of it is location

shooting.

So much of it is finding actors who seem like they would be at a gas station in Texas

or would be coppers for a mafia family in New York or Reno.

Yeah.

And just like, man, there was this quality in the 70s that was like, even though this

was a big, huge Hollywood story.

They felt very true to life, even, you know, a jaw something like that.

All those people in jaws, you're just like, you are, you do live in in this town.

You do, you do work here in the summers and stuff like that.

So that's the thing I always come back to with those 70s films and patients.

This movie, there's multiple scenes that kind of go nowhere and aren't really fun to

watch.

Yeah.

There's not a lot of check-offs gun in this movie.

It's kind of like the conversations that they're having, the rhyme or reason for why one person

gets killed first or second or third, it really isn't one.

I think that's kind of the point.

I mean, after they pick up the hitchhiker and then he cuts wheelchair guy and then they

get out of the van and bits his big bloody print, they're just kind of still on the ride

the next scene.

Like, hey, your horoscope.

Yeah, let's go get some barbecue and go into a swimming hole.

I would just, yeah.

What about that Easterodger series?

Produced co-composed directed by Toby Hooper, marketed as based on true events to attract

attention and poke fun at the era's political climate.

So this was basically that thing at the beginning, which is really good and smart and has been

recalled ever since what you're about to see.

We didn't know any better in 1974.

People thought this happened.

I didn't know any better in 1999 for software which you can still get away with this

pre-internet.

It was a little influence by the great Ed Geen.

Yeah.

Notice I said the great.

So he rushed more for you.

I was watching a documentary about him last night.

He didn't kill enough people.

Yeah.

I thought great gimmick, but low numbers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I thought he had everything in place.

I thought maybe his underlying post mortem stats of like going after graves might impress

you.

But I guess.

You're a boxer guy.

For serial killers.

Yeah.

I'm up for the stats.

Like digging into graves is just weird.

I think that's like a different level of killer.

That's like almost like a we need to we need to put killer in there.

It's more like Uber weirdo.

Yeah.

Super weirdo.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just it's a whole other than your cutting skin off and making masks like I don't

that's not just going into a sorority house and just butchering people.

What happened to just going in and slicing somebody up?

Yeah.

That's like Bundy.

I think still is the goat in a lot of ways.

Escaped.

Didn't didn't even try to disappear for a couple months.

Just went down the floor and got back to it.

It's just run the ball.

Yeah.

Big Z on your list.

Not the journalists.

Zodiac killer.

Well, but there might have been two.

Yeah.

And you don't like the fact that he never took credit and kind of like became like just put

a face to the name, right?

Yeah.

I like I like numbers.

Um, fear.

I like when when they put fear into the community or city or even nationally.

Sure.

Like this guy's on the loose.

Ed Gain was just a fucking weirdo.

Yeah.

Like you could always tell by how good or bad the Netflix show, the 10 episode Netflix show

about the serial killer.

Like they didn't want about Lizzie Borden.

I didn't watch it.

I did not either.

I was like, eh, now we're reaching.

But Bundy, they we they keep going back to that every six, seven years.

But Ed had a big footprint in Hollywood.

A lot of people, silence the lambs touched on Ed Gain.

So like that he was a big, big deal.

And there was, there was some extra stuff with him about the mass.

Yeah.

Identity.

There's, there's themes like you can get into with the what, what is his purpose that people

seem to be fascinated by.

But yeah, he touched.

I mean, I mean, man hunter.

Mm-hmm.

Um, basically all the, all the time.

Sarah's books.

Tom Sarah's books.

Yeah.

Do you think Netflix is worried that we're running out of serial killers?

No, I think that they, they'll just, I'm not that they're going to make their own

serial killers.

A commission one.

No, I'm not.

You're amazing.

That would be truly like we're in the running now now.

That's a cool dramatic story of it.

No, but the, the thing is they just need to work harder to find them.

Find more killers.

Yeah.

They're out there.

They should have their own investigative unit that goes out and find serial killers.

And that should be its own show.

I'm sure they do.

I always picture like the, the Netflix, the meeting where they're trying to come up with

the next idea.

And they keep coming back to ones.

They've already rejected where they're like, what about Wayne Williams?

They still feel like there's something there and people like, no, no, children at Lanna

know how can't do that one.

It's like, how many years ago do we do, Bundy?

I'm like, ah, it's 2020.

It's like, fuck.

All right.

We do the 60 year anniversary.

The Bundy's last year.

They're like the, the Bundy had a brother.

Anyway, I find for you mentioned this, I found the, this is based on a true story.

Very effective.

It is not based on a true story.

That, that fake out and that feeling like, am I watching a snuff film?

Am I watching real people?

Am I watching, like, that was, what was the first time you saw it?

Do you remember?

My dad took me and there was this place.

I think it was in Austin in 1980.

They, it was basically like a precursor to almost like the Alamo Drafthouse places.

Okay.

And you would go and they would serve food and beer and they would show movies.

Not a combat zone though.

No, no, no.

Austin, which is next to Boston.

And we saw it there and it was fucking scary.

And at that point it was probably like, you know, I was just making him take me to horror

movies, which you probably, I was probably like 11.

I think we got to go bang out leather face dad.

But the, the thing I remember is, I don't remember much, but I do remember being like,

say anything going to happen in this fucking movie?

You know, this 30 minutes patch.

You're like, all right.

It's, and then leather face shows up.

And it's pure chaos and fear for 50 minutes.

The other face shows up and hits like a 550 foot home and then does a home run trap.

And you're like, oh, I get it.

Okay.

Now I'm scared.

But you're right.

There's something about the patience of these old movies combined with, you know, we

don't see a lot of the murder.

Like even when he kills wheelchair guy, you don't really see it.

I feel like now it would be like the chance I would be in this torso.

That's it.

And then the second one, it's way more.

Yeah.

So much more graphic.

Yeah.

And you know, there was always this debate about whether Hooper was cutting this movie to

somehow get like, I guess a PG because I don't think the PG 13 existed back then.

That's been dispeled.

I think what he really wanted was not to get an X, you know, rating and wanted to get

an R. But in any case, whether it was cutting for sensors or whether it was just simply

not having special effects that.

I think that was the big thing.

Blood spray and everything else.

It's way more effective.

That for instance, like you're seeing Franklin getting cut up from behind and not like

and you see leather face coming down on the wheelchair guy from from behind, not like

right up.

Well, the single scariest moment in my opinion, other than when we first see leather face

is after he hangs the girl who doesn't survive on the meat hook.

And she's on the meat hook like I just am right.

Yeah.

Obviously going to die but she hasn't died yet.

And then he's like, I'm going to go back to work on Kirk and get the chain saw.

But you don't see him chainsaw and Kirk, but you see her face watching it.

Yes.

And I think that's part of why this movie is so fucking scary because you put yourself

in these positions of like, it's actually would be better just to die right away.

I have the worst part would be I power ranked the deaths.

Oh, all right.

So we'll see.

One other thing Hooper said, he was like the film you're about to see is true.

It was a response to being lied by the government about Watergate 73 old crisis.

The recession being.

Again, I'm not positive.

I believe this.

I think it makes for a great story after the fact, but I really think it might have

just been he was in line at a hardware store and was like, what if I just used a

chain saw and killed all these people and that just became a movie?

I think it's both.

I think he, you know, when he was kicking around Austin, by the time he makes this, he's

made one feature that was kind of experimental, like counterculture movie, but he's made like

commercials and docs.

So he's, he's a pretty experienced filmmaker even at a young age.

And I think the opening credits with the pathologists, you know, the medical examiner photos

of whatever we're seeing in addition to the radio.

Radio reports.

Yeah, the radio is like industrial accidents, environmental disasters, inexplicable violence.

And this is the world that these people are growing up in.

And this is what they find out there and what would be the manifest manifestation of all

of the shit.

Is this monster out there?

You know, I really, I mean, I think that's right.

But I also think he might have just wanted to make a movie where he goes everyone

to the chainsaw.

Yes.

We're category before the categories.

The Steven Segal's Shitting On Himself Award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual

film.

I wonder if we have the same one because they made this for 60 grand in a hundred degree

heat, Texas.

I just couldn't believe this.

We probably do have the same one.

After getting a grandpa's old age makeup actor John Dugan decided he couldn't go through

the five hour process again and said, we have to shoot off these scenes now.

Which they then did for the next 30 hours in a hundred degree summer heat.

And most of it was the dinner scene.

And it was a room filled with dead animals, riding food and no air conditioning whatsoever.

And the stench from the riding food and the body odor of the cast members was so terrible

that people were passing out and becoming sick.

They were going outside and puking and coming back into shoot.

They also had blackout curtains on the windows because it was supposed to be night.

Edward Neal played the hitchhiker and he said, filming that scene was the worst time of

my life.

And I had been in Vietnam with people trying to kill me.

It shows 30 hours.

Yeah.

Think how long 30 hours is this?

Like if you stay up, like I flew back from Boston early on Tuesday and the flight was

at like 830.

So we woke up at 630.

It was easy to get to the airport, but it was 330 Pacific time.

And then you went to bed.

I had a podcast that day and that night.

And I probably went to bed at, I don't know, 1230, which was 330.

So I was basically up 24 hours and I felt like I was up for five days.

And at some point I was like, I went to sleep.

I didn't even know what time was.

They went six hours past that in the heat.

And they were making Texas chains on that.

It was a podcast.

And Marilyn Burns is tied up the entire time just screaming as these guys are mocking

our torture.

Like 150 bucks.

Like that.

Yeah.

I can't imagine anything worse.

I was there.

The all the stories about the production of like they choose to shoot it on these 16

millimeter cameras.

Yeah.

But you need like all these light, all this light for those cameras because of something

about the stock.

So the amount of like extra heat they were generating on people just by lighting like

interior scenes is just so crazy.

That's what we try to do in here when it gets hot after about an hour.

Mayor Port Marilyn Burns.

After I get twitchy about 45 in your like a how Jack of the H.

Make it hotter.

Marilyn Burns who I think is arguably the what's the category we have for somebody who

is all in.

I had it.

The Peter North award.

Most effort put into a movie.

Yeah.

She screams for the last 30 minutes.

She has to run the band out of bio of screaming.

She does all of her own stunts.

She jumps out of two windows.

They have her just running through like a branch forest wherever the fuck that was at night.

Yeah.

It just seems like she's getting nailed left and right.

She's got like real cuts all over and she's the first final girl and might have been the

best one.

I can imagine like Jamie Lee Curtis when you look at what happened to her at the in a

Halloween.

It's like a cool you fell down a staircase and you ran across the street and you hit

in the closet.

Yeah.

And you stab somebody like this is like that 3000 times worse.

And every one of the things that she does and or experiences like I was rewatching the

the truck scene at the end.

Yeah.

It really looks like that truck's pretty close to them.

As they're cutting back and forth like the 18 wheeler hitting the hitchhiker.

I was like, this is this looks really real.

I know that's a fake body.

But this is how like if you're making a $60,000 movie, do you really have the best stunt

drivers and best like stunt coordinators out on there?

Like are they like it's funny when you brought this up.

I thought you were going to say the other part when she's climbing to the pickup truck

at the end.

She can barely get into it.

And then fucking leather face comes in with a chainsaw.

It feels like it's like four inches from her.

Yeah.

As she's getting in the keys.

I could have just fallen forward and chainsawed her.

I don't know if they would have shown that.

I my favorite Marilyn Burns anecdote aside from the the bit about like Toby Hooper enjoyed

bucks and women.

Yeah.

And so this was an easy cast and call for him was he that Marilyn Burns is like basically

like Jared Goff speed.

So get gunner gunner Hanson had to like slow down.

Yeah.

And always like run in circles and like get distracted and start chain-sying like trees

because she was like.

Yeah, she is very slow.

Yeah.

As Frank Trebbin would say she's the kind of breast that say hey look at these.

They're not afraid to break about this whole movie.

No nude scene in this movie.

No.

But yeah.

The research about Toby Hooper being infatuated by her really enjoying her.

I thought she was great.

She's awesome.

It's definitely one of those like I want you and more stuff.

But like why was she genuinely cursed a lie or like take center stage in the last 35

minutes of the movie?

Yeah.

Because Pam's the one reading all the zodiac stuff and seems like the guys are in like

it seems like she's going to be Franklin in his wheelchair is kind of like the big deal

and and then she kind of emerges.

Franklin in the wheelchair, pretty high use of trait.

Also maybe that guy, the whole movie is pretty tough on Franklin.

He doesn't get a single win.

No.

No.

He's eating human flesh.

I assumed he would be the one to make it out.

That was my guest going in.

But they kind of like they kind of make it clear that's impossible because it's like this

is pre-American disability act.

Like this guy is like there's no ramps.

He's basically dependent on these people to push him places.

Yeah.

Which makes it scary.

Like a two minute scene where it's just him trying to get up like that little hill to

get into the walkway.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What do you think he was eating?

Human remains.

But what do you think it was?

I think it was like a I really don't want to speculate because it seemed it seemed kind

of Alex.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot more on the research from the movie later but 125K budget ultimately when you throw

in the promotion made $31 million.

Roger Ebert two stars.

This is a really interesting review.

It's without any apparent purpose unless the creation of disgust and fright is a purpose.

And yet its own way the movie is some kind of weird off the wild achievement.

I can't imagine why anyone wanted to make a movie like this.

And yet it's well made, well acted and all too effective and set it belongs with

that living dead last house to the left films that are really a lot better than the

genre required.

Roger never liked horror.

Can I read one more excerpt from his review?

Yeah.

A true crime movie like Richard Brooks's in cold blood which studies the personalities

and compulsions of the two killers dealt directly with documented material and was all the

more effective for that.

But Texas chainsaw massacre could have been made up from whole cloth without any apparent

difference.

No motivation, no background, no speculation on causes is evident anywhere in the film.

It's simply an exercise and terror.

That's the point.

Yeah.

Because if you're experiencing terror like that of what uses somebody's compulsions or personalities.

Like listen, Roger likes story.

Yeah, he does.

He loves story character.

I love story.

There wasn't a ton of stories in this movie.

But he's probably like Marilyn Burns thumbs up.

I'm like, I'm left there.

I'm gonna tell Russ Meyer about her.

All right, we'll take a break.

Then we'll do the categories.

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What's rewatchable scene?

I'm not going to say the opening is a rewatchable scene, but I do really like it.

I also like when they put the date, it gives it like this attitude.

August 18, 1973.

It makes a shit that that happened.

Did you crack?

Did you like that opening?

Because the opening crawl, the credits and the shot of the graveyard is one of the great

tone setting opening two minutes of a movie ever made.

Especially because for the next 35, 40 minutes, it's really not much.

It's days of confused.

I think it was really effective.

First scene, the hitchhiker joined in the van.

This goes about as well as when Antonio Brown joined the Patriots.

Just bad idea, picking them up.

Where's the we thought ended with people bleeding.

This guy is just, is this guy two bonkers or the right bonkers?

I'm going to do one of my hottest takes right now.

This guy's scarier than leather face.

To me, in a lot of ways, because I think probably everybody has a story of some sort of interaction

like this where you're like, oh shit, like this guy's fully gone and I'm accidentally

like talking to him at a bar or outside it in a street in the night or whatever.

And usually the modern version of this is getting stuck with somebody in the corner of

a bar.

Yeah.

And you slowly realize, oh no.

This guy wants to take my picture.

Yeah, this is going to be rough.

This guy wants to show me his.

This is going to be tough.

His knife.

Yeah.

Um, and hitchhikers in general, I have a lot of thoughts.

I had an experience actually like a couple years ago and Philly at a bar where a guy was

like, check out my knife and I was just like, okay.

Okay.

And like everybody chilled him out, but he was like, he was like, check it out, check it

out.

And we were all like, yo man, the scariest parts about those situations is like, they're

calling the shots.

You're like, I'm in their world right now and I just kind of have to roll to punches and

hope I get out.

Like you kind of can't, you have to be like cool like, you got kind of have to play

along because if you're just like, you're making me uncomfortable like, I don't know what

the reaction is going to be.

Yeah.

I mean, the weirdest thing is that the ringer always happens with Danny Kelly.

I know.

When you put like three drinks in him and he just something, a switch snaps.

Except he's just like, he's sitting in his eyes.

Hey, I want to show you Legion of Boon highlights.

Yeah.

He's like, this is a running back on Florida State.

I don't really feel like you're listening to me.

You're not going to believe how it gets to the corner.

You're not going to be talking to grow up break off and check out the house.

They're going to check out a water and hold.

So you're skipping the first gas station stop.

Yeah.

Okay.

Why you want to, you thought just love the redhead washing the windows.

Yeah.

And he keeps going back and forth.

It's like one of the funniest parts of the movie.

He's coming up and down waiters later.

They go, there's no water in the watering hole and then for some reason they decide to walk

toward a house, because they might have gas.

Yeah.

Finds a tooth inside.

Mm-hmm.

Looks a little rotten on the end of it.

Thanks to be funny to give it to his girlfriend.

I'm out at that point.

That's a human tooth.

We're leaving.

The amount of times I would have been out.

That was my number one.

Yeah.

I stopped counting it.

That's a two point.

No.

No.

I went out when somebody's like, should we pick up that hitchhike curve?

That's a little bit of a red-trump.

Wait an animal squealing in the house.

Yeah.

I think I'll go in.

Oh no.

Curse.

Let their face.

The rare, no sound murder.

There is a sound though.

And it sounds like, while let's get in cracked and it's this skull getting me.

It is one of the grossest things I've ever heard.

And it is like, oh, this isn't even going to be like psychomusic or anything.

It's just like brutality.

No music at all.

And then the metal door slam, which is impressive how fast it is.

I'm going to give this to Todd Parker, a word for best character entrance.

You can argue it's the leather face or word.

Among the best ever.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

He frantically slams the sliding door shutters.

Really good.

Yeah.

Really effective.

Also, have we explored hardhammers enough in horror movies?

I think there's such, like, it doesn't have the like, invasive sleekness and

almost eroticism, I think, that a lot of like, like, life kills do.

You know, I would argue it's pretty great.

Yeah.

She's pounding somebody in there, maybe the unconscious.

And then you can go to work on it.

That leads to the, to Kirk's, I guess, girlfriend, whatever she is, of course, go play the,

not understanding why Kirk hasn't come out of the house yet.

She ends up going in, because that's a good idea.

That ends up in the chicken room.

I'm sure what's happening in there.

A lot of feathers.

Does this scare us place ever invented?

It's just, I mean, there's a lot of research about the, the art director just going around

Texas and picking up decomposing animal parts and going to like, skeleton dermis and

Romanarians and stuff.

And this guy, I mean, obviously, this could have been the sequel to the movie, could have

been this art director who might have also been a serial killer, thought stuff he found.

Yeah.

Puts together the creepiest room, maybe in the history, horror movies.

Reassembled bone icon kind of like the guy sitting there.

Yeah.

Fucking bonkers.

Then leather face shows up, carries her to the other room and puts her on a hook.

And then she gets to watch Kirk get changed.

This is like, you can't even believe this is happening.

Was your wife here for that?

She was just like, what was in these drinks?

Because you're going for a half hour, like, is anything going to happen in this movie?

And it's like, yeah, stuff's going to happen actually.

And here we go.

So we got that movie.

We have Buddy Jerry goes to find both of them, the classic horror movie of the guy going

in the creepy house, knowing something's wrong and doing the, quit playing jokes.

I love it to be really mad if this is a joke.

Just get the fuck out.

Now one A for this scene is just the interaction between Franklin and Sally.

She obviously really wants to go with Jerry, hang out with him.

But Franklin is immobile.

And that reminded me that I forgot that their brother's brother and sister and that this

movie is basically like Hooper said is a riff on Hansel and Gretel.

Like it's supposed to be the two of them's, their story of like this, they go off in the

woods and meet a monster.

And that's like the moment.

I'm like, oh, right.

She can't leave him.

And it kind of saves her life that she doesn't leave him, but it costs him his.

Well, we get the girl in the igloo and then we get Kirk's buddy Jerry just really taking

it, getting smoked.

Yeah, yeah, get smoked.

So that happens.

We get leather face killing a wheelchair guy, the brother Franklin.

Another good jump scare.

It's like, I think I hear noise.

Sally freaks out and then she's running around.

That station guy, that really helped in Sally.

That's another scene.

Go get your grandpa.

Don't drop him.

Do you remember, I guess, because you were 11 the first time you saw it, but when you were

watching it, when you watched that scene for the first time, did you, were you like surprised

that the gas station guy was bad?

Oh, yeah.

Yes, I thought he, I mean, in the, in the, when it was happening, I thought he was going

to save her.

Okay.

So he was in there to help.

It's one of the great, like that has become like a turn of like the person you run for

for help is like, there was something about the way he grabbed her face.

That made you pause.

It's incredible.

Like where you're like, oh, maybe I'm wrong.

Yeah.

Because there's a moment he's like, it's fine.

Don't worry.

No, because I'm looking at her like, I'm going to eat you later.

Like, yes.

And my favorite, it's not my great shot, Gordo, but one of my favorite little moments

of the movie is when he's like, I'm going to go get my truck and we're going to drive

to the other town to call the cops.

And she's just looking out the door and it's that shot of the door before the truck pulls

up where she's like, should I run?

Like, should I get out of here?

I kind of feel like she sees the organs.

And she sees all the, all the shit roasting.

She's like, this is wrong.

This is wrong.

And then he pulls up and he's got the bag and the rope and she's like, fuck, you know,

like, it's such a great moment.

Friday 13th rip, sort of, the girl at the end when she's running and runs into Jason's

mom.

Yeah.

And then she's going to help for a split second.

Always good when it's like, you're not going to help.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Your, your uncle right?

Yeah.

This is going to be bad.

The bloody finger suck for grandpa is super disturbing.

Yeah.

For sure.

I like that she passes out.

I thought that was the correct response to I'm being tortured by all these guys.

Fucking grandpa who I thought was dead when I went up in the room.

He's actually alive.

They cut my finger and now grandpa is sucking it.

I'm going to pass out now.

Is this just like early platelet treatment?

Like how is grandpa still alive?

Is it just, is he like just getting like his blood spun?

It's like the 1970s version of our Emmanuel eating probiotic worms.

Yeah.

He grandpa's going up the town with my pelted next week.

It's going to explain everything.

I read that that her, it was real that they like they cut her finger.

They actually cut her finger and it was an actual blood because they ran out of fake

blood or something.

They couldn't figure out how to pull off the finger cut and they just cut her finger.

A lot of people saying you're a cannibal.

I'm not saying that.

Are you interested in Paramount?

That's SkyDance been in touch.

The blood sucking, let's get into that dinner with grandpa.

I'm going to say worst dinner in bite of all time in the movie.

This is it.

You're tied up.

You've three psychopaths.

It's not just that they're going to kill you, they're mocking you.

They're gooning out.

Like those guys are doing like they're like yelling at each other.

They're trying to put together like some sort of human feast.

You're you're to strap down.

This desiccated old man is going to start sucking on your blood.

I mean, it's, it's the worst of the worst.

And then when you watch it knowing that all the actors are going outside to puke.

Yeah.

It just makes it seem like the most miserable experience of all time.

The family therapy session with those three would have been really interesting.

I really also like one of the most nauseating things in the movie is the old man hitting

her with the hammer.

It's like grandpa come back for one last kill.

You got this, you know, well, he's the best killer there ever was.

It's like Ben Johnson case keyed him out there.

Yeah.

I wrote that grandpa was like Drake made this season.

Rogers.

Grandpa can't run anymore, but he can call out protection.

He gets the ball out fast.

Good luck.

He couldn't really pull it off.

No, didn't have it in him anymore.

Trying to play one last season.

Mistake getting him involved and she ends up getting away and jumping out the window

of second time.

And then the ending is really an all-timer.

This poor truck driver is just he stops.

I still don't, I'm just picking this later, but still not sure why he didn't.

He just drive away in the truck.

Yeah, there's one weird scene where they kind of both get into the truck.

Yeah.

And they could just drive, but then they end up they walk in, they get in through one door

and then they leave without the other.

I think he starts chainsawing the driver's side door and I think she gets out and he

gets out and they start running the other side.

I get out.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Um, this is the most haunting ending to any movie I've ever seen.

It's an all-time greatest last shot other than possibly Halloween.

Myers not being there at the end.

I cut in on Lou miss his face and go to the all the places Myers had been.

I still think this is better.

I think you're right.

Her face covered in blood, screaming and him screaming back, waving a chainsaw and the

dawn sun is just like it will, I will think about the first time I saw that for the rest

of my life.

And it kind of turns from a scream to like a maniacal laugh a little bit.

It's like this weird blend of like hysteria.

Yeah.

It's very good.

However, my most rewatchable scene is as Kirk getting killed and the lead up to that.

I agree.

I don't think there's any question.

Yeah.

If this movie is on cable and we're we're around that area.

I'm going to watch it because I love one of the other fish shows up.

What's the most 1974 thing about this movie?

I could offer you the Polaroid camera.

The hitchhiker has.

Mm-hmm.

Chess that weird little attachment flash bulb.

They spell it, chainsaw is two words in the title.

Interesting.

I don't know when we stopped doing that, but now chainsaw is one word basically.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

The old, old wheelchair Franklin has.

That's like a classic, you know, you're not even in the 80s.

Yeah.

Calling someone's girlfriend your old lady.

I don't know when that's stopped.

Yeah.

It somehow became offensive, but you know, I kind of like it though.

Yeah, I don't mind to neither.

Chris, your old lady coming today.

And then I think the winner is just hitchhikers.

Yeah.

I mean, the only other thing I have was the girls outfits.

Yeah.

Which kind of have come back a little bit.

Somewhat.

Yeah.

Hitchhikers have not come back.

No.

We can't talk about that.

We can't take the hitchhiker, Craig.

Hell no.

Yeah.

It's always the most nut.

Like we can't talk about it now.

I mean, this movie, my only answerable question is, is does this movie end hitchhiking?

No, because I think it was still going through the 70s.

Did you ever pick up a hitchhiker?

No.

Did you ever hitchhike?

No.

Um, I remember there's a TV movie called Diary of a Teenage Hitchhiker.

Mm-hmm.

During the height of ABC TV movies in the 70s.

They had a couple different ones, but this was the best one.

And this guy in a van was just wiping out hitchhikers.

And that I felt like was the final nail in the coffin.

Yeah.

But, you know, my mom, my dad went to college

at Holy Cross and my mom went to college at Boston College.

And they started dating the last couple of years.

It's like 45 minutes apart.

My dad hitchhiked back to Boston every weekend.

So this was a thing that happened basically late 60s through the mid 70s, which as I mentioned

on other pods, this is why the mid 70s.

Well, like how, what like Boston hitchhiking?

Isn't that just getting in a truck with a guy who's like the fucking bees to kill in

me?

Yeah, you're going to get on the highway.

It's like, what's up with Freddie Land?

Is he ever going to play?

But the, this was why I always say this is the glory era for Syracur's.

Yeah.

Like 75 to 78, because if you're a Syracur, you'd be like, I feel like I feel like

someone somebody, I'll just drive around.

If I get a hitchhiker and then I'll kill them.

Yeah.

And that's it.

So you lost that.

But the internet is replaced.

No, I think.

Um, Flood Gunn-Dally Butter My Ass.

Lollipops of my mouth award for something I just enjoy.

What do you got?

I have leather face moves and acts like Warren and there's something about Mary.

And once you see it, you can't unsee it.

He does the same run everything.

And I said it to my wife yesterday and she was fucking dying watching it.

You should hit up the fairway.

He was with the chance on like, freaks of me.

It's freaks of me.

But it's hilarious.

Everything about the other face, how he runs is General DeMiner.

I think he's just hilarious.

Yeah.

What say it's the best?

Slotter Houses in a horror movie.

Pretty great.

Yeah.

Not sure there's a creepier location.

Yeah.

And I think even just tying the human violence to like a larger kind of like larger carnage.

Like murderous bent of like society.

Yeah.

Violent bent of society.

Grave robbing as a horror movie kind of premise device.

It's it just creates so much dread to hear that report and to see that opening shot of

like the sort of statue of bones that they've created in that graveyard.

God, that graveyard scene also low key and incredibly creepy.

Like the old drunk guy and all the people leering at the women.

Yeah.

And that's, you know, the whole thing was this idea that like all these locations that

they're stopping at are supposed to be like quintessential like small town America backbone

kind of upstanding places like a gas station where you can get help and gas and directions

and a graveyard where everybody puts to rest their family and can go visit.

And it's like every one of those things is like the most demonic version of it.

Yeah.

It's just it's worth.

I just thought I was worth pointing out.

Seventies vans.

Yeah.

And he seats in that thing they're all just kind of like lying around the back.

It's kind of how it went back then because we never see belts.

Yeah, you just would have the two seats in the front.

Everybody else can pile in the back.

There's a car accident.

Everyone's just going to die immediately.

And that's how we did it.

Oh, we slaughter barbecue sign.

That is the best.

That would be a great addition to the room.

It's aggressive.

It's you can say we have barbecue.

Yes, but you're basically saying we slaughter our own barbecue.

Yes, I'm a fresh.

This is the freshest possible.

We've literally just killed this barbecue today.

Chainsaw deaths.

I just feel like chainsaws have still been underrated.

Scarface has a great one.

I think people are scared off because no one will ever touch this.

Like his.

Yeah.

I don't even know if there is another chainsaw horror movie outside of this.

Spranchise.

But if there is, it's probably like.

Well, and also from a what's H the best standpoint?

Every time you see a chainsaw, you kind of just want to grab it and do the other face.

I like the dad and his hitchhiker son.

Yeah.

Some of the stuff he says to him, stuff like, come here, you're not paired.

You just start talking to Ben like that.

I'm going to pick it up.

The fear of picking up the wrong hitchhiker just as age the best.

The poster of this is aged incredibly.

It's really good.

I love that they only had one chainsaw for the whole movie.

Instead of enough money to buy backups.

So it's basically like one outfit for leather face.

One chainsaw.

We've just got to make this work.

One outfit for everybody.

Yeah.

It takes place over 24 hours.

Yeah.

There are 868 edits in 83 minute movie.

Which apparently is a lot.

Texas chainsaw baskers would inspired Ridley Scott to make Alien.

Yes.

I have one more, but what do you have for what's it?

Again, hugely influential like Scorsese loves this movie.

Spielberg thought this movie was incredible.

Like pretty much.

Charantina.

And Friedkin, all these people thought it was amazing.

I think Daniel Pearl cinematography is like easily the best aspect of this movie.

It's like part of it feels like.

Precursor to like Paris, Texas or like these like incredible vistas of the Southwest.

But some of it feels like documentary style like handheld.

The the shoe string budget that they made it on it.

There's no reason it should look this good.

And there's some just unbelievable shots.

You mentioned the cutting.

It's amazing.

Probably Marilyn Burns' screen.

And the what is now become a trope in horror movies of the person you think is going to help you

turning on you, which we discussed.

I asked so I didn't realize this until I read this that there's three different masks.

And Gunner Hansen who played leather face said there was the killing mask.

The old lady mask and pretty woman mask.

Yes.

And that old lady mask was the domestic kitchen mask.

I thought old lady mask and dinner masks were the same, but they weren't me too.

Yeah, I guess I guess he changes for actually eating dinner.

He said at dinner, the pretty woman makeup female wig in a black suit because he's in Texas.

You dress up for dinner and then killing mask is like, this is my my go time mask.

This is when I kill and torture people.

I put this one on.

I would also say what's a good the best is the fact that this movie is such a rich text.

Countless books have been written about it.

Everybody everybody from like gender studies to anthropologists have like analyzed this movie.

And talked about its relevance in the history of Texas.

Yeah, an American history and like what was going on with Nixon and all this stuff.

And and it definitely has like a resonance.

And I think the best horror movies often do.

They say something about the time that they were made in great.

Check order award recovered at the last shot.

Oh, actually, I have a different one.

Then the last shot under the swing.

Pam walking towards the house.

Why?

Because she's got a great.

Couple random just like long as shots.

Yeah, there's a great tech Craig's progression through the movie of.

Oh, cool.

Only 84 minutes.

A lot of us shots in this movie.

Jesus Christ.

I'm going to show you.

This is the nature violation.

Big hunter burger wear a best use of food or drink.

Obviously the human sausage.

I was going to say maybe also just the discussion of head cheese.

Yeah, which was a person last time I ever considered.

I didn't know that was the thing until it's yeah organ.

It's like it's like awful.

Right?

It's like it's it's ground up cow head that is turned not into cheese

but into like a jelly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sounds like the worst thing of all time.

Was Franklin eating human meat?

I thought he was just eating barbecue.

Yeah, because you can see he's like, what is this?

Oh, and this is what he got from the gas.

It's like a sausage and he's just like he eats it.

I mean, finishes it.

But he's like the first time he bites into it.

He's kind of like, what is this?

Like chess rock, rock, rock, and there's a word.

Best character name.

It's got to be leather face.

Yeah.

The best part is his brother calls him leather face at one point.

So go get him leather face.

That was an endearing nickname or his name was like,

I think it's because it's the only way to communicate to the audience.

His name, like you have to say it all out.

Otherwise, how would you know?

Did you think he was he had like a Kevin Durant ask problem with leather faces

and nicknamed was like, I'm not the slim river.

I am not leather face.

My name's Michael.

Was there a better title with this movie?

God, though, they worked on Saturn's return.

They also considered leather face and head cheese, but no.

Head cheese is not a bad title.

Movie makes one dollar.

I know leather face is fine.

They could have done that.

But Texas change.

I'm asking her.

The best.

Yeah.

I would argue one of the better titles of the last 55 years.

Texas change saw a massacre.

It really does.

I know it's going to do kind of know what's going to happen in this movie.

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He got game hooker scene for the most awkward scene.

If someone randomly walks in the room, I'm going to go with Pam getting thrown

on the meat hook.

But this movie might have the most.

He got game scenes of any film I've ever seen.

Like if you're watching dinner, the dinner scene and someone walks in.

And they don't know what you're watching.

There's some, there's some answers.

You're going to have to have some answers to some questions.

I also had another one, which was this Den of the Spanihana scene stealing location

for the chicken, the chicken room.

Oh, Pam's chicken.

I like it.

Yeah.

Butch's girlfriend award week link of the film.

I say this fully understanding.

He's supposed to be the week waiting to talk about Franklin.

I get his purpose in the movie.

I fully understand it.

I absolutely hate Franklin.

It's we had the good hang bad hang category sometimes.

Just there's nowhere saying that Franklin.

And you want him to die.

But this is Texas monthly wrote his constant demand for attention.

His high pitch cries of Sally, his anger to burn else, make it one of the most

despicable handicap people in film history.

He's the only one who almost seems to deserve his death.

So I think that's the point.

It is.

And I think the most important moment for Franklin is when everybody pairs

off at the at the first house when they go like his parents house or whatever.

And he's kind of like I'm the fifth wheel because it kind of explains why he was

even engaging with the hitchhiker.

He's almost like I'm this lonely dude.

Yeah.

These guys are all going to go fuck later.

Like I don't know.

I'm just asking questions.

I'm trying to I'm trying to get some conversation started.

Trying to get some takes off.

And nobody wants to deal with me.

But it never the less I've been brought on this trip.

I just think it's like a really like he's longing for something.

He's longing for connection and you find the worst possible connection ever.

Do you think that 52 years later he'd have a lot of reddit posts?

Sure.

Yeah.

Being a lot of different reddits sites.

We believe like why is Bill leading with the Celtics again?

Yeah.

He'd have 82,000 letter box for what's Bill talking about freeble again.

I sounds like Paul Party was a bit of a pain in the ass method actor based on like the reports.

I was like.

Yeah.

I was like that whenever it is.

I guess a fucking asshole.

Can you imagine being a method actor on a $60,000 movie?

No.

I I I I said can't imagine being a method actor.

Yeah.

I just think feel like it's every time we get that in the research.

I was like, let's deal with these dudes.

They're supposed to be actors turn it off.

What stage of worst?

My wife brought this up actually.

She was very surprised there wasn't a nude scene or some sort of where they shoehorn something in because that's what's in every horror movie.

They didn't do that in this.

And it's kind of interesting to watch it because especially when they go to the water cooler.

The what what do they call it the water?

I'm saying water.

Oh, when they're going to like to water.

Yeah, the water hole.

And you're like, okay, here we go.

And she's going to take her top off.

No, nothing.

So you're disappointed in that.

No, it's just from a what stage the worst from our expectations of a horror movie.

Right.

It's like, oh, I guess it's a slight misdirect because like we the previously mentioned Ashots, Sally, her shirt, you kind of expect.

It's coming.

And even like the people, the you know, the family.

It's almost like they're not even interested in the fact that she's like a pretty.

No, they're not like like and I thought that was coming the whole time.

Yeah.

No, they just are in it for the love of the game.

I don't know if that had something to do with like the ratings board or something like that.

But maybe I mean, this movie is like.

Doesn't really have anything about like.

They're not killed because they're having sex with each other.

Yeah.

Killed because they go looking for gas.

You would expect one line of like, oh, you're a pretty girl.

Like there's none of that.

Nothing.

Well, there's this is another what stage the worst.

When she's at the dinner table and she's like, please, I'll do whatever you want.

It's like, whoa.

Yeah.

Settle down, Sally.

What do you mean she's trying to live?

I would be like that to.

Yeah.

I'll get her in my blood.

Lap the it's.

Um, but it's just it's it's tough that they put her in that position and say that kind of along these same lines about.

Something falling short of expectations, I guess.

There's only one chainsaw death in this movie.

Yeah, Franklin.

Yeah.

More hammer.

Yeah.

I mean, in some ways Texas hammer masquerade.

Let the face a lot of talk.

Not a lot of chainsaw.

You know, people are saying.

Um, and then all the characters just got the shit kicked out of them in this movie.

Yeah, most, most, uh, primarily Maryland burns.

Um, who got hit and head over and over again with the rubber hammer had to land from windows and ran through.

Yes.

A lot on her last costume is stuck on her.

All this stuff.

Um, and who per se at the rap party that everyone just basically hated has got some.

It's pissed about it.

Um, and then what's the age of worst?

Uh, I think that the sound that the hammer makes when it hits Kirk skull is age the worst in so much is it like.

Every time I like crack my shoulder a little bit, I'm like, oh, yeah, I like thinking about that.

Repplo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting award.

A lot of, a lot of possibilities here.

I got the hitchhiker gas station guy at dinner.

Yeah.

You were like, you know, like all that stuff.

It was apparently the only sag actor.

Yeah, they needed one of them.

When would I have died thriller and horror movies only for this category discounts?

I die when grandpa sucking my bloody finger.

That's it.

I think I swallow my own tongue or just die afraid.

I eat.

I would just jump out the window when hitchhiker starts going off.

I would be like, I guess I'm going to just roll out of this van at 45 miles per hour.

Yeah.

If I'm Franklin, I don't know if like I'm getting up from getting knocked off the road by a truck while I'm got my dick in my hand.

Yeah.

You're nading into a coffee can.

And then that's like a weird like miss like bad omen in the beginning of this film.

But yeah, I don't think I make it through the hitchhiking.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been here and support how to take a word.

What do you got?

This is the scariest movie I've ever made.

I watched this movie for the first time in the late 90s.

I was not like really a horror person, not scared of them, but just didn't really see a lot growing up.

So horror is more something I've watched like in the second half of my life.

But I watched this movie when I was like 18 or 19 or something like that.

I was moving into a house in Mission Hill.

That was kind of like dilapidated.

It was fine, but it was kind of rundown.

And by the time we were done like all the runs to move our shit in just to get it in the house.

It was like midnight.

So we were like looking to the box that we had and somebody had Texas chainsaw on VHS.

And we were like, let's watch a movie and have a couple of beers before a good event.

And we worry about all this tomorrow.

We watched this from like 1230 to 2.

I was up for the rest of the night.

None of us had seen it.

We were all freaked out.

And then like we were watching in the dark and all our shit was everywhere.

And it's like typical like 20 year old guy.

It's like we got like an air hockey table on the wall and everything is in boxes like the TVs on a crate.

I was so freaked out at the end of this.

The same way I felt with Blair Witch was like, was that real?

What did I just watch?

Are those people dead?

Like how is this legal?

And it's just stuck with me forever.

It's no movie has ever disturbed me like this one.

I'd have to think about that for my own pick, but it's definitely in the running.

It's about as unsettling as it gets because there's parts of like.

I think there's also the fact that it's not supernatural that freaks me out.

It's not the exorcist.

It's not like these people could really exist.

Maxifus is terrifying and everything, but like Jason and Freddie and Michael Myers all kind of like exist in this kind of like supernatural evil.

You know, aliens scary.

There are modern movies like, you know Blair Witch or Green Room or I there's a bunch of movies that are scary, but this is this scares me because it feels so real.

Did you have a had a steak?

I did.

I think it's going to start adding how this takes this to mix it up.

I can.

It is the master of the how to stay.

I think we need to go back to nightmare shoots movie shoots.

I think we need to start.

I think it's gotten too soft now and it's hurting the art and I think we need to go back to like this is going to be really hard.

Maybe you can sign a waiver.

It's like climbing Everest.

It's like, hey, you're back to enter something that's really difficult.

But I think we need to get back to like it's going to be a hundred degrees.

You're going to have to wear the same outfit because it's going to get the best performance out of you.

I like it.

It's interesting.

There will be some HR violations committed.

Here's the waiver.

You don't have to do it.

But once you sign, you're in it.

You'll probably talk about this at internet research, but this was a movie that got some dubious funding.

Oh, yeah.

And then after the fact when it became a hit, you know, none of their actors participated in the profits from the movie.

Like they got paid a couple grand, a hundred dollars or whatever.

Kind of reminds me of what happened with obsession.

Yeah.

Where, you know, the set designer came out like as the movie is kind of on this rocket ship and was like none of us like we all have to work our asses off.

And I don't think this could ever happen again.

I just think you'd have people like on the set putting up stories being like.

This is being tortured on this guy just puked next to me like don't go see Texas chainsaw mask or inhumane working conditions.

Maybe for better for worse, but obviously you just get a different kind of movie when this kind of thing happens.

My how to take leather face was the victim.

Jesus bill.

He's just in his own house.

Good.

Can a guy just being his house.

This is a really good take.

You know what?

Multiple people came in.

He's just defending his property.

He's got a hobby.

It's taxidermy.

Stay out of your stay out of your house.

Do you think he's just working?

These kids were cursed.

Or more.

By the photo by the photo and the blood on the van.

The burning photo.

And that there was gas, but he pretended like there wasn't.

And that like all this stuff that happens is basically like they're getting pushed towards the house.

Or is it completely random?

And if they had never gone to the house next door, they would have lived.

I think there's some voodoo stuff with the with the burn picture.

Something sinister with that.

But for the most part, Franklin's keyed in on that.

He's like, do you think that guy's going to follow us?

Do you think that guy knows where we are?

Do you think that guy's going to come after us?

I think it's scary or if it's random.

Sure.

I mean, the big ultimate lesson here is get fucking gas when you need to get gas.

Just stop it.

It's a Miyagi.

That's the one thing.

Don't drop below a hat.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Leatherface is just home.

Somebody came in in my house right now.

What would I do?

You put on your old lady card hammer.

Casting what ifs.

I don't know.

Gunner Hansen regarded leatherface as having intellectual distance.

That's having intellectual disability.

And that's how he performed the part.

John Lara cat performed the narration and the opening credits and was paid by Marijuana.

There aren't really any what ifs because they men of these actors were known act also as of like 2008 had not seen the movie or something like that I read interviewers like I've never watched john laricat.

Joey pants a word for best that guy and done.

I can either offer you grandpa or a gas station washing the windshield guy washing the windshield guy.

Do you think he's part of the family?

Does he get to and buy in the book?

No, because he didn't get invited to dinner.

I feel like he's like there can't for something part time.

Do you think he goes home and he's like weird to the office?

Yeah.

Another weird one.

I had to clear up more bones.

Recast and couch director city.

I tried to come up with a cast if this was a big movie with real actors in the 70s or now in 1974.

Okay.

Jeff Bridges rob riner and Ron Howard.

Maybe Rob Riner's in the wheelchair.

Penny Marshall and Goldie Han Goldie Hans the one that survives Goldie is last girl.

Yeah, final girl.

Yeah, it would be tough watching Penny Marshall get killed.

What it?

No.

No, they should be the horoscope comic relief.

I think the unknown quality of the actors is what makes it because you're just like they just seem like real people.

Craig's got a flex.

Dennis Peck relationship test.

Jesus.

You think Dennis could have gotten out of that house.

You think you could have charmed the family?

You think leather face would have been like, I like Dennis.

Do you think so?

Is Peck wearing the polo tucked into the jeans?

Yeah.

He shows up clean hair, clean cut.

You think leather face.

What's up with your sailor?

Yeah, he's like, what kind of dress do you have on there, Mr. Leatherface?

I think it works.

Usually after we do rewatchables, I don't watch the movie for a couple years because we dissected it so immaculately.

I never go back.

Internal affairs I watch like six months later.

I was like, Gary, it's just incredible.

I love him so much.

Yeah, I think he definitely could have turned.

I just would love to know if there would be somebody who had enough charm to kind of talk his way out of that house.

Yeah.

Or I think I was back.

Talk to him out of, are we sure we need to kill Sally?

Yeah.

I mean, look at her.

Look how luscious she is.

Let's keep her around.

Half-eastern research.

They filmed mostly at a 1900s farmhouse near round rock, Texas.

I don't know where that is.

The art director who drove around and picked up the cattle remains and all the weird shit was named Robert A. Burns.

So if he ever ended up, comes out that he murdered 10 people.

Sure.

Don't be shocked.

This is what I'm just going to read this one verbatim.

We already covered this, but I thought this was so funny.

Gunner Hansen later admitted in his book, Chainsaw Confidential,

that after several failed attempts, he secretly moved the detective tape from the knife and cut Marilyn Burns' finger for real.

Yeah.

That's a workplace violation.

That's OSHA right there.

Did he go on the town at which promoting Chainsaw Confidential?

Marath Gunner Hansen.

Did you take the tape off Gunner?

I don't know how you feel about the Paramount merger.

Would you be bad if he loved Must-Pot and Paramount?

The gas station, which is featured in several scenes, is now a horror themed attraction

in a Texas barbecue restaurant at a motel.

Should we do a live show there?

I was thinking, when we were in Dallas a few years ago,

I wonder how far away that was from where we was.

This is closer to Austin, right?

So I think it's several hours.

They still have the vintage sign.

We slaughter barbecue.

You mentioned the financial story.

This is the people care.

They should really Google this whole thing, but it is basically...

The Texas Monthly article has it broken down.

I think the most important part is that...

Well, there's a couple of most important parts.

They didn't have enough money to finish it.

They ended up getting financing from basically the mob

and this company that also did deep throat.

And had money that needed to wash the money from deep throat.

Because deep throat made like $45 million.

The cast was supposed to get a piece of the thing.

They ended up getting a piece, but it's only half of the movie

because they lied about whatever.

Then it was even worse than that.

Because then they had to sign away their half

because they ran out of money.

They couldn't get the print to finish it.

They said to give away more of the movie.

And they basically just kept giving away more of the movie

combined with the mob on the movie

and was lying to them about how much it made.

Yes.

And everybody got host.

It was like the worst version of that social network scene

where he's like, what did your equity get down to?

Oh, Andrew Garfield, yeah.

And yeah, it's just like...

I think even more tragic is that nobody from this movie

then slingshot into any kind of like future acting career.

Because that's the argument for like obsession.

You get paid on your next job.

And you're participating in the success of the movie

which will create opportunities for you.

And that didn't happen.

And the company that actually owed them all the money

when they figured out what was owed, had gone bankrupt.

So they didn't get that new line cinema

ended up buying the stuff from that

and belatedly gave them some money.

And this is kind of like still going on.

Like when you see an independent movie

and it's got like 70 producers credited executive producers.

So this guy gave $100,000.

And this guy raised $100,000.

And everybody's giving notes.

And everybody gets a credit.

And everybody gets to go to the premiere of the festival

if it happens.

But...

One of the recurring themes of the research

was that pretty much everybody involved with this movie.

They didn't make money from it.

It was an emotionally scarring experience.

And they're kind of bitter about it years later.

Yeah.

Except for Gunner Hanson who got to appear on Matt Bellany.

But then it's almost like perverse

because not only did they not get to participate in it

and they might be scarred from it,

but they obviously have to basically make it

the crowning achievement of their life.

So like whenever you see interviews with them,

they're always in like rooms full of Texas Chainsaw Massacre

or memorabilia.

And they've got like, we've got inventions and sign stuff.

But I don't think they had the conventions

in the same way they have now.

This is like 20 years later.

These people are golden.

Yeah.

They're just going to conventions left and right

and signing chainsaws and...

Right.

But they didn't really have that back then.

So I'll know.

Yeah.

Apex Mountain.

Indie Horror movies?

This and Blair Witch.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm going to say this.

Final Girls?

Was there a better Final Girl?

I think Lori's a more iconic Final Girl, ultimately.

I mean, they've certainly made more movies about Lori Strode.

So I think she probably would have been

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One's pretty great from the story of it in them ripin' off.

Sure.

I think two's a better movie.

Me too.

I think the last half hour of four

is probably the best of all of them.

I don't know.

Maybe we should have a vote.

We should just put a vote.

One, two, or four.

Which final Friday the 13th, you guys want us to do?

Chainsaws?

Yes.

Texas.

No, not Texas, but I think cinematic rural Texas.

Yes.

Scary Texas.

Yes.

Scary Texas.

Hot 70 Blonds, named Maryland.

Nope.

Maryland Chambers.

Toby Hooper.

Walter Guest is for him.

If he directed it, he did.

Headcheese for sure.

Movie Burgers.

Would you put Anthony Perkley

in sight?

He lives in a real way, not like a Halloween

where he got shot six times and it becomes stupid

because obviously he would have been dead.

Yeah.

This guy just lives.

He's going back to the slaughterhouse

and business as usual.

I like it.

I put Norman Bates up there.

I put Lector up there.

I think the answer is probably Myers

because of the body of work.

Sure.

Just keeps coming back.

It's got a stones over beetle.

Seagulls.

Seagulls.

Other face.

They kind of come into.

He's kind of a schedule merchant.

A little bit.

Oh, you think he's that's a home game.

Yeah, there's like walking into his house and grab some.

It's like dome team.

You can't rape robbing.

It's like cool.

Anybody can do that.

Hitchhiking.

Probably not.

The 1972 Ford Club.

Is that the van they use?

I'm going to say a pickspan for that.

Oh, I thought it was a VW.

Ford Club wagon.

Okay.

That's all I got.

Cruiser Hanks.

I have, I'll let you pick here.

I have Hanks is one of the dudes in the van.

Yeah.

But I do think crews could have done the hitchhiker.

Especially the crews were getting now.

The red car.

The bigger he was could have been the hitchhiker.

How long are you driving?

How long have you been in the van?

Two dollars is a fair price for this picture.

You've got to be.

So you're such a good brother to Franklin.

Dude, the fucking give me two dollars thing

is freaks me out so much.

Yeah.

That's the kind of thing that you're like,

oh, shit, this is going wrong.

That is literally the moment where you're like,

oh, now this dude wants to get paid

for taking a picture of them.

And it's like, this is all wrong.

This guy never should have gotten the van.

Franklin, how long have you been in the wheelchair?

That's amazing.

Did you see that?

That's amazing.

Did you see the video of him seeing the first one?

Of course I saw.

He comes back for the third handshake.

I can't believe Craig thought Cruz should be

at the rewatch most cruises of maybe.

Come on.

We're gonna be in a room with Cruz for an hour to have.

Oh my God.

He lost his mind.

Can you imagine him sitting here right now

talking about Texas Jaysup, ask her?

I would just be, I wonder if he would have gotten through

like I think Cruz is gone.

I think he's Mark and sin.

Mark says gone.

There is no Cruz.

Cruz is gone.

That Hans Gruber scale villain ranking leather face has

to be a 10 out of 10.

Yeah.

Highest we can go shattered the ceiling.

The Borat Sagnaf, Rancid Body Award or Body Order Award

also goes to leather face Gunner Hanson

in his book Chainsaw Confidential.

You'll hear him on the town next week.

He only had one shirt to wear as leather

face because they couldn't get another one.

The shirt had been dyed.

He had to wear it for four straight weeks

and by the end of the shoot,

no one would stand near him.

I can't even imagine the level of B.O.

I have it for the grandest shick as head.

How rarely reacts there in the pod?

The grandfather.

Because I think the grandfather would have been

thrown some incredibly disgusting off-speed stuff

with his desiccated body.

Yeah, true.

Fuelled only by young virgin blood.

He's been probably sitting up in that attic

in the heat for weeks.

Yeah, what's he doing up there?

I don't have a TV.

Yeah.

I think the grandpa's like one of the

freakyest things I've ever seen in a movie.

But he has a mask on, right?

So underneath the mask is probably like some true horror.

Picking nits.

So you're passing a slaughterhouse

and you're like,

should we pick up that hitchhiker?

Nope.

Keep going.

Would you die right away if you were lifted onto a metal hook?

Or would you survive with the metal hook, rip your body?

Would you sink down?

I think it depends on like,

does it hit one of your shoulders?

Is it hit like an internal work?

So you think it was like under the shoulder?

Yeah.

Like on the blade kind of.

Cause it should have slid down, right?

Yeah, I mean, she was only able to hang up there.

They had it like the way they had it.