‘Friday the 13th’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan
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So Friday the 13th, it wouldn't be my first choice to do this out of the Friday the 13th
franchises, but I felt like we had to.
I felt like you have to tell the origin story because really where this is going to lead
to is part 4 and Jason Takes Manhattan, which might be the funniest movie of the 80s.
I told you, I think it's one of the funniest movies I've ever watched.
Love the movie deep.
We can impertinence Jason Takes Manhattan is just a rare list of commoners.
This is one of those strange franchises that to me comes alive obviously in the second
one.
I think the second one almost stands in as like, let's redo the first one but make the
bad guy even better.
With more money.
Yeah.
But I think it finds its legs at 4.
And 4 is downright good.
Right.
4 is awesome.
4 is, but we couldn't do 4 before we had 1.
Final chapter would have been tough.
But I'm glad we're starting with the beginning because I think you can see it's cool to go
back to 1980.
I have watched this one in a while.
Yeah, I'm happy to be doing it.
This is my favorite slasher franchise.
It's unique though because Jason Voorhees isn't a mid major when it comes to being a
horror guy.
He's a blue blood.
He's Duke, Kentucky.
He's a true blue blood when you're talking about that and he's not in this movie.
And like, it's almost like a prequel.
Jason has, we know him does not really appear until way into 3.
Right.
There was a different universe where Jason Voorhees is in the first one.
This movie would be the movie that they would make coming back.
Let me tell you the story of how.
Yeah, this should have been almost part 4.
We're going backwards.
Yeah.
Right.
To the origin story of this mom.
Wikipedia writes, a group of teenage camp counselors are murdered one by one by an unknown
killer while they attempt to reopen an abandoned summer camp with a tragic past.
Fucking chess.
Yeah.
Go for it.
Great question.
Let's just go.
If I was running a movie studio and somebody came in and just read that sentence, I'd be
like, done.
Well, the great thing about this franchise to be is that they were like, we just need to
have one of these coming out like every year.
Yeah.
Because it's the title tells teens it's time to go to the movies.
Right.
It's time to go see some nudity and violence and get your rocks off.
And it's such a dependable staple of the movie industry.
I don't know that we really have it.
So we'll go into a lot of the Halloween ripoff stuff.
And how that was the origin of this.
But Friday the 13th as a horror movie gimmick also really smart.
Because Halloween is like, oh, that's a day.
It's a little creepy.
That's that could be a recurring thing.
And then the guy Sean Cunningham who created this whole thing was like Friday 13th.
It the 80s have this thing to wear 80s late 70s like whatever had this thing to wear.
Okay.
Halloween, Friday 13th going to sleep.
All of these things that have like this like little eerieness associated with it.
Let's take these situations and then put a bunch of dead teenagers.
Boom, you got yourself a franchise.
Didn't work with some other versions of it.
What was it?
Prom night?
It didn't work.
Prom night happy birthday to me.
Terror train.
Yeah, there were a couple of them.
We tried.
We couldn't pay off the premise.
But you know, the OGs, they seem like they pretty much got it done.
Somehow they never really unlocked Christmas.
They tried all these different ways.
Yeah.
I mean, there's been a lot of Christmas.
I'm sorry, but never.
Like Christmas is good.
I love I like Krampus.
This is fun.
I didn't saw that.
Yeah.
I like horror at Christmas.
Let me just say this happy.
Santa Claus.
Yes.
Having a good time.
I do like that movie where Santa Claus goes John Waker starts killing all those people.
What was that violent night?
I saw that a couple of years ago.
Silent night.
That's silent night is the hard.
I think you're thinking of David Harbor movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there's another one of those coming out.
But I don't want to be scary at Christmas with my family and my little nephews and shit
like that.
That's not fun.
It's different Friday at 13th stories.
The first one is I wasn't really allowed to go see these movies in the theater because
I was on the 10.
But the commercial ran and you can watch it.
And you were allowed to see Texas chainsaw mask or weren't you?
I this is right around 81 was when I was like fuck it.
You're taking me.
Okay.
This comes out.
May 80.
May 80.
My dad.
I was like, we're going.
You got to go.
Oh, with Halloween was the first one.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There was two commercials spring summer 1980 that scared the fuck out of me.
One was Friday 13th where they just show each murder.
It was like one, two, three.
And they just rattled them off.
You can watch it on YouTube.
A lot of it.
It's a 30 second ad.
I'm sorry.
And they show every dead person gives away the entire movie.
It gives away the entire movie and it was also scary.
And it was one of those things that I was watching TV at 10 o'clock in the night.
And it started.
I was like, and then the other one was the shining.
Which we talked about when did the shining had a really scary 30 second ad.
So anyway, I was scared of this movie from the from that.
Okay.
The second story.
I wasn't allowed to see it.
My mom and my future stepdad went to see it in Stanford, Connecticut and told me this
story at the end when Jason climbs out of the boat.
They were in this movie theater.
And when he climbed out of the boat, this guy in front of them stood up, screamed, get
the fuck out and started running out of the theater.
And went up the aisle.
So they told me the story and I was like, how scary.
So then when I saw it, it wasn't as scary as they ruined.
They stepped on that last thing for you.
They didn't tell me what it was, but they told me something happened.
So scary that this guy jumped in the air and ran up the aisle.
And so that was how it got built up in my head.
So 1980 horror.
Yeah.
The shining dress to kill the fog and prom night.
Motel hell.
Terror train motel.
New Year's evil maniac.
New Year's evil funeral home.
Dressed to kill doesn't count, but do you have an sense that this is like this huge wave
of horrors?
Yeah, because dressed to kill and the shining were the mainstream.
For instance, the pauma Kubrick.
But so those were covered.
And then Angie Dickinson had a body double and dressed to kill.
And that was like a big story about whether it was her naked or not.
She's pretty famous.
So you had those.
Then you had the Friday the 13th.
Oh my God, is this going to be a new trend now of young people getting killed in these
movies?
Because it did, it did well.
And I just remember 80 is like just a ton of horror being scared.
My earliest memories of this franchise, because it's franchise over movie is that it was
just a step above pornography, but was distributed in much the same way.
You know, that it was.
And the mafia probably had a stake in some way.
Exactly.
And the sibling had to go rent it for you because like there were enough mom and pop video
stores back then that they would be like, you can't your seven or 10 or whatever you can't
you can't rent this.
And then it would be like sleepover or father, like, you know, overall going to get together
and watch Friday.
I think the first one I probably saw was three.
But actually, what was the, no, it would probably be like three was the three day.
It might have been later than that then, but like all of them were in circulation.
And I can't remember when I saw this one particular because I think for the longest time,
I was like, Friday, 13th is the Jason series.
Yeah.
Yeah.
By the time I got to this actual movie, it was hard for me to appreciate.
Like I saw this one.
These movies have been MTV of five by the time I came to them.
By the time I was getting into Freddie, there was a go.
One hell.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They Will Smith did a Freddie song.
Remember the Will Smith Freddie song?
Nightmare on my street and Will Smith.
That song was bad.
It was bad.
But at the same time, when I thought it was awesome, Will Smith and Freddie is on the same
record together.
Yeah.
Will Smith featuring Freddie.
So by the time I see this one, we should have known with Will Smith at that point.
No, no, no, no, no.
No one.
He was trying to tell us.
Yeah, he was trying to tell us.
It's Sunday.
Sunday he slapped Chris Rock at the Oscars.
He was trying to tell us.
Yeah, it was pretty cool.
Yeah.
But by the time I saw this one, it almost felt like a pure version of the movie because Jason
becomes this mindless, almost like super villain, like Thanos, like who can't be killed.
He gets killed at the end of two and then he just comes back.
Yeah.
The elitikuted, he comes back and the whole thing.
But this one is like a real meat and potatoes, almost elevated horror movie.
It's actually it's pretty patient.
It's very, very true to the late 70s early 80s.
Like yeah, I feel like meatballs was as much of an influence on this as as Halloween.
Yeah, I think carrying meatballs were equally influential as Halloween is on this.
Yeah, and it's like camp counselors, the look, there's that specific late 70s early
80s look, like the lead of this movie who plays Alice just has that Christy McThink
whole here.
It's almost like that helmet, part, big.
I don't even know how to describe it.
Nobody in the planet would have this.
Who's the last person on this haircut who went for it?
Like if Liz came home with this haircut, what would you do?
She's out.
She's out.
That's the reason.
She's getting the fuck out.
Like, how did that haircut happen?
No, wasn't the only people that had it were like people like this actress in the movie
and then like, the little kid and they just know.
You were there.
I just don't understand what we were thinking.
Y'all, I mean, I look at them now.
I'm looking at her right now.
Farah.
And she still look like someone of the baddest shit I ever seen before my life.
In fact, it looks like she's looking at, it's hard to concentrate.
I moved it because we had to make room for Michael Myers.
I think we have the right camera block here.
Well, whatever.
But she's looking at me right now and it's hard to, I like that type of shit.
These are the types of white women that when it was around Dallas era, that's when it
was really our principal.
Yeah.
So we had that going and, you know, Charlie's Angels and that whole look.
And then we had this other like weird boat cut.
But you know what?
These movies with Dudo, that was interesting.
Like, these films are almost like little commentaries on teenage innocence.
And obviously there's a big trope here.
But the kids here, they look like young and impressionable.
But there's always something that they're doing that's a little bit off.
So they're playing Monopoly, which it would be a bummer if someone killed up a bunch of
kids while they were playing Monopoly.
They're being like young or whatever.
But these kids are playing Monopoly.
Smoking a little breath.
So now they deserve it.
Yeah.
And they haven't premarital sex.
Right.
But they got to go.
They look so young like the one earlier in the movie, she's hitchhiking.
What's she doing?
I stopped the danger.
I was always trying to interpret like that trope because I think for people who were probably
around the age of the people in this movie, when you go see that movie, you're kind of
like, yes, what like teenagers and young people do is people will grasp and hook up with
each other.
Yeah.
But like when you're older, I don't know about stripping up with you.
And you're just getting into like Reagan America and like rebuilding this morality about like
the country, that's scandalizing.
And there's probably a part of a maybe like a conservative audience watching it that thinks
they're getting kind of getting what they deserve in some ways because they're being
immoral without a doubt.
Yeah.
Like your killer, even Freddie, I'm just last time I mentioned Freddie, their parents burned
him alive.
Yeah.
And so his revenge, his vengeance on this entire group of people is because of some fucked
up shit that happened.
Now Freddie was a bad guy, but that a great guy.
Not a good dude.
But like in the lore of the story, there's almost like a reason for this.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this movie, did you had seen it before?
I've never seen any of them.
And I didn't.
Other than Jason being a famous character, I didn't know anything about them.
Were you like, I was promised Jason?
Yes, I was.
Okay.
It's quite a swerve.
Yeah.
But this turned into it, he became, it's Freddie, Jason and Myers are the big three, right?
Is there a fourth?
Pinhead?
Pinhead's in the mix.
Pinhead's in the mix.
I think those are the big three.
If we're doing amount rush more, I don't, I think it's, you're really forcing it with
the fourth.
I'm interesting.
But it, well, I mean, if you're doing a mile rush, there's only two it's though.
If they do amount rush more, there has to be a fourth.
Right.
So that it kind of has to be forced in it.
I just felt like Chuck is a force.
Probably.
I mean, I had a lot of shocker was kind of like my, my, my gemark is Russell.
Like I had a lot of high hopes for him coming out of school.
Thank you for that.
Jim or shocker.
I remember shocker.
I feel like if you have to make the case really strongly, it's probably not Mount
R Usher.
Hold on.
It's the first three or like leatherhead just 80s.
Oh, this is just 80s.
I don't know.
I'd let the head gets no love here.
He's like the one of the other face leather face leather face leather face.
So that leather face is for you.
Yeah, leather.
I think he, because he really has a strong movie run.
And then goes through, uh, goes through like a, you know, like a long period of dormancy
or at least like, so leather face, Myers Krueger, Jason.
I like his mind.
Krueger.
The only thing about leather face that takes him away is they keep trying to get it restarted.
And it's hard to get the people back interested in leather face.
The other face didn't endure like something that's not a guy.
They also, I mean, I don't think that they ever unlocked like what's, what's leather face
is trauma, you know, where they do with Jason being bullied or Freddie.
You know what?
He was just the guy that liked to be at his own house.
Don't come in.
I leave me to put this one comforting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Introvert.
Who are the pretenders though?
Who are the, who's the next class?
So then the next class would be just 80s?
Well, no, just period.
Who the next class would be the fucking leather.
Well, it's ghost face from scream.
Ghost face from scream.
Not a single person that ghost face is actually a shout out to ghost face, the rapper.
You could argue that ghost face is actually above, but it's always a different person.
I say, I feel like ghost face and I know what you did last summer guy and those are
about the second generation of these movies.
Hannah Belector Pennywise.
Pennywise might be a big.
Pennywise is a treating on the TV movie.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, Pennywise is fucking frightening.
He's very frightening.
You know what else is frightening?
How long it to us?
I don't, I think that movie is still going.
I took a bit of the screening.
It was like 4 1 2 hours long.
Well, we can talk about Jason the second.
We have to talk about how this was the most unabashed ripoff movie probably of all time.
The producer Sean Cunningham saw Halloween was successful, came up with this idea, put
an ad in variety in the next summer saying, hey, I'm going to make this movie called
Friday 13th is anyone want to fund it.
And it was basically like, yeah, we're ripping off Halloween.
We're going to try to make one year.
There's a new killer.
Got an ad agency to do it.
It was basically Halloween, crossed the meatballs, ends up getting the money, ends up making
it.
And the whole time is like, yeah, we're ripping off Halloween.
He probably like if he was around today would just be like a tech entrepreneur, but that
is a bad story.
That is such a crazy bet on yourself story.
Right.
I'm going to go to the trades and take out an ad for a non-existent movie and see if
it creates enough buzz.
He gets credit, I think, for realizing the repeatability of the gimmick, right?
He comes out of Halloween and sees how successful it is.
And he's like, I got to come up with my own version of this and I'm just going to keep
making them.
And there's come out every year.
Such an interesting sliding door after both Halloween and this where both of the people
who directed these movies and I think some of the people behind like making them were
like, there's no sequel.
Michael died at the end.
You know, Jason is a figment of people's imaginations.
Like it's over.
And what they had thought was maybe we could make this like an anthology where like, it's
just something else scary happening on this date on Halloween or on Friday the 13th, but
they happened into this Jason thing and revived it just the same way they just kept pushing
on.
You know why?
Because three was when Jason, I sat two in the theater.
I made my dad go.
He was so mad.
Cleveland Circle.
We saw that one.
It was a movie.
A song Connecticut.
3D.
During this brief window when people thought 3D was going to happen.
Hmm.
Movie.
The movie was.
It was badass.
People are rooting for Jason.
It was a weird sensation.
It's the one that they had in the theater where you're like, I can't wait for this.
It's like, go get this.
There's like a Biker gang in the movie.
Yeah.
They put intentionally horrible people in there and they just wanted the audience to have
Jason want to go.
Like, I don't want, like, don't touch a hair on these people's heads and two.
I like the people in two.
I like the people in two.
Also, like, some of this stuff has to do just with the necessity to keep these movies
going.
Like, the films are successful.
Yeah.
So what can you do if you're not going to do the anthology thing, which is what they wanted
to do.
What do you, what can you do to keep people coming back?
The easiest thing to do is to put somebody at the center of the movie that is unkillable
and magnetic and really, really scary.
So people will keep coming back.
So how would you compare and contrast with NBA?
What do you have having your star player who's introduced last?
And you just, you kind of need that or you don't feel like a real NBA franchise.
Right.
You need your guy.
You need your Kate Cunningham, your freedom.
Sure.
Whoever.
And that's what the horror movie is.
If you don't have that guy and it becomes a morpheist, I think it's really hard to have
a friend with a hornet.
Yeah.
It's like, I'm kind of figured it out whether it would have a different villain every time
but there's some sort of connective tissue.
Yeah.
It was a mask.
Yeah.
So mask.
And then there was always something tied to Sydney.
The quality of those first grip of screen movies where it was like, there was all this
like reflexive like we're watching the stab trailers and stuff like that.
So, I mean, those movies, they're so much smarter than these movies.
But this movie is like, this is a what would happen if movie.
So I'm just going to work at this camp site for the summer with these other counselors.
What would happen if the fucking generator gets turned off and, you know, Bill goes to the
bathroom and doesn't come back.
And now I'm in this cabin and there's no.
Everybody was a fucking moral.
Yeah.
And everybody was as stupid as possible.
Right.
Yeah.
Um, so he sells this for 1.5 million after it costs like 600K.
Paramount buys it and does this huge marketing campaign.
They did the one sheet, did the 30 second commercial and they're just going for kids and kids
to sneak into the movie teenagers and young adults and it works.
And we ended up with 10 sequels.
And they, they knew like they were like, they knew.
And they knew that people are going to go insane when they see it.
At some point, wasn't there a bidding war?
There's a bidding war.
Yeah.
The movie made almost $60 million.
No, it was 1980s, 18th biggest movie.
And it cost nothing to make and it had a bunch of actors.
We basically never seen again.
Yes, which allows you to kill them all off.
Right.
Nobody's going into it and being like, well, you can't kill Deborah Winger.
You know, like she asks if she's going to live because they want it.
Sally Field and they could not get her, which forced them once again, necessity into
casting unknowns, which means you can kill them in more violent and grandiose ways, which
is what the crowd wants anyway.
And you don't know what's coming.
When they're starting, you know, they're going to be the last one.
Right.
You like this?
You have no idea who's going to live.
Who's not?
Who's going to be the last one?
You think the last one's going to be the first one, the head checker.
Yeah.
It's like, there's she's cute.
They're not going to kill her.
Yeah.
They fucking take her out.
She's one of ones.
But why, every time I'll go back and look at it, I'm like, yeah, look at her.
I have some thoughts.
Well, I do like her.
No, I do like her.
She's a Karen Allentor.
Yeah.
A little Karen Allentor.
A lot of Karen.
A little storm in.
So before we get into the movie, your favorite is still Freddie.
Oh, yeah, those guys without doubt.
Freddie has the most personality.
Freddie's the most powerful.
Freddie's the scariest to me.
So I'm a Myers guy and see her as a Jason guy.
Big J.
Yeah.
Big J.
It's weird that we have three different ones.
So why are you a Jason guy ultimately?
I think it's the, especially the settings.
I really like love the repeatability of like the campsite.
After a year, these idiots go back to this place that is referred to as campblood that
has no law enforcement.
Right.
That it's going to be fun.
It's mythologically damned to hell.
And they're just like, nah, we're going to open up a, like a teaching school for counselors
or I'm going to rent this one out.
And like, we're going to party next to these kids and for and it's like, this is just
hell on earth.
You guys keep coming up here and keep dying.
And I love how the first hour of these movies always feels.
It just just like you get lulled into this sense of like, ah, this is so nice.
That's a nice piece.
I think she's good.
I think she's going to take a skinny dip.
Like, and then, and then I love all hell breaks loose.
And then I kind of enjoy the challenge of trying to piece together the narrative once
they're like, actually Jason is this and Tommy Jarvis does that and Tina does this.
He's entertaining.
It's pretty good.
I think it has the most good movies of these franchises, but I would say Halloween's
heights and Texas chain saws heights are way higher.
I think he, I think he has pretty, and interesting.
I like one, two, four, and headlock.
Get out of here.
One, two, four, and H2O for Halloween.
Okay.
And then I think the first remake that Blum has did.
So probably five.
I like.
So you think there's more than five, 13th.
I like one, two, three, and H2O of Halloween.
I enjoy talking about other Halloween movies.
Yeah.
And I, I have mixed feelings about the Blum House ones.
Four is going to jump out and fucking jump on you.
This is one of my favorite pods we've done.
Yes.
That was awesome.
So 13th, the first four.
And then Manhattan's amazing.
Yeah.
Manhattan.
I think those are the five.
I like lives.
I get Manhattan.
When you, when you, I can't wait to do Manhattan.
As far as reached out, I thought we were going to do Manhattan.
And Manhattan is just absurdly blissfully perfect.
Now, I remember that was one of the...
We go into the sewers.
Well, we were talking about just being the first combo rewatchables where we would do multiple
what we did one and two together.
We might be able to do two and three together.
Just team them up.
Yeah.
Ebert, no written review.
Oh my God.
But he really, really, truly hated this movie.
And they crushed it on the TV show called The Exploitation Movie.
They braided it.
They were saying how this was training audiences to root for the killer.
Everything they said was 100% true.
Siskel, when he wrote about it, he hated it so much that he intentionally gave away
the ending in the second paragraph.
Doesn't he also like...
He was like, Jason's mom did it.
Doesn't he die?
I don't want the biggest movie.
So that's what have this since.
Wasn't he like, and also write letters to the screenwriter who lives in this town or something?
Yeah, he gave the paramount address so people could send letters to try to stop him.
And then he said that Betsy Palmer, please, Jason's mom, he's like, I won't give you
her address, but let's just say she lives in row 8 and tough.
Put this in his written review.
But as a part of these movies, as they come out, there's a permission structure to kill
teenagers in the goryest ways.
Yeah.
The reason why this movie can come off of Halloween is because, oh, okay, cool.
Well, like, Halloween, much of teenagers get killed, whatever.
So we're going to kill teenagers, except what we're going to do is kill them in all types
of different gory ways.
So you could see, particularly at a time where the moral majority is starting to gain steam
and all that stuff, how they would be like a visceral response.
But Cisco and Ebert were exactly like conservative Republicans.
I know, but I'm saying it's still though, and Ebert like Chainsaw.
I know, but like, this one right here is for all...
I love the movie, but I've grown to love it, but it's gratuitous.
It's like, yeah, it's a whole decade is gratuitous.
Of course.
And I think they saw the future.
Yeah.
Yes.
You see, because there's an amazing compilation on YouTube of all of their Friday the
13th reviews across the franchise.
Oh, actually.
And it's just two guys with their dicks increasingly caught in zippers.
But they're just like a to-part border.
Like, both...
I can't believe this is what my job is, but also just like this apoplectic anger that
this is what young people are watching.
See, equipment of like in 2013, if Zack Lowe had decided three pointers, we're going to
ruin the NBA.
And was just killing Steph Curry.
And was like, this, he shot 13 today.
This is going to best read.
What's happening to my game?
Yeah, that's what Ebert did.
That's what they were like.
They were like, they weren't right.
They were like, Jackson was right.
Yeah.
They just fucking hated this.
So it's interesting.
13th, Fred 13th, the motive is these camp counselors fucked up in this kid drowned.
But they fucked up like 30 years ago.
So now as all the camp counselors fall going forward that this happened.
Halloween, it's just the lights are on and nobody's home with this dude.
He's just purely in simple evil.
He's looking his eyes.
It's the devil's eyes, the darkest eyes.
And that's the premise of that.
And then Freddie is...
Freddie was a chalmalester who was on trial for it.
He beat it, parents got together and either he beat it or he was going to beat it,
parents got together, burned him alive.
And so he made a deal with a dream demon to haunt their children, their progeny, and perpetuity
and kill them.
So I would argue Freddie, probably the worst of the three to empathize with as the killer.
I mean, I think, I think LF is really hard in Texas, you know, it's just...
I know that you're probably somebody who wants his own privacy and doesn't want people
unexpectedly showing up.
He's a private guy.
What are you doing?
What are you messing with?
That was my hardest take for Chan-Sah.
Like, don't go into the guy's house.
By the way, he lives...
He's not fathering him.
By the way, he lives in the middle of nowhere.
So if you're him, you're thinking, what are you doing here?
You must meet me home.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're going to get the hammer right in the forehead.
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Most rewatchable scene, the opening scene said 1958.
Every time they do scenes like this, you just think how much of us the suck to live in
the late 50s for it's like, let's get a guitar and sing terrible songs.
Wait, they're singing like a Bible song.
They're singing Michael Rowe's Boer's Short.
He's getting them hot and horned by Kuh-Roo the Bootershawar and say, one more time.
Who wants some more spritzer?
But then the mom turns out it's Jason's mom, not a huge fan, ends up taking him down.
We don't get the sex scene, man.
Nah, this guy always is like a little meat left on the bone there in a real way.
Literally.
58, that seems like maybe if they're singing that song, it's maybe a Bible camp.
So religious camp.
So maybe he's only hoping a little bit over the shirt stuff there.
Yeah, it's just like rub on it a little bit.
Yeah, just see what we can do.
Maybe sneak a dry hump in.
OTP, maybe.
Yeah, what's TP?
Over the pants, OTP.
Over the TPA.
OTP HJ, you heard of that?
OTP HJ, no.
This doesn't, you know that?
OTP HJ.
No, I'm from we just go right straight to the foot.
OTP HJ.
OTP HJ.
So you mean to tell me you come from such a pulp, future culture.
No, you guys are getting over the pants and chops.
But you know what, I do think we could get OTP HJ into the rewatchables.
That's great.
We're it's like dead of thieves too, kind of an OTP HJ.
You know, without Pablo and 50, just guys.
You know, it's fun and wedding crashes.
OTP HJ.
OTP HJ, okay.
Dry humping, different categories.
Different categories.
Way different.
Yeah.
We had girls pregnant in the eighth grade, Madero and so it was different.
Annie's car ride to Camp Blood.
Yeah.
The journey to Crystal Lake.
Yeah.
And the guy tells her, quit.
Stop.
Get out.
Stop.
It's Camp Blood.
Get the fuck out.
Yeah.
I'm gonna move it like this where you have somebody who lives in the town who peacefully
co-exist with where the evil is and they're just like just.
Juggernaud Ralph.
Yeah.
Crazy Ralph.
No, not crazy Ralph.
The guy gives you the ride.
The truck driver.
Truck driver guy who grabs her ass when she's getting in the truck.
Yes.
A freaky creep.
You know what I mean?
You know what's funny?
It's like, this is always interested in me.
Let's say, because I left Sikamore to come here.
Let's say when I left Sikamore.
That's our office.
It's not the Sikamore.
I was getting into my car.
Somebody went, you're not going to Simmons house already.
Simmons house is where people go to die.
I would not be at this bitch right now.
You're like, I'm gonna do that.
I can't be with Abraham.
I don't know what the fuck you got going on over there.
But some dude just walked up to me.
He had a Celtic shirt on.
He said that Simmons house is where you go to die.
So I could do this from home, but I'm not coming over.
You got to figure that shit out.
You're going to Camp Blood.
You going to a camp in the middle of the fucking nowhere woods
where a whole designer is telling her, don't do it.
Don't do it.
I was going to take a left at the cemetery.
What the fuck is happening?
That's another red flag.
It's a nice scene setter though for like the,
it's a little snapshot of late 70s, 1980,
America of kids just kind of being like, I'm doing my own thing.
I think the butt grab was on purpose.
Or did that just happen in the scene in the director?
It was like, all right, we'll use that take.
I think that was directed.
Maybe like how like they're getting objectified
left right and center anyway.
And like, that's just like the time.
I didn't get nervous because I was like,
oh, this is like the Texas chainsaw guy all over again.
Oh right.
It's just man and mouth.
Right.
I see this settings in the movies like this
from like 77, 76 to like 80.
You know, it's pre-everything.
It's pre-cable.
And it just pre-maps like digital maps.
Yeah, it just seems like life seems so simple.
And terrifying.
Yeah.
People you just hit, like, can you give me a ride?
I think you're a little nervous, but not totally,
but deep down you are a little nervous.
You're just going with it.
I think about this like the tradeoffs, right?
You know, we've talked about this before.
Like the tradeoffs were we were always together.
Like you couldn't have a digital relationship with someone.
Right.
We were always together.
The tradeoff for that was in a neighborhood
every once in a while we lost the kid.
Yeah.
The tradeoff for everybody for there
would be no digital overlord.
Every once in a while we lost the kid.
It was a deal to where people don't remember
you pick up a milk carton on the back, kid gone, done.
Kid, have you seen the kid?
Or the story about we had this
and when I lived in Massachusetts,
the house that gave the candy apple with the razor.
I don't even know if it was actually true or not,
but we all knew the house and we all thought it happened
and that's just the way it went.
There's, I mean, it's funny that this is the,
like Friday 13th is the opposite.
She's almost like enticed more to go to the camp
when she hears the bullshit about camp blood.
We had urban missing Philly, like the Taney Park gang.
It was like nobody went within 10 blocks
as Taney Park because that,
I don't even think it really existed.
Or if it did, it was like one kid got his bike stolen
once there, but it was like that's stuff
scared people off like in a huge way.
So the idea of being like,
I can't blood, I'm sure it's fine.
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
it is an interesting thing to get the kill and start it
with somebody that's not integral to the main narrative,
to the blood though.
Like, yeah, this is how serious this is
that the lady just goes, okay, you're here, you're, you're dead.
The moment that that happens, you know how much danger
all of the other people that you're gonna have to meet aren't.
People talk about how TV shows and movies now have to slam
some set piece or action scene or murder or whatever
into the first five minutes of the show or movie you're watching
to grab people's attention.
But I think that's kind of why they did this here in 1980
because the sequels, especially two and three,
open with the last 10 minutes of the previous movie
to get a kill in.
Because the rest like the next 40 minutes are basically
kids hanging out.
Right.
And that would have been what this movie was
if we don't get any, any got here.
It's just like kids hanging around nailing and stuff.
And even leading up to that, the tension,
you know she's in danger.
Of course, they're also giving you some exposition
about how dangerous things are, how to town, regards the place.
That's all good story stuff that just gets to a pretty graphic death
of her throat being cut like right there.
Well, it's the second hitchhiking.
So you think she gets away from the first guy.
So she's all right.
Right.
Then the next person who she seems very comfortable with
and then I always like when it's like,
wasn't that the sign back there and the car just keeps going?
So we saw one.
You didn't, did you know that it was Jay's mom was the filling?
So I never saw, I saw two first.
Two was the first one I ever saw.
But two tells you what happened in one.
So it was fine.
Okay.
Pretty good.
It's interesting in the theater that such a zag that it's the mom.
But now that we know this for 45 years,
you kind of take it for granted.
Well, it also makes total sense because everybody greets the killer
from the POV of the killer.
They greet them like, hey, we're doing out here.
Whereas it a bit of been in Waterlogg corpse Jason.
Yeah, you've been fucking probably not driving that.
And after a while, the stuff of legend,
because Jason becomes such a legendary character.
They're like, you're in middle school and there's some fucking film
broke hit that goes in the first movie.
It's actually fucking not Jason.
It's Jason's mom.
Oh, don't we have no we had him even.
Don't give me started man.
Annie's hitchhiking.
That's the next one.
We get Jack and Marcy buying it.
Jack is kept making its character.
Couple good deaths.
I always like to through the bed death is always a good one.
Darrell, which I think they filmed.
They had him just put his head over the thing with his body.
And then they put the fake bodies so they could ram it through.
In Texas, Shane saw I ranked the deaths I would most want to have.
I think Jack died pretty happy.
Just got in a second.
Right.
And just ticking a hit.
Yeah.
Everything is going right for him.
Arrow through the throat dead.
Like, as long as it's a quick death, I think you're probably like,
that's about as happy as a guy can get.
Where would you go on the net on Marcy get in the acts to the forehead?
That's a that's a disappointing one because she saw it coming.
Yeah.
The last thing she sees is like the scariest thing in the world.
I always sometimes they have reactions in these horror movies
when they realize they're about to be killed and they go,
and then they just get an axe.
I just don't feel like that would be much.
Like, wouldn't you be like trying to figure out how to fight back?
Well, I mean, that's this is the thing with Jason's mom.
Yeah.
Alice, Alice starts like, just gives her a little kick into shins.
And it's like, I got her.
Alice seemed to be the only one that was up to the challenge.
Because like, Jason's mom is one of the greatest.
Sexually frustrated.
Yeah, she's one of the greatest female athletes we've ever seen.
Yeah.
She's been killed since 58.
Yeah.
She's like, essentially Derek Henry.
She's she continues to age and get better at killing over time.
She's a versatile killer.
She's essentially Derek.
I had stuff about this.
Mine as well.
He could she throws a body through the window.
That's fucking hard.
It's not just a hair or shit.
Right.
So she so she she's versatile.
She's deadly and then also doesn't get blood on her.
She's got a nice clean blue sweater.
Yeah.
Mental game tour.
Because by the time we get to the end, she's like, you know, I've killed enough.
Now it's time for me to get my shit off.
I'm going to let you know why this is happening.
She's doing a podcast.
Absolutely.
Yes.
She's like, here are the reasons.
Yeah, Jason.
I'm telling her the reasons.
That's always good to get me to when the killer starts talking to somebody.
Fruising had that.
Matt Dellen.
He's like, so you think that's a good enough reason to kill six people?
Look at you.
You don't know how to read.
He's like, we did this.
We did this for Jackson's back.
Becoming a character.
Yeah.
Matt and Ariavad will make either way into this pod.
That's.
So your son dies.
That gives you the excuse to kill.
I'm not just trying to understand.
I'm not just trying to understand.
I'm just trying to understand.
Yeah.
So one dad think was 20.
It's okay.
We get a Alice finds Bill on the rest of the bodies.
It's tough one for Bill with the arrow through the eyeball.
Yeah.
There's some good research on that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She has a really good barricade job, Alice.
Yeah.
Sometimes when he's in these horror movies, sometimes they just put like the chair in front of the door.
She's like fucking Minecraft, Mike Tomlin, just like building a whole village.
Just stop it.
Get the body through the window anyway.
Yeah.
And then two more scenes.
Jason's mom shows up.
They were making love while the young boy drowned.
Chases are through the woods.
Killer, Mommy.
Killer.
Killer, Mommy.
And then Betsy Palmer.
She loses this UFC fight.
I think it's like a 50 to 45 scorecard.
Oh, yeah.
It's tough.
The Alice just kicks her ass.
Do you think Alice was like waiting for her to come up on her in the canoe?
Or do you think it was like a surprise to her when when when when.
It's tough.
I mean, again, they don't know 46 years later.
We're going to be breaking this down.
I'm sure.
But I don't know why she thought.
Jason's mom was just.
I don't know.
She seemed like she thought she was dead or unconscious.
Yeah.
She's kind of wandered away.
And then I'm going to sit with my back.
Yeah.
To the house.
Just very strange choices.
Yeah, just a trope.
And that's why you know later on they play with the trope.
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like a UFC fight, she does enough to get out of the round.
Yeah.
Like the round is going back and forth.
Jason's mom keeps trying to get takedowns, trying to get him, can't get the kick you in,
keeps you in the vagina.
It's a lot of chin and box kicking.
Yeah.
Nails are with a frying pan at one point.
Good slow motion to capitation.
Also a Friday 13th thing we're at the end.
It's like the slow mo of the somebody.
I've got Ms. Machete here.
I come.
She's a good girl.
She goes.
And then the second ending.
Boat canoe, canoe, like talking, like canoe.
Just scary.
One of the scariest things I've ever seen when I first saw it was Jason.
We need Craig's reaction to the canoe ending.
Legitimately shocking.
Yeah.
Totally thought the movie would be so.
Didn't see it coming at all.
No, because I saw there was like two minutes left in the runtime and I was like, oh,
this is just going to be like she got away and maybe there's a little tease.
Actually, Florida, I didn't really find the movie that scary until that specific scene.
I can't imagine what it would have been like in the theater in 1980s.
So it's directly like influenced by Kerry, right?
Because Kerry's hand coming out at the end.
And I think this is Tom Savini's idea.
If I remember from the research, it's the makeup artist was like, we need like one more
button on this, you know.
But Jason was not envisioned as, okay, now we're going to put this kid in the mix.
He's also disgusting looking.
I can't believe it.
It's one of the great things about Jason is that like we know him from the mask, but he
is a disfigured dude.
You know, it's like a real good jump scare.
One of the best ones often imitated afterwards.
Yes.
They do us get that lab.
Oh, you thought the movie was over.
I mean, every, like, you would talk about nightmare and I'm sure in every movie, hey, just
let you know, right?
He's not fucking the peace and tranquility of sitting on the lake.
It's so calm.
She's literally like as far away from anything as she can be.
It's great.
He's safe.
Everything's happened.
Yeah.
And then boom.
So I had horror movie tropes that this movie invented a female murderer.
I don't think that had happened.
Yeah.
Right?
Had it?
Well, I mean, Carrie, Carrie is a female murderer.
First of all, Carrie was in the right.
They shouldn't have fucked with her like they did.
They humiliated her on prom night.
But isn't she following like the Freddy's own?
Poor pigbloods on her.
They were mean to her, but she used telekinetic powers to murder the entire, including a bunch
of people who were trying to help her.
Yeah.
They were mean.
Just Betty Buckley's character.
Sure.
Right.
Her mom abused her.
Yeah.
Everything that you're saying is school was so mean to her and she had telekinetic powers.
I'm going to stop you.
I'm going to let what you're saying wash over you and then you're going to be like, I
shouldn't do that.
No, I'm not done.
Carrie yet.
We're going to.
I'm not defending mass murder.
I'm saying she's talking to the power.
She could control over it.
They fucking drove her crazy.
Yeah, it's tough.
She's not red.
That was it.
My Abro.
If I was litigating this, I would love to do this.
The trial of Carrie.
I would love for you to be the defense and how to be the prosecution.
At the end of that, it looked like to me, Carrie looks door lock.
It is great.
It is.
It is.
It is like door lock.
Door lock.
Yeah, she knows what she's doing.
You guys fucked up.
Let's get busy.
My defense would be, I mean, did you see the movie?
They're fucking so mean.
They were.
They were asking for me.
I think there are other iconic like Pamela kind of reminds me of going even back to like
Manchurian candidate or like mommy Dearest, but then depending, I mean, obviously like
Psycho is Norman Beats, but yeah, just the best is is pretty out there.
So it invented that summer camp as a setting.
I think it was the first one.
And then the second ending that may or may not be a nightmare and you don't really,
you don't expect it.
And then you don't really know if it was real or not.
Stuff at stole the one location one night slaughter that jaws music for the villain you
can't see.
Kids dying right after every premarital sex because they shouldn't have done that.
A seemingly friendly helper who ends up being not friendly, the Texas chains on move.
De not killing the killer, but just then repeatedly lead in the back when you could just get rid
of them.
And then the final girl.
So so still six things.
Yeah.
Not to mention like this is on a certain day there.
Everybody knows, etc, etc.
Did it invent the nuts, the ranged member of the outside town community who's actually
right about how dangerous things are like that.
Oh, don't listen to all the crazy whatever.
I mean, like he's like, yeah, did it invent that?
You consider Donald Plezans that in Halloween sort of by Halloween for yeah, sure.
And then I guess you let about that.
But he's like fighting it though.
I'm talking about somebody that's like on the outside that you're going somewhere and
it was weird as they said that guy has a wife who crazy route.
Crazy route.
It's like his way.
His wife.
There's too major on answering questions.
I have one is Ralph's home life.
And I have another guy in the beginning at the cemetery.
Texas Texas chains on mask her.
He kind of warns everybody of what's coming.
Maybe so maybe so.
I mean, I think in general Texas chainsaw, it's like there's grave robbing going on.
Find another time to go to your old your dad's old place.
So how do you five degrees?
Yeah, maybe skip this.
Would you have from us who are watching?
I am Marcy and Jack fucking die.
Because that's kind of like where you just know you're in Friday the 13th.
I had that as well.
That's the scene that the entire movie to me is like actually based around like that's
the scene of the biting of the apple.
Your dad very important.
Also funny that it's Kevin Bacon.
Yes.
You're a lousy goddamn son.
I'll put your jacket.
I think this is like his six three watchables.
Is it?
Even though he has it and I don't think that in the start of any of them.
Paul, good man.
JFK.
JFK, this is for animal house.
Animal house.
I think there was one more.
Did you do full loose?
Not yet.
I'd love to.
Love that.
Bacon is, I think bacon is the top actor of all time at what bacon does.
The bacon.
The first two.
Okay, so look.
Well, you're saying this like a Robert Hory type.
Would you say crazy stupid love wild things?
No.
Oh yeah.
Crazy stupid love wild things.
So spending seven.
So those are movies with bacon like coming in and adding to a movie.
But I'm talking about the weird, incredibly watchable 80s Kevin Bacon movie early
90 where he's the lead like tremors or whatever tremors.
The big picture quick silver, yeah, like that level of leading man like leading man.
Flatline air sees one of the.
All of that.
Kevin Bacon delivers in that.
You couldn't see anybody bigger for those roles, but he's the perfect mid level leading
man in that role.
I don't know if anybody is as good as him at delivering on movies.
He's got a great.
It's a great combination of like a little bit of smart, but a lot of like sincerity and
a recognizable face.
Very much so.
You know that you're in good hands.
He's a he's a cake like the big picture is actually one of my favorite movies.
Will we ever do Mr. River?
Is that my daughter?
I can't come on, brother.
That is damn.
I don't know if it's rewatch.
That one of the all the crying kids.
I mean, we did do the KCF movie.
Just about to say I've missed the.
I did that on the rewatchable.
Yeah.
It was sick.
It was crazy.
I can't get past it.
Would you have for most rewatchable?
Oh, yeah, I agree with you guys.
Okay.
Yeah.
What's the most 1980 thing about this movie?
The old gas station pumps really brought me back.
Yeah.
The gas station they seem like they're from the 40s.
Alice's hair we talked about.
Betsy Palmer sweater.
But I think the winner is two characters and two different points to a boguard and
per station and a Catherine Hepburn.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you understand what was happening?
I knew there were some old movie references, but no, not specific.
So what's the equivalent of that now?
Well, in like obsession if they did pulp fiction and imitations.
Yeah, like if one of them did jewels from pulp fiction, they had a 20 years later.
This is 1980.
I mean, it's jewels and for us.
It's still a little late to be doing boguard.
A little late for it.
Yeah.
But I'll tell you what, back to my theory of cultural exploration, it had not culturally
expired yet.
Right.
You still hurt like Eddie Murphy and movie is gone.
Oh, I sure like it was it still was around.
Like, and it wasn't going yet.
Have another 1980 things.
Just the fact that it feels like the 70s because like 1980 is still like the thumbnail.
Seven years ago.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I got a couple of things.
Number one, the hitchhiking.
Okay, it's big 1980 thing.
You're checking to do that.
Number two, white kids at the lake.
Yeah.
In the 80s, there was a lot of shit, but white kids just going to the lake to hang out.
Yeah.
Movies was going to the lake.
Yeah, I'll go to the lake still.
I'll go to the lake.
I think I'll you go to the lake.
I go to the lake.
I'm going to the lake.
No, you ever go to the lake?
No, not that I know that.
Well, to the lake out there's a little floating part of the lake.
I go just to see if Jason comes.
Yeah, we go.
Because now we have information like 45 tons of raw sewage was dumped into lake blank.
Yeah, tough.
And then you're like, oh, yeah.
That could have swimming there anywhere.
The last one.
I mean, the way everybody out, but the panties.
I think that the the the the underwear in the movie, the Victoria secret.
Yeah, totally change panty technology.
I wonder if this was also a time when people did do.
And now I'm going to put my bathroom on for the night or my night gown on for the night.
Really like a really nice bedtime ritual for folks, even at even at summer camp, even
like those kids that young.
Yeah.
What do you have for the Floyd Gundalli butter on my ass?
I popped my mouth or camp counselors and trouble brother.
I don't even need Jason.
Do you know what I'm saying?
If it was just like, if it was just this, I guess that's what meatballs is, but I'm just
like, this is enough.
Bad weather being a harboredger of many deaths.
I think that actually not only is Jason's mom, actually, she's also an amateur meteorologist.
She probably went, I'm going to strike on this night because we got about a 75% chance
of rain that will cover my tracks and trap all of these kids in places.
I think about it, everybody's running around barefoot, they're slipping around.
Nobody's at their best because of the rain.
I have random diner scenes where everyone knows everyone and it's just like a giant
huge podcast.
Yeah.
It only happens in movies.
I've never been in a diner or something.
It's like, hey, hey, merge.
What's going on today?
It's like, I don't know.
That's Bobby.
And just every.
It's even been a while since I had the experience of walking into a diner and everybody looks
up from there with their eating to see who just came in.
No, it happens in this movie.
But it's going to diner.
Everybody's looking at their phone.
Yeah, everybody's in their phone and nobody's talking to anybody.
Well, when you guys go to diners, what diners?
I know.
That's why I like when there is.
I like how the lakes and diners, you guys have left America behind, but I'm still
part of it.
There you go.
Like diners.
I mean, our LA version of the diner is the one Phil Rosenthal open that has influencers
going in there.
Standing live for two hours.
$28 pancake.
That hamburger is good.
What's H the best?
A truly tremendous setup for the sequels.
They fucking lay the groundwork.
Where's the boy?
Then he's still there.
What's the boy there?
Then he's still there.
I'm ready.
I'm ready.
Every time you do a horror movie imitation, you do long legs hands.
Sorry, Chris.
I know me to be long thanks.
Kevin Bacon is the best for sure.
But when there's a town crazy, is that ever going wrong?
Is it gimmick in a movie?
Crazy Ralph.
Crazy Ralph.
Because you have so much you could do with them.
The town crazy could either be someone that throws you off the main narrative of the
movie or somebody that you're supposed to listen to because of the main narrative of
the movie.
Scythe has forgotten him, but they're the only person that actually is giving a real
warning.
Was Pam a little whole time?
Or do you think he just thinks it's cursed?
I think Pam won.
I don't think anyone saw it coming with him.
Who's your favorite town crazy?
Who's the most underrated?
I'm going with Sam Jackson above the rim.
Sam Jackson is not in above the rim.
No, Bernie Mac.
Sorry.
Bernie Mac in above the rim.
Sam Jackson was in above the rim too.
No, he's not.
I thought he was.
No.
Don't do it.
Don't say what I think you're to say.
Bernie Mac.
Bernie Mac's character.
Bernie Mac was flip.
Flip.
Flip was flip.
Now watch.
Watch Sam Jackson being that bitch.
I'm saying get some of that.
Bernie Mac was flip.
Remember he played.
Yeah, I'm going to talk about flip.
He played on the same college high school basketball team with Nutso and the main guy
is like he plays him in flip.
Doesn't you know, by the way, Nutso, the guy, Leon talks to Nutso.
Same thing.
Another talks to a dead guy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, he said we even like what the hell's not going to be that.
Let's say it's your best strip monopoly.
Maybe the only time this I didn't even know what the rules are.
It doesn't make any sense.
It's like, it's a pain.
I just.
Instead of rancid, I take off my clothes.
You're going to sit your bare ass.
Also, the guy is definitely just going to tank.
Right.
It's not was a long game.
Yeah.
So at what point is that guy trying to figure out if he's going to have a threesome?
What is the purpose of playing the game?
That's not going to happen.
He's going to sit there with a hot ass dick for two for three or four hours.
Play him a novel.
I'd be like speed faster.
Roll that.
Roll that.
And then everybody bought that good.
You got your hours.
Are you tired?
Are you tired?
Everybody Essex the game and he doesn't put up enough of a fight.
They're like, oh, no more monopoly out of the way.
We were just getting started at some point.
One of them was like, where's Jack?
Is like, I don't fucking care where Jack is.
Let's keep the strip monopoly going.
I think you're rolling.
You're a boardwalk.
You're fucking hit boardwalk.
Pay the fuck up.
I think he definitely had threesome ideas.
Yeah, to have.
Is there a idea?
I had one more, but what'd you have for what's it's best?
I always love the moment when Jack and Marcy are down by the lake.
And Jack just goes, wins shifted 180 degrees.
That storm's going to tear right down the valley.
And I'm like, this is what dudes were like before ESPN.
Yeah.
They just knew a lot about like whether.
How to fix stuff.
Yeah.
And then ESPN came out.
They were like, fuck a big, big, big field.
They're feeling in this way.
Now that's what you got to know about.
You have to know that fucking change your car.
I don't think there's enough balls for this.
There's not a fall to go around.
What do you have?
What's mine is what happens right after that.
What's aged the best is how horny men are.
And I'll tell you why.
They're sitting there talking right after he says that.
And this is what she says.
She goes, I've dreamed this dream.
Maybe a half done times.
There's a thunderstorm.
The rain comes down like pebbles.
I can hear the sound.
I try to close my ears off.
It doesn't work.
The sound gets louder.
So weird.
The rain turns into blood.
And the blood washes down in little rivers.
He's like, that's crazy.
And the sound stops.
He like, damn.
That's crazy.
You want to go inside?
Hey, let's go inside.
Not one thing.
In one way that he goes.
Wait, what the fuck is this shit talking about the blood?
Hey, man, what the blood mean?
Was I am I in the drain?
Hold on, before we go ahead real quick, I want to make, I don't get killed in this dream.
What a arrow through the neck.
No, he's like, how about those fillies?
Exactly.
He's like, actually, you know what's just having a wind just shifted again.
So let's try to get inside.
They're suddenly never mentioned how there's the cemetery right there.
Or that it's called Camp Blood or any of that stuff.
Do you think they even know?
Camp Blood is the nickname.
It was called Camp Crystal Lake.
I know, but do you think they know about the camp blood thing, like for real?
Don't they mention it in the beginning of the movie?
In two, they know.
Well, Ralph is like, she's like, I'm going to Crystal Lake.
I thought the kids mentioned it when they all are meeting for the first time.
Don't they say?
The cemetery would be as scary as the Camp Blood piece.
I know.
Like it's fucking, there were no lights anywhere.
The only other one I had was the score.
Yeah, it's actually.
It was actually, yeah.
It was done by Harry Manfredini.
And so for 46 years, I thought it was Choo Choo, ha ha ha.
But it's not.
It's Kup.
It's Kiki.
Mama.
Kiki.
Mama.
Oh, so I just heard this incorrectly for my entire life.
I thought it was Choo Choo.
This life before subtitling.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The movie leans on it too.
Yeah.
It uses it a lot.
Choo Choo.
I mean, arguably the best.
Yeah.
Other than like some of the Halloween with the piano.
Now, Halloween wins the gold for like,
it's got, yeah, it's Halloween as moves.
This just has the.
But that, but that.
Both of them are like, yeah, it's probably gold.
So over with that, but both of them,
you just know that you're in the shit now when that starts to.
If you're in your house alone and you just heard that in the house.
I get my car and you're sitting under something.
Yeah.
Would you have for great check, order?
Mom, I'm heading.
Does this slow mo.
Mm hmm.
Machete down just because that's become.
That's a hallmark of these movies and winds up becoming like the.
You got to have it.
Stay.
Can we bring in Bangkok Craig for this?
Sure.
Bangkok Craig.
Yeah.
Do you buy that you could cut somebody's head off with with that size knife?
I doubt it was very sharp, right?
It's probably like a dull old knife.
So no way.
The velocity you would need to get through.
This is also what's called that too is.
Jenny or whatever name is into tries to do it to Jason.
And only like damages.
You need like a samurai level katana.
That's how I feel.
Also, you need to be like sharpening.
Like that.
Probably that was the rest.
Well, it's probably like a ton of technique that will go along with that as well.
Like fuck house.
I mean, it has to be sharp, but don't you have to know how to like.
Yeah, how's the dragon she misses?
Yeah.
I feel like you got to do a beheading star with her down on their hands and knees.
You can have that like downward force chopping up across somebody like that.
I don't see it.
And I don't see it either.
I had a lot of issues with it.
Yeah.
I think she's strong enough.
The shot is iconic.
Yeah.
Great shot.
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Andrew Voorhees on the Ravens.
Yeah, London.
The vein late in the word, did this move need more black people?
No, I'll get to my flex later on.
You want to save that one for later?
Yeah, we can save it later on for the flex.
CR as a flex, what do you got?
I got Clarence Worley should have died
at the end award for Alice,
because that would have been the sickest ending ever
if Big J goes on out of the lake, holds her under.
It was just nobody left.
Yeah, but obviously the problem then is like the cops are there
so they see it and then it's like, okay, so like we now know
Jason's here and we, because the whole point is that Jason
is this myth that nobody believes.
And but that would have been so help me help me out.
So what is so does that happen in the cops don't see it?
No, it doesn't happen.
It doesn't have what he's out there.
And that's just in her imagination.
Yes, it doesn't happen.
No, we can't happen because he's dead.
Well, the mom, well, actually the mom feels like he's dead,
but he's not dead.
He couldn't have been dead.
Her whole impetus for doing all this is that he died.
So even though the second one comes out in 81,
it's set in 84.
And the future movies isn't Jason alive or not?
Yes, but like is killed multiple times and then it becomes a
supernatural specter.
Yeah, it's just the kill as the same double ending at the end
with Michael Cain's character comes back and Nancy Alan's character
realizes it was a dream and she's in the hospital.
We should talk about this.
So at one point Michael Myers becomes supernatural as well,
right?
Or no, he's just like, I think it by four and then the cult gets
involved.
Supernatural.
Both of these, which do you guys prefer?
Do you prefer before or after they become demons?
I like when it's when it's like chainsaw where I could really buy
into this person.
He's just a guy who believes in property lines.
Yeah, right.
Because he wants he wants to invite you into his house.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nobody ever wakes up from a dream and they're like, oh man,
I just dream Roman Anthony's hand was healthy.
So it's Jason pulled me in a lake.
All right.
I know.
I haven't had a good dream since I turned like 21.
Yeah, do you have dreams?
A dream in saying, but you've good dreams ever sometimes.
I'm not going to bump you guys out, but like, I don't know.
But what?
After my dad died, he was always, he would always come to me.
Oh, that's great.
Interesting.
That's wonderful.
Yeah, stuff like that.
Yeah.
Really?
Like, all my dad was a bouncer at a club once.
My dad was riding horses with me.
I was lost at Duke University and I wandered into a soul food
restaurant.
But I didn't know if I could eat the soul food.
We knew it was a dream because it was your Duke.
You're a soul food restaurant.
Right.
But a little bit more.
My dad is like, no, you can eat from here.
And I sit down and have a meal with him.
It just happened a bunch of different ways.
I wish I had better dreams.
I don't really remember them.
I just got my concert or stress and anxiety.
A lot of them really.
I have a lot of those dreams too.
I think I've got three pods.
She's done enough time to do these.
Three pods that they're all at the same time.
What am I going to do?
I think I have had the right sponsor.
It's a good feeling.
How is it?
We're doing a different movie than the one I've prepared for.
The high school medias.
I think like you sit down and it's like, OK, Tom, for another 48 hours, you're like,
this is not Beverly Hills.
I got a whole fucking sheet map.
TV.
Yeah.
Was there a better title for this movie?
It was originally called a long night at Camp Blood for the screenplay.
That's not bad.
Camp.
How about Camp Blood?
Camp Blood's great.
Camp Blood's good too.
I was going to do this as a hottest take, but I have a better one.
I think he should have called this Camp Blood.
And I think he should have kept Friday at 13th as a different gimmick for.
Interesting.
A different franchise.
But he's out of the picture after the first one.
Right.
Camp Blood 2, Camp Blood 3.
I think that could have been the same.
At the same time, though, the movies have more versatility moving on with the sequels.
Camp Blood takes Manhattan.
It's not as good, right?
Friday at 13th is like a.
No, he's saying there should be a Camp Blood series.
Oh, and then Friday at 13th is a lot of Jason's here.
I see.
Coming since butch his girlfriend award week link of the film.
I have what do you have?
I have this.
I got mad, man.
Ned.
Ned's good.
He's in my what's the age of worst.
Steve Christie is a piece of shit.
Steve Christie.
Steve who runs the camp.
He does.
He kind of like, he's getting so old.
He's immediately like, help me get this tree stump out of here.
Then he's like, I'm out.
Done.
Don't forget about it.
He hits on the help.
It's on Alice.
Yeah.
Shirtless.
It is just like you do great drawings.
And touches are head for some reason.
He's super creepy.
But that is like, I'm going to bounce.
You know, we got loaded in the in town for a while now.
He's at the diner.
And then he goes to the diner to like, so we're up a little bit.
So I drive home.
I don't say I think he might have been thinking about taking a run at the old waitress.
Something was happening.
She, but she came on to him though.
She was trying to see what was up.
She might have, might have given him a little dessert.
Yeah.
But at one time in life, what was your week link?
Is Ned?
Ned gets on my fucking nose.
We can talk about ways to where it's to Ned.
Like Ned was getting on my nose.
Ned's tough.
What's going on with Ned?
The guy wears the Native American headdress.
Oh, yeah.
He was going to be my flex for I was going to create a category called the Ned number 88 award
for the guy I can't wait to die.
Yeah.
I just thought of it.
I just forget.
I forget.
Like what did she do to him?
They just find it.
He's on top of the bed above.
That's not enough.
Yeah.
No, I like that.
I like what you think that that scene can't get any worse when he's wearing the headdress.
And then the cops like settle down.
That scene is so fucking we coach.
It's so weird that cop is completely different.
I thought that was coming back.
Also, every time a cop shows up in the first three movies, they immediately get called
away for some car accident somewhere else.
Yeah.
So they're like, oh, God, Josh.
We got to drop it like this situation.
But like Ned thinks he's Chevy chasing this movie.
Yeah.
What the fuck's going on?
Ned is so annoying.
So much of nothing in his business.
He's a Franklin from Texas.
He's also in his tiny whiteies for most of the movie, right?
Yeah.
Well, out of all the front 13th, the worst one is the guy from last American Virgin in
part four, the guy who's watching the old movies on the.
No, the guy who's watching the old movies on the movie projector and trying to get everybody
to watch the movies with them.
That guy sucks.
Talk about bad hang.
Get way to give it to him.
We'll do that.
My weak link.
I think the first girl who died Annie should have actually been the hero of the movie.
And I would have killed off Alice first.
And that Alice was a rough hang.
I didn't like her hair.
I just thought I had all the girls easily, not the most attractive one.
So she interesting.
She's really too because that actress who plays Alice, Adrian King, winds up getting like
a stalker after this.
Yeah, had this kind of like, I don't want to do too.
She's like, just get me out of two as fast as possible.
Arguably, there is a part in this series that she could have been the Lori Strode of Friday
the 13th.
They had Annie who's basically carrying out on 2.0 and they just get rid of her in the
first 10 minutes of the movie.
I don't know what they were thinking.
I mean, you look at her right now and every time I see the movie, the movie comes on,
I watch it once every two years.
We'll be honest with them like that.
Her teeth perfectly gigantic eyes.
That's like, you know, she gets it.
I'm with it.
Okay.
What's age to worst?
Knowing the reveal.
This is a TV if you're like, I know this is family.
Yeah, I know where this is going.
Steve hitting in the staff we mentioned.
Faking a drowning so a cute coworker can give you math to math.
I'm sorry.
I'm very 70s 80s.
I don't know if that's fine in 26.
Settle down Tonto.
And then they had so little money that they didn't have enough light and that's why this
movie is so dark.
Yeah.
I probably also like they, I always feel like if they could reduce some of the kills in
this movie with a little bit more money, it would have popped more.
Now you, you like to do it when he's doing it.
Exactly.
I've also decided to redo for it.
I've added some Friday the 13th kills and yeah, the big one.
It's in my what's age of the worst is the Brenda kill when she's like wandered out.
She's my favorite.
We didn't even see it.
And when she wanders out into the archery range.
Yeah.
Oh my god, they're going to shoot arrows at Brenda.
And it just lights her on and then it's like, Oh, I think Brenda's out there and then
she's dead.
Every time I watch this movie, I think something got edited, but maybe they just didn't
have the money to do the Brenda.
I think they were having a lot of problems too because the one Marcy gets hit with the
axe, but I think they were having a lot of problems with like we can either show the
after math of a kill, but we can't show both the kill and the after math.
It's just too much money and the special effects would you have for what's age of the
worst?
Yeah.
So obviously Ned, the killing of the snake now we find a like a way to like a six minute
scene.
I know.
They're all like, what are we doing?
Let's wrap this up.
We get the fucking thing, but while we catch the snake and let the snake go, by the way,
that's also what say is the worst because they actually killed the snake today for the
movie for the movie.
Oh, that's that's age.
Live snake Adrian King said in the book Crystal Lake Memories that the owner of the snake
was standing off on the side tears running down his cheeks.
No shit.
That's fucking terrible.
Didn't have Peter.
They didn't tell the snake owner that they were going to do that.
No.
Oh my God.
The Bogart impression I had, age pretty badly, but something else like this movie is a
horror movie.
Don't have no big ass titties.
Now this is still the 70s, but you know, it's a nipple movie.
But later on in the decade, yeah, every horror movie was I was watching as a kid.
They will give you some just big ass cleavage.
Yeah, because the 80s become an era of the big ass titties.
70s, Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Cold War, Big Boobs.
Yeah, yeah.
So later on, you get deeper into these movies when you get the gratuitous newsy, big
ass titties.
It'd be funny if Sarah's like, you know, I'm more of a nipple.
It's a nipples guy.
No, this movie is a different people take turns with the nipples in this movie.
It works.
Don't get me wrong, but later on, the headlights are on.
Right.
Kevin Bacon though kind of got his hands all over the place in this movie.
She did.
You don't see that often.
Yeah, I don't think there was an inter-missi-quart near.
That was a very long shot of his hands on her boots.
Yeah.
You mentioned the stalker thing.
She basically stopped acting.
Yeah.
And it was before they was a few years before the My Sister Sam case where they changed all
the celebrity stalking rules and added rules.
But this girl, Adrian King was living in fear for like a year and a half.
I was like showing up at her apartment and putting polar bears in her room.
Also, you know if somebody is from Friday the 13th, that guy's like, yeah, really.
Yeah.
All right.
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The Ruffalo Hannah Rubeneck, Partridge overacting word.
But I could also give you the John Rambo underacting word.
Which way do you want to go?
Why?
I think his John Rambo's here.
You have an idea.
I have Adrian King as the underacting award.
She's just not freaked out enough.
First of all, you find all the people you're in the camp with, they're all dead.
I don't think she's nearly horrified and I animated it.
And then this lady comes who clearly is the killer.
And even she just like is problem solving in a way that I don't think is realistic.
I think low energy.
Mercy and Brenda and Annie were more interesting final girls.
And yes, I do think that Adrian King seems to be.
Yeah, if you were like not sure, tell me three things about Alice.
I'd be like, the one thing I do remember, talk by a lady, but it's like, you know,
the moron is like off the charts.
Like, no, no, no, for Alice.
Oh, my friends are dead.
Who are you talking to?
Like, as she's talking to Jason's mom, it's like, no, no, no, it's okay.
No, no, no, it's not okay.
It's not okay.
I have discovered the bodies.
No, I have not think my friends are dead.
Either we're going to get help or get the fuck out of my face with your cable and
it's sweater.
They're gone.
How about she gets in the car, but then get scared because the dead girls and the drivers
in the pastor's seat.
I'm still driving away.
I'll just push that body out.
I'm getting the fuck out.
Or you'll drive.
She's like, I can't use this car.
There's a dead body.
It's like, you're going to be the next dead body, dumbass.
Yeah.
Tell me.
The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford.
How does take a word?
What do you have, Van?
So they call weed grass in this movie.
And something occurred to me.
Society was like in a much better state when they called weed grass.
Like when weed was called grass, and it was cheaper and was cheaper.
It was like cooler body.
Yeah, to know a guy, reefer, not good, crazy grass, harmless.
Grass, harmless.
What about pot?
I don't like pot as much, right?
Pot, dirty, but think about it.
The group of whites you want to be around is the ones that's going to pull something
out like, hey, man, you smoke a little grass.
Right.
This is mostly a regano, but yeah, yeah, whatever.
It's like, but like they just seem cool.
It seems like a regano twigs and vague.
You know, a movie they smoked grass in.
Big chill.
They smoked grass in a big chill.
Decent group of white people.
Days, days and fused.
That is the number one movie of grass that you would smoke with white people.
And it seems like it's a cool time.
They got like one brother in that.
I'm going to talk more about this later.
It seemed like he was in decent hands.
They smoking grass.
What do you have?
If we're just talking about improvement over the original and expansion of like the mythology
and a greater idea, the leap from Friday one to Friday two makes Friday two the greatest
sequel of all time.
Ever.
Oh, over aliens too and Godfather too.
Aliens too.
Godfather too and Empire strike back do not double up their original movies in terms
of like quality.
Friday two is like leaps and bounds.
The kids are way more charming.
The final girl is great.
Awesome.
Yeah.
I like her.
I should have thought it.
The kills are incredible.
Jason is terrifying.
The whole fucking thing with Jason's mom.
Mom's head there.
It's so much better than one to me.
But I think in that term of like improvement over original is the best sequel ever made.
So you're saying the war of 13th one versus two.
The war is just advance matrix for so much better.
Because most movies that we talk about as being phenomenal sequels, they have so much
phenomenal source material.
They're just like super derivative.
It might be a little bit better than a new hope or a little bit better than Godfather
one.
That was pretty good.
This is the hottest take.
So I'm going to go hot.
You know, moms get a lot of love.
We'll talk about the moms, the ones that thank 90% of the time.
Sometimes you need dads too.
This movie needed a dad.
Jason's mom at some point, if a dad is in there, because I think Jason's dad probably
took off.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
This is where it's like, yo, we're going to leave New Jersey.
Like this whole thing, I love my son too.
This was terrible.
We got to get the fuck out of here.
Every time they try to reopen this camp, you lose your mind.
We're going to move to Arizona.
Let's get out.
This is driving you crazy.
This is all I could have stopped.
So this is interesting.
So I love this take.
I knew it.
I did it just for you.
I love it.
I love this tape.
But I'm saying there's also something that you're missing.
Yeah.
There's a version of that where dad is the first victim.
I tried to talk to my husband about how much is better.
Did she say that?
No, no, no, no.
I'm just saying there's a version of this where she goes, no one would listen, not even
his father.
And then see this is why I'm going to ask you.
That's good.
She Betsy Palmer said that she basically built a backstory in her head for, yeah, that
is what you said.
Jason Senior wanted us to move away.
She was a single mother.
And I had to change his mind.
Yeah.
I had to correct him.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cassie Winfrey.
You said the Sally Field thing already.
They realized they couldn't afford her.
She also would have been 32 at the time, which is a big deal.
But the style Parsons.
I don't know how that is.
Shelly Winters turned it down.
Palmer agreed because she needed a new car.
It was paid $1,000 a day for 10 days.
Thought it was a piece of shit.
Had no idea it was going to be a major movie.
And then Sean Cunningham, the director producer, was going to have his son play young Jason
to get his son in the movie and the wife feed her that.
Yeah.
The people who live as an actor.
The fuck is your killer?
Would you have for a flex, man?
So my flex is the top five lists of movies that didn't need black people.
Like no black people in this movie.
I'm happy that they weren't any.
I say, is it a zero?
What?
We had zero black people in this movie.
I think it's zero black people.
Zero black people.
This should be a website.
There's even there's a black guy in Texas, right?
He goes running down the other side of the road.
If this was a website, would you go to it and check it out like I am DB?
Of course.
And when I say no black people, I mean, I'm not talking about like, you know, somebody
shows up as all hosts in one scene in the movie.
I'm sorry, even even like in the diner just eating with the lines.
Black stat news.
Yeah.
Black stat news.
Black stat news is being credible.
Awesome, right?
Well, also be like zero, zero black people versus 79 total characters.
Yeah.
What's the ratio?
What was the making the most of out of their lines?
This would have a lot because there's like 70 people in this movie.
Oh, there were 70 people in what movie?
In front of 13?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
So these are the movies.
Number five, Friday at 13th, you all in the woods with white people.
Everybody getting killed.
I'm glad my people didn't have to go through that.
All right.
Number four, the big chill.
Glad.
Really?
There's no way that you could be in that friend group of people from the big chill and not
be a token.
No way.
Okay.
Like they all singing most Motown.
We want to have a taste in the song.
They would have been like great fan.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sixies were tough.
We want to defend the black panthers.
That's how we met Huey here.
You know, I can't you can't fucking do it.
You can't do that.
Number three, Greece.
News flash.
That movie is about fucking gang violence.
Okay.
If you put black people in that, that movie is going to the front page of Fox News.
A musical comedy about gang violence.
Yeah.
That's not happening.
Number two.
I don't know if there are any black people in Greece.
It doesn't feel like it.
I haven't watched it in a while, but I think I would have remembered that.
Black stat music is still tabulated.
Still, yeah.
Yeah.
Number two, Goodwill Hunting.
Obvious.
That's right.
All right.
It's obvious.
They're like, you know, okay.
Takes place in Boston, genius, janitor, hard goal.
I don't know if there are any black people in Goodwill Huntington.
I think we need to fight black Boston movies for all these.
I could have done the town.
I don't think there's any black but I actually heard it.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no.
The part of anti-managing.
That's right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Number one is easy.
Jackass.
My brother.
What are you doing, stapling your penis to your thigh for these white boys?
We don't need that.
Right.
We don't need any of the stunts that you got to do.
What I'm doing right here is enough.
Okay.
So Steve O is black.
You would have been upset.
We're not going.
We're not accepting that.
We're not accepting none of the stunts, none of the shit that's going on that's going
down with that.
Don't need any.
We can enjoy all of these movies.
These are some of my favorite movies.
Love the big chill.
Yeah.
Love Goodwill Hunting.
As much as I don't want to.
Like love Jackass.
hilarious.
I don't need to see it all the time up there.
I don't need to see us in the woods.
Representation doesn't matter.
It matters.
But not in Jackass.
Yeah.
We don't need that there.
That was a really good list.
Thank you very much.
Anthony Anderson saved the departed from a, from a white out.
Yeah.
They make the joke in the movie.
Yes.
You're a black guy in Boston.
You already totally fucked.
And you have to end of the movie.
Doesn't he get done?
He gets known.
Yeah.
Ant.
Yeah.
He comes in at the end.
Boy, I tell you what.
Like, am I going to know clear out?
Need it?
I sit in the theater watching all of that.
I might so left my body.
That last scene of the departed.
You just fucking.
I just watched it with Ben Simmons a month ago.
And he's never seen it.
No ending Leo getting shot is still one of the all time.
I can't believe that happens.
Jane Batch deal.
Nicholson gets worse with every viewing.
What I say to leave the body in the mosh.
You leave the body in the mosh.
Accidentally.
Just I don't know what accent he has in that.
He's dialing it up though.
I kind of like the performance.
He's awesome in that.
Yeah.
Hans Gruber scale villain ranking for Jason's bomb.
Like a three and a half.
Yeah, because I feel like she's only really wilding out
for the last 10 minutes of the movie.
And I think that her frail frame kind of pushes the limits
of like what she could really do to all these teenagers.
Yeah.
It's a little deniro Irishman energy.
That's my biggest nitpick.
We'll get to that.
Do you think you could throw a body
through a window right now?
Depending on the size of the body, yeah.
Okay.
And Cacrek could do it.
That's right.
I don't know.
That girl is probably like 130 pounds.
I think it's the big difference between like could I do it
versus like if someone was fighting me, could I do it?
Yeah.
It's a window like that where there's you have to get the body
up and over.
Yeah.
The thing is that I did wait as like the tourist league,
especially for like a 70 year old woman.
Right.
Yeah.
She's been in the game.
No offense, but she's probably like not doing a lot of stuff.
She's been the damn waiters of word for you.
She's the only movie for 10 minutes.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
That's an easy one.
Yeah.
Her or Ralph.
Young Jason?
I mean, it's a great answer.
I can see.
I'm not and thought about it.
I think Jason's moments.
Recasting couch director city.
Obviously Tom Hanks is Ned.
He's just could he's supposed to buddy like being funny Tom Hanks.
Yeah.
Movies 100 times better.
Young Sharon Stone is Alice.
Ooh.
Her first movie.
They're doing all like unknowns.
Let's get Sharon Stone in there.
Not bad.
I'm into it.
Kathleen Turner.
Probably a little bit beneath her.
Two-saltry.
Yeah.
I think you can do it.
Just the mom.
Also, I think if Kathleen Turner in 1980 showed up at your summer camp, there would be like
guys who'd be committing a sepaku in front of her.
They were just like, I don't know what to do.
Well, I've never seen any of these beautiful ones.
Was that the least surprising revelation of all time, Michael Douglas' autobiography that
him and Kathleen Turner had to fare on romance in this town?
Of course.
But didn't we all know that?
Right.
But we think they didn't fuck on the set.
In chemistry movies, that movie has sort of been lost to time.
And so far as like what a big deal it was when it came out.
I love that movie.
I love that movie.
It's a big fucking deal, right?
Yeah.
But when you go back and watch that, their chemistry is on some Han Solo Princess Laya type
shit.
I don't think anyone ever had better chemistry with more great looking actress than him.
He's like seven, eight different movies where it seems like are they fucking during this
movie?
What's going on here?
Craig, you have a flex.
Mallory Rubin Award for Did This Movie Need A Better Sex Scene.
I think they really misplaced the sex in this movie.
I feel like if angry killer Christian mom is upset that the camp councils are having sex,
that the climax of this movie should be a climax.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like it should have built up to a sex scene between Kevin Bacon and the girl or whatever.
And she infiltrates that.
I thought it was weird that like she was like, you know, the boy drowned while they
were having sex.
And then the sex scene is like a part of the movie, but it's like the second death.
I thought it should have all built up.
It's also not like she doesn't kill people who aren't having sex.
Yes.
So it's like it doesn't she has no compunction about doing that.
So why make that the central preoccupation?
Yeah.
You got to make that the final moment of the movie.
It should have been a big sex scene kill scene.
Strip monopoly.
More should have happened.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I agree.
Steven Scott's shooting on himself for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot.
Lou Reed had a house next to the camp and they went to his farm and he played music for
them.
He played a free show for the cast.
And hung out like and just chill with them.
Lou Reed.
And he's still pretty famous at that point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
And he didn't know who they were.
They would just shoot them.
It was just like a bunch of people shooting a movie next door.
Oh, wow.
It's awesome.
Half-hour center of research.
The screenwriter Miller, he thought he thought it would be fun to turn motherhood on his head
with a female killer.
Very upset that Jason was turned into the killer in the later movie.
Yes.
Said Jason was dead from the very beginning.
He was a victim, not a villain.
Settle down, Victor Miller.
Yeah, get out of the way.
Yeah, you're just right in a Halloween rip off over.
You didn't just read Boogie Knights.
Right, 13th shot in Warren County, New Jersey.
Camp scene shot at a working Boy Scout camp called Camp Nobby Bo Scope.
There you go.
There were rehearsing.
Palmer slapped King in the face during the rehearsal.
Yeah.
And the lady who played out was started crying and was upset that she got hit.
And then it's a lot of fun.
Let her get that and teach Betsy Palmer how to fake hitting somebody.
Victor Harry Crosby.
I got fake blood in his eye from having the arrow in his eye and briefly lost his sight.
Being Crosby's kid, too.
Yeah, it is.
But I'm so weird.
I saw that.
Did that in the research.
Briefly lost his sight.
And Kevin Bacon apparently claims that he gets asked to sign screenshots from his
death scene in this movie more than all his other movies.
That's right.
I have a half ass internet research that I found out as we were doing this podcast.
Bobby Morgan who played the girl at the beginning.
What's her name again?
She's married to Mark Wahlberg.
The Mark Wahlberg that is the host of Temptation Island.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
Wow.
Yeah, she's married.
She's been married to Mark Lewis Wahlberg.
Mark L. Wahlberg.
Mark L. Wahlberg, Temptation Island dude and Teeke's Roadshow guy.
All of these different since 1987.
They've been married.
It's early on him.
Temptation Island still cranking it out.
I haven't heard about it in a while.
It is.
It seems like love Island marking corrected it.
Temptation Island still exists.
Okay.
No matter, matter of the same cup of suits.
Okay.
Then could you have hosted one of those shows?
I would love to.
I would love to.
I'm not going to.
Where are you going and be like Chris?
It seems like you and Phoebe are having some issues.
Yeah.
The rest of the eight, the rest of the cast, the new bond show is inter-divilla.
Let's see how this twerk contest ends up.
That's what this shit is about.
They shake an ass and trying to like entice you.
I watched it one time.
I'm like, what is this y'all be looking at?
This is like.
I had some Boston friends who were upset about the love is blind being in Boston, but not
actually using real Boston people.
So only like a couple of people that are actual Boston people.
I think gotten to the to the like out in Boston's episodes yet.
Or is it still in the next season?
Well, they can't do love is blind in Boston.
They're doing it in Boston, but I think there's a bunch of.
Well, they can't use Boston people because if they end up with an interracial
cult, then you have lives and streets.
You have people right into the ass like they can't do it.
What was that thinking?
I should know by now.
I should know at this point.
Yeah.
Let's get a half.
This thing is blind in Boston.
Damn it.
We can't be blind, right?
They can't do it.
Hey, Peck's Mountain, Adrian King definitely.
1980 drowning movies.
Is there another one?
Ordinary people.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Big drowning year.
Big drowning year.
Jason, no, Kevin Bacon, no.
Summer campsite movies.
I think probably me balls.
Me balls.
Halloween ripoff movies this, definitely.
The Blair's Town diner seemed great.
Sure.
When I get some hash there.
Stripped an athlete.
Stripped an athlete for sure.
I've never seen it again.
I'm the outing zone.
But not please too long.
You can't play stripped an athlete.
Stuff.
It takes like four fucking hours.
Put an up.
I'm the fuck best of an athlete, man.
I would love to play.
Rip your ass.
So I'm telling you, we can play the new Sikamore.
We can't play, bro.
I'm going to be real with you.
I think if you ask around my friend group and you in Geno Ryan, Ryan, Tray, all we had
a monopoly phase and it like threatened the friendships.
I was going.
That's very pretty.
You're saying, Lord, I'm going crazy.
I'm going crazy.
All of my politics go out the window when I'm playing a monopoly.
Oh, interesting.
Yeah.
Classically right away.
Cruiser, Hanks.
Oh, oh, no, an apex mountain.
One more dumpster.
Yeah.
I think it's the dumbest kids that's ever lived in a horror movie.
Are these the dumbest ones?
I mean, I can make arguments for everyone else.
Halloween.
You going out is Halloween.
I have to do some, I don't think the Halloween kids are dumb.
I don't think they're dumb.
They didn't see a comment.
They didn't see a comment.
Because I think sleep way camp and like, there's a couple like really.
These kids are morons, bro.
Like they are super scared enough from day one.
Yeah, like, ridiculous.
Hey, I'm going to go check it out.
Hey, I want to come with.
What the fuck you checking it out for?
Yeah.
Like, you do that.
So we're the generator went out.
Yeah.
Although lights are on at the archery range.
What the fuck is anybody going to go get help?
Where did Jack and Brenda go?
Yeah.
These motherfuckers are truly, truly embassals.
Cruiserhanks, hanks.
Hanks.
Picky Knits.
So this movie makes it seem like more shit was going down at this campsite.
Two murders, fires being set.
Mom's never a suspect here.
This is my big thing is where, where is Pam in the intervening dead years
while the camp is dormant?
And then nobody in town is like, isn't it weird that like Pam always tweaks out
when they try to open the camp?
And then there's like a string of deaths that are pretty gruesome.
And then Pam just goes back to work at like the CVS.
OK.
How many kids have to get killed at the camp for them to go?
No more.
How many kids did get killed?
Do we actually know?
Because it seemed like there were fires and then everybody stayed away in.
259 when she gets in the first time.
Yeah.
And then they try to burn it down, right?
Yeah.
And then she comes back in 80 when they try to reopen it.
And then so, but I understand maybe that's not the same sheriff or whatever.
But it's like, it is a, there is a consistent figure.
So we're at the Blair's town diner with crazy Ralph, someone table.
Pam.
You know they're dragging Pam.
And then he comes eating eggs.
Somebody's like, I heard somebody might be open in the new camp.
She's like slamming her plate down.
You fucking kidding me?
I mean, crazy Ralph probably not as crazy as she.
Why wasn't she crazy Pam?
Yeah.
The biggest picking it is this mom of where he's athletic enough to pull off
anything in this movie because she's a terrible fighter.
Right.
I mean, I have it written.
I mean, he's like, I, I, she own peptides.
I mean, she's going crazy, but she does get this is the problem is that the fight between
Alice and Pam is so bad that you're like, how did Alice pull off any of what she did?
It's definitely one of those fights where in the research there was not a fight choreographer.
No.
They were like, just do this.
And then you do this.
It's like kicking at each other.
And then like she shoves Pam once and she like topples over three times.
Yeah.
My last one, Jason wasn't a good swimmer.
So Pam tells us.
So why the fuck was he swimming at night in the God damn open lake this summer camp?
Yeah.
Why is he out there?
Is he doing because you know what the real deal is, right?
It's her fucking fault.
Yeah, teach the kid out of swim.
It's her fucking.
You're a campsite with a lake.
Your kid does know how to swim.
Control your tele counselors.
Yeah.
Control like Jesus.
Fucking.
Any other Netflix?
No.
Man.
No, that's it.
Sequel, prequel, streamer, all black cast.
It's been off remake.
Untouchable.
They've literally done all of it except for all black cast.
And there's a prequel coming with Linda Carlin.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What's that one about?
I think it's about the inter-
It's about James death through up to one.
But no Jason worries.
I think Jason little kid Jason might be in the beginning of it.
Pam, maybe we'll find out about Pam's marriage.
Yeah.
Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flores,
Zayn Low, Robert Evans?
That's gonna be funny.
Dr. Chuck Nichols, Ted LeBean.
What do you have here?
Dr. Chuck, being like, ladies and gentlemen,
my friend Pamela.
Doesn't feel well.
Obviously.
Go back to your dessert, your coffee.
I have one.
Oh.
I gotta get serious for one second.
Steve, Steve.
I gotta say something about my friend, Jason Voorhees.
This brother will not stop killing people.
This is clearly a sickness.
The man needs help.
Stephen A. And Jason Morris.
Do Stephen A.
Okay.
I'm a Stephen A.
Clipper.
He's been speaking very silently.
Oh, he does it all the time.
Is he doing that all the time?
Yeah, he does.
He does the he lowers the voice to be like, I'm getting really.
I'm a good one for you.
Yeah.
So Stephen A.
And Jason Voorhees are in a media beef.
Oh, okay.
And Stephen A.
Is threatening Jason Voorhees.
Yeah.
You don't want me to bring out the receipt, Jason Voorhees.
You want me to tell what I know.
You're going on up at Camp Crystal Lake.
You really want to talk about that.
Jason Voorhees.
Do we want to talk about bodies?
You want to talk about bodies?
Because I know where they're buried.
I talked to Crazy Ralph.
You know, like that is like going back.
You really want me to do that.
You want to talk about family.
Jason.
Then Voorhees goes on McAfee.
So he's like in the back of a toilet roll.
Right.
The Voorhees does the carwash.
She's like, get up.
He said, big day with Peter Trigger.
It's a bit of a doubtful.
Just one Oscar who gets it probably the score.
I give it to Tom Savini, the makeup guy,
because he's gone out to dad.
Like he worked with Romero.
He's a legendary makeup and special effects guy.
And then he's in from Dustel Dawn,
kind of a character actor.
Probably an answerable question.
I only, my only one is if you're to assume
that was in a dream at the end.
And Jason's alive.
But Kid Jason jumps out of the lake.
But it's 22 years after Kid Jason died.
Would Kid Jason become an adult?
What's the...
So Kid Jason gets killed.
Kid Jason comes out of the lake at the end.
And looks like a kid.
That's like a personal kid.
Like actually the guy who played him in the movie,
he like calls him.
He's in a band called First Jason.
And the director was gonna cast his son as young Jason.
So clearly they want the kid to be a teenager.
But it's 22 years after he drowned.
So you think the water is like keeping him in...
I just have some questions.
So it feeds toward this was a dream,
which means everything that happens from Part 2 on
is supernatural.
Or the guy's name, I want to shout him out.
Yeah, yeah.
First Jason, okay, go ahead, man.
But in Part 2, he's a grown adult.
Yeah, he's yoked up.
So it's possible she dreams.
It's bulking season for Jason.
He's a fucking jack.
Creating.
It's possible.
She dreamed that little kid pulled her into the...
Yes.
...like, but it was actually adult Jason.
Oh, so...
So in her head, it's a kid, but it's actually an adult.
Yeah, I think this is where the evil part of
Friday and Light's like in the same way that it happens
in Halloween.
Like there's like...
Right in the light.
Sorry, Friday the 13th.
I don't remember that season.
Yeah, that was fun.
Was that what Andrew killed the guy?
Yeah.
Well, this leads to the other part.
So kid Jason in Part 2...
is 35 years old.
Because it's 23 years later after he drowned as a teenager.
Yeah.
One of the great late bloomer athletes we've had.
Right?
It's like it sometimes has happened in boxing
where the guy will come in.
He's like 27.
He's a young 27.
Yeah.
That usually means he was jailed for like six years.
But do you think it's an ad而已 finding the right coordinator?
Jason?
Yeah, like, Donald.
Hard to...
It's a little Kurt Warner-ish.
Jason was playing the...
Jason was playing Arena football for years.
Right.
Waiting for his moment.
Remember Billy, you'd want most from this movie.
The welcome to Camp Crystal Lake Science.
Pretty nice.
Yeah, he's awesome.
Nice big fat one.
The monopoly board.
Strip monopoly.
You know what I want?
I want the machete.
Because the machete is franchise.
The competition machete.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like the machete is going to go on to becoming iconic.
Having that machete would be...
Coach Finstack, Mr. Miyagi,
we're best worth life lesson.
Maybe we don't reopen Camp Blood.
Yes.
Anything called Camp Blood?
Maybe not.
Yeah, also just like...
Nine and enough time spests.
Read the help reviews before you accept a job being a cook at a camp.
Yeah, listen to the people in a diner that tell you about the horrible history of a place
where children get killed routinely.
Double feature choice too.
Yes.
For sure.
I went Nightmare on Elm Street too, which is an underrated Nightmare on Elm Street.
Remember that one?
Yeah.
The one, the homoirotical one.
Two is a good...
It's a really good...
I mean, that would be a longer evening, but it's a really nice book end for this one.
Like, you just get the full Pamela to Jason transition.
One of the tougher who won the movies we've ever had.
Almost impossible.
I'm going to throw out Steve Minor, the director of Two and Three,
who is an associate producer on one...
And felon to two kids...
And why is it not only like the guy who sort of shepherds this into becoming a big franchise,
but also then parlay that into being a pretty...
For what if they're Collierwood director?
I really couldn't...
I think it's Jason.
Jason is an idea.
Yeah, it's like Jason.
But Jason, the idea is not even in this.
I mean, like Jason's mom maybe, like it was almost impossible.
The music, I don't know.
Ripping off Halloween.
Maybe it's the winner.
It's the movie.
Friday of 13th is the winner.
Okay.
It was the franchise.
Yeah.
The IP.
Craig, what do you got?
I want to show respect to this movie because I know movies like this paved the way.
But, you know, when you go back and you watch the Bob Pettit highlights...
It's not like you talk about Bob Kuzi, I was just about to say that.
Yeah, sometimes it doesn't hold back.
So you're saying Pamela was playing against plumbers and propagers?
I couldn't get that with this one.
It just...
I don't blame you.
I don't think any of the cast really popped either.
No one really stood out of this movie to me.
Like sometimes there's an actor or two, you're like, they're really bringing it.
I feel like no one really like elevated.
And I kill her mom.
Kill her mommy.
Just...
I felt so...
So the rug was pulled.
I was expecting Jason the whole time.
And then the final fight with the mom.
I'm like, uh...
Oh.
Do you feel like we'll continue?
I didn't think he was going to like it.
It's almost an impossible movie for someone from his generation.
Also, if you had the expectation of it's a Jason movie and then Jason's not actually in it.
We watched in like a 65-year-old woman fight.
And like this is the final moment.
But the final girl is probably one of the worst final girls.
Listen to that Craig over here.
Yeah.
I'm watching the view.
It's like, come off.
It's hard to come off of Texas Chainsaw.
Yeah.
And Sally.
Yeah.
And then go to...
I'm much enjoyed Bayhard Fight over here.
Who the fuck am I?
I'm not watching.
I will say that the final scene saves the movie to me.
Like I thought this movie was like, I'd give it like a four or five.
And then that scene at the end is genuinely great.
Yeah.
And bumps it up to points.
I wonder...
It's not Netflix.
I hope it's not the streaming thing where the movie's about to end.
And they give you like the 10 second countdown before they send it to the next thing.
No, they only...
I hope they wait for the credits to do that.
Yeah, I hope they wait till...
I hope they wait till...
When we continue to do landmark horror or do you want to do more modern stuff?
What are you thinking with the rest of October?
I don't know.
I haven't unlocked it.
This is nice because this is palatable stuff for me.
You know, it's not hereditary.
Well, it's also 87.
Yeah, we did midsummer next.
Craig would show up.
Although hereditary is much scarier than midsummer.
Yeah, it's a little bit more of like a horror horror.
Do you guys do...?
Here comes the telephone boom boom!
You guys do the...
Like the trash, more accessible horror.
So you'll never see like...
You'll never see Hellraiser on here.
Like Bill, you didn't watch those Hellraiser and Leprechaum or all of that dumbass shit.
I never...
Am I missing Hellraiser?
I never got into it.
I was scared to me.
It was like...
It was one of those ones.
At a certain point, it flirted with being a little bit more like relevant than it actually became.
It didn't stand a test of time, but like in the going to the movie to rent movies era, like Pinhead was one of those ones.
I think I'm...
I don't think those have had the revival.
I agree.
I mean, Friday probably because of its availability on like multiple streaming services.
I think it's just kind of lived on.
It's funny that this one did the best of all the Friday the 13th.
Yeah.
They get made the most money out of all of them.
Even when Jason came along.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Capitalizing off of Halloween, I guess momentum.
Yeah.
People were ready.
I'm going to go to this.
It's just a fever pitch.
Yeah.
Like you got to go see this movie.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
Being late, then.
Yeah.
Thank you.
No problem.
CR, Pleasure Zoys.
Craig, thank you.
Thanks to Eduardo and Gahau and everybody else at the ringer.
And we'll see you next week in the Relatrix.
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