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So before we get into the various crimes

that were committed on the field Thursday night in Texas,

let's begin with I guess the crimes that were allegedly committed, Billy,

that led to you having to be in court missing the show on Wednesday, not by you.

Let's clarify that quickly.

Yeah. Thank you.

It's like that for jury duty to potentially

render a verdict on somebody else's case.

Did you end up on the jury?

Take me, take me through it here.

Well, first of all, thank you for having me back.

I'd like to say that I heard Wednesday's show and I heard a lot of cynicism

as whether or not I was in fact even summoned to jury duty.

So I brought my jury summons here to show you

shield if you would like.

I heard all my address.

You're a your wife.

I turned that part around, but I don't know if a

juror idea is something that someone could steal.

So please don't do that.

But I will say this.

I heard shield.

There was some skepticism from not just you.

Your wife as well was bad mouthing me potentially.

So if you'd like, you could send your email to me.

Your wife's email.

I'm happy to send you the certificate of completion of my civic duty.

Unfortunately, I was not selected this time.

I went there.

I watched some movies.

I was not selected.

But I will say I am summoned an uncommon amount of times to jury duty.

So down here we have three courts that could summon you.

We have federal court, criminal court, and civil court.

And I think it's because I changed my license.

I had to update it like two or three years ago.

I will get hit by multiple courts a year.

And I try to say I was already summoned

and like that was another one of the branches.

You still have to come and report.

So I will have to report like two to three times a year.

And I always report.

I always go online.

I fill out the paperwork.

I do a lot of stuff because I'm afraid that I'm going to be the one

that like a sheriff shows up to the house and like arrests you

for not fulfilling your civic duty.

So they always call me back.

I get hit up every year for almost three times a year.

Yeah, because I'll get each court hitting me up usually once a year.

So I have like a civil case and a criminal case or a federal case.

So it's wild.

I was selected one time to be on a jury.

Brutal.

I don't, while it's great to fulfill your civic duty,

I don't recommend it.

Like it was not a great case.

It was like very sketchy.

Then goes down and then the rest of your life are like,

did we do the right thing?

Did we not do the right thing?

So like not great.

So that's when you kind of start.

I don't do like the excuses when they do the questioning

to get out, but I will sometimes be a little sassy on some responses.

Just to put enough doubt into like the lawyer's heads where they don't like.

So like,

for example,

okay, an example of a sassy Billy response to that was my wife's only point.

Billy just to clear clear the record.

She thought, you know, you're big fan of Billy Gill, but you know what?

Some of his responses, maybe his mannerisms, maybe that might some lawyers might be like,

let's just go in a different direction.

That's all she was saying.

So I did that.

I practiced this time.

I had one in mind for what it was going to be that I was going to do

if we got that far, but we didn't.

But I learned this on the last one,

which is kind of just ask a lot of questions that caused out within the lawyer.

So what happened on the last one was when I was being questioned,

the judge made it a point to tell us one of the sides,

the defense or the other side, whatever,

is going to have a character witness.

So the way a character witness works is

this is not someone who actually witnessed the crime.

This is an expert who's being brought in by one of the sides

and they may or may not be being compensated for their testimony

as character witnesses in this trial.

So like does anyone have any questions?

So I raised my hand because this was a long day.

Aren't we having an expert witness, not a character witness?

Yeah, an expert witness.

That's that's the one Tom.

So this is what happened.

This was this was like a jury of like over a hundred people

and they had already whittled it down like two or three times.

So we're down to like the last third of people.

So it's getting likely that I get selected.

So I'm like, I'm going to have to speak up or they may just like

pick my my quiet nature and just put me on the jury.

So like this is a expert witness.

You said, right Tom?

Yeah, expert witness.

So I raised my hand and I say,

so the expert witness might be getting paid, correct?

And like, yes, they, you know, were likely getting paid.

And I said, well, if they were not actual witnesses

and they are being paid for their testimony,

wouldn't they just be selecting people

that are going to say what they want to be said as experts?

And you know, an entire field of doctors,

would they not select the doctor who's going to have

view that's favorable to their client

and not one who's being unbiased in this situation?

And I saw that the lawyer for the opposition like perk up

and like, do a little smirk and take down notes.

And I was like, I either just got myself selected

or I cause enough doubt in this situation

that they're like, we are removing this guy

from the equation entirely.

Because once I asked that, the judge was like,

well, theoretically, yes, but you know,

it's not necessarily like that.

And I just remind the jury pool to remain unbiased

and all of a sudden, I'm like, I think,

I think I did enough here.

So you said it in front of all the other perspectives.

Oh, yeah.

Poison the whole pool.

Well, no, I informed the pool that this person is just an expert.

They're not necessarily a witness.

Because when you throw the witness on there,

you assume they saw this situation happen.

So there's a gray area there.

I was trying to clarify for myself

and also potentially the rest of the jury pool.

Now, I do feel bad for the jurors that go out

that they're like, I really want to serve.

Because there's like the young people

that call for the first time, they're like,

I really want to serve.

And you see them and then the judge will ask me questions.

Like, do you think you could be unbiased?

Like, no, and it's like, but I really want to serve.

It's like, buddy, you're saying the wrong things here.

You're never going to serve on a jury.

If you're telling them you're going to be on,

you can't be unbiased.

So there's ways around it.

You don't need to just jump into saying crazy racist things

that you see the internet tell you to do.

Avoid that. That's insane behavior.

She'll, how many times you've been selected ever?

Full lifetime.

I've never been selected.

I've gone.

I've gotten the letter I show up.

How many times have you actually gotten picked?

I think, I mean, three times maybe in my life.

That's a good thing.

Billy, having been selected, like,

for having been called 50 different times.

Just some math.

It's a recent development.

I'm telling you, it's like the last three years.

And I always write them.

I'm like, I just got called.

This can't be right.

And they're like, no, that was, that was simple.

This is a different court.

You got to show up.

And I'm like, this is absurd.

Like, what if I just don't show up?

You're not going to come to my house.

What if I just, because it says here,

you need to sign in to acknowledge that you received this?

What if the mail carrier loses this paper?

Like, we went to Sweden for a work event.

I sent my daughter a postcard from Sweden.

It was like a free thing.

Just never arrived.

Got lost somewhere between Stockholm and Miami.

Just never got here.

What if that were to happen to this summit?

It never happens somehow.

Well, that's our show.

Thanks to tune in.

Everybody will be back on Monday.

Cowboys have one of these games.

We talked about earlier this year that I feel like it's a home game

against the heavy underdog.

And everyone assumes this is just going to be a win.

Check the box and move on.

And they're just flat.

It didn't look like that shield in the early going.

They go right down the field on the opening position for a touchdown.

But after that, both the offense being stagnant,

the defense continuing just to have these breakdowns where guys are wide open

or there's a receiver open in the flat.

And two linebackers are both pointing at him.

But neither is actually going to cover him.

I mean, that game had everything.

It had Jalen Daniels.

It had his mom devouring nachos for an uncomfortably long period.

On the show, Todd Bowles going for a fourth and goal that we can dig into

in some extent here.

But the bugs get their first windshield.

And the Cowboys take one of those losses that just has to confound all those people

who are on the train of this Cowboys team is going to be different.

I mean, you look at the Cowboys.

And I think if it's an offensive game like that, you can just be like,

all right, that happens throughout the course of a 17 game season.

They've been excellent offensively.

The issue is the same issue we've been talking about for two years now.

And we've been talking about since the start of the season is that their defense

stinks.

And I don't know that there's a light at the end of the tunnel.

Now Joey Porter, Jr.

got showed up at the stadium, got ill, goes home.

He doesn't play.

That was another.

I mean, what?

Talk about a strange season.

He's having so far.

But is that going to save them?

I mean, they've had, I was looking at this earlier today.

They've now played 22 games since that Michael Parsons trade before last season.

In that 22 game stretch, they are the worst defense in the NFL.

The worst defense in the NFL.

And I know Parsons is injured right now.

And he wouldn't be helping them in a game like this.

But you know what?

I would feel better if I were a Cowboys fan.

I'm like, hey, we're going to get Michael Parsons back for the second half of the season.

Because they don't have that guy.

Joey Porter, Jr.

is not going to be that guy.

So I'm very curious whether Blaine goes there.

Is Christian Parker feeling the heat?

We'll talk about some other coaching situations today,

where they're already making some changes.

Offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator.

Do they say, let's just give it some time with Joey Porter, Jr.

and the new pieces.

But it just feels like deja vu with this Cowboys team,

where you like the offense.

You like some of the talent.

But the defense is so bad that I don't know that we necessarily need to take them seriously.

I feel like I'm not panicking as much as some people are within the Cowboys organization.

And I guess Cowboys employees in the tunnels that are, you know, screaming at Dak Prescott.

That he was embarrassing and then he turned around.

That was crazy.

It really was because if it was actually an employee,

that I think goes without saying is a fireable offense for that employee who's just frustrated there.

Apparently it was a driver.

So they've got places where like the rich and famous can like have their black cars driven

down to the bowels of the stadium.

Apparently the reporting on the scene was it was a driver saying that to Dak.

But to your point, Billy, that shows how off the rails the entire night was.

As I recounted several unique memorable things from the game.

And I didn't even mention Joey Porter and the garbage can full of his own vomit.

And the driver getting the side eye from Dak after telling him the performance was embarrassing.

Well, I mean, I felt like it was just a really bad series of unfortunate events in the third quarter.

That was the difference in this game, right?

So the Cowboys are leading it half time.

They're up 10-7.

Then you have Bucky Urban run for 72 yards right at the start of the third quarter.

That leads to a touchdown right after that.

Next drive, Bucky Nier's interception, they get the ball back.

Then it test Johnson huge reception, put some again right in range.

Then another Bucky Urban, then a Bucky Urban TD, then a fumble on the next kickoff.

They get the ball back again.

Then it seems like they're going to stop.

Then there's a huge third and 21 conversion that leads to another field goal.

And unfortunately, Dorod Bland was kind of in the center of most of these big play.

So he slipped and fell on the text Johnson 64 yard reception that leads to a touchdown.

He slipped and fell on the third and 21 conversion that leads to a field goal.

And then he has a gift of a pick six that's right in his hands that he ends up dropping

with like four minutes left in the game that would have given them the lead because they were

only, or I potentially tied the game because they were only down eight at the time.

So it was a bad game by him where he slipped and fell a couple times on game changing plays,

dropped an interception.

So I don't think it's full on panic time for them because they still in loss by eight.

They were driving there.

There was another interception that hit the receiver in the face mask and bounced straight

up in the air that effectively ended the game.

So while it wasn't a great performance, they were still in it, granted to an Oh and four

bucks team with a backup quarterback that had no business leading that game for so long.

There's going to be a lot of attention to place on Christian Parker, who is a bright young coach.

She's 34 years old, okay?

And anybody who thought he was going to step in ran a complicated system because he trained

under Vic Fangio and there's a lot of similar principles here.

And it was just going to be snap your fingers and we're going.

I think over looks how complicated schemes can be.

And when you're trying to figure out how the various pieces fit in, when there's

moving pieces seemingly every single week, including, hey, we got Joey Porter Jr.

now. He's going to play more this week.

Oh, wait, he got ill before the game and decided not to take the, you know,

where those flu pills are and try to puke it out and then get back out on the

field. He's going home. He's not going to be able to play like that creates a lot of things.

But it's just it's the fundamental things. I don't, listen, I'm not a scheme expert,

she'll you know more about it than I do.

But I would say when you're seeing guys wide open, when you're seeing multiple defenders again,

pointing at someone who's running wide open, that's not the scheme.

Nobody draws it up like, all right, as long as they don't see the wide open guy, this is perfect.

No, that's somebody didn't do their job or somebody had a misdessignment or they fell down

to Billy's point. So I'm not panicking at all on the Cowboys defense. I'm more so just looking

at that overall team. And again, they just seem to have these types of performances where like,

what happened to the offense to the whole middle of the game? Lucency B. Lam in the second half to

the quad didn't help. George Pickens ends up with like nine catches, but like Jake Ferguson has a ball,

you know, go right off his hands for a big interception late to Anseloni. There's times where, you

know, they ran the ball right down the field on the first drive. And then Javante Williams was

basically a non factor the rest of the way. It's all these different things. I think that combined

and as much as we looked at this as well, it's the O and four Buccaneers coming in and you know,

they're even going to show up. That's the talented football team that did not played well through

the first four weeks. And yes, they had a challenge with the quarterback. But the Dallas was, it was a

disappointing performance all around. I mean, it's a Thursday night national TV game shield. You

could hear a pin drop for a lot of that game. Yeah, I don't think I think you're right about the

expectations for the defense, but also I mean, you're facing a rookie quarterback making his second

start. It's just you can't be given up third and twenty ones after, you know, what you gave up a

couple of weeks ago to the Ravens at the end of that game. And then the final possession, you have a

chance actually a final chance, even after the Ferguson interception play to get a stop and get

the ball back and you're giving you can't stop the run. You know, they're going to run it three times

in a row and you can't stop it. So there's kind of a lot of alarm bells with that defense where maybe

it gets better. But again, I think when you reach this point in the season, five games in, you have

some worries. On the other side of the ball, the Bucks, you know, I thought the story for like three to

half quarters was that Todd Bowles veteran coach respected by, you know, so many people in the NFL,

I was like, Oh, he's got his fastball back because they are making that press got looked bad. They

are pressuring him. Their defensive backs are playing well. I was so ready to make this a Todd

Bowles celebration. And then just one of the most fastening decisions by any coach this season. I

think and I am a pro analytics guy, but analytics doesn't mean you always go. And the fact that

Bowles is always so conservative. He's always wants to kick once to punt. And then the one time

where it's like, no, you actually should kick make this a three possession game. There's only seven

minutes left. The Cowboys aren't going to get the ball back. He decides to go for it. And that

almost lets the Cowboys back in the game. That was tough. Todd Bowles. I like the game plan. I

like the defense, but that decision. I thought was shocking. And let's let's set the scene for this.

For anybody who didn't see it or is trying to remember exactly what what the situation was.

There's about nine minutes left. It's not about 836 of the fourth quarter. They're up 14 points.

It is fourth and goal from the one. It's not the one in line. It's a legit. You got to get some

yardage here. And it's not a sneak. They're far enough away that they're handing the ball off.

On a shantucker was moving the pile all night. But it's the difference between you kick the field

goal there and you go up 17. Or your best case scenario is you're still up three scores going up

by 21 versus if you miss it, it's still a two score game. And sure enough, the Cowboys go right

down the field 99 yards. I did belly. Consult with a couple of the game management people for other

teams because every team what they do is they watch these situations, whatever comes up in games,

then they talk it out. Hey, how would we have handled that? What are charts say? And I'll give

the short version of it, which is the charts would say fourth and goal from the one, especially if

it's a shorter one. This one's kind of in a little bit of a gray area. But it's a clear go

in if it's the second quarter. It's a clear go just in a normal situation in the game. But the

way that the math works on the analytic side and this is where gut and instinct does come into it

is your counting possessions. What are the odds? The Cowboys who at that point had one touchdown

possession in the game were going to come up with three to beat you in the final 836. That's where

and bulls actually addressed it a few minutes ago saying I got greedy and went for it. That was

definitely on me. That's one that I know everyone's like analytics are run a mock and you can certainly

debate, you know, the Cowboys Billy going for two on the ensuing possession. But this was not

the analytics. This if anything is Todd probably going against what the numbers people would say

right. The time left in the game they get stuffed and I don't think he or any of the other teams

that saw that happen last night are going to have that happen for quite a while. Yeah, I'm glad

that he said that because my thinking when it was going on is Todd's feeling himself right now.

Like he's in a position that no one expected him to be in. Right now he's up 14 points against the

Cowboys. He's looking to make this a 21 point lead and really make a statement because I know we've

talked about it. There is some pressure on him. He is listed as one of the guys who's on the hot

seat and they've gotten off to this rough start. He's lost his starting quarterback, you know, for

however many weeks it is that Baker's going to be out. He's now a franchise quarterback with the deal

that they gave him. So it is kind of tough sledding ahead for the buck. So if they have this opportunity

to almost embarrass the Cowboys on national TV on Thursday night football and go up by 21, I think

that's probably along the lines of what he was thinking is let's make a statement here, right? And

then kind of get some of the heat off of me. But then it backfires and it's like, oh, I'm Todd

but we're you thinking exactly there. So it backfired in that sense on him.

I would just and you know, if I were him, if I were some of these other coaches, I said this

about Nick Sireani, just get the person in place that you trust in the booth in your ear and

just follow what they say every time. I think the gut instincts just, it's not going to be a good

process. You're going to get things wrong. These models that they use are so intricate. People

are like, well, they don't take into account the score or the time or the opponent. It's like,

no, they actually take into account all those things. These are these franchises they're

investing a lot of money in their analytics departments. I just think that would be the right way

to go because you're handling a lot of different things and you're right. You might have looked at it

and said, we've been running the football all game long. I want to show my team that I have confidence

in them. Let's go for it. Let's punch them in the mouth. And it's like, it did almost cost you the

game. If that ball doesn't hit off of Jake Ferguson's helmet, who knows that's all we're talking

about today is Todd bowls. What were you thinking in that instant? So if I were a coach, if I were

running an organization, I might have it as a mandate for the coach. Like, listen, we are going

to hire someone who you trust. They're going to have the information. They're going to be working

on this all week long to Tom's point. They're going to be watching all the other situations around

the NFL. This is going to be their job. Just trust them. It's going to lead to us making better

decisions than if you're just like, I'm kind of feeling it here. So I don't know. That's where I stand

with it. If the Bucks had lost that game in that fashion, they would have been 0 and 5 for the season.

They would have lost 12 to their last 14 games dating to last year's five. I don't think Todd

bowls gets fired today anyway. The glazes have owned the team for three decades. They've never

fired a head coach in season. The Bucks still haven't even played a division game, a division in

which, depending how this weekend goes, they could be one game back of the division lead when they

come back from their minibye. But it would have been loud today to lose that game in that fashion.

And you can trace all of it back to a head coaching decision. I don't want to say Todd bowls got

lucky because he called a great game defensively. I thought Zach Robinson, that's by far the best

game that he's called definitely in Tampa, maybe in his entire career going back to Atlanta with a

young quarterback. He played to his strengths. He covered up Jalen Daniels weaknesses, allowed him

to use his legs, got him some easy throws. I was really impressed with Jalen Daniels, but if that

game gets away from you can only imagine the conversations we'd be having on this show. Conversation

similar to the ones that we've had on and off about the Broncos and what's happening to them,

offensively, the season a little bit the Texans and why the number one defense from a year ago

has not been the same. Both those head coaches make a change in the past 48 hours since we were last

on this show. Sean Peyton taken over the offensive play calling starting this week's

shield for the Broncos. Demiko Ryan's taking over the defensive play calling for the Texans.

The Houston situation, there's a tinge of irony because the guy who was the hero of last season

for saving your defense Matt Burke is now the guy that you're benching from play calling to save

this season. The Broncos one, it was the number one question I got asked from people within the

league shield. All off season was how long that can last? When Sean going to take over,

sure enough here we are four weeks into the season. I thought it would go longer. I really did

because of the organizational elements of this, but by the line when you have one of the best play

callers in modern NFL history and he's not calling plays and things aren't going well,

it's the simplest fix is just say, hey, we're going to study the shipper.

The funniest thing about the Peyton situation is we were all kind of making jokes about it.

When it happened all off season this summer, just like, hey, what's the over under for when

Sean Peyton takes back play calling duties because Sean Peyton is great at what he does.

He also has a huge ego and he also wants to win. It's like he's not going to sit back and be

patient if the team's not winning and he doesn't like what he's seeing offensively and being like,

okay, well, we're trying to develop a young coach. I mean, I just don't I don't think that that's how

Sean Peyton is wired here. And so it kind of played out how everyone was predicting in the summer.

You look at their offense. I was just digging into some of the numbers today and a couple of things

that stand out compared to last year. Certainly the offense is performing worse than it did last year.

One, the run game has not been, I think, what they expected or hasn't been as good as last year.

That's supposed to be a great offensive line, but they haven't figured out how to run the ball

efficiently. And then the big thing is throwing the football downfield. You know, I think even

early last year, you would watch Broncos games and Bonyx wasn't always connecting, but it felt like

there were always opportunities that were skimmed up called at the right time where they could hit

on an explosive play down field. And this year, it's been a lot of check downs. It's been a lot of

throws behind the line of scrimmage. It hasn't been enough explosive plays, enough shots down field.

So I think those are things to keep an eye on here with Bonyx. But yeah, not surprising.

Kind of funny. You know, he takes over. Is there about to take on this charger's team that

hasn't won a game? That's smart. That's smart coaching as well, Billy. You know, you know,

you know, I have a great timing. Yeah, I will write timing or like kind of, hey, here's an opportunity

to kind of really make myself look like I saw this problem by coming in and, you know,

praying on a weaker team here in the charger. It is funny that this played out the way that it did,

right? Because in the offseason, we talked about everyone's like kind of surprise that Sean gave

up the play calling duties and you're saying both of you are saying everyone's been joking like,

when's he going to take this back? And sure enough, it happens right when they're going to take on

an ohm for Chargers team when they've had a tough schedule. I mean, we've talked about us a couple

times. They played the chiefs, the jags, the Rams, the 49ers. I mean, they're two and two. They're

not terrible, but they're not what you'd expect. And to your point of the stats, you know, last year

their offense was top 10, top 15 and a lot of these categories and yards for game points for game.

And now, you know, the yards for game, they're 28th and passing yards, they're 20th. So they're

towards the bottom, 29th and rushing yard for games. We've talked about how, you know, JK Dobbins

hasn't lived up to what they thought he was going to be this season so far. So their artistic

appointments, the play calling because of the inexperience of web, I think someone or some of us would

think it's it's going to be on him, but they have been underperforming and they've been playing

against superior opponents so far. So this Chargers game seems like a get right game for them and

they'll kind of figure things out and then it'll look like, Oh, look, Sean made the right

decision when really timing wise, he made the most opportune decision, I think here potentially.

By the way, Dmitriko Ryan's takes over defensive play calling against the Titans. That's another

Owen 14. That one to me in fairness to everybody involved. It's one of those chains for the sake of

change. And I get it. You're Owen four. What buttons can you push in Houston? You're not going to

fire the offensive coordinate and Nick Kayleigh because the offense is pretty good. You're not going to

bench C. J. Stroud because Stroud's been playing pretty good. Dmitriko Ryan's is not going to fire

himself. He's not going to fire Matt Berk. There's a really smart coach. So all right, what chains can we

make? Well, how do we switch this up? Take over the play calling. You know, if they're listen, if they

stop one of those two minute drives, they'll lead three times and are over three on stopping two

minute drives. Maybe we're not in this spot for Houston, but you know, both these teams they're

looking for a spark. It's getting late really early in some places, including for the chargers,

including for teams like the Broncos that think that they should be better, the Texans that certainly

think they should be better with the Bucks. Who knows, you know, what they might do on the minibye,

but there would have been a lot of pressure on for Todd, assuming that he was there to what can I

change up? We're going to get Baker back at some point, but how are we going to navigate this?

A lot of different, you know, moving parts, but we are getting to that portion of the season, man.

The trade deadline is one month from tomorrow, as we record this. So this is where teams are

figuring out, okay, are we the ascending team that's going to buy or we the descending team that's

going to sell? Are we one of those teams that's right in the middle where we kind of just got

to decide for ourselves because we don't know. Are we good enough to one move is even going to make

a difference? Are we bad enough that we should just go, you know what? Let's trade a guy,

we can get a pick and turn the attention in the next season. That's why these things happen at

this time of year. That's sometimes why coaches and coordinators. We haven't had a firing yet,

but we've essentially had a demotion for a couple of guys this week. It's all part of figuring out

what is your team? Can we fix it internally? If not, we either try to fix it with some external moves

or we say it's not fixable right now. Let's make sure that we're making moves that are going to

help us fix this thing in the big picture as we go into 2027 and beyond. We got some really

big games coming up this weekend. We got our main characters for week five Sunday coming up right

after this week five Sunday right around the corner some massive games division games and we've

got our main characters. The guys, the people, the players, the coaches, everyone involved. I think

Billy picked the Raiders fans last week. We've got a loose definition of this and that was not your

best, Billy. What do you mean? No, that's no, that hold on a second. That was an important thing.

We were kind of talking about the fan base and who had had home field advantage and then what

ended up happening was kind of what we discussed, which was I was consulting second hands, ticket

sale markets and what area codes they were selling tickets to when we thought that the Raiders

were going to have a substantial fan base advantage because a lot of it was local,

Las Vegas, you know, zip codes and such. But those ended up being just chiefs fans that lived in

the area apparently because it was definitely not a favorable crowd for the Raiders there. And I

would say if you see the outcome, some might argue that the fans did play their part in the outcome

of that game. So I will not take the L on that one. My main characters now, Owen three. It was not

bad for CJ Stroud last week as it had been the previous couple of weeks for for Aaron Glenn

among others. This is one my main character for week five. It's somebody I think that

everybody's going to sit down very early on Sunday morning to watch this game. We'll go into

a thinking it doesn't matter what he does. The Eagles have no chance against the Jaguars in London.

They are depending where you look seven and a half to eight point underdogs, which

feel you might know when is the last time the Eagles were seven and a half or eight point underdogs

in any game anywhere in the world. It's the biggest underdog line for them since Nick Sireoni

took over his head coach and Jalen Hertz took over his court. There hasn't been a game like this

to answer your question. So my main character is Jalen Hertz. And here's why. Everything around him

right now, especially offensively, is basically on fire. He's going to go into London without his

top two running backs, including Sequan Barkley. Thanks big bees. It's also out. It seems like no

Devante Smith. There's no David on TV on Wicks. You're right tackle retired right before the game

last week. You just traded your two time Pro Bowl Center who wasn't playing very well at guard.

But you got all these moving parts in front of you. The only thing that is like steady in all this,

now it's got her. It's been sideline as well. Like they're everything has been a mess right now.

The one guy who we know is going to be out there is Jalen Hertz. And Jalen Hertz, we talked about

this shield on the pod the other day, has not played bad under the circumstances with all these

things happening. All the injuries, new scheme that's not really on paper, a fit for him. He's played

okay football seven touchdown passes three interceptions has not been as much of a threat running

the football. He's only got one rushing touchdown this season. But this is a game where if they're

going to have a chance against the Jaguars team that people are essentially in 19 now is maybe the

AFC favorites. This has to just be a total Jalen Hertz bleep you game. It has to be him not playing

outside the system, not playing hero ball, but just going I need to come out and play the best game

of my entire life. Everyone is writing off the Eagles. I think even more than they normally do in

Philadelphia after a loss because of all these things that are happening and are they going to tank?

I mean, I got people calling me going, are they really trading in safe one? And I'm like, what

what corner of the Internet are you in? No, not right now, but there's certainly a lot of questions

about exactly what the future holds here in the near term for the Philadelphia Eagles.

If Jalen Hertz can come out and set a huge audience for those early morning Sunday games, but if

you can come out before a bunch of people and play well against the Jaguars and somehow find a way

to get a win. A, we're right back to the Eagles of the favorite in the NFC's. B,

maybe calm some of these things down. We're okay. Now we can get back safe one. We can get back

Devonte. We can get a little bit healthier. We can figure out the offensive line that any time

you're changing scheme, there's going to be guys who aren't who aren't in the right place.

Like there's going to be some guys that's like, hey, he was a great fit for the old scheme.

Not for what we're doing now. In other words, the only hope shield that the Eagles have here.

Is Jalen Hertz has to take over? Yes, it would help us to defense show it up. That would also be great

and keep this a close game. But Jalen Hertz has to have a really memorable performance

on an international stage. And I'm going to be watching him to see a guy who is that much of a

competitor. We all know that about Jalen. How hard he works, how much he cares. Let's see

when he comes with on Sunday. It's, yeah. So whatever it takes game, it doesn't matter what the

passing numbers are, what the rushing numbers are. It's like, you have to be the reason why your

team is going to win this game or keep it competitive. And if you zoom out, I think that's been the

conversation around this organization for four or five years now. They've gotten to the playoffs,

five years in a row. They've gotten to the Super Bowl twice. They've won a Super Bowl.

Yet there's always this conversation. How much of it is because of Jalen Hertz?

How much of it is because of everything else, even with Nick Saryani. It's the same question.

Is he, are we sure he's a good coach or is it a great situation compared to what other coaches

are in? And you know, part of those conversations have absolutely been fair. They've had a loaded

roster. They have a great GM. They've had a great defensive coordinator in Vic Fange. There's been a

lot of pieces in place that puts the quarterback in the coach in a good situation. And now everything's

flipped. That's the story of the first four weeks here. It's not a great situation. Time just went

over. I mean, they could be down five or six starters offensively in this game after an offseason

in which you traded AJ Brown after an offseason in which you got rid of your offensive line coach

who had been a stalwart for the organization. So it's a much different situation for both the coach

and the quarterback. And we have to see, are they up for it? Or is this thing going to go south?

Because I don't know. The people who are calling you about say, Juan Barkley, I would be like, well,

wait a couple of weeks. Let's see. I mean, I think there's a lot of stuff in play for this organization

where things go south for the next two, three, four weeks. They actually could be looking to move on

from a lot of these veteran players and say, hey, let's reset this thing and look ahead or they

could come out in surprise. Like we saw the Bucks do on Thursday night, big underdogs, island game,

you win that game. Now all of a sudden, it's hey, they're first place potentially in the division

and they're going to be fine. The Eagles fans want the Eagles and Nick Sireani to fail. Like from a far,

I'm just kind of like, I watch it and it's like they want, they've wanted to fire him for a couple

years, but they haven't gotten the ample reason to fire him. It seemed like the year that they're going

to, then they go on a run, they make the playoffs and they, well, we can't do it now. I mean,

they've lost back to back games. The one against the Rams, they choked away, which was bad. And then,

you know, you had the game against the Bears, which was embarrassing, but there's still only a game out

in their division. And it's, it's a very win-able division. There's no need. I don't think to like

sound all of the alarms. You mentioned they're dealing with injuries. They've traded someone.

Someone abruptly retired in the middle of the season. So things aren't going well, but, you know,

they're still plenty of time to turn us around. You want to know what Nick Sireani's message was,

the guy is knowing that they're down to linemen this week. You know what he told us? He said,

lock arms and let's go. So Nick Sireani's not backing down. He's telling us. That's what we say before

every podcast. Yeah, I will think that's the answer. It's hard for us to lock arms just because we're

in different locations. We could like digitally like back in the co-edera like digital hugs and

locking arms. And such like we could do that if you wanted to. But guys, I'll remind you,

the Eagles are 2 and 0 in international games. Okay. And I know that this is something you just

made fun of me for, but I was looking up and they're expecting this to be a very favorable Eagles

crowd in London, which is a disgrace if you're Jacksonville. I mean, Jacksonville could not flirt with

a city more than they flirt with London than they do. And that's basically their second home. And

they still can't get like a hometown advantage in these games in London. You're going to have more

Eagles fans traveling to cheer on the Eagles than your Jaguars fans at this point. Well,

are you aware of the travel situation here not to go back to week one in Tom's Australia trip?

But the Eagles are flying on Friday arriving in London Thursday night. They left Thursday night

so they'll get there on Friday. Yeah, it's time changing all of them. It's a very short,

it's a short trip compared to the Jaguars and I think compared to some other teams. So it's not

the same as Australia, but it's a little bit different. I think there's some of that element of,

hey, let's make sure we come back right after the game and we're not jet lagged. Well, we come back

and all that. So I don't know something else to maybe these travel things have become like the

biggest story in the NFL. When is your flight leaving has become the biggest story with every

international game in the NFL this season? Let's we forget too, as I was recounting all the injuries.

Hollywood Brown also has been hurt for two weeks and still not practicing. So basically your top

through receivers, your top two running backs. Dallas got it's been practicing on a limited

basis, but he hasn't been playing recently. And then no lane Johnson obviously no cam jurgans,

no land in Dickerson. It's a lot. The injuries are a real a real part of the game. I know they're never

an excuse. But when you look at how they pile up for certain teams on one side of the ball or the

other, the Eagles are in for it. Let's see what Jalen Hertz has. Sheel, your main character Sunday

week fast. I am going to Seattle 49ers, Seahawks two of the best teams in the NFL. And I'm going with

Kyle Shanahan. I know we tell everybody talks about Kyle Shanahan a lot. He's been in our life

for a very long time. If you've been following the NFL last year, they got a week 18 game against the

Seahawks and then they have a playoff game against the Seahawks. And in those two games, they get

outscored 54 to 9 in those two games. Now they had injuries. They were banged up. The Seahawks

are a great team. We know all of that. But if you look at it just offensively for the 49ers,

those are like two of the worst games under Kyle Shanahan over the last five years. I mean, it was

like nothing we're used to seeing with the 49ers. And I know we had this conversation a couple

weeks ago where I was posing the question, if you just have Shanahan and Purdy, can you overcome

almost any other thing on offense with the way the quarterbacks playing and the way the coach is

coaching right now? That wasn't the case in those two games. But now they get another chance. You

get George Kittle, who's healthy. You've had the best offense in the NFL over the first four

weeks here. Mike McDonald gets a lot of praise as the best defensive coach in the NFL. I think this

is a nice sort of, I don't know if it's a measuring stick game or a pride game or whatever

for Kyle Shanahan. But it's like, no, I can still go up against that guy and I didn't have all my

guys last year. But this is going to be a different situation. And can you imagine if they go

five in oh with wins over the Rams, wins over the 49ers, wins over the Broncos. And is this the year

where we've waited so long, Shanahan has just been knocking, knocking at the door. He can't

just knock it down and say, I've got the Super Bowl. What if this year with the Rams coming in

with all this hype with the Seahawks as defending champs? What if this ends up being the 49ers year?

I think that's potentially what we're talking about if they beat the Seahawks in Seattle and go

five in oh this season. Is this their first actual, you think, measuring stick game for both of

these teams? Because like you look at the schedule. So the Seahawks, they play the Patriots and we've

seen how like offensively struggling the Patriots were early in the season. So they got the Patriots

early. That was a win we thought, oh, this is a Super Bowl matchup. It ended up being like not the

most exciting game. And that's when they were struggling. Then you had the Cardinals, which we

thought, oh, the Cardinals are a good team after week one. And we realized like, oh, there's still kind

of the Cardinals. The commanders game, they lose the commanders game, but they outs, they got more

yards outgain them for 37 to 258. So like that was a pretty one sided affair that ended up with the

score being closer and they lose the game 33 31 that they should have won that game. And then the

chargers have been a struggling team. They win that game. And then on the flip side 49ers beat the

Rams, but there was the travel stuff there. I think we all still think that the Rams were a good

team. Then they played the dolphins Cardinals and the Broncos who just made a change at play calling.

So not that they've had easy schedules. They've been playing playoff teams, both of them, right?

But this is one where you'll see a team that's three and one against a team that's four and no,

where you're really going to see a good divisional game to kind of figure out where each team is

against quality opponent, right? The story of the 49ers season to me to this point.

And yes, the quality of the opponent is definitely always part of it. That's the good Rams team

and the adjustments Kyle made in the second half to me. That's what turned it more than the

the travel or how are the Rams feeling. It was just the things that he does and the way that he

creates mismatches is better than just about anybody in the entire league. They have injuries every year.

Like we talk about that storyline all the time and you can go right down the offense with all the

skill guys, pierce all being out for the season. Then the rookie gets hurt, scribbling in the opening

game. Tonjes is out for the season. All those things are true. What he has though are the Kyle

guys are healthy. It's Debo, Kittle, both guys who have turned back the clock at least in the early

portion of the season. It's Christian McCaffrey and it's Brock Perty. I'm a believer if Kyle has

those four guys, he can figure out the rest. Yes, it's more complicated when you don't have all

those ancillary pieces. Use check is also a Kyle guy. He's banged up. My miss. It sounds like a

little bit of time here, but those core four dudes on offense. That's what it all runs through.

That's where the entire foundation of that offense comes from. Well, those guys stay healthy for

17 games. History would tell you probably not. I mean, they've all had various injuries

through the years that have sideline them. Not as much Debo. Debo has been more just kind of like

the play going up and down and he's probably a little heavier in his later years than the 49ers

and got banged around a little bit, but he looks great. Kittle looks great. McCaffrey's been okay

to this point, but like you know the big McCaffrey games are coming. Then Perty's playing an MVP

level. I think that the 49ers are a dangerous team. You know how good they're going to be

defensively. You also have face and team that's got some familiarity this week, not just because

Mike McDonald has gone against Kyle Shanahan a number of times now, but also C.O.X. offense

coordinator Brian Flurry trained under Kyle Shanahan. So you've got to think Kyle is huddling with

Raheem and going through all the things he thinks and all the tells he might be finding on tape.

I think that's a really interesting subplot to this game. Kyle's one of the best coaches in the NFL.

We all know the one thing that he doesn't have right now. They're 4-0 and they're playing great

and it's not a fluke. Let's see what they do with a really challenging game this week. Billy,

your main character, week five Sunday in the NFL. My week five main character is Lions defensive

coordinator, Calvin Shepherd. Now this isn't the sexiest game by any means. It's the Lions and

the Cardinals. The Lions are favored by five and a half points. I would take whatever the

overs are on everything on yards, on points, on everything because this seems like a game where

the Cardinals are going to kind of put up some big numbers against the defense. But the reason he's

a main character is because he caught a couple people by surprise this week in the midweek press conference

is where they were asking decent questions. The Lions defense has been very disappointing to say

the least. They rank at the bottom of the league and almost everything defensively except

yards rushed against. They're like middle-up back there. But yards in the air, they're

less than league points for game yards again. All of that there at the bottom. So they were asking

him schematically. These are the reporters. They were asking him about the risk reward when it comes

to blitzing and what they can do schematically to kind of change things and make things more effective

against them. And he just very bluntly said, those were the right calls. And then he said that two or

three more times those were the right calls. And then obviously that beg to follow up, which was

well Bryce went eight for nine against the blitz. Like is there a disconnect between the calls

and the execution? Like what's going on there to which he said those are private conversations that

we have in house. But those were the right calls. So that was one exchange, which was not the best

where he's saying I'm making all the right calls. It's just not going the right way. So they ask

him more questions about if he still believes in the plan that they're doing because clearly things

are not working defensively here. And then he went on to tell us that he did not care about the

perception of his defense that the criticism is poison. But also the praise is the big poison

and that it all comes in waves of poison. So both criticism is poison, praise is poison. And these

are just waves going back and forth of poison. And then he made sure to say like there's three phases

to this team and it's disrespectful. The idea that other phases of these three units offense

defense, especially teams are carrying him that they're doing their one third. So

you know, Calvin Shempert hasn't exactly taken much accountability for the struggles of his

defense thus far. And with the trend that's gone on this week, he's lucky that Dan Campbell's

an offensive guy because he can't take over theoretically the play calling of the defense here. So

he's good on that front. But he's got to have a get back game at some point. The Cardinals might be

that team, but kind of wild week of press conferences and back and forth with the media for him.

I think everybody's feeling the prime. That's the kind of the theme of this podcast. Isn't it that

all these teams and coaches are this is when you start feeling the pressure. You get two weeks in.

Oh, it's early three weeks in. Listen, we won again. There's a long way to go. We're getting guys

back healthy. Now it feels like this four or five six. Once you get to this portion of the season,

people are starting to feel the heat. And they've got the worst defense in the NFL statistically.

I could give you 400 more statistics. It doesn't matter. They're 31st or 32nd. Like Billy said,

in pretty much every single category. And I watched this line's team and think, are they some

version of last year's Bengals or last year's Calbos where they're going to be great for fantasy.

The offense is going to be really good. But guess what? The defense is just so bad that we don't

need to take them seriously. And they're not going to win the 11 12 games, which I thought was in play

at the start of the season. So I think Shepherd's feeling the heat. It's not just the coaching. You know,

it's I always go back and forth with this because it's like, all right, they're not the most talented

defense. They have injuries. At the same time with all these guys, the coach's job is to figure it

out when the situation is less than ideal. That's what the money is for as the, you know, the old

Don Draper quote. It's like, that's why you're getting paid because you're not going to have the best

players every single week. And you're not seeing that with the Lions right now. So Campbell's made

changes before is definitely on my radar. You're right. He can't take over play calling duties. But

last year, he makes the change at offensive coordinator. If this thing starts to get even worse,

you know, if they were to lose a game against the Cardinals and get lit up for 400 yards and

over 30 points, I don't know that they're just going to stay the course and stick with it. So

this is another one of those situations, Tom, that I think we at least, you know, keep an eye on

when it comes to the coordinator stuff. The Lions have a buy after this week's game too. And usually

the buy is that time like you're going to make a really big change. That's when you do it. Dan

Campbell loves Kelvin Shepherd. He believes in him as a young coach. You remember the stuff from

Hardnox years ago when he was, Kelvin was telling the story about he said, I cut off my dreads and

Dan said, no, like that's who you are. There's a culture and Detroit of the former players.

And the way that they interact with players can be a little different. And when you're listening

to those Calvin Shepherd quotes, especially the like those were the right calls. I don't know that

a coordinator who didn't play could say that stuff and he would hit quite right. And clearly,

with a lot of people, it didn't hit quite right from Calvin Shepherd either. But like his message is

not to us. It's not to the media. He's messaging his players. And if that's what he is telling them

is like, these are the correct calls. We have to execute. I do think that it lands a little bit

differently. But the results are the results. It doesn't sound like Brian Branch will be back this week.

That's going to make a huge difference. It makes sense. He just started practicing. They got the

buys. They can buy him an extra couple of weeks. When he comes back, I do think that that makes an

impact. Maybe there's some things out there in the trademark at the bread. Holmes potentially can

get done to shore up the secondary. But that's been the biggest weakness when your

friends get an after people and you're not doing anything on the back end to support them.

Everybody involved gets frustrated. They've been really good. They really have on offense this

season. Drew Petson, another new offensive coordinator there. He's done a good job. The defense

is not good enough. The expectations are raised and Detroit is such a degree. The Dan Campbell

is willing to make those tough decisions to make sure that he is meeting them. So you go all the

way back to his first year. He pulled play calling duties from Anthony Lynn and took him over

himself. And that's when Ben Johnson kind of started sliding to the mix. Last year it was with John

Morton before Dan took over. You're right. He's not going to take over the defensive play calling

duties. But I could see him trying to punch some different buttons out in necessity. It's not

because Kevin Shepherd isn't a good coach or won't be a good coach in the future. But everything

they're doing right now, not good enough on defense. We'll see exactly what direction that goes

after this week's game. We say we got some picks to make. Specifically,

she'll has some picks to make. I need an update. I don't even know how we're doing after

last week. Let's do it right after this. Some sad news on this Friday as well. One of the

absolute legends, one of the most recognizable figures in NFL history. Mike did pass it away

at the age of 86. This one, she, especially as a child of the 80s, hits me in a certain type of

way because there's very few truly larger than life figures in the modern NFL. Like even the best

coaches are not the ones who are going to be able to sell you different things and have a media

career and be paraded on Saturday night live. Dithka was a Hall of Fame tight end first and foremost

and still have records on the books and then became one of the most successful coaches of his

era as well. You think of the iconography with it, you know, the Ricky Williams photo and the

wedding dress. He was associated with a lot of things during his career, but he was always on a

unapologetically Mike did. There's not another iron mic out there. There just a type going to be

since that, well, okay. And not another, not another Mike did. Type of figure. I mean, if you're

talking about the still people who dress up as Mike Dica, what are their coach, what are their

player? 40 years later, people going to games dressed as you. Like that's just, it's like, it's a

John Madden arguably John Groot and just because he did a million hooters and Corona ads, but like

there's very few guys who are kind of on that level. Dithka was in a class of his own,

yeah, it's funny. You mentioned Saturday night live. It's like you're, you know, I think if you're

of a certain age, that's where your mind goes instantly and then I'm thinking of the best and I'm

thinking of fans dressing up as him. Like you said, unbelievable run as a player and then that run

with the Bears man, you know, the Bears have had a lot of bad seasons since we've all been alive.

We're certainly since we've been working in football. They had an 11 year run with him where they

go 106 and 62 when, when over 63% of their games, of course, with the 85 bears, they get

referenced anytime you talk about a great defense. The 85 bears come up. They win the Super Bowl

that season as well. So yes, icon legend, just a guy who is a part of the culture of more so

than just a football coach. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, I mean, I think that's the thing for

like a younger generation too, right? Is that he crossed over into pop culture. Like you mentioned

Saturday and live, all the costumes everybody knows, you know, like the sweater, the bears, the

mustache, but you know, for like a younger group, he's in a movie with Will Ferrell kicking and

screaming where he's kind of, you know, he's playing the coach will for us a soccer coach and he's,

you know, the neighbor and he was able to kind of, he has the reputation of being a hard ass as a

coach and on the field, but then is able to kind of laugh at himself and play lighter versions of

himself or even parody himself even in movies like that and hip hop culture. So yeah, definitely a

sad day for everyone who, you know, doesn't just know him from the football fields.

And by the way, if you've never seen, if all you remember is Mike Dick in the sweaters and with the

big aviator sunglasses and being the coach, go back and find Mike Ditt highlights from his playing

career. Brock Bowers two years ago set the single season rookie tight end record for receiving yards.

He broke Ditt his record, which was a thousand seventy six yards 12 touchdowns at tight end

in 1961. Before the rest of the league was throwing the ball. That's how dominant Mike Ditt

was as a player, Parley, that same, you know, the mentality and that presence and to be in one of

the great coaches of his era. So rest in peace, Mike Ditt, a guy that I think all of us, you know,

has fond memories of over the years. Shio, we got rear 107 picks. What do we got?

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every week this season. All right. So we got back in the win column.

Last week three and two. That's three weeks where we've had a winning record. All right.

And one awful week that leaves us at nine and eleven. We're one game out of first place.

One bad week. Don't worry. Five in a week has come. I don't know.

This week. Go ahead, Billy. No, Billy. I try to put a positive spin on it. But go ahead.

We're one game out of first place, but we're also going one game out of last place because

everyone's either 10 and 10 9 and 11 or there's one team where he was eight and 12. It's very

bunched up right now. The field is wide open. I will give you that. This is where you need

a history lesson. You know, Tom just gave us the history lessons on didca last year.

Down and out. My records terrible. It's week 12, the week 10 people are making fun of me.

And then I just came back and kept pounding. And then we finished the season 56 and 51.

One game out of first place. Wow. So there you go. We're not going to think ourselves

that same hole this year, but we're just staying in it that we make our run around Thanksgiving.

It's just like the NFL. You know, we don't play our guys in the preseason.

So we get off to a little bit of a start. You're warming up. Yeah, we're figuring out

a personal goal. These are the right goals. That's what you're saying. She'll

these are the right calls. You know, we didn't execute, but these are the right calls.

All right, here we go. First pick. We're going to London and we're taking the Jaguars minus seven

and a half against the Eagles. Tom gave us all the injury news with the Eagles. I mean,

they're offensive liners and shambles. They don't have people to throw the football too.

If Jalen Hertz put the team on his back, or if the defense finally gets it going,

so be it. They can keep this game close. But I think the Jaguars have looked like one of the best

teams in the NFL for like a year and a quarter now. I think it could get ugly there in that football

game. Jaguars minus seven and a half. The first pick. All right, second pick here. We go to New England.

Everybody's so quick to say the Patriots have figured it out. And last week, all right,

now they're good. I'm not so sure about that. I like this Raiders team. We're taking the Raiders

plus three and a half at New England. I think these are pretty evenly matched teams right now.

And the Patriots have injuries in the secondary. I think the Raiders are going to figure out ways

to move the football. I'm trusting you Clint Kubiak. I'm trusting you Kirk Cousins. I'm trusting

you defense that is overachieved so far this season. I could see Max Crosby then going on Red Zone

Max Crosby strip sack on Drake May. Big turnover laid in the game Raiders. Maybe pull up the

upset, but at least keep it within three and a half. How are we feeling so far? Jaguars and Raiders.

Any thoughts from you guys? Bold pick on Raiders. Yeah. I'll give you that. But Kirk Cousins

playing at a high level. Yeah. It seems like I mean, the hurricane stuff that's not going to impact

any of the weather. We're not going to get rain in Foxboro because that would always worry me

is Kirk playing a bad weather game outside. As long as we avoid that, he's playing really well right now.

You know, I always forget to look at the weather stuff. Probably not great.

Yeah. I think it's probably should start looking at those. But you know what?

Next week, we'll start looking at the weather and we'll also get right where the games are being

placed. Keep going. All five. I'll find out what we got. You helped me out. Okay. Third pick.

We're going to Tennessee. The Houston Texans minus seven and a half at the Titans. This is a

get right spot for the Texans. Demiko Ryan's knows he's still in. He's looking at that offense with

cam board and Brian Debal and saying they can't do anything. I'm taking over play calling duties.

We're going to get after them the Titans scored 13 points in two games against Houston.

Last year, I know it's a different Texans defense. I still think it's a talented Texans defense.

They played some tough quarterbacks so far this season. I think they're going to force some turnovers.

They're going to create some pressure and CJ Stroud, Nico Collins. If those two guys are healthy

on offense, I think they can score enough. I think we're seeing a blowout in Tennessee.

The Texans get right against the Titans. That's pick number three. And then finally, the T's. This

is the fourth pick. A reminder, you pick two games. You can move the line six points either way.

We are going to Pittsburgh and we're taking the Colts plus eight and a half against the

Steelers. So the line is two and a half. We're bumping that up to eight and a half. Are the Steelers

really going to score enough to cover eight and a half points against the Indianapolis Colts? I

sure hope not. Maybe they will, but I sure hope not because I'm picking the Colts plus eight and a half

as one side of my T's. And then a really fun game that I can't wait for us. We didn't talk about it

in the preview, but man, our first show next week, we're going to be talking about Bill's Rams,

headliner on Monday night. We're teasing the bills up to nine and a half plus nine and a half.

There are three and a half point underdogs. We're moving that to nine and a half. If I get Josh

Allen plus nine and a half, I'm going to take it. If they get blown out, so be it, but those are the

two picks there for the T's. I got to get both of them right. Colts plus eight and a half

against the Steelers, bills plus nine and a half against the Rams. Plus three and a half is a

surprising line to me. You get three points at home, but there's still a half point up. I know

what the bills unit has been as good the last two weeks, but in the Rams, but for a furious rally,

having exactly been playing at their top of their game, either. Bill's mafia always travels well.

I imagine I have a decent contingent there. That's a surprising, a surprising line, but T's

and it forward to nine and a half. Yeah. It's an interesting call. By the way, 48% chance of rain

on Sunday and five. You really should have checked this. All right. Problematic. Listen. Yeah.

She'll glass half full. 52% chance. It won't rain. 52% chance. It won't rain. Drake may fumbles

the ball when there's blood on it. What's he going to do when there's rain on it? And guess what?

Clint Kubia, you know, a little screen to Brock Bowers. Never heard. Those are throws the

Kirk cousins can make. We're just going to pepper screens to Brock Bowers. Michael Mayor,

all game long. Still like it. This just increases the chances of Max Trust be forcing.

Go. So there you go. All right. Those are the picks. Here we go. Reviewing them real quick.

We've got the Jaguars minus seven and a half against the Eagles and London. We've got the Raiders

plus three and a half at New England. We've got the Texans minus seven and a half at Tennessee.

We are teasing the Colts up to plus eight and a half against the Steelers combined with the Rams.

I'm sorry. The bills plus nine and a half at the Rams. And then we will give you our last pick

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rewarding season. Fandall, play your game. Odds subject to change. All right. Big weekend

of football for everybody. Enjoy watching those games. We are back Monday or Tuesday morning

when the pod posts. I'm always a little bit sketchy on exactly how that works out. We'll be back

with you three more shows next week. Thank you to our Juno Chris, the entire team behind

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