How to Go from AI Power User to AI Leader

2026-10-12 14:59:24 • 39:29

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Every group of professionals organized in any way you can imagine at this point

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has some subset of people that have become the power AI users.

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These are the folks who try every new model and every new product.

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The report back on what works and what others should do,

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and in many cases that role has been formalized into some sort of internal ambassadors or champions

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program. In fact, across all of my experience with enterprises, the single highest ROI transformation

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activity that I have seen is when companies structure this sort of internal champions program.

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Well, today's episode is all about what that actually means.

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So this was recorded last week. It's another one of our operators cut practical episodes,

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and I hope you enjoy it. All right, new far welcome back to another operators cut. How are you?

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I'm good. Thanks for having me. Excited about this one very much.

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Yeah, maybe just to make a bold claim right up front.

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You and I have both individually and together spent a lot of time

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interacting with enterprises and companies of all shapes and sizes who are trying to get better at AI.

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And as part of that, we have tried and they have tried a huge array of different strategies

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for improving how they use AI within specific teams or across the board.

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And what we're going to talk about today is one of the only consistently always successful ways

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to make the general experience that people have with AI inside a company or inside a team

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better. Right. It just it never fails is the short answer. This is just such a critical component

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of what people do. So I'm really excited to dig into it. Introduce us to what you're doing,

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and then I think we'll have a lot to talk about today. Perfect. Yes, so I agree. We're now presenting

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the one of the highest ROI activities that you can take in a company in order to be successful with

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AI and that is to establish a proper network of AI champions. And what I want to do with the

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session today is the following because we all use AI every day. And I'm sure that everybody has

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seen the same phenomena where someone on the team finds a great way to do something. Often those

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are the best users out there. They show two people and then it never turns into something the whole

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team uses. And part of what this episode is trying to do is to help resolve the problem, to

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help define the person. It might be you. It might be others in your company. Their job is to fix

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that the person that helps spread the AI. And I think that many companies have been establishing the

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AI champions for a while now with very degrees of success, but always in my opinion with a positive

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outlook and outcome overall. My goal is to go over three things to help make it even better.

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First of all, what the role really is and how to define it. And maybe as a byproduct to also help

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the question that maybe someone listening to this has with herself of whether they're already

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the underdefined AI champion in their environment or maybe they should opt to become one.

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I also want to explain how I believe we should establish a proper network of internal champions.

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And lastly, I want to discuss what the best AI champions in a given company, what they need to do.

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And before we dive in, I want to add three things, I think to this. First, I know you're about to give

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us your definition of an AI champion, but just on a naming convention, I want to point out that

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across all these different teams that we've worked with, you've worked with, I've worked with,

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the name is different for this. Sometimes it's evangelist, sometimes it's leaders,

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sometimes it's adoption support. Champions is the one I think we've heard the most often,

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some variation on champions. So that's what we're referring to. You might have heard it differently

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or have it named differently in your team. The second thing is I think that for those of you who

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are not inside a big enterprise and are wondering, is this worth continuing to invest my time in for

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the rest of this episode? I would make a fairly strong argument that once you get past a basic

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or intermediate level, once you're in that advanced AI category, you are going to be thrusted to

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this role of champion in some way, shape or form. It's going to be for your friends and family

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at the very least, but it also is likely if you are working with any number of people on a team,

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this role in happening the champions role, it's a different muscle than just using AI, but communicating

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how to use it well and thinking in terms where you can share what you're doing, process terms

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basically rather than just implementation, I guess. And third thing, because NewFar wouldn't

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shout this out, I don't think that there are very many people who have done more versions of this

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with more different companies than NewFar. So this comes out of a lot of experience and not just

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hacking at home experience, but direct in person, dozens and dozens of companies in different contexts

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in which this type of work has been done. Thank you. Okay, I now have close to bear, and that is

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first define what it really is. As Netanyl said, in many cases, you already know this person,

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that's the person that you pick up the phone to whenever you want to know how to get something

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with AI done, or there is something new that is now accessible and you want to understand how to

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work with that. And my definition is that the AI champion is the person that in the team or in

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the environment that is responsible for moving AI adoption and value forward. Often I call them

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peer plus one because they sit within the team. They do the team's work, but they're a step ahead

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in AI because they already are the person that are most psyched and able in AI or they were

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appointed to this all. So it doesn't matter whether this appointment was done officially or that's

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who you are the factor. I think that the AI champions are people who show what AI can do on the work

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that the peers actually do. Not theoretical, but use cases from the day to day of their environment.

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They also connect with other champions and in many cases with the central AI teams or other

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professionals in order to build and use the relevant things the company offer. And they also

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move people without necessarily having authority on them forward with their adoption. And before we

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go to the actual job, the role does look quite different in different companies. So I wanted to give

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you a spectrum. The spectrum is, as Natalia said, based on a lot of experience across multiple companies.

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On the one hand, we have what sometimes companies will refer to as ambassadors. These are the best AI

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users. Their role is primarily to drive AI adoption, to showcase the use case. They will bring their

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real examples and they will do part of the work as well as training their peers officially or unofficial

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in that case, by the way. And they also note how to voice what the team needs, the tools and the

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internal bills that will help the team move forward with the adoption. At the complete other end of

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the spectrum, we have what we can now call them an internal FDs. FDs stands for for deployed

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engineers. And many of you have probably been hearing this terminology for many years. So it's a

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bit loaded with many different interpretations because they've been here around for a while. But now

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many of them are very much focusing on AI. So I'm going to define it quite simply in our context as a

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professional builder who sits inside a business team and builds what the team needs. It can be all the

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way from idea to production, including as we will discuss in the second part, the planning,

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the value realization, some of them come from software and AI background, some of them. And I've

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seen many of those were subject matter experts who made the real career pivot into building for their

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teams with the many amazing tools that now many people can build with in between where many

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companies typically lend the ambassador builder. So they also build for themselves and for their

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immediate team, they typically will have a well-defined scope of what they can on canador. They

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should have one and beyond that scope, they will be almost like a product manager. They will gather

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the requirements, they will bring them to the relevant either vendors or internal teams that can

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help them build properly what they want. So with the definition out of the way, let's talk about

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the howtos and the howtos for AI champions. The comprise of two parts. We have part one which is

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the company side, how you build a champion network stage by stage. And in part two is the champion side.

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And as we said, whether you're official or unofficial champion, what you need to know and how to do

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the job well. And I think that the second part, especially, will be applicable to all of you

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super users who just want to also progress some of what they do and their thinking. So of course,

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if you are a sponsor, the very first part is the playbook for you, starting with the company side.

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And I think that whenever a company is talking about AI champions, they never just ask a single

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question. They basically ask four questions. Many of them are not necessarily just related to

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champions. It's just that when you start thinking about how can I create an internal movement

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towards a better adoption, often these questions come to play. So the first question they often ask

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is who gets to build. And that's basically the democratization question, who uses what others are

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building and who's the one that is building for others and themselves. The second question is

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what do we expect from everyone else because champions have a job. And so does everybody around them

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all the other users. So it creates a lot of questions around expectations from regular users versus

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champions. They also often ask how does AI spread from the field, meaning how people in the

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ground pick up in a way that works, whatever was built for that. And lastly, how do the champion

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work with the central teams or the vendors. And by that, I mean, the people who own the company's

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AI tools and the IT and the security and everybody else that makes the decision. And even if nobody

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in your company has the title of central teams, you are living with these questions because these

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are like the the core things that differentiate between a company that is very opinionated to the ones

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that are still kind of asking a bunch of questions. Let's go to process of establishing an AI network.

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I think the very first question that I always like to ask companies is what are you planning to

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accomplish by establishing an AI champion network. And very often they struggle to answer. And then

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the second question that maybe I'm asking on the line between the ambassadors that you've seen to

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the full builders, the four deployed engineers, where do you want your champions to be? This one

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usually opens the conversation because now we're talking about something more concrete. What these

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people will be allowed to do, what they'll be expected to do and what stays within central teams

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or only professional vendors and builders. And even if you've been defining champions for a while,

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that's an important discussion to have periodically because sometimes that changes for companies. And

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you might have refined your thinking based on actual experience with democratization and building

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on the ground. When you want to start well, I want you to configure the goals, the responsibilities

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and the expectations. Ideally, written down and agreed with everybody else who is involved like I

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see security and so on. To give a concrete example, one company that I'm working with after

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pondering these questions for a while, they realize that primarily what they want is their champions

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to be a good funnel that brings the relevant use cases from the ground to the central team that is

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basically blind to the day-to-day reality of the different teams. And as such, it's a completely

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different discussion and role and training for people whose main purpose is to basically become

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a funnel for good use cases coming from the team. On the flip side, I've also seen companies that

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change their mind after a while and then realize that they want to have champions as full-blown

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builders and then they train them to become much more sophisticated, almost like the AI engineers,

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they breed from the ground up. So that's the stage one. Stage two is the nomination and there are

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three signals that I want you to look for very first in a good champion. A good champion is a person

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that are among the most sophisticated AI users without being told to use AI they just do.

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Their peers already come to them to ask questions and to get guidance and their managers will

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actually give them enough time to work on AI also for others. And that's a big one because often

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that's when great nominations fall short. Then there are other things like the ability for them to

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influence without authority, knowing the business, ins and outs, taking initiative and a lot of

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curiosity because as we know everything changes all the time, I want you also to remember that

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like the person that you will nominate is a person that you want to retain and promote because

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getting to be the AI champion and then boasting on that on social and so on is a huge perk and also

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makes this person highly desirable for the market so make sure that you nominate the people that

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truly deserve the one. This is also the area, the nomination where I've seen companies making

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endless amount of mistakes and I did want to call them out because they are so common that

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I will be amiss if I will not call them out. The first thing that I'm saying is very

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senior people nominating themselves just because they want to improve their AI skills so they say

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I'm going to be the AI champion or because they want to have influence on what's being built so

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they nominate themselves. Senior people should sit in an AI committee like a dedicated steering

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function that helps make the strategic decision. They shouldn't be the people who are chartered to

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build and train their peers. I've also seen and that's very common. Great candidates in terms of

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the reliability and everything else falls in place except they're also the busiest people on the

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team and they just don't have the bandwidths to be the person who builds and trains and so on so

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they're not a good use of your time. I've also seen people nominate as a reward. They're strong players,

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let's nominate them as AI champions but they're just not good enough AI users or doesn't hold some

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of the other traits and lastly never nominate the person who just started working yesterday.

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One of the most important traits that the AI champion has is the ability to identify

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use case and know the business in and out. If they don't know they're new to the team they will not

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be a good enough champion. Okay the next thing that every company that is serious about champions need

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to do is the training and of course you can run it internally if you have strong enough people you

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can do a more concentrated bootcamp which is what often I get to do or you can go gradually and

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just train them but even if they are great users ideally you should train them on specific

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things namely part of what I will share in the second part. In my point of view whichever format

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you choose to train them on their own work and my favorite test is very simple. Every champion

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takes one really use case from their team and shows how they were able to build or promote it by

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the end of whatever training that you do. If they can do that they're ready. If not maybe there is

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some work to be done and usually this stage of the training ends with a kickoff or some kind of

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certification. A lot of excitement of course everybody. People are very proud to have been chosen

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and that's where the real test begins and that's where many of the initiatives fail because the

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biggest predictor of whether these succeeds is what happens the day after you certify someone as

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a champion and this is where we start talking about communities or networks and it needs several

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things. I think one of the most important things that successful and devil like that needs is a

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sponsor. Ideally two kinds of sponsors one that is more of the community type coming from HR or

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the people team or anyone who knows how to run a community inside an organization effectively.

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They keep the people side alive but we also want a professional sponsor. The one who works closely

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with the chief AI officer. If you have one the one that is very savvy about AI that can also

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steer the direction of the champion towards the company's AI adoption strategy. This person will

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set the priorities and will bridge to everyone that the champion depends on namely all of these

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internal teams and they keep the champions on what matters and keep the company clearing the

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path for them the approvals and the access and the tools and so on. So these sponsors matter a lot

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and I think that to name an example and one of the most successful companies that I've seen in

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establishing an internal network they have a dynamic duo of an L&D expert and an AI expert working

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together. They regularly keep their hand on the pulse. They regularly make sure that they understand

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where the champion sits, what they need, what they're building, what the state of the industry is

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and always trying to bridge the gap. On the flip side literally in every company where we might

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have had an amazing AI champion course that never materialized into business value. The missing

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piece was the continuation. Nobody took ownership on making sure that the champions are being used

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effectively and learning continuously. That means that most will just return to the way they used

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to work before and just to use AI as they used to work and not take it to the next level that we expect

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for an initiative like that will take. One of the things that is interesting and maybe obvious to

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some but is not necessarily always obvious is that I think of real challenge for enterprise decision

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makers is both how much to invest in the right way to invest in training their people with AI.

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It doesn't fit comfortably into previous models of corporate upskilling because it's so much more

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robust than all encompassing but at the same time there's no established standards or clear

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best practices really yet that everyone agrees upon for how to do this. And because of all that

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that I think makes the question of how much to invest in different categories of people really hard.

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This is once again one exception where whatever training you can do for this group who is going to be

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then disseminating the most useful parts of that the most contextually relevant for that business parts

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of that. It's just an extremely high ROI category of training even relative to other areas.

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That makes it a valuable place to intersect. I guarantee that there are still lots and lots of

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companies out there that have yet to invest in any sort of formal training. If you're one of those

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this is I think a place to potentially look as a good intersection and a good starting point.

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let's talk about the community because first thing that I will say that everything that is

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tool for any internal community is tool here you want routines you want champions to meet regularly

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and make it easy for them to share the things that they're doing to learn together and to get

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celebrated when they have interesting accomplishments based on what metals to you that they will do

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another one that is underrated is to work with the champions managers because what I often see

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is great champions whose managers don't have realistic expectations or don't know how to use them

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or there's simply too big of a gap in the knowledge between the champion and the person who

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manages them and then everybody's very frustrated so a short session it can be very short

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to the managers of the champions to explain to them what the champions know what they expected to do

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what like how to effectively leverage them creates a big difference in leveraging the output of

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the fact that you already established these champions and lastly about the day after I think that

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not everybody who was nominated will actually become champion either because they or the

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managers have a different expectations than than what they have or people might live the work

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gets too busy and some realize and I've seen that many many times the wall is just not for them it

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sounded very good on paper but they just don't want to do that so the network has to be a very

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living entity it needs to enable people to go and live the network easily and then they can

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hand it over to someone else in the team we want to make it easy for new people to join in a clear

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way and education never stops so it's always happening and if you already have a network and it's

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losing energy this is where you start name your two sponsors check that every champion still have

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the one or two days or sufficient capacity to do the work and if needed re-instigate the

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commitment with their managers also let the people who can do the work step out of the wall and

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thank them and nominate new people all the time the most tired networks that they see are missing

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one of these elements that they just called out so that's the company side the clear goal the

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right people the right training and the day after that is also a living breathing entity let's move

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to the champion side and here I'm also reverting to what you said at the beginning even if you're

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not an official champion but you are the best AI user in the company or in your environment I think

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that you should listen to that because the these things are what differentiate regular per user from

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one that is geared towards yielding more business value so a champion needs to know stuff that other

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employees not necessarily I think it doesn't matter if you are like a pure ambassador or a full

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builder a champion needs to understand the whole road and AI use case drivers all the way from

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idea to production meaning something that people actually use every day and I think that there are

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like three stretches before the build meaning that you know your ground you know what the company

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allows to do and where the use cases reside you also need to decide if what and how to build then

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you have the build itself from POC to production how do you create the agent or the automation of

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the capability and of course here the proportion is based on the skills and how much you are allowed

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to build and what are the tools that you have and after the build there is the entire part of the

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value realization deployment and retiring a solution when needed so I want to give you a few thoughts

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on each of them and these are like the main stops or the main things that a good champion should

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be able to do well so does by the way a great power is so the first thing that I want you to

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hone in on is the use case identification I want you to find the problems in your domain that are

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worth solving and where the cost is justifying the money or the investment and you have to be a little

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bit conservative here in the sense that assume that the investment will be higher than you anticipated

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and that the value will not necessarily be as high in day one as you anticipated your ability to

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articulate who suffers from this problem how often and what then look like really changes the picture

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and then checking your idea that you have against what already exists so that the company build everything

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just one time and not 100 times of the same use case another thing that I want you to pay attention

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to as a champion is the ROI that's just being able to articulate what it worth versus what it cost

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the core knowledge here as I said is to be the realistic person and it means that you need to ask

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a bunch of questions about how it it will be used does it move a company like a critical

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a performance indicator what we need to do in order to measure or make sure that we achieve the gods

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I also want you to be very focused as a champion on the deployment side how do we make sure that

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this great thing that we've built is getting into the right people's hands frequently enough and with

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the right usage mode there's a question of where does it live who approves it and who supports it in

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day two not just day one where everybody's excited and lastly and that's a big important thing

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devaluation how do you know that the stuff that you built is actually good how do we know that we

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can trust it how do we know when we cannot trust it how do we understand the risks of the mistakes

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and I think it's one of the most important skills for any champion to be able to sign off on is the

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thing good enough to put in the hands of users I'm reverting to the definitions and I want to make

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it more concrete because for the same use case the different types of champions might address

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differently for example maybe we have a use case where the team spends hours every week assembling

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a summary of a customer in one okay the ambassador is primarily going to spot the use case describe

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it clearly and make the case this is what it costs us today this is where I think it's

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solvable and then they will take it to a central team or a vendor as a very clean request that

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someone professional can execute once the solution is ready then they make sure that the value is

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actually realized that the team uses that properly so they're introduced at the beginning and at the

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end the ambassador builder also will build the version that works for the own team inside the scope

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that the company allows them to build and then perhaps a second team will take it over from them to

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fully productize and then of course they will need to be back for the deployment and the internal

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FD they can take it all the way including the build and everything else whichever your champions wall

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is configured of I want to give a few playbooks to make sure that the the parts that they are doing

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will be done well and also this is relevant to other power users okay so the first question that

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you should ask before anything gets built is whether or not you should even build that and I think

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you'll be surprised how many times people don't even stop to ask should we build it just go ahead and

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build the thing that you need to check is how often does this come up like is it a concrete use case

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how much does it worth and how costly the mistake is because if the value and the error tolerance

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justify it the decision will then be between reuse something maybe that is already existing

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buying something building or maybe just adding it to the backlog for building in future state

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but I think there is such a huge bias towards building among individuals and companies that part of

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being a good champion is making these decisions from the grounded and the company connected point

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of view not as a passion project but something that justifies the investment the second thing that

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I wanted to make sure that as a champion you pay attention to is what should it be because I think

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that nowadays we feel that everything needs to be an agent fully connected doing everything and so on

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and I believe that keeping it simple or building the simplest solution that solve the problem is

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the way to go so a good champion also has the mental model of what to derive technology for the job

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sometimes it can be a shared set of abilities enough like a prompt instructions and files that your

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team reuses sometimes a skill nowadays is the best way to do it the most streamlined way to

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create the playbooks that can run on demand and sometimes it's an automation the same steps will

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be executed every time sometimes there is a good justification for it to be a full blown agent that

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you build for the team and so on but that's not always the case I wanted to start with the simplest

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one that solves the problem and identify that there is a two-dustification to go from left to

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right and we're not just building the most complex thing that we can think of only to be left with

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something very hard to build maintain and test and lastly the last playbook that I wanted to make

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sure that the champions are kind of being mindful about is defining the core properties before

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you start to build so these are the things that you probably need to write down as requirements or

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as spec for what's being built and each of them carries a lot of weight who is it for everyone is not

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a good answer because anyone who has done any good UX knows that designing for everybody is designing

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for nobody so be specific about the target audience what it needs to know and this is by the way often

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when you discover that you have an entirely new project to do just to curate the relevant knowledge

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before you can even start executing the idea that you have in mind I also wanted to ask how people

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will use it so that it will actually be used and not a glorious vibe-quoted application that nobody

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remembers where where do you are at least and what it must never ever do aka concrete and detailed

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guarders often by the way starting the thinking with what your solution must never do creates much

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more important clarity about what it should do and then ask yourself who checks the output

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where do you enforce human judgment as part of the loop and how do you balance business value and

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quality or safety of what you're building and lastly how do you know that it works you want to

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configure the use cases it needs to be tested against as early as possible because when you configure

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the use cases often that surface and critical conversations about edge cases and how difficult

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it can be to evaluate them and this also helps to build the right thing and also helps kill it

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before it's built because of the inability to ensure quality which is often the case.

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So this is going to be the file that champions will hand over whether they're handing it over to

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a vendor to the centrality or even to themselves it's a critical practice to do before. So I wanted to

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give you a glimpse of three questions that I think differentiate between a regular power user and

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a champion or a user that is very mindful about building the right thing in the right way. I'm

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calling that often the builders or the champions checklist as we're wrapping things up I think that

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one more thing that I wanted to observe is that unlike many things in I know days these playbooks

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are not as transient as some of the other things because the tools they will change every quarter

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and part of being a good champion or fostering a good champion networking glutes also teaching them

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the latest and greatest in tools and in building techniques or identifying use cases techniques but

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I deliberately spotlighted the things that remain valid even if the technology races forward

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because you will still need the right people with the time to do it you will still need to decide

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where on the line they sit between ambassador and builder and write it down they will still need to

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get the whole road from idea to production and somebody will still need to own the day after.

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So if all of these are done right by your champions you are much better positioned to establish

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a successful process and if you are the champion themselves these are one of the best seats in the

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company I can guarantee you because you see the problems across the team you work with the teams

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or you build yourself and you learn the beginning and the end of the road of building while most people

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only know kind of the middle of how to build the stuff in the middle and in order to help people

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do that properly we are establishing an AI champions bootcamp so this is all very opinionated towards

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what we believe champions need to do and we're starting quite shortly so if you want to be a champion

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in your company or you were nominated as a champion in your company or maybe you're a

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dispenser who wants to send a bunch of your champions out of a way we'll be very happy to

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train them on all of these and more. Awesome so going back to the idea of how this role evolves

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and how it doesn't evolve one really important context that I'm seeing more that's sort of been

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lurking for all year but is getting even more urgent now is it's a version of the internal FTE

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that's not necessarily a technical person by definition but is someone who has figured out

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how to start using code and agentic coding tools to solve some parts of their work or to do parts

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of their work it's the best example I think right now for companies and people inside companies

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of the power and challenge of AI all at once obviously it is incredibly powerful for all these

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people to be able to use code to do things for their jobs that they weren't able to before but

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it creates this massive new set of challenges some of them are just knowing what to use that for

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and how to do that and how to even think in those terms but a second part is obviously all the

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sort of security and guard rails issues that come up and increasingly that's not just because

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people are doing it wrong but because the agents are powerful and tenacious enough that they

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tend to escape containment pretty quickly and and kind of weed their way into lots of different

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systems so I actually see that as an area where the role of champions is going to become even more

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mission critical because it's not just hey we're under optimizing this opportunity it's you know the

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the roles are changing fundamentally and creating all these new challenges and we simply have to

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figure out how to solve all those challenges so we can kind of move forward so I think that this

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type of mindset and this type of role is going to become just nothing but more important for

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companies going forward I agree and instead of shutting them down because you're concerned that

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less professional buildings are building do the enablement and the infrastructure and even train

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more of the subject matter experts because they will work on the right use cases and I believe that

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this is even more challenging than mastering the technology itself so going back to the training

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and obviously this is going to be a part of the bootcamp but what do you see broadly speaking as

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how much is that about the skills of AI and making sure that they're as up to date as possible

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and current with the state of the art versus some specific discipline around how they transmitted

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internally I mean obviously I think it's both but you know how do you view that that breakdown

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so obviously you need both but actually think that the building part is the easy part in the sense

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that's not necessarily unique knowledge that there are many ways including just trial and

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error where people learn how to build some of the things where it matters is for example the topic

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that I've shown so evaluation of what your your building is not something that someone accidentally

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lands upon that's something that differentiates the champion from the regular user so we will

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pay a lot of emphasis on the things that are not just teachable by watching a new YouTube video

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or playing with the tool and just figuring it out for yourself because the tool itself is very

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powerful in letting you know what to do or even doing the work for you but the let's call it the

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in between business technology and people side of everything that I just called out like I mentioned

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before these are the things that we will make sure that people come out with with proper playbooks

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because many of them are still being written as we speak and it's not something that most companies

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will know how to train their own people all right well new far this is awesome stuff

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lasting dimension I guess for folks who watch this and who want to start bringing some of these

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ideas back to their organization I will be posting this presentation on the companion website for

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this episode which is at aideallybrief.ai so you can go back and see all of these sort of the

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breakdowns and all this sort of stuff but new far always great to have you on the show I think this

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is a particularly important topic and excited to see how and learn more about how people are approaching

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this issue